Patriots Lose Ty Warren For Season, Have Derrick Burgess Reinstated
by Greg Knopping on Aug 13, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
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PrintSome very bad and some very good news broke for the Patriots at around the same time this afternoon.
Today, the Patriots reinstated outside linebacker Derrick Burgess from the reserve/did not report list, promoting him to the active roster. To make room for Burgess, the team placed veteran defensive end Ty Warren on the injured reserve with a hip injury.
The news with Burgess is certainly positive. We don't know exactly what was going on with his situation, but we do know that he kept in touch with the Patriots organization as he mulled retirement. I don't think he would come back unless he was absolutely certain he would be ready to give 100% to the team.
If Burgess is ready to give 100%, then he becomes a big bonus for the Patriots pass rush. Heading into camp, I expected Burgess to start opposite Tully Banta-Cain in the 3-4 alignment. Now, I'm thinking Burgess goes back to his 2009 role as a top pass rusher in sub-packages and on third downs. Jermaine Cunningham has shown a lot as an every down outside linebacker and in pass coverage, so I think he may be the "starting" outside linebacker.
Although Burgess' presence could take away snaps from a young outside linebacker like Cunningham, it certainly gives the Patriots depth at the outside linebacker position, which is a positive. With Burgess in the fold, the Patriots have him, Cunningham, Banta-Cain, Pierre Woods, Rob Ninkovich, and Marques Murrell at the position. Murrell, Woods, and Ninkovich are presumably fighting for one or two roster spots.
While Burgess' reinstatement is a positive story, the team's loss of defensive end Ty Warren for the season is a very negative one. Ty Warren is the prototypical 3-4 left defensive end, and is one of the best run-stuffers in the business. Warren is under contract through 2012, but losing him is a blow both off the field/in the locker room, as well as on the field.
With Warren out, the Patriots will likely look to another defensive lineman with the same surname; veteran Gerard Warren. Gerard Warren played in Ty's spot with the starters last night, and he should hold that role in the regular season. Warren's injury makes it more likely that a young defensive lineman such as Kade Weston, Brandon Deaderick or Kyle Love make the squad. The Patriots could also use the presence of Ron Brace, who has yet to pass his physical and remains on the Active/PUP list.
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Well this is really dissapointing for warren.
When exactly did this injury happen?
Hopefully this will raise our motivation to get schoebel or ogunleye… or both… both would be good.
Not at all...
Neither of them have or can play the 3-4 DE position. I think Gerard is going to be great on one end, but we need Brace, Pryor, Wright or one of the young guys (Deaderick, Weston or Love) to step up and make something happen. Losing Ty sucks.
schoebel is not an option
he doesn’t want to come hear, period.
even if he does, do you have 10 million dollars
and what exactly is your source on that?
by beantownboy171 on Aug 13, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Schobel's got two main issues
He didn’t particularly want to play in a 3-4 as an OLB (which is why the Bills weren’t so much of an option) and he’d like to stay in Texas (he’s got a ranch there). He might play elsewhere, but he’d want a premium – Mike Reiss suggested $6M per year at least.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 13, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am confident in Wright. I liked how he played last season a lot.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
i think ...
the patriots will need to cut 1 or more older players from roster to hang on to their future potential talent so i would guess that one RB will get cut.
maybe holt could be a chop but i rather see them keep an experienced player like him around if it hoesn’t jeopardize losing young talent
i think if deaderick can bring it, ty warrens injury might have a nice silver lining for patriots
i think the patriots have enough talent to plug his hole
i see the so called fringe players to keep are
rookies
dane fletcher (versatile)
deaderick DE
thomas welch future OL
unless they feel they can be kept safely on practice squad
veterans
murrell OLB
ninkovich OLB
arrington DB
i don’t know enough about kyle love and kade weston yet
their patriots need another OL backup on case of another injury
the 2nd/3rd string offensive line didn’t do well …. we can’t interpret that to mean everyone on line didn’t do well … maybe someone looks at film closely and find out who the weak links were … rookies i will give a break to because they may not have enough technique
With Warren out for the entire season?
Definitely.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 13, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He's proving
he can really fit in… in the training facility. Cut him!
has he even passed the physical yet?
all I’ve read on Brace is he is seen peddling away on the stationary bike, which would mean he has not.
I'm not so sure about Thomas Welch
He had a few good blocks, but had at least three abysmal breakdowns in pass protection. He didn’t look much better against the run.
Obviously it’s one game, but first impressions count and his was not impressive.
by Greg Knopping on Aug 13, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
an elite talent without technique equals bad player
i think he needs some time with scarrnechia to correct things
given his past, i think welch will self corrct faster than most
until then welch will have to simmer on stove before we truly know what he can do
I saw better things...
…out of George Bussey than Welch. Welch will probably get a season on the practice squad.
by Richard Hill on Aug 13, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Bussey has year on him so understandable
I have Bussey behind Connolly and ahead of Ornhberger and Richards
They really need someone who can backup guard or tackle in case injury
they really need kaczur because he can be a really good starting guard and do some mediocre tackle
whereas mankins is just a guard
kaczur has versatility while mankins does not
we still don’t know if kaczur is all done
Bussey's a Tackle/Guard
Ohrnberger’s a Guard/Center. Between they two, that’s the bulk of the line covered, which means you might be able to carry a Tackle/TE like Welch.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 13, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
which is good
but for a superbowl run and rotation rest and prevent burnout, as season grinds on, it is good to be another man depth
if kaczur was around, i wouldn’t even consider welch necessary. h and larsen could just stay in background
I'm not sure
there are many teams out there anxious to scoop him up. You can only keep 53. He’s got practice squad written all over him.
they could sign him to their practice squad
and if you really got a stinky team, finding a roster spot should be easier
2nd string O-Line was awesome...
…with Bussey, Ohrnberger, Ghiaciuc, Larsen and LeVoir.
by Richard Hill on Aug 13, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
that's good to hear
because i thought i read where those were some of the players who didn’t do good
although i remember Larsen had very bad commentary … allowed 3 penetrations to QB
Larsen has practice squad written on him since i don’t think a team will pick him up unless their desperate for center
Who was responsible for Brady's sack last night?
I’d hold onto Welch and most OL and DL. The trench guys are always getting banged up: depth and system grooming go hand in hand. I would reduce the RB crew to 4 RB’s to add a lineman.
The NFL should increase the 53-man roster number: let’s say 60. Why not. The IR lists are growing each year. These guys really have few options if football ends early for them. Maybe the bottom 7 on every NFL roster are fixed salaries a minimum. Heck, it would keep another 224 guys in the NFL. I also think the practice squads should be untouchable by other teams unless they offer some agreed upon compensation: a draft pick or a player.
These are items the union should fight for … adding more players to the league. Keeping more dreams alive. Creating more opportunities for these rookies to get pro level coaching. Many might turn the corner very quickly with that type of support. It would improve the league by having better subs when injuries force teams to call back guys who are out of the league. Instead, we would see subs who are actually learning in the system.
The NFL should increase the 53-man roster number: let’s say 60. Why not.
Owners don’t want to pay another 7 guys at several hundred thousand dollars or more per year, each.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 13, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
True, for those players...
but for the other guys on the roster – it was only a $1m per year difference that turned Logan Mankins from a every-game lock at LG to a pissed-off holdout with a vendetta. It’s surprising how many contracts come down to a $1m difference on one side or the other, and ‘stealing’ $2.2m from the total pool might result in 2.2 Mankins-like disputes per year.
However, if the league institutes an 18-game season, I’d imagine the roster limits will have to be increased – more meaningful games = more injuries => need for more players, and the owners can’t complain, because the extra 2 games ought to result in more cash in the kitty to pay for those extra players.
It’s all contingent on the available cash to go round, and that in turn is dictated by the owner-union deal and the number of games per season that they negotiate to play.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 13, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
patriots have till sunday to notify jim and put him on exempt list
otherwise i think it is sayonara for mankins
increasing cap a couple million is easy
mankins has not got any letter yet
mankins and his agent are howling the nasties
I'm pleasantly surprised by Connolly
I’ve rated him as a player, but I thought his best quality was versatility – he plays LG, C, RG and goalline FB. But he looked like a legit LG starter, so I’m happy.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 13, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
cleveland wanted darryl richards on their roster but
the patriots gave darryl richards the 310K to stay and he chose to stay
btw … richards scored the highest out of any linemen in his draft class
i think he might have did it to get groomed by scarnachia
the Wonderlic isn't always the best measure of ability on the football field when action is needed
I’m sure if Obama took it he would score high, being a suma cum laud at Harvard, but look how lost he is in running the country (unless the whole thing is a Muslim ploy that he’s been in on the whole time).
he is not lost
he gets told what to do and say by the global govt like every other previous president
so make no mistake, he is not running anything
the group behind him are highly advanced and sophisticated and know exactly what they are doing.
Let's stay away from politics and religion.
by Richard Hill on Aug 14, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless we're voting to feed Rex Ryan to the lions?
That could get bipartisan support if anything could.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 14, 2010 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions
saw this lol
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
C'mon, there's no reason for that..
.. but i really hope it’s sarcasm.
correct me if im wrong but didn't mike wright play 3-4 lde in 2008 and looked really impressive
we could put G Warren @ RDE and Wright at LdE….also i think pyror should play 3-4 NT on passing downs
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
I like Wright,
But as a backup. He has been a solid backup. and in the games he’s started has at times played well, and at others shown why he’s a backup. He does have experience in the system, and that’s valuable, but unless he makes another leap in strength/skill, he is not an everyweek starter.
He doesn't exactly have to be in our system.
Wright and Deadrick can rotate on downs, as well as Myron Pryor.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
Money is not a possible negation for added roster spots.
The owners are wealthy. They have plenty of money.
The players union *should * make a larger roster [or a larger, protected practice squad] a top priority if they really want to take care of the players [present and future].
Keeping more players would provide more rookies the opportunity to have an NFL career, allow injured players more time to heal, and allow coaches the luxury of creating a farm system where young, raw talent can be groomed within a protected practice squad.
As someone else said, it’s pennies to do this for these owners. Yet, it serves the fans very nicely as it assures us of having better performances by the bench players when starters are lost to injury.
I really do not see any downside especially when you consider the upside of allowing an addition 224 rookies the opportunity to continue their dream as an NFL player. You could set a fixed salary at $50,000 per player for numbers 54 to 60: a random dollar figure for discussion purposes only.
OFF topic - Larry Bird's quote
I had to share this Bird comment with anyone who is a Boston Celtics fan but might have missed this quote. Bird’s retort to Jerry West’s diatribe about his Olympic Team vs the Dream Team.
Jerry West had talked about the difficult conditions his team faced 50 years ago in Rome, when the players were housed in dorms without air conditioning and had a $1 per diem.
"I don’t know who had the best team, but I know the team in 1960 was a hell of a lot tougher than we were," Bird said. "I couldn’t imagine the ’92 team getting in a covered wagon for eight days, going across the country, jumping in the Atlantic Ocean, swimming for six days, then walking 3,000 miles to the Coliseum in Rome for a dollar a day."
The Celtics – Lakers dislike goes back a long ways …
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