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Mea Culpa 2: evaluating Defence and Special Teams predictions.


As those of you who frequented the Pulpit are likely aware, over the offseason I did a series of predictions about how the Pats will retool the roster. Given the dearth of news in this current zone of the year, I'll do a tentative evaluation of my predictions, bearing in mind that the roster is still in an amorphous, pre-cutdown state.

In my previous Mea Culpa article, I evaluated my predictions on Roster Makeup, Quarterbacks, Tight Ends, Wide Receivers, Running Backs and the O-line.

Unsurprisingly, then, this article is evaluating my predictions on: the Defensive Line; Linebackers; Defensive Backs; and Special Teamers.

My evaluations after the jump!

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Defensive Line

My defensive line analysis was unsurprisingly focused on Defensive Ends; the Defensive Tackle situation is pretty solid with Wilfork, Pryor and Brace locking up the NT slots.

From the Defensive Ends, I split them into two categories - the true 3-4 DEs of the block-eating, Richard Seymour type, and the nickel-type Defensive Ends that are pass-rushing penetrators.

After a tentative breakdown of the roster as it stood at the time, I made a stab at predicting the 'cure':

So, my overall DE roster prediction? I'm really torn on this one. I definitely see a gap at starting 3-4 RE, and it's definitely Seymour-sized. I really like Mike Wright as a player and rate him highly, but I'm not convinced he's ready to be a full-time RE. I just keep having awful visions of the 2009 Mike Wright turning into the 2009 Jarvis Green. He's best in his sub packages as a nickel DT/DE, with the added bonus of being able to fill in as 3-4 DE or NT at a pinch. But as a full-time 3-4 starter? Maybe not.

Belichick clearly agreed with me to at least some extent on this point, as he went out and attracted a 3-4 size DE.

I personally thought that Jared Odrick would be the front-runner, as he had the closest-to-ideal size and explosiveness to fill a Richard Seymour role. However, I had a caveat on that:

The final thing to bear in mind is that the (likely) 2011 draft stock of DE/DTs is surprisingly deep of guys around the 6'5" 300lbers ideal.  Of the college DEs, Cameron Heyward is 6’6" and 287lb with a sub-5 40 time; Christian Ballard is 6'5" and 285lb with a very quick 4.79 40; Cameron Jordan is 6'4" and 285lb and a 5.06 40 - all very big, very quick men who can surely add a few pounds to their big frames. From the college DT stocks there are also interesting options - Marvin Austin at 6'3" and 305lbs with a sub-5 40; Allen Bailey at 6'4" and 288lb running a speedy 4.79, UCLA's David Carter at 6'5" and 290lbs running 4.94. The 2011 draft class looks like it has a few guys who could make fine 3-4 DEs, so there's always the chance that Belichick installs a stop-gap one-year RE solution and chooses to draft a RE in 2011 instead of 2010.

It seems my last line was prophetic; Belichick went out on the free agent market and picked up 6'4, 330lber 1st round, 3rd pick free agent Gerard Warren. Warren's frame puts him solidly in the size/weight bracket of a 3-4 DE, meaning he'll compete or rotate with Wright in an ideal world. He will, however, have to pick up a foreign system in a very short time. He will also be a short-term loaner; he's 31 and obviously not getting any younger. Whether that's an indication that Belichick likes what he sees in the 2011 draft is speculation, but it really wouldn't surprise me given Belichick has two 2011 first-round draft picks to use.

Overall grade: B-. I missed on the Odrick pick, but I don't feel overly bad about it as he was picked up by the 'Phins. He was obviously enough of a Pats-style 3-4 DE to make Bill Parcells want him, so I suspect that Odrick would've fitted in well with the Pats. It was a case of CB being a greater need than DE, and for that I blame the fact that Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall were recent additions to the division. Having top-flight WRs to be guaranteed rivals for at least 4 games a season, every season, meant CB was the pressing need.

Linebackers:

My main point in this article was that the Pats need a specific type of Linebacker - versatile, 3-down guys who are equally adept in run-defence, pass-rushing and coverage. I took it to the logical extent - that it's better to have a so-so athlete with the requisite skillset than it is to have a pass-rushing freak only.

As I put it:

the opposition QB or Co-ordinator couldn't just look at the defensive package of 3-down linebackers and know what the defence was doing - any of those linebackers could be pass-rushing, dropping into coverage, sliding into the flat, anything. That allowed Belichick to dictate terms to the opposition, not the other way around - he controlled the misdirection and therefore the flow of the game without having to sub guys on and off to do it. If he needed a big play, he could risk it and call a blitz with his base package of players; if he wanted to keep bend-but-don't-break, the normal coverage will do.

My suggested resolution to this was

The solution? This suggests to me two things - whoever the Pats take have to have the physical abilities to do a little of everything. That means his OLBs should be as close to his 6'4", 250lb, 4.70 40 time as is possible, because if they're too small they aren't able to do all the things required of them. And if they can't do that, they're 2-down guys, and that means the Pats are back to where they started. They have to be physically capable of doing everything, or Manning or Brees will pick on them by exploiting their weaknesses

So what did the Pats do? They picked up OLB Jermaine Cunningham, who's pretty close to the size/weight/skillset prototype. He's decent in pass-rushing - 19.5 sacks and 11 QB pressures. He's also surprisingly good in pass coverage for an ex-college 4-3 DE - 7 passes deflected and an interception he took back 18 yards for a pick-6. And to top it all off, he's pretty useful in run-stopping, racking up 34 stops behind the line of scrimmage out of his 152 tackles (80 solo), totalling minus 126 yards. He's got the skillset necessary, unlike other highly touted prospects Sergio Kindle and Jerry Hughes. The only other guy who remained on the radar for a second round pick was Koa Misi, and he went to (unsurprisingly), the Parcells-influenced 'Phins.

Grade: B. Right type, wrong guy. I was leaning towards Koa Misi as he seemed the most rounded guy, and while Cunningham wasn't on my radar as he was only rated as a 3rd or 4th round talent pre-draft, he's one of the few guys who has the right mix of talents. Misi is a superior athlete on paper, so it was natural he went off the boards before Cunningham. However, those two were the only clear choices who had the requisite skillsets, especially with dubious pass-rush-first (only?) players Sergio Kindle and Ricky Sapp seemingly having value-killing injury issues on top of dubious skillsets.

Secondary:

Two things - I overestimated Springs, and I wrote the article before (although published it after, d'oh!) both Brandon Marshall and Santonio Holmes entered the division. I advocated for the status quo, suggesting that Springs and the wonder twins would be decent enough as slot/depth guys to cover the Pats for this year. I didn't foresee Springs being cut (although SlotMachinePlayer picked up on the possibility in the comments when he noted that Springs was being fingered as a bad locker-room influence). If I had seen him being cut, I would've suspected the Pats would use the draft to get a replacement; similarly, if I'd known Marshall and Holmes were coming the AFC East, I'd have bumped that CB draft pick into the first- or second-round area.

Grade: C+. Could've, should've, would've. I did note the kind of CB the Pats like - bigger, strong tackler, good run defender, doesn't jump routes - and McCourty fits the bill. But I still didn't envision the Pats drafting one, let alone a first-rounder at the time I wrote the piece. If someone had told me that Holmes and Marshall were coming, I suspect I'd have been higher on the idea, but I didn't pick it even though Richard Hill thought they may well go CB. Oh well.

Special Teams:

If I missed on the previous three, I nailed it on special teams. My thoughts on the outset were:

It's no surprise, then, that [Belichick] spends time, effort and draft picks in an effort to upgrade and maintain the special teams unit at most opportunities.

And boy, did he this year.

When I was discussing coverage guys, I noted that:

Arrington has definitely earned his stripes, so I'd not only expect him to be on the roster at the end of training camp, but also to be a core special teamer. He's dynamic and a game-changer, and very quick to boot. In fact, between his speed and Slater's, I have a feeling that may be why Hoodie has given punter Hanson the boot - while Belichick favours hang-time over depth in his punters up until now, he currently has two potentially game-changing gunners and may want a deeper-booted punter to give them an opportunity to make plays.

Buried in there is two ideas: that Belichick would want a big, booming puner, and alongside his new punter he'd want top-notch, game-changing gunners. He got one of both.

Firstly, he found a way to bookend Arrington with an even better coverage guy - first round draft pick Devin McCourty. McCourty racked up three blocked kicks and a blocked punt in college, as well as a 98-yard return (a school record). He is also a very good tackler and very quick (a 4.48 40), meaning he's an ideal coverage-unit guy too. He's hefty enough to play in all coverage units, at 5'11" and 193lbs. He's a born contributor.

Secondly, he upgraded and created competition in the Punter slot.

Given the sudden upgrade at gunner, I'd expect serious competition in the punter position. The Pats recently signed Australian Aussie Rules player David King; he's likely to have a good punt on him and decent fundamentals, but is otherwise an outside chance given his lack of depth in the American Football game. I'd fully expect the Pats to bring in a draftee or Undrafted Free Agent to compete for the spot; before the Pats signed King, they were seriously scouting rookie punters. Given they've usually had punting competition in training camp, expect more of the same.

One of those guys they brought in? Pats draftee Zoltan Mesco. And there is a serious competition going on for that roster slot, one which Mesco appears to be the frontrunner. A big, booming punter indeed.

Long Snapper:

It's not so much the starter that's interesting - Jake Ingram is a fixture - but the backup spot that's of note. Rob Ninkovich was the backup last year (as well as being OLB), and this year he's competing for that slot with backup RT Welch. As I noted:

If it comes down to keeping Ninkovich or replacing him with someone similar, the fact Ninkovich can fill in at a specialist position may well mean his roster spot is safe.

So whether Welch or Ninkovich is the better LS backup may well influence which one is cut when filling out the total roster.

Returner
I suggested there was an open slot in the kick and punt returner ranks given the injury to Welker;

The Pats, if they address CB, S, WR or HB, may well specifically target a guy who can return kicks, solely because of the somewhat thin lineup at the moment... I'd be highly surprised if the Pats didn't get a punt-returning [player] in the upcoming draft.

The Pats have filled that ably with McCourty and with the return to health of Brandon Tate.

Grade? A-. I got both the likelihood that the Pats will draft a punter, importance of the gunners given a new booming punter, and likelihood of taking a KR/PR guy. I also predicted the competition between Ninkovich and Welch for LS duties. Booyah.

Thoughts? Complaints?

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C
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D
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Well done, CS.

I remember very specifically thinking to myself after Miami selected Odrick and then again after the Misi pick: Added bonus—this is undoubtedly a guy that both New England and New York were targeting in this draft.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 9, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

And maybe the Bills, too

Although selecting Misi and/or Odrick might be too… sane… for the Bills. I mean, drafting guys for a 3-4 after instituting it recently? Blasphemy! They need running backs (despite having two good ones).

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 9, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly had no idea (I don't think anyone did) what direction the Bills' draft was headed.

Quarterback? Left tackle? Outside linebacker? Nose tackle? The possibilities appeared endless. I actually like Spiller a lot, but I don’t know how long he’ll hold up behind that patchwork line.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 9, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Bills emulated the Raiders.

They did NOT have a good draft.

And here I am, saying that with, oh, about several months to go to the Super Bowl.

For all I know, CJ Spiller could be the next Eric Dickerson. “Could be” being the key phrase…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 9, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good player. Wrong team.

It’s not like they’ve got bad RBs as it is. Lynch is fine when motivated, Fred Jackson’s a good back. Spiller’s now a third pretty-good option at RB on a team with no QB, an O-line that looks like the ‘after’ pictures of a pinata-party, and zero playmakers on any unit. The best they can really hope for is that he gives a couple of return TDs; otherwise, he’s just another good RB running behind zero O-line and zero QB passing-threat.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 9, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, for Spiller's sake I hope they get it somewhat sorted out.

But not too sorted out—I wouldn’t want the Bills getting too competitive or anything. But, I hate to see that kind of talent wasted in an arctic wasteland.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 9, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Bills' super secret plan is to line up with CJ Spiller at QB.

I think the run ratio might be close to 95, 97%. In that case, the Dolphins should trade for Lee Evans…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could be the new Ted Ginn.

I’d name him Fred Ginn.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he smokes the Jets again, call him whatever you like...

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know that was 100% luck, right?

Ask any Jet fan. I’m beginning to believe they let Teddy run those kicks back just to make their AFC title game run more improbable.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't any good performance or win against the Jets complete luck, though?

According to Jets fans, it is. And luck/fate/conspiracy/the fault of the league/referees/various deities.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I heard they were guilty of a holding call once.

I think it was back in ’95.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

well jets fans actually think

they werent handed 2 easy wins the last 2 weeks of the year . goodell actually changed this years schedule to try and stop crap like that.

by brady12mvp3 on Jun 10, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who, CJ Spiller?

Oddly enough, he was drafted 9th overall. O_o

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the Draft Slot of Death.

(don’t go to Wikipedia and prove me wrong, or anything like that)

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just asked for it...

So, in draft order, here are the 9th overall picks…
2010 CJ Spiller, Buffalo (a LOLWUT pick to Patriots fans, a What? selection to Bills fans)
2009 BJ Raji, Green Bay (but the jury’s out on him at this stage given his lack of playing time last year)
2008 Keith Rivers, Cincinnati (solid player, just has injury issues)
2007 Ted Ginn Jr., Dolphins (enough said)
2006 Ernie Sims, Lions (He’s been liberated since, but is a solid player)
2005 Carlos Rogers, Redskins (actually a decent CB, just don’t ask him to grab INTs…)
2004 Reggie Williams, Jaguars. Jags need to STOP drafting WRs with their first round picks…
2003 Kevin Williams, Vikings (solid DT, sort of a What? pick)
2002 John Henderson, Jaguars
2001 Koren Robinson, Seahawks (who, when NOT in trouble with the law, can be a decent receiver)
2000 Brian Urlacher, Bears (enough said also)
1999 Chris Claiborne, Lions (highly touted, didn’t live up to it)

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

JJ Watt

Why didn’t he make the list of DEs OR DTs?

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 9, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Would that be a 2011 draftee prospect?

I literally only did a quick scan and noted down all the 6’5"+ 300+lbers who were in the top of the list of 2011 draft prospects.

There were so many that I didn’t really need to go below the 10th rated prospect at either DE or DT. He might be projected as high as a second- or third-rounder, and I wouldn’t have scouted him. What that really suggests is the 2011 draft pool is really deep at 3-4 size DT and DE. Deep enough that his name didn’t crop up in the top 100 prospects in either DT or DE, and when I searched for him specifically, he came unranked. He’s got the size, so a successful 2010 season might put him on the radar. At the moment, though, he’s way down the rankings.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's weird.

Maybe not, though. I think he’s a junior this year and in order to be a 2011 draftee prospect he would have to leave early. Gulp.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

The small scouting thing I saw suggested he was only a backup last year

And being a college backup doesn’t usually get you top-10 in position draft status. That’s all I needed to look at to get a list of 6’5", 300lbers (unlike this year, where it was only Odrick, Suh and McCoy in the top 50 or so).

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to wonder where you looked.

Watt started at DE all year for Wisconsin. Just ask Ninja for details, he has some fond memories of OSU’s o-line getting ripped apart.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he's good enough, the scouts will find him.

And if he’s not good enough for some scouts, Bellichick will find him.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ninja's really high on Cameron Heyward

And he’s projected as a top-10ish first rounder… the area that Hoodie picked up Seymour and Warren. Still, it’s a name to keep an eye on.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watt is 6'6", 285 lbs.

So he doesn’t exactly meet the weight requirements. Oopsies.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

With that frame, he can bulk up

a lot of those 285lbers are ‘skinny’, relatively speaking. If they’re after sheer bulk, they could just eat more. It’s easy enough to stack on sheer mass if the trainers aren’t too worried about whether they’re trim versus big.

It’s more likely going to boil down to talent and intelligence – whether he’s bright enough to control two gaps, and talented enough to be able to do something when he’s there.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

he would have been a 1st rd pick in 2010 if he had come out early

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by NinjaZX6R on Jun 10, 2010 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where would you rate him compared to Cam Heyward?

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

all the way in the back of the rounds...between 5-7

Adriane clayborn from Iowa will prob be a mid to late 1st rd 3-4de pick

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

GO TEAM USA & then Brazil (World Cup 2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6moE_qqPnY&feature=related

by NinjaZX6R on Jun 10, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey that o line partied away late the previous night

plus my dline destroyed your o line too…..and we won

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

GO TEAM USA & then Brazil (World Cup 2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6moE_qqPnY&feature=related

by NinjaZX6R on Jun 10, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know OSU's D-Line dismantled Wisconsin's O-Line

That was one game where the offensive tackles just got beat. And got beat again. And kept getting beat…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of your 6'5" 300 lbers are belong to us.

We breed them down in Miami.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what's all this news about Miami needing a DT about?

Oh wait, Parcells grabbed Odrick and sank another dagger into the Patriots front office.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least he didn't go to the Jets...

that’d be a chainsaw to the heart, not a dagger.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd cry myself to sleep if they'd taken Mayo...

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when they released Vilma?

Vilma has one more Super Bowl ring than his Jets teammates right now…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, too...

because their reasoning for releasing Vilma was ’he’s a mismatch in a 3-4’. Then the Saints run a hybrid 3-4, using Vilma in pretty much every key position on every variant of their 3-4, 4-3 and nickel, and he is a complete menace to the opposition. Go figure.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a mistake letting Vilma walk, but David Harris is no slouch.

He’s grown into a nice, little disruptive force in Rex Ryan’s defense. Actually, he’s one of my favorite Jets (if such a title exists).

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worst five seconds of my life.

It was cold out there.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, yeah, the Jets occasionally have a FEW likable players (Wayne Chrebet)

Then their fans run their mouths and make Patriots, Bills, Dolphins AND Giants fans hate their team…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

... and the Colts, Steelers, Chargers...

Ad infinitum.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a moment, I thought you meant Devin Harris

Who could probably start at QB for the Jets this season…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, he'll rot on the Nets.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh...

I’m only interested if he ends up in Portland.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I would LOVE that.

I wish the Trail Blazers would have done better in the playoffs…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty much injury central up in the City of Roses.

Oden appears cursed (but still incredibly young), his back up went down, Batum missed serious time, and Roy’s knees scare me to death. It was impressive for him to make that playoff return, but in the long run he really needs to rest.

I felt like LaMarcus took a slight step back this year, and I don’t know how Andre Miller fits into the team’s long term plans. Tack on the Pritchard issues and it’s a crazy time up in Portland, for sure. Still a lot to be excited about, though.

"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt

by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andre figures in by being the only player who will NOT get injured.

Remember Jerryd Bayless? He’s still developing, but I like what I’ve seen out of him.

Camby was resigned (I think). The Blazers should have their big men back up to full strength for next season unless Pryz does something really dumb…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 10, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do like Jerryd.

He does something one night that makes me go “Wow!” and the next night I’m left shaking my head. If he could develop into something consistent I’d eventually like to move Andre. Camby was indeed resigned, which is a nice plus. Coming to Portland seemed to rejuvenate him a little bit last year, and I’d like to see what he can teach Greg. I also wish Nate would develop some sort of consistent role for Rudy. I’m nervous he’s going to get bored/annoyed in America and want to go back to Spain where he’d be a star.

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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 10, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

you can thank eric mangina

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by NinjaZX6R on Jun 10, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sans.....

I don’t think your grades should reflect your ability to predict the actual players selected. for example, If you had said, “hoodie will use his first round selection for the best available cornerback who has good size, is strong, and has the ability to contibute of special teams right away”, I’d have considered that an A++.

Unless the Pats have a top 10 pick, any Pats draft prediction is little more than a guess. I’m torn between considering it a “wild” guess and an “educated” guess. I wish there was one in between.

When I was reading last night’s defensive rundown, my mind kept slipping ahead to your predictions for special teams. I had caught up on them as of last night and I think you should have given yourself an A+.

I can’t help but think to myself… other than P, K, LS and maybe KR, most franchises consider special teams as an afterthought. Kinda like the “left-overs” after Christmas. Nobody cooks a huge meal thinking that the left-overs are going to be delicious for days to come. They cook it for the festive meal itself. Left-overs are usually expected but you never know what they are going to be. If the carrots were super delisious, there’s not a strong liklihood there’ll be any. So, the cook could be stuck doing a little more shopping….. OR ….. it could turn out to be a meat-n-potatoes dish ONLY. The way I figure, the very thought you predicted special teams as a priority was near genius.

If I had to pick the position you rated yourself a little too high, I’d say Secondary. Funny, In my feeble brain, I believe your best grade (for yourself) wasn’t high enough…. On the other side, I feel the need to rub a bit more salt in the wounds over you worst grade LOL.

Knowing the Pats traded down in round 1, it tells me they had McCourty pegged as their guy all along. They rolled the dice he’d still be available and the won. Knowing that you inaccurately predicted even the position of the Pats first pick, I have to say this was just slightly below average! as result, I’d gone with a C-.

by Bills friend on Jun 10, 2010 1:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I started off on the basis of a C for my secondary rating...

and then bump myself up to a ‘+’ because at the time of writing the article Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall weren’t in the division. In other words, I couldn’t quite predict one of the main reasons Belichick wanted a top-notch third CB – the prospect of facing top-notch WRs for 4 more games a season than was previously the case. If I’d written it a few days later (around the time it was eventually published) I’d have been able to factor in Marshall and Holmes.

It never left my mind that Belichick started off as a special teams coach, and he’s never neglected the unit even when he moved on to greater things (in fact, he spent an entire practice session yesterday with the punt return/coverage units, teaching the gunners).

I’d have given myself higher ratings on the special teams units if I’d been able to pick out the guys by name. I did have Mesco on the list in the pre-draft discussions as the most likely draft pick, and I had a guy with McCourty’s skillset tabbed as likely. If I’d actually said McCourty outright, that might’ve nabbed me an A or A+.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jun 10, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

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