Report: Derrick Burgess is Considering Retirement
Len Pasquarelli of ESPN has the report:
Nine-year veteran pass-rusher Derrick Burgess, who did not report Thursday for the start of the New England Patriots' training camp, is considering retirement from the NFL, sources confirmed to ESPN.com.
Burgess, 31, re-signed with the Patriots this spring, after a three-month stint as an unrestricted free agent garnered only modest interest in him. He received a one-year, $1.5 million contract from the Pats.Expected to provide New England with an outside pass rush, Burgess recorded only five sacks in '09, his first season with New England.
Sources said that, as recently as Wednesday, Burgess told associates that he was leaning toward retirement. Those same sources indicated, however, that Burgess could still change his mind about his immediate future. Patriots officials have been apprised that Burgess may retire.
This really comes as surprising news for the Patriots. When Burgess was brought back this offseason, the feeling was that he would probably start at one outside linebacker spot, especially if one of the younger guys didn't develop quickly. The worst-case scenario for Burgess looked to have his role as a rusher on third downs and in sub-packages.
The good thing is, Burgess has alerted the Patriots of his situation, and I'm sure he'll get a little bit of time to mull things over. I will try not to overreact to this news until anything is official, but you have to wonder if Bill Belichick new about this when he released Shawn Crable yesterday.
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OLBs were what we need
and now they are leaving us. :(
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Gee, Burgess and Crable gone already? Hellooooo Von Miller !
I dont know for sure obv
but my guess is that BB knew this yesterday. he cut crable anyway. we still got options at olb with banta-cain ninkovich as starters cunningham and woods as backups.
yea I am guessing he knew about it also.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jul 29, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He can always bring Crable back
Crable failed his physical, and the Pats decided to cut him because he wasn’t fit, (and they needed a roster spot for the McCourty signing, perhaps?). If and when he gets fit, they can always bring him back as a Free Agent.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Greg Ellis a free agent?
He’s a little bit longer in the tooth, but we reportedly looked at him before he signed with the Raiders last season. Has plenty of 3-4 outside back experience. Had a decent season last year (7 sacks)
I just looked him up
I don’t think he’s signed with anyone. And he was very productive on the raiders front 4.
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nope. he's not signed by anyone.
:)
If we sign him, that would be awesome.
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It's not like he'd get more than the minimum
If he doesn’t work out, we cut him and go with the young guys.
Lets also not forget Marques Murrell, Haven’t heard anything on him yet, but maybe he could do something.
by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ellis is 35...
Kinda prefer to ride with Cunningham/Ninkopoop. There will be growing pains but lets just get them over with.
by MikeDussault on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he's still very athletic as far as my knowledge goes, and by watching him play a few games last season.
if anything, he provides leadership as well to an OLB core.
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i wanted him last yr
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here's to hoping
that pierre woods’ 2 goal line stops today portend a big season from him…
hmph
I'm not holding my breath
Can’t wait to see how some of these guys look in the preseason though
by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
woods has got hurt both times he had a
chance to shine maybe this opens the door for him. we still go tplenty of options not worried yet.
Burgess
I just can’t imagine he goes from pondering retirement to coming back and being a pass rush beast. I’m not relying on him for much now even if he does show up at camp.
that's a good point
his heart probably isn’t in it anymore
by Greg Knopping on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really view him as a loss anyway.
Decent player, good contract, but far from a guy I was expecting big things out of
Even a semi-warm body would do...
Have him hidden behind the D-line and straight after the snap, have the ILBs lob the guy over the Linesmen like a catapault. Pass rush from the skies = Death From Above!
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
if he retires, will be get the $1.5 million?
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he should pay the full money back...
..starting with the signing bonus. He signed for a job he refuses to do. If it would be some “normal” job he should have a great lawyer to get away with it.
by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Strangely I'm not worried
I’m wondering now if Guyton is going to be put outside 100% or if they are really feeling that good about a Cunningham/Ninko rotation to start the season.
To have this news break after Crable gets cut – no way I think the pats didn’t know about this – it makes me think BB has a clear design on what he wants the LB picture to look like, and he’s not wasting anytime cutting the fat.
Last year it seemed like a lot of last minute moves and duct taping of the position, but for some reason this year it seems like he’s got guys he wants in place – now he’s clearing room to be able to evaluate them as much as possible.
Would you think Guyton can play OLB?
Well… BB has him in MLB drills next to Mayo, so as unlikely as it may be, I can still see BB use Guyton on the outside a bit, and have spikes in the middle.
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I'm pretty sure he was an OLB in a 4-3 defense...
…which is different.
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder now if Hoodie will resurrect his Safety/MLB hybrid idea
McGowan could probably play an in-the-box Tampa-2 MLB-type deal (think Brian Urlacher).
That’d free up Mayo and Guyton to play pass-defending 4-3 OLBs – that’s a fair bit of speed and pass-defending talent available, if the Pats dropped into a 4-3/Tampa-2 for a bit. I just wonder if they’ll have to experiment a little more now they’re short on 3-4 OLBs, and a Tampa-2/4-3 with McGowan/Mayo/Guyton could have some promise. (It’d also mean Cunningham could play 4-3 DE for a patch and have a shallower learning curve than otherwise).
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He's used Guyton as an OLB before
So it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not worried b/c in hoodie I trust
However, our depth at a position that has lately been perennially weak, may have lost a starter. Belichick never hid his admiration of Burgess as a player and pass-rusher. Picking up the OLB position as a rookie is difficult even though Cunningham looks to have the intangibles and physical make-up of a prototypical Belichick 3-4 OLB.
I would counter by saying that I think Spikes might be a better fit at OLB. As of now Guyton is running with the 1st team ILB alongside Mayo. That could very well change, however, Guyton never could take on and shed blocks from guards last season, how do we expect him to do that against bigger, stronger tackles. Spikes seems to be more physically cut out to do those things. Even though, I would rather see Spikes get the nod at SILB and knock some people in the mouth.
by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The only knock on Spikes is that he might be a bit slow
Too slow to set the edge against the quicker RBs on runs bounced outside, or screen/swing passes. On the inside, he can get a hop through his great instincts; on the outside, he would be more exposed through sheer lack of pace.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure i agree with you there
sure his 40 time was slow, but he plays fast, and his recognition skills/football IQ (excluding mayo) might be the best on the team. And we all know Vrabel was no stallion. Setting the edge has more to do with strength and angles than straight line speed. Guyton would get swallowed up and injured before he was ever a consistent 3-4 OLB.
Certainly Spikes is an inside backer, but I would contend that he is better suited on the outside than Guyton is.
I really hope we can see G. Warren pan out on the right side and be able to swallow up blockers to free up whoever is behind him, Tully, Cunningham etc.
by bizarrowelker on Jul 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He plays fast in the middle, though
Which is a lot to do with reading plays before they happen and anticipating the snap count – something that works well when you’re an inside linebacker and the opposition Center is right under your nose. When you’re on the outside, it’s not quite the same – a lot of the swing passes are on delays, so it turns into a footrace that a slow OLB is likely to lose. The Bills got almost all their yardage on just that kind of play in the first game of last season (Fred Jackson on flats, ugh), and Spikes is probably slower than the Pats OLBs from that game. Vrabel was the exception to the rule, as a fairly productive OLB despite being slow, but even Vrabel struggled on occasions against the outside run and swing pass – he had to take a conservative line when running to the ball because of his lack of sheer footspeed.
I wouldn’t entirely rule Spikes out, but if he’s on the field I’d prefer him to be on the inside as a block-shedder and gap-shooter, with Mayo as the coverage-and-pursuit guy in a good one-two tandem.
You know who else might have a shot at OLB? Tyrone McKenzie. He’s not quite the same size as Spikes, but he’s a step or two quicker. He’s halfway between Spikes and Mayo in size and athleticism, so he might have a shot, too.
Agreed on G. Warren. The guy is 6’4" and 330lbs, so he’s definitely got the extra inches over Brace and Pryor, and the extra weight over Mike Wright, to consistently command double-teams. Ideally he’d take up two blockers all the time, and free some lanes even bargain-basement OLBs can run down.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so(regarding Gerard).
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General question
When was the last time an inside linebacker run 40 yards and actually catched the opponent? :D
by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I vaguely remember Guyton getting back and making a pretty good covering tackle
and he ran from one side of the field to the other. I have a feeling it might’ve been the first game of last season – he faked out to the left, and had to run across field to the right to catch a Fred Jackson swing pass. He would’ve covered 40 yards then.
It’s not so much that it happens often, it’s that when it does happen, it’s vitally important. Remember when Ben Watson ran 110 yards to catch up with a Denver Broncos interception in a playoff game? He forced a fumble that was only a few inches short of being a touchback. Now, get a LB who can do that once or twice in a career, and you might end up with a Superbowl ring out of it. A lot of seasons turn on one or two plays, after all…
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It was not a forced fumble...
…and the Broncos TD came about one play later. But it was a great individual effort, maybe the best athletic effort I’ve ever seen by a Patriots player. :)
by frogfromthemud on Jul 29, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It was arguably a fumble, ha
The ball came out, but it all came down to whether the carrier was out, and if not, where the ball came out and when it crossed the line – if it was before the goal-line, Broncos ball, if after it, Pats ball after a touchback.
It was one of those dicey plays that could’ve gone either way.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda thin on OLB
What is Cunningham’s role going to be with the team?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 29, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
Were I to guess based on his limited exposure thus far
I’d think he’d have a similar role to Banta-Cain, Burgess and Ninkovich – part-time 3-4 OLB (he’s new to it, so he’ll be included slowly), part-time Nickel 4-3 DE, and he’s likely to contribute in Special Teams, too.
If he really shines at 3-4 OLB, he could well earn a starting berth and get a lot of reps there. However, he’s a college 4-3 DE conversion job, so his development is likely to be slow – he’s new to pass-coverage concepts and some edge-setting ideas are different.
I’d expect him to get an opportunity fairly early at DE on the 40-front in Nickel sets – it’s fairly similar to what he was doing in college, and if he shines as a pass-rusher his reps at DE will increase. He’s unlikely to have all the pass-rushing skills necessary for an NFL player yet, but with the thin nature of the Pats 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE corps, he’ll probably get opportunities anyway.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
With Crable gone and Burgess in question [he should be gone]
and a decent number of D-lineman in hand, might BB use the 4-3 more this season?
Could well do
It’d certainly allow Cunningham to feel more comfortable early on, so it’s always a possibility.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
cunningham as a 4-3 DE.
Eh. I think he’s more suited as a 3-4 OLB, but that’s just me.
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As of right now, he's had more experience as a 4-3 DE
Longterm, he seems right as a 3-4 OLB, but until he gets more experience at pass-coverage and zones, he’s a bit raw.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he did play coverage in college though, even as a 4-3 end.
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A little
but it was as a ‘zone’ coverage guy in a zone-blitz scheme. It’s good for the occasional play, but it doesn’t mean he’s NFL-coverage ready. It means the learning curve will be a little less steep, though, which is cause for hope.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that he played coverage at all, as a 4-3 DE, is a +1 for me.
Most rookies aren’t nfl ready, but besides that obvious statement:
I think he’s better suited for OLB probably because of his frame. He has a wide frame if I’m not correct, and he has the speed and vision that can be used mostly, and more freely, as an OLB.
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He's not super-quick/fast in a Shawn Crable way
But he’s got nice length, and looks a little like Mike Vrabel – broad, solid frame, low centre of gravity despite being tall, and even a little on the slow side. Vrabel was also a 4-3 DE convert, so it’s not a bad comparison to make. Hopefully the production could be similar.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
…the team definitely looks extremely strong as a 4-3 team.
TBC – Ty Warren – Wilfork – Cunningham
McKenzie – Mayo – Guyton
or
McKenzie – Spikes – Mayo
by Richard Hill on Jul 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, and you have several combinations
and subs to roll in and out. Wright, Pryor, G. Warren, D. Lewis, and Brace can all be used as well. With the OLB scenario as it stands, I just think the 4-3 makes sense. Their veteran presence and team experience lies in the core of D-lineman.
I wouldn't mind stealing some of the 2009 Saints schemes
Have McGowan come into the short zone as a “3-4 LB” in a 3-3-5 package. Vary up the pass-rushing packages, Gregg Williams-style. If you could find a way to combine that with the ‘Chaos’ LB package, more the better.
Just having more than two MLBs on the field at once would confuse QBs. Who’s covering what zone? Add in them shifting around, it’d be even more confusing.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
For no defendable reason,
I prefer four D-lineman to the 3-4 design. I am a true believer in the inside rush as the most disruptive defense against the pass. I’d much rather see Vince and [Lewis, Pryor, or Brace] bull rush the middle and demolish the pocket than rely on OLB’s which the PATS don’t really have anyways.
I cannot even see a succesful run bewteen the tackles if Vince and ‘someone else’ bull rush the middle. That’d occupy a center and two guards to [run or pass play] leaving little opportunity to run between the tackles with FIVE massive lineman sparring between the tackles: 3 OL + 2 DL.
You can get inside rush in the 3-4.
In fact, you can arguably get more pass-rush inside – if you cheat up the ILBs and have them both shoot the A-gaps, you can have 5 guys rushing between the Guards. It depends how you’re using them.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
there's not much blitzing in the 4-3.
in the 4-3, it’s mostly ONLY 4 defenders, who are the DL, rushing the QB. With the 3-4, there’s more blitzing schemes, and versatility with who will blitz where.
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Yes, however
I sort of like the combined beef that 2 DL create by inducing 3 OL to stop them. It doesn’t result in a QB sack from either of those two DL, but it allows the OLB or DE a better shot at the QB since he cannot step up into the pocket [there isn’t one], and it allows the LB’s to shadow the TE and RB’s and ot get caught in the beef congestion.
Off topic but related somewhat—————-
A few years back when the PATS lost to San Diego and Ledanian Thomas had two long TD runs, I remember BB answering a post game question that “someone is responsible” for those runs. I always wondered if that “someone” was Lawyer Milloy, and that is why he was released the next season before the Buffalo game.
If correct, might anyone know “who” was responsible for the long TD run by Rice? And, was it Meriweather? I ask because I read that Meriweather spent a LOT of time this off season watching film with BB and coaches. Might this be the same scanario with a different outcome?
Meriweather didn't exactly shine on that play...
but I truly think that the guy who was mostly responsible for that play was actually Ray Rice (and the Ravens O-line). They got a set of good blocks, and once Rice is open, he’s gone. Meriweather was out of position a little, but if Rice hadn’t got such a good set of blocks Meriweather would probably have had enough time to recover.
Some teams will just start off that little bit too slowly – even in Superbowls you occasionally get a TD on the first play (that’s you, Devin Hester). It just happens occasionally.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You are not gonna break down a pocket with 2 DL every play though. You kinda make it sound like it will happen 100% of the time.
have 3 down lineman, with 4 LBs, is not only more versatile in terms of blitzing and coverage schemes, but also because you can disguise many plays. In a 4-3, you are limited to just basically having only 4 DL to rush the passer, while the MLB will try and cover the middle of the field, and the OLBs covering(or looking over) the right side and left side of the field.
This is just my opinion on the schemes, because the raiders run a 4-3, and I’ve never really been a fan of it.
Judging from our personal however, I think we will be seeing more 4-3 and other schemes that are not plain 3-4 this season, than most.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up like a Saints-style D
playing 3-4, 4-3 and 3-3-5 situationally in order to create mismatches and confusion, and to paste over the holes in the defence (the Saints had no 3-4 NT last season; the Pats are short on 3-4 OLBs this season).
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
they have different people than we do. who also have slightly different skill sets.
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I see.
I couldn’t remember anything specific, but it seemed odd that neither safety could stop Rice around 15 to 20 yards out since they’re unblocked in that short time.
If I remember correctly...
Meriweather was drifting towards centerfield, where you’d expect an Ed Reed to be, and then cheated up a little when he read ‘run’. He was unsighted for long enough for Rice to bounce around the outside a little and get some separation.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
OH the pain ... ;-)
this might be unhealthy to recap the game any further. I’m almost fully recovered from 2007.
im not
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The Saints win over the Colts, and particularly Manning’s crucial interception, was even more emotionally uplifting for me than any playoff series loss by the Yankees.
I thought it was odd
that Bill Polian didn’t list the interception as one of two plays responsible for the Colts’ SB loss. He said, ‘The game turned on two plays — the third-and-1 at the end of the half and the onside kick to start the second half.’
Keep the faith!
Hah, bull
I don’t even think I remember a third-and-1 at the end of the first half… but I certainly remember a pick-6 at the end of the second…
Guess it’s easier to blame some guy called Mike Hart than it is to blame some guy called Peyton Manning. Go figure.
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What about a "big" name solution at OLB?
Shawne Merriman has been shopped by the Chargers for the last few months and is currently holding out, and ye’s still only 26 y.o.

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