Training Camp Day Two, Practice One Notes
With the first day of training camp in the books, the Patriots turned the page and continued forwards with training camp. Some notes on this morning's action:
Who Wasn't There:
- Running back Thomas Clayton, receiver Matthew Slater, and defensive back Bret Lockett all missed today's practice after getting nicked up yesterday.
- Ron Brace, Wes Welker, and Darnell Jenkins also donned the t-shirt and shorts for the second straight day.
- Logan Mankins (hold-out) and Derrick Burgess (contemplating retirement) were not in attendance as well.
Practice Notes:
- Wide receiver Sam Aiken, who was out of action yesterday, took part in the team's practice today.
- Nick Kazcur got shaken up at one point in practice, with Dan Connolly taking his place at left guard.
- Defensive lineman Kyle Love and Ty Warren were also shaken up during practice, causing the team to be a little thin along the defensive line.
- Vince Wilfork, at one point during practice, got kicked out to end, with Gerard Warren sliding in to nose tackle. While it's still early, Gerard Warren has had a good start to camp thus far.
- Tom Brady looked really sharp again, particularly on the deep balls. He certainly is off to a better start than 2009 training camp.
- The Patriots' defense, for the second straight day, won the battle at the goal line. Tip of the cap to Tyrone McKenzie and Brandon Spikes, who both made big plays at the goal line. The offense was also forced to run a lap after failing to score. While some may point to the offense and it's goal line issues, I like what I've been hearing about the intensity on the defensive side of the ball. Belichick's "hands-on" work is definitely be showcased right now.
- A lot of attention was paid to Zoltan Mesko and the punting game. Mesko got mixed reviews, but one factor seems to be the most prominent: his inconsistency. So far, it seems that Mesko will boom two or three punts in a row, before having one shank. On the return side, Julian Edelman, Brandon Tate, Buddy Farnham, and Taylor Price were fielding Mesko punts. Patrick Chung and Thomas Williams served as the gunners for Mesko.
- Rookie linebacker Dane Fletcher made a really nice play in coverage, deflecting a pass thrown by Brian Hoyer, intended for Julian Edelman. Fletcher read the quarterback, and made a sweet diving deflection.
- Laurence Maroney continues to look solid and decisive thus far.
- Linebacker Pierre Woods took the 1st team left outside linebacker spot today. He has a solid pair of practices yesterday, and he has looked good thus far. While he might not be a pass rushing phenom, he could be a solid 1st and 2nd down linebacker.
- Brandon Deaderick looks to be making some strides, getting some snaps with the second team defense.
- Second year player Myron Pryor has looked good thus far in training camp. Today, he shot the gap and stuffed Sammy Morris in the backfield during red zone work. With Gerard Warren playing well, this could mean trouble for Damione Lewis.
Play of the Practice:
During goal line work, running back Laurence Maroney carried the ball up the middle. Linebacker Tyrone McKenzie read the play, shot the gap, and absolutely cracked Maroney, showing beautiful form, with his helmet popping off in the process. The loud hit drew a big cheer from the crowd. McKenzie was a tackling machine in college, and appears to be showcasing that now in training camp.
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What's Next?
The team will finish off its second of seven straight two-a-days with a 3:45-5:30 practice.
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Sounds like we have 4 very solid ILBs.
What LB spot does dane fletcher play and what do think his chances of making the team are?
He'd project to OLB, most likely.
He was a college 4-3 DE, which usually projects to a Patriots 3-4 OLB. However, the Pats are apparently running him at 3-4 ILB at points, so anything’s possible. Because he’s low-down on the depth-chart, he’ll probably get a look-in at all 4 LB spots.
All things added up, he’s likely to be an OLB for the Pats, but as a depth guy, I wouldn’t be surprised if they move him around a lot – 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB/3-4 ILB, special teams, and maybe even FB (like Thomas Williams).
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 31, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Burgess, contemplating retirement?
Stop Farving your way through this and get your butt to camp, Derrick!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, that worries me
He’s not great, but he had several sacks last year. The last thing we need is another blow to the (lack of) pass rush.
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by LegendaryTadpole on Jul 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the reports that Spikes and McKenzie are shooting gaps well
As much as I like Mayo, he’s better suited to pursuit and side-to-side defending. He’s not a natural gap-shooter (neither is Guyton), so having both Spikes and McKenzie shooting gaps and nailing runners is a very good sign. It’s not that different from shooting gaps to hit RBs as it is to shooting gaps to sack QBs…
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 31, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
[Favre aside] I question a guy who is considering retirement.
It’s a long, physically abusive season. You will never know if he’s giving 100%. I still think I would prefer a young, enthusiastic, eager to learn rookie, and his expected mistakes, over Burgess at this juncture.
On the goal line plays - what kind of variety did they run?
were they all running plays?
Up the middle? Any off tackle or outside?
If any were passing plays – what kind and who did they throw at?
Basically I’m wondering if they have tried to make use of their TEs or not.
It said they practiced Goal-line passes, too
And both Hernandez and Gronkowski got impressive goal-line TDs – Hernandez on the flat, and Gronkowski on a vertical route under the goalposts. I couldn’t tell you if they were alternating run and pass, or doing a separate drill for each.
They’ve definitely used the TEs for goal-line stuff, though.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Hold Out?
Hold outs have contracts and want more $$$.
He’s an UFA who isn’t happy with the offer though it is top 5. I hope he likes hanging with the fam and contemplating a new career.
"simul justus et peccator"
The afternoon practice was quite good.
Edelman was awesome. Making several spectacular catches while being covered. Maroney looked pretty good. Tate looked solid, making the easy catches.
Hernandez and Gronk were also amazing, catching everything in their path. They had only one drop I believe. Price looked solid. Cunningham looked pretty good, although Pierre woods was on the field the most.
The starting lineup for the defense that I mostly saw was:
Warren, Wilfork, Warren
Woods, Mayo, Guyton, Banta-Cain
Bodden, Chung, Meriweather, Butler
Brady also looked amazing today. Aiken looked great, as well as Patten. Patten looked FAST in his routes by the way.
In one on ones, guyton looked pretty good pass rushing. Fualk was blocking amazingly as always. McKenzie did pretty well. Mayo looked VERY aggressive in shedding the blocks. Maroney needs to work on blocking a bit more.
That’s all I can think of right now. I hope Marima can give more details than I. :)
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Tate made a great catch as well with Bodden on him. The pass was from Hoyer I believe, and Tate has to slightly wrestle the ball when jumping in the air, and he came down with the catch.
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with the Defensive Line front, I have noticed that they were all being switched around a bit as well.
I saw Wilfork at End at times. I saw Pryor as DT, as well as End. I saw Gerard Warren as DT, and End. Wright was also in the mix as well.
Very interesting.
Cunningham took some reps at End, but mostly OLB. From what I saw(which wasn’t much), he was quick around the edge, and nearly got a sack on one play.
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Is that Cunningham as DE in the 30 or 40 front?
It’ll be interesting if it’s the 30 – he’s 270lbs or so (McGinest size), and Willie was occasionally used as a 3-4 DE against teams who could run with their QB – the Superbowl against the Eagles being the obvious example.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 31, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll tell you what I saw, since I don't exactly know what 30 or 40 front is.
Cunningham was lined up at OLB on the right side most of the time. I think he may have dropped into coverage once or twice, but they had him rush the passer more.
I noticed he has good quickness off the edge. I didn’t see who he was lined up, or rushing against(the OL I mean), but he did beat the guy a couple times. There was one point where the OL had to hold on to cunningham, which would have resulted in Offensive holding penalty. But like I said, I don’t know who it was that cunningham beat.
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 31, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
How often is Damione Lewis making the D-line?
He’s an interesting case – I wonder if they’re going to use him as a sub-package nickel rusher and not use him often in the 3-4 at all. That’s something to keep an eye on, if you’re able to see practices – whether he’s a first-choice in the 40-front and whether he even makes the 30-front at all.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 31, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen him a couple times on the DL as and End.
I honestly don’t know what 30 front and 40 front is. Never heard of it till today. lol
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 31, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
3-4 = 30 front (3 D-linemen) and 40 front = 4-3 (4 D-linemen)
Cunningham projects as a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE, but he’s a fairly solid unit (McGinest-size) and the Pats occasionally used McGinest as a 3-4 DE even though he’s 30lbs+ lighter than Seymour or Warren. I was wondering whether they were running Cunningham at 3-4 DE, too (which would be surprising, but particularly interesting as a ploy against mobile QBs like Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers).
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 31, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, I missed the afternoon one
The morning featured Wilfork and the two Warrens too, and they looked good.
What I noticed at the morning practice was the defense was really together and fired up during the offense vs. defense plays near the end of practice. It was a good sign.
Keep the faith!
in the afternoon
it seemed like everything was going more for the offense. The DBs didn’t make any noticeable plays that wow’d anyone. Sanders got an INT, but it was because Zac Robinson overthrew his WR. Although that hit by McKenzie on Maroney was beastly. And Randy Moss was randy moss.
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
did maroney really look good in the morning?
he looked pretty good in the afternoon. But I only say that because I haven’t seen anything spectacular. Maybe he was very decisive, but I couldn’t exactly tell…
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by patriotguy2 on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

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