Top 5 Most Intriguing Defensive Patriots at Training Camp
Not long ago Patriots Training Camp was mostly about praying our star veterans didn't get hurt. Our team was proven at almost every position (except maybe cornerback) and there was little doubt who was going to be playing where.
But now the Patriots are a team loaded with unproven youngsters, and at least four to five positions on the defense could be up for grabs for those players.
If the Patriots hope to repeat in the AFC East it will be imperative that some of these players emerge into high quality starters this year. My five most intriguing young Pats with a chance to make that jump after the jump...
5. Tyrone McKenzie - McKenzie blew out his knee before ever getting the pads on in 2009 after being selected in the third round. McKenzie played in three different defenses in college and contributed to all of them. Based on this quote from Belichick you have to feel pretty good about his character too:
"I would just say of all the players that I've talked to and we've interviewed this year and even through the years, that Tyrone is amongst the most impressive," Belichick said. "Maturity, intelligence, what he's done with the opportunities that he's had or that he's had to overcome, how he's approached them, how he's dealt with them, how he's made the most of them ...
"It hasn't been easy, yet he's continued to excel, jump over hurdles and overcome obstacles that I think would have derailed a lot of other people and/or football players. I think he's a very impressive, mature, humble young man."
The question about McKenzie is really how he will fit into the Patriots defense. Can he rush the passer? Can he shift to the outside in a 4-3 scheme? Is he too similar a player to Mayo? His versatility gives him a good shot to contribute, but until we see him on the field in pads we have no way to know how or where he will.
4. Patrick Chung - I know, you're probably sick of me pumping Chung like he's Rodney reincarnated, but based on what we've seen in mini-camp, and heard from inside the locker room and practices it sounds like Chung is the real deal. When you look at the great defenses of the NFL past there are always defenders who play on the edge. Rodney Harrison was one and Chung looks to be one as well. If you haven't seen his blocking in the clip below please watch it now...
If Chung is not the game one starter opposite Brandon Meriweather I will be extremely disappointed. He flies around with reckless abandon, has the speed to play deep safety, but also the size and strength to be a playmaker near the line of scrimmage like Harrison was. He's had a year to pick it all up, now it's time to put it all together.
3. Devin McCourty - is it just me or is everyone sleeping on McCourty right now? What we can say is that as long as he's healthy McCourty will contribute to the 2010 Patriots, whether it's only on Special Teams, as a sub-DB or even as a starter opposite Leigh Bodden.
What McCourty should add is a strong run support presence from the nickel slot position, a place where Jonathan Wilhite was often outmanned in 2009. Teams will often try to run on defenses when they're in a nickel or dime package, but McCourty should be a real asset as a corner who is physical and comes down hard to tackle opposing running backs. Don't underestimate how much McCourty's versatility will help the Patriots keep other promising young players when it comes time to cut the roster to 52. Oh, and he can run backwards almost as fast as he can run forwards:
2. Jermaine Cunningham - For all the Patriots fans who were clamoring for Jerry Hughes or Sergio Kindle in round one Cunningham was the consolation prize that sent us all to the internets to find out how we overlooked the Pats second round pick. After so much buildup about the Pats needing a pass rusher Cunningham was a surprise pick, though Mel Kiper later said upon watching more film he was impressed with how "relentless" Jermaine was.
It's hard to expect much out of a rookie, especially at outside linebacker but given Cunningham's draft position, physicality, and pedigree it's hard not to think he can at least contribute as a sub-rusher in 2010. And of course there's that small part of you that wonders maybe, just maybe, he could be step right in and play all three downs.
1. Shawn Crable - I know I'm going to get killed for this but the fact is on paper there's not another Patriots OLB with better length or speed than Crazy Legs. There is no question that this guy was brought in for one reason: to rush the passer. He's made plays in the few preseason games he's played in, and with two years in the Patriots playbook he should be far more mentally prepared to contribute than Jermaine Cunningham is. And don't tell me he doesn't look like a badass pass rusher in the pic below...
OK, just ignore his calves. You also cannot discount that Crable knows it's now or never for him. He should come to camp with a ferocious attitude if he wants to make the team. For a player who was never injured in college these were surely a rough couple years for Crable, and that is why I believe he is the most intriguing player in Patriots Training Camp.
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His calves do remind my of Jake Sully in Avatar
but, let’s hope Crable proves the Pats were wise to hold onto him for one last go of it.
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will be interesting preseason
I usually ignored preseason but the rebuilding of the patriots with so much potentially talented youth, it should make it fun to watch to see who comes out on top.
Spikes has been the most hyped player. He gets ragged because of his “slow time”
Crable the most dissed player by patriots fans. Hope he can shine.
I see a very strong ILB group this year. It will be able to even withstand injuries.
The OLB competition will be the most interesting to watch.
Maybe Deaderick can be considered the dark horse long shot on DL since he played in Sabans 3-4 defense.
There will be about 10 young players to watch.
I agree!
The building of Belichick Defense 2.0 is a fascinating story to me. So many high round draft picks, I mean seriously at the very least one of these dudes HAS to break out this year, right?
by MikeDussault on Jul 26, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on, LBs not going to be the weakspot this year everyone thinks
ILB is solid, and I’ll say it now, it’s Mayo, McKenzie, Spikes, Guyton in that order. Spikes was solid on a good team, but McKenzie was just a machine everywhere he went.
OLB, I also see Crable contributing nicely. I get sick of the haters abusing him for being injured…like it couldn’t happen to any one of us…Cunningham has a nice motor, but moving from DE to LB probably means he’s no4 on the chart this year, still not a bad option to have…I can see McKenzie also contributing on the outside.
Butler will get ahead of McCourty, but that’s a great battle and the future of the franchise on the corners. I also want to see Wheatley get back to where he should be. He’s way more talented than Wilhite. Chung, I am not so sure about. He was the top pick but didn’t seem to put the time into the playbook. Lets hope he was humbled enough to motivate him (though if you don’t get it now when will you…).
DL although stronger, they still don’t have great depth. If Wilfork or Ty goes down then it’s going to be repeats of the Ravens game all season long…
Still they are a borderline top 5 D already…
I see some really good building pieces
but I don’t know if I’d put them in the top 5 just yet, they’ll need to prove that to me this year. I still think that the foundation of the defense won’t truly be completed until after the 2011 draft. They really need a top 10 pick to land another stud DE (if one doesn’t emerge) so here’s hoping Oakland goes 0-16. With the versatility in the linebacker corps BB will be able to get creative with them. I really think our secondary looks hugely promising. Big year against a lot of good teams. Win or lose, lots of great experience. I want to dominate another decade.
by MikeDussault on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
here is crable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj-dMgfYgkQ
thank you for that 1st down
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Yes
Terrence Wheatley is another one to watch.
Hope he gets back to 2008 form when he seemed to excel.
It would add strong depth if he does succeed
I don’t have any expectations for Brace.
This is the first year he will be able to prove that he can do something.
Wheatley
Yes he should be #6. While I seem to remember feeling good about him in 2008 I’m starting to feel like I can only really remember him playing like 4 good snaps against the Colts before getting hurt and somehow that’s all anyone remembers about him. I don’t know, is he that guy who shut down marvin harrison for a couple plays? Or the injured guy who got toasted the only couple times he played prior to Indy. If he can beat out Wilhite for dime or nick that would be interesting. Just don’t have a good read on him as a player, haven’t seen enough to know what he brings to the party.
He shut down marvin harrison.
I had a sad face when he was injured after that awesome breakup. :(
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Another great post !
I agree 100 percent on chung i think this year he takes a huge step forward and becomes a starter and not just a starter but a potential pro bowler. I like cunninghams talent and size and speed and work ethic. I read somewhere right after draft that BB in one of his talks with urban meyer brought up carlos dunlap a prospect rumored to be first round material and meyer told him you dont want dunlap take a look at cunningham. And man can crable stay healthy this year so we can see what we got in him i think he can play football but we need to find out on the field. And this brings me to mckenzie another young player i like a lot i think him mayo spikes form a solid ILB trio as any in BB tenure those three are going to get the job done for years to come!!!1 And last but not least i have said many times on here for some reason i am a wheatley fan i think he has talent and is a much better cb then wilhite just hasnt been able to stay ont he field long enough to prove it. but i think wheatley is number 4 cb on this team this year and our secondary is on the verge of becoming a top 5 secondary in the NFL !!!!!!! go pats thursday cant come fast enough!!!!!
That seems correct
Carlos Dunlap and Cunningham were both still on the board when the Pats drafted the latter – Dunlap is significantly bigger, stronger and arguably faster/quicker, with similar college production, yet the Pats went with Cunningham. It’s Cunningham’s ‘intangibles’ that made him draft-worthy, since Dunlap clearly has the better measurables.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 27, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Good analysis
I think a handful of these second and third year players hold one of the keys to what kind of year the Patriots will have. I might also add Ron Brace to the list, too. It would be disappointing if he doesn’t take a big step forward this year after being such a high draft pick. But there’s not as much need for him to emerge as there is for Cunningham and Crable and McCourty. Those guys almost have to come through for us to be the kind of team we want to have.
This is what makes Bill Belichick the best: He's playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
What about Bulter?
I agree iLB is quickly moving from a weakness to a strength, OLB will be interesting but is much less prepared for 19-20 games.
I love Chung as well, dude is going to be a great safety – he should be better this year, but not sure he’ll be all world just yet.
One of the guys I’m most excited to see is Bulter – this is a kid who played pretty damn well, and pretty damn often in year 1. His jump from Y1 to Y2 could be something really special.
I think McCourty puts pressure on the nickel spot with Whilhite and Wheatly and likely one of those two are cut this year – but I don’t think Bulter is going to get any competition as a starter, I’m actually thinking he could emerge as the best corner on the team by week 4 or 6 over Bodden.
Butler could be very special
He’s more athletically gifted than Bodden, but they’re fundamentally different types. Bodden’s a very solid tackling man-coverer, but he’ll never be a true shutdown Revis-type. He’s good at pressing his man and rerouting him, but he can’t make the amazing athletic crazy plays.
Butler’s got special pace, so he could turn into a shutdown corner. I hope he doesn’t do it at the expense of becoming a part-time route-jumping liability, a la Asante Samuel, though.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 27, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw that too but its different
its the active/pup list he can come off the list at anytime and doesnt have to miss the first 6 weeks. they put welker on as well .
by brady12mvp3 on Jul 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Still...
I just can’t believe he can’t even start camp healthy.
by MikeDussault on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know its shocking
He might just be too fragile for the nfl. maybe we jinxed him by talking him up this morning uggggh.
by brady12mvp3 on Jul 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
But ...
i was even hoping welker doesn’t get too much playing time until later in season
if welker doesn’t play, it wiill leave more opportunity to see if the younger players can shine
i wouldn’t mind seeing taylor price get some playing time
Totes
I am fine with Welker on PUP to start, they can activate him any time. Gives the young WRs many more reps with 1st team O. WR depth is almost as important as a healthy Welker, we saw last year what happened when we have no threats outside Moss/Wes.
by MikeDussault on Jul 27, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
crable on active PUP
the nature of the injury is unknown but if it is major especially his legs that would not bode well
if he doesn’t start camp, it is better for this to happen now rather than later
it allows us to move on from the past
one less person vying for the OLB lot means one less difficult cut
the positive for crable is ...
they won’t make hardly any cuts until after the 4 preseason games
so he still has time to come back if it is relatively minor
As far as I know, they still have 82 guys in the frame
They have to officially trim that to 80 soon; McCourty isn’t signed, still, so by my count they have 81 contracts around. Putting guys on the active PUP list means they’re not counted agains the roster number cap, as far as I know. It might be a little roster tomfoolery – keeping 82 but saying they have only 80?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 27, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they are counted
there are just 2 things to understand
any Active PUP are counted against roster
they can be taken off active PUP anytime during preseason
Oh no, here it is.
According to Mike Florio:
Because he’s on the “active” version of the list, Welker [and Crable and Weston] can join practice at any time. If/when he does, however, the team will be required to count him toward the 80-man roster.
Until then, Welker can’t practice with the team, in any way.
So while Welker, Crable and Weston are on the Active/PUP list and not participating, they’re not counted towards the 80-man roster. Once they’re off it, they count towards the limit. It might be a way to get a look at 80+ guys while staying within the rules.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 27, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Florio either not communicating well or wrong
Any player on the active PUP means he is counted as being on roster
They can’t participate in main practice although they can be working off on the side

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