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Training Camp Day 1: View from the bleachers

Practice was held in a steady downpour that turned hot and steamy for a bit before clouding over again in relief.  The bleachers and end-zone hill were pretty well filled for a rainy Thursday and the crowd was clapping and applauding the catches.  Alge Crumpler was welcomed to New England and David Patten was welcomed back by some loud clapping and hollering.

Wes Welker was present on the far field in a plain red shirt, no numbers or identification, running and cutting up and down the sideline of the far field. Some bigger guys in blue were running and drilling with him and I couldn’t tell from that distance who they were – staff, trainers or other players.

Rob Gronkowski is to the tight ends as Sebastian Vollmer is to the O-line. Head and shoulders above everyone.

David Patten looked surprisingly good. He looked light on his feet, ran his routes fast, and just moved everywhere quickly. Torry Holt looked good but didn’t stand out to me in any special way. Alge Crumpler lost weight? He’s definitely solid and looked a bit slow but it was his first day of camp so…

Randy Moss was catching everything thrown to him, which was unfortunate for James Sanders trying to cover the guy and win a roster spot at the same time. I could watch Brady-to-Moss all day.

Brandon Spikes is a hard-hitter. All the rookies looked like rookies out there and had to be corrected after plays, but Cunningham, Spikes, Gronkowski, Price all looked good. I didn’t see much of McCourty or Hernandez.

It was great to see Tyrone McKenzie out there too. He made a couple of good plays that had me checking his number to see who number 44 was.

Brandon Tate was all over the place, running hard and making good catches. He dropped one biggie that would have been a touchdown. – Matthew Slater dropped three that I saw.

Vince Wilfork made a nice play during a red-zone drill with the first offense against the first defense, catching Sammy Morris by the ankle just enough to keep him from punching the ball into the end zone.  Vince was a happy man after that.

Brady, needless to say, looked great. His passes were all crisp and right on the money. Every single one.

The professional assessments (links) after the jump:

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Ian Rapoport checks out what happened on the first practice session of the season.

Shalise Manza Young offers some quick hits from camp, session 1.

Christopher Price posts his take on this morning's practice.

Patriots Today - First look at camp 2010. (1.02 min. video)

Bill Belichick Press Conference (14.34 min. video) Plus Transcript.

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great post !!!!

thank u so can u be there every day ? lol

by brady12mvp3 on Jul 29, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

AAAHHH!!!!! TRAINING CAMP!!!!!!!!!!

So? Who will join me on training camp friday? And nice work Marima!

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

What did you think of Pierre Woods?

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought woods looked good in 08.

but right now, I don’t exactly see him beating out cunningham for some reason. I don’t know… just a feeling.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really pulling for David Patten

And refuse to count him out. I hope he can just turn heads and make himself worth a roster spot.

I know it’s a long shot, but one can hope, right?

by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Would be fun

But Holt is the younger, smoother, HOF, posession receiver that might mitigate the loss of Welker if he starts out on the PUP.

by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would believe Hernandez to fill in the welker void.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe.

He has the skill set, but if I were to compare edelman to hernandez, hernandez to me looks like a bigger edelman if you know what I mean. Edelman is quick, but so is hernandez. But hernandez is taller.

I feel safer with a very quick TE who can also block, to fill in welker’s void. I like edelman a lot, but I feel Hernandez can provide a bit more, in terms of options.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

edelman can block too, but hernandez can most likely block better.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

then again... maybe edelman is the better overall WR.

I can see them sharing the slot.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you're talking about the slot position as a whole...

…and not Welker’s job. I think as far as fulfilling Welker’s duties (punt returns, slot receiving), Edelman has that covered. I think Hernandez is too big to do what Welker was doing is much more of a vertical threat.

by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Hernandez is labeled more as a vertical threat.

He can receive basically anywhere on the field, as far as the videos I saw of him. Then again, it was Tim Tebow he was playing with, so he has to receive anywhere. He does remind me of Dallas Clark.

I do think Edelman is more closer to welker in all aspects.

I do have to say though, that Hernandez is a rookie, so edelman has the experience, and the skill set to be the better choice of the two. Maybe edelman is the better choice, but we’ll have to wait and see what Hernandez can do as well.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I see it...

Edelman can do the Welker-like underneath routes – flats, slants, that kind of thing. Hernandez could well be a Dallas Clark option, still doing some slants, but often piercing holes in LB coverage in vertical-ish routes. Hernandez could be catching it 10+ yards downfield, which isn’t really where Welker/Edelman do most of their work.

Different strokes, etc.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richard, got to agree with you as this one

Hernandez can be used as a slot weapon, but not necessarily a Welker replacement. Because of his size, he’s also going to be used as more of a vertical threat and down the seam.

Edelman seems to have the more similar skill set to Welker.

by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had Holt beating out Patten

but I was adjusting my assessment after this morning. He didn’t show his age for a second.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 29, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting to see Guyton running with the first-D

Hopefully Spikes can bring the heat during camp and give the middle of our D some swagger

by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with you Greg

any member of the pats dynasty has a special place in my heart

by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Brady better be great.

Oh yeah, and his birthday is in 5 days.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Rich, when I go tomorrow morning

I’m going to make it a point to note who’s lined up with them. Warren looked good by the way too. Forgot how big he was, even standing next to Vince.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 29, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Ian Rapoport told me that it was Mike Wright...

…with Damione Lewis rotating in. Which doesn’t mean much this early, but I guess we can’t count either player out?

I’ve been seriously overlooking Mike Wright, but he’s a fairly competent end who can contribute well.

by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Gerard Warren?

G. Warren has the frame and weight I’d want in a RE, but if Lewis is taking the snaps over Warren, I’d wonder about his future.

Wright’s the perfect 4th lineman for a 3-4 – he can fill in pretty ably in any of the 30 front spots, and in the meantime he’s a great penetrating Nickel-lineman (5 sacks in 2009). He’s as close to a lock as anyone, as a great backup and sub-package guy.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

just read on reiss blog

len pasquerelli is reporting burgess is considering retirement. if that is true losing crable yesterday and burgess today is thinning our olb corps on its own. so my guess is banta cain and ninkovich starters with woods and cunningham backing up.

by brady12mvp3 on Jul 29, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

If that happens

My guess would be banta-cain and cunningham.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't good.

Dare I say, do we have Adalius’ # still?

by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll pretend you never said that

Moving on…

Didn’t Willie McGinest say he still wanted a shot with us? :)

by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Greg Ellis still a FA?

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a joke

damn that man, he’s still making some cheddar from us i believe..

by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have woods than adalius to tell the truth.

but maybe BB thinks differently than I.

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why, are you planning to call for pizza?

That’s about all he’d be good for.

Worst case scenario, I’d rather line Guyton up outside before calling Adalius.

by RSNexile on Jul 29, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cunningham - and the rest of the rookies -

still look like rookies. We have to hope they’re quick studies too, because they’re going to have to hit the ground running or they’ll be taken advantage of pretty quickly.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did chung look?

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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Chung had one miss

Hoyer threw a bullet to a receiver and Chung missed getting his hands on it by a fraction of an inch. The crowd cheered for the catch (Brandon Tate?) but Chung yelled and slapped his hands together in frustration at the miss before running back to the line. It was great to see him so fired up.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm, ok, Tom Brady told you...

..Wes Welker is like a Labrador, but still… :D

by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

And here I was...

thinking the rules said guys on the PUP list weren’t allowed to train… silly me. Haha.

I guess he’s just a member of the public who happens to be running on the Pats practice field with a leash. Coincidental, of course.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He worked with the rehab trainers not involved...

..into the field practice, run individual drills. (As I learned this is what rehabbing players frequently do. What stands out: more pundits told Welker made the most intense rehab drills they ever saw.

by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, it's an interesting rehab that necessitates him carrying a ball in his hands...

And the line itself is blurry – Peyton Manning broke the rules by participating in on the field walk-throughs when he was on the Active/PUP list himsefl, but the league chose to not punish the infraction. There’s a definite grey area.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you realise there are rehab drills with balls, don't you? :P

They can use many different tools, simulating many different traning situations without actually letting him to train. An this is not a wal-through. He worked with the rehab team. As I said: every year you can see the rehab players, including active PUP players at the sidelines.

And rehab is not “what I think rehab is, copyright by Comedic Sans” by any means :P

by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I know

I was being facetious for the most part. I just find it funny that if he’s running drills with a ball in his hand that he picked up himself, it’s legit, but if Tom Brady happened to toss him that ball, it’s probably a breach.

You know what I find disconcerting? How much he smiles when he’s busy rehabbing. You’d think it was fun or something…

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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it a smile? :D

As for Brady: even more funny they can go outside the facility, throwing each other in LA for example: then it’s ok, have fun guys. If it’s training camp time: then it’s a big no-no. :)

by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's SMP holding the other end of the leash

He finally caught him. It’s the real reason he’s not around anymore, lol.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 29, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

On second look, it almost looks like someone harpooned Welker...

White whales are easy. White WRs, not so much.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that physique alone?
Rob Gronkowski is to the tight ends as Sebastian Vollmer is to the O-line. Head and shoulders above everyone.

Or do you mean to compare Vollmer’s playing with DEs like they are children as he sometimes did?

by pablum257 on Jul 30, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

First obvious observation

from a physical perspective. He can be spotted on the field at any time without needing to know his number, that’s how big he looks. But big in a broad-shouldered, no-gut kind of way. He’s listed at 6’6", 265.

The morning session had the tight ends working with a coach among themselves more than playing. It will be interesting to see him in action.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 30, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vollmer in action

Is an odd thing.
The way he just sort of swats rushers out of the way sometimes or pushes them down like a kid…like out of solidity and balance more than normal strength. The interaction with rushers is oddly like Terrell Pryor of tOSU when tacklers come up to him alone.

He moves oddly…maybe he’s a cyborg.

by pablum257 on Aug 1, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

shhhh....

you don’t want to start an investigation.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 1, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean 'maybe' he's a cyborg?

He’s got the “made in Germany” stamp right under the hatch to his CPU. Precision German engineering; you can barely hear the gears and cogs.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 1, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

buckeye fan?

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems likely

even if severely displaced.

:)

by pablum257 on Aug 1, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Trying to be funny, and ended up just not making any sense.

So let’s try it a bit more straightforward: Yes.

by pablum257 on Aug 1, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

woohoo

me too….TP’s stiff arm is amazing

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 1, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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