Training Camp Day 1: View from the bleachers
Practice was held in a steady downpour that turned hot and steamy for a bit before clouding over again in relief. The bleachers and end-zone hill were pretty well filled for a rainy Thursday and the crowd was clapping and applauding the catches. Alge Crumpler was welcomed to New England and David Patten was welcomed back by some loud clapping and hollering.
Wes Welker was present on the far field in a plain red shirt, no numbers or identification, running and cutting up and down the sideline of the far field. Some bigger guys in blue were running and drilling with him and I couldn’t tell from that distance who they were – staff, trainers or other players.
Rob Gronkowski is to the tight ends as Sebastian Vollmer is to the O-line. Head and shoulders above everyone.
David Patten looked surprisingly good. He looked light on his feet, ran his routes fast, and just moved everywhere quickly. Torry Holt looked good but didn’t stand out to me in any special way. Alge Crumpler lost weight? He’s definitely solid and looked a bit slow but it was his first day of camp so…
Randy Moss was catching everything thrown to him, which was unfortunate for James Sanders trying to cover the guy and win a roster spot at the same time. I could watch Brady-to-Moss all day.
Brandon Spikes is a hard-hitter. All the rookies looked like rookies out there and had to be corrected after plays, but Cunningham, Spikes, Gronkowski, Price all looked good. I didn’t see much of McCourty or Hernandez.
It was great to see Tyrone McKenzie out there too. He made a couple of good plays that had me checking his number to see who number 44 was.
Brandon Tate was all over the place, running hard and making good catches. He dropped one biggie that would have been a touchdown. – Matthew Slater dropped three that I saw.
Vince Wilfork made a nice play during a red-zone drill with the first offense against the first defense, catching Sammy Morris by the ankle just enough to keep him from punching the ball into the end zone. Vince was a happy man after that.
Brady, needless to say, looked great. His passes were all crisp and right on the money. Every single one.
The professional assessments (links) after the jump:
Ian Rapoport checks out what happened on the first practice session of the season.
Shalise Manza Young offers some quick hits from camp, session 1.
Christopher Price posts his take on this morning's practice.
Patriots Today - First look at camp 2010. (1.02 min. video)
Bill Belichick Press Conference (14.34 min. video) Plus Transcript.
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Great job Marima...
..you lucky *+!%! :D ;)
by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
great post !!!!
thank u so can u be there every day ? lol
AAAHHH!!!!! TRAINING CAMP!!!!!!!!!!
So? Who will join me on training camp friday? And nice work Marima!
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What did you think of Pierre Woods?
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Woods had a couple goal line stops...
…so maybe he’s gonna step up this year?
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought woods looked good in 08.
but right now, I don’t exactly see him beating out cunningham for some reason. I don’t know… just a feeling.
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really pulling for David Patten
And refuse to count him out. I hope he can just turn heads and make himself worth a roster spot.
I know it’s a long shot, but one can hope, right?
I'd be happy if Patten beat out Holt.
That’d be fun.
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Would be fun
But Holt is the younger, smoother, HOF, posession receiver that might mitigate the loss of Welker if he starts out on the PUP.
by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you use "younger" very loosely :)
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point!
Actually has way more tread on his tires and hands…
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1x1mvb2W23Q/Sf8KsKRtNCI/AAAAAAAABVc/3sJ4MQr6GOo/s1600-h/holt.gif
by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would believe Hernandez to fill in the welker void.
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maybe.
He has the skill set, but if I were to compare edelman to hernandez, hernandez to me looks like a bigger edelman if you know what I mean. Edelman is quick, but so is hernandez. But hernandez is taller.
I feel safer with a very quick TE who can also block, to fill in welker’s void. I like edelman a lot, but I feel Hernandez can provide a bit more, in terms of options.
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edelman can block too, but hernandez can most likely block better.
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then again... maybe edelman is the better overall WR.
I can see them sharing the slot.
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Oh you're talking about the slot position as a whole...
…and not Welker’s job. I think as far as fulfilling Welker’s duties (punt returns, slot receiving), Edelman has that covered. I think Hernandez is too big to do what Welker was doing is much more of a vertical threat.
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Hernandez is labeled more as a vertical threat.
He can receive basically anywhere on the field, as far as the videos I saw of him. Then again, it was Tim Tebow he was playing with, so he has to receive anywhere. He does remind me of Dallas Clark.
I do think Edelman is more closer to welker in all aspects.
I do have to say though, that Hernandez is a rookie, so edelman has the experience, and the skill set to be the better choice of the two. Maybe edelman is the better choice, but we’ll have to wait and see what Hernandez can do as well.
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The way I see it...
Edelman can do the Welker-like underneath routes – flats, slants, that kind of thing. Hernandez could well be a Dallas Clark option, still doing some slants, but often piercing holes in LB coverage in vertical-ish routes. Hernandez could be catching it 10+ yards downfield, which isn’t really where Welker/Edelman do most of their work.
Different strokes, etc.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Richard, got to agree with you as this one
Hernandez can be used as a slot weapon, but not necessarily a Welker replacement. Because of his size, he’s also going to be used as more of a vertical threat and down the seam.
Edelman seems to have the more similar skill set to Welker.
by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yep.
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I had Holt beating out Patten
but I was adjusting my assessment after this morning. He didn’t show his age for a second.
Keep the faith!
Interesting to see Guyton running with the first-D
Hopefully Spikes can bring the heat during camp and give the middle of our D some swagger
Agree with you Greg
any member of the pats dynasty has a special place in my heart
Brady better be great.
Oh yeah, and his birthday is in 5 days.
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Rich, when I go tomorrow morning
I’m going to make it a point to note who’s lined up with them. Warren looked good by the way too. Forgot how big he was, even standing next to Vince.
Keep the faith!
Yeah, Ian Rapoport told me that it was Mike Wright...
…with Damione Lewis rotating in. Which doesn’t mean much this early, but I guess we can’t count either player out?
I’ve been seriously overlooking Mike Wright, but he’s a fairly competent end who can contribute well.
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No Gerard Warren?
G. Warren has the frame and weight I’d want in a RE, but if Lewis is taking the snaps over Warren, I’d wonder about his future.
Wright’s the perfect 4th lineman for a 3-4 – he can fill in pretty ably in any of the 30 front spots, and in the meantime he’s a great penetrating Nickel-lineman (5 sacks in 2009). He’s as close to a lock as anyone, as a great backup and sub-package guy.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that was awesome.
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just read on reiss blog
len pasquerelli is reporting burgess is considering retirement. if that is true losing crable yesterday and burgess today is thinning our olb corps on its own. so my guess is banta cain and ninkovich starters with woods and cunningham backing up.
If that happens
My guess would be banta-cain and cunningham.
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This isn't good.
Dare I say, do we have Adalius’ # still?
by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll pretend you never said that
Moving on…
Didn’t Willie McGinest say he still wanted a shot with us? :)
by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Greg Ellis still a FA?
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just a joke
damn that man, he’s still making some cheddar from us i believe..
by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have woods than adalius to tell the truth.
but maybe BB thinks differently than I.
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Why, are you planning to call for pizza?
That’s about all he’d be good for.
Worst case scenario, I’d rather line Guyton up outside before calling Adalius.
Cunningham - and the rest of the rookies -
still look like rookies. We have to hope they’re quick studies too, because they’re going to have to hit the ground running or they’ll be taken advantage of pretty quickly.
Keep the faith!
i will be a linebacker for the patriots
before adalius is again.
How did chung look?
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Chung had one miss
Hoyer threw a bullet to a receiver and Chung missed getting his hands on it by a fraction of an inch. The crowd cheered for the catch (Brandon Tate?) but Chung yelled and slapped his hands together in frustration at the miss before running back to the line. It was great to see him so fired up.
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Hm, ok, Tom Brady told you...
..Wes Welker is like a Labrador, but still… :D 
And here I was...
thinking the rules said guys on the PUP list weren’t allowed to train… silly me. Haha.
I guess he’s just a member of the public who happens to be running on the Pats practice field with a leash. Coincidental, of course.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He worked with the rehab trainers not involved...
..into the field practice, run individual drills. (As I learned this is what rehabbing players frequently do. What stands out: more pundits told Welker made the most intense rehab drills they ever saw.
by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah, it's an interesting rehab that necessitates him carrying a ball in his hands...
And the line itself is blurry – Peyton Manning broke the rules by participating in on the field walk-throughs when he was on the Active/PUP list himsefl, but the league chose to not punish the infraction. There’s a definite grey area.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Welker just can't participate with the rest of the team...
…so he was off on his own with the trainers.
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you realise there are rehab drills with balls, don't you? :P
They can use many different tools, simulating many different traning situations without actually letting him to train. An this is not a wal-through. He worked with the rehab team. As I said: every year you can see the rehab players, including active PUP players at the sidelines.
And rehab is not “what I think rehab is, copyright by Comedic Sans” by any means :P
by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I know
I was being facetious for the most part. I just find it funny that if he’s running drills with a ball in his hand that he picked up himself, it’s legit, but if Tom Brady happened to toss him that ball, it’s probably a breach.
You know what I find disconcerting? How much he smiles when he’s busy rehabbing. You’d think it was fun or something…
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it a smile? :D
As for Brady: even more funny they can go outside the facility, throwing each other in LA for example: then it’s ok, have fun guys. If it’s training camp time: then it’s a big no-no. :)
by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's SMP holding the other end of the leash
He finally caught him. It’s the real reason he’s not around anymore, lol.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Jul 29, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On second look, it almost looks like someone harpooned Welker...
White whales are easy. White WRs, not so much.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that physique alone?
Rob Gronkowski is to the tight ends as Sebastian Vollmer is to the O-line. Head and shoulders above everyone.
Or do you mean to compare Vollmer’s playing with DEs like they are children as he sometimes did?
First obvious observation
from a physical perspective. He can be spotted on the field at any time without needing to know his number, that’s how big he looks. But big in a broad-shouldered, no-gut kind of way. He’s listed at 6’6", 265.
The morning session had the tight ends working with a coach among themselves more than playing. It will be interesting to see him in action.
Keep the faith!
Vollmer in action
Is an odd thing.
The way he just sort of swats rushers out of the way sometimes or pushes them down like a kid…like out of solidity and balance more than normal strength. The interaction with rushers is oddly like Terrell Pryor of tOSU when tacklers come up to him alone.
He moves oddly…maybe he’s a cyborg.
What do you mean 'maybe' he's a cyborg?
He’s got the “made in Germany” stamp right under the hatch to his CPU. Precision German engineering; you can barely hear the gears and cogs.
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buckeye fan?
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It seems likely
even if severely displaced.
:)
Hmmm
Trying to be funny, and ended up just not making any sense.
So let’s try it a bit more straightforward: Yes.

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