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Patriots Sink Falcons in Welker's Return, Win 28-10

ATLANTA - AUGUST 19:  Running back Fred Taylor #21 of the New England Patriots points to the crowd after his first quarter touchdown during the preseason game against the Atlanta Falcons at the Georgia Dome on August 19 2010 in Atlanta Georgia.  (Photo by Mike Zarrilli/Getty Images)

The Patriots have improved to 2-0 in the preseason following the 28-10 blowout win over the Atlanta Falcons.  

It was a solid overall performance for the Patriots, a victory that was marked by the return of Wes Welker, who officially returned to the football field just a little over seven months after tearing both his ACL and MCL.

Matt Ryan and the Atlanta Falcons offense got going early, hitting underneath routes against the Patriots defense, with an emphasis on tight end Tony Gonzalez, who showed he still is one of the best at his job in the league.  Eventually, the Patriots defense stiffened, and forced Matt Ryan to make a couple of bad throws, with the team settling for a field goal.

When the Patriots took the field for their first play, Wes Welker wasn't on the field.  However, on the team's second play, Wes was back.  And the Patriots didn't take any time to ease him into the offense.  On the first play, Wes caught a six yard hook.  When he was tackled, I held my breath, as Wes was hit at virtually every possible angle.  Play two, Wes again, this time on a 14 yard grab on a throw that was behind him.  On his third play, Wes was targeted on a screen and was rocked by Falcons defensive back Chris Owens.  Still, Wes popped right back up and was fine.  Welker played a total of six snaps, all on the team's first drive.

The first string offense moved the ball quite well.  Their opening drive, they marched down the field with a nice mix of run and pass, with the drive being capped off with a Fred Taylor touchdown run.  Taylor had a very good game, looking quick, powerful, and elusive as the team's starter.  He seems to have locked down a roster spot at this point.

While the offense had a three and out their second drive, on their third and final drive in the second quarter, Brady led the bunch down the field, and was helped by a roughing the kicker on Stephen Gostkowski.  The drive was capped off with a four yard touchdown grab by Aaron Hernandez, who showed great poise turning and catching the ball, while getting both feet in and holding onto the ball.  When all was said and done, the Patriots outscored the Falcons' first stringers 14-3.

The thing I really liked about the Patriots' offense was how they constantly were shifting personnel.  One play, the team would have three tight ends and the next, three receivers.  They switched backs, receivers, etc.  The Patriots will have a lot of versatility with their personnel with season.

I was really impressed with the play of the rookie tight ends.  Hernandez made four grabs, and looked really shifty after the catch.  I can't wait to see him in the regular season.  Rob Gronkowski made four grabs, and had a beautiful touchdown grab from Bryan Hoyer in the 4th quarter.  Hoyer threw a beautiful ball towards the endzone, and Gronkowski used his size to extend and bring the ball down.

Other players that played well on offense included Dan Connolly, Kevin Faulk, Brandon Tate, and Sammy Morris.  Once again, the Patriots 2nd string offensive line seemed to struggle in both pass protection and run blocking.  It seemed that Brian Hoyer was constantly throwing with pressure in his face, a big reason why he was only 8/15.  While the line did open some holes for the ground game, there were too many plays where backs were caught in the backfield with nowhere to go due to breakdowns up front.

Defensively, the first string defensive line didn't play all too well, not getting much push, and playing relatively quietly.  The Patriots' second string defensive line played a lot better.  Brandon Deaderick had a very solid game, along with Myron Pryor.  But defensively, the story of the day may have been the play of Ron Brace.  Brace lined up at left end, and was really solid.  He got some quarterback pressures, picked up three tackles, and forced a fumble that was recovered by Tyrone McKenzie (who also had a solid day).

In the defensive backfield, Pat Chung had another good game.  He really flies all over the field, and made a couple of big hits.  I really like what I've seen from Chung so far, although he still needs to work on his coverage.  Jonathan Wilhite also had a solid game, coming up with an interception, but looked solid in coverage as well.  Patriots 1st round pick Devin McCourty looked like a first round pick.  He absolutely shut down Roddy White on one play, and made a couple of plays in run support.

As for the linebackers, there wasn't much spectacular play today.  Brandon Spikes was quiet, as was the recently reinstated Derrick Burgess.  Jerod Mayo had a few tackles and looked pretty quick out there.  Eric Alexander made some plays, as did Tyrone McKenzie.  Rob Ninkovich got in on the pass rush, including a nice sack of John Parker Wilson.

On special teams, Zoltan Mesko was booming punts today, and had a very good overall game.

Overall, a great game for the Patriots.  While it's just a preseason game, I think the team has a lot to be excited about, particularly with the addition of Wes Welker to the offseason tonight.  The Patriots will return home to play the Rams in their third preseason game next Thursday night. 

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A mid to low A

The team looked good. Still some work to do on defense, but hopefully we play a bit less of bend don’t break as the season goes on.

Overall though, a solid performance on the road.

by Ethan Hammerman on Aug 19, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

A road win

Preseason, but a road win nonetheless. I’ll take it. Again, lots of positives to take away from this on offense and defense.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 19, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Who were our starting OLBs?

Murrel and Burgess?

I saw most pressure come from our DL, but then again, I didn’t really pay much attention to the OLBs(curse me!).

I do like McCourty a lot now. He destroyed Roddy White, and that is not easy. But this is pre-season, and I can’t exactly say that McCourty is already a darrel revis or asomugha. He is reminding me a bit of Ty Law though. A bit.

Chung still needs to work on coverage a bit, but he made big plays(awesome screen pass read? Check.)

Meriweather made a nice pass breakup on Gonzalez.

Our Spikes Mayo combo still looks sweet.

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

Down with Big Brother!

by patriotguy2 on Aug 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

If McCourty can own Peyton Manning the way Ty Law did

than I’dd be VERY happy.

On the other hand, if Jared Odrick totally destroys the Patriots interior OL twice a season, I’m going to be…annoyed. Very annoyed…

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its disappointing that we cant have it all!!!

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Aug 19, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's even more disappointing

that Bill Parcells reads the pre-draft posts on this site lol

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen!

Next time I’m going to talk up some workout warriors…

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next time

the Patriots will get McCourty. And Koa Misi. And Jared Odrick.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2011 draft is FULL of 3-4 DEs and OLBs

There’s a whole bunch of 6’5"+ 300+lbers, and about as many 6’4"+ 250lb OLBs. It’s great.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 19, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

in all likely hood there will be a rookie salary cap so we can USE all of those HIGH picks, and have a stacked D for years to come.

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Aug 19, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chances are, the Dolphins will take as many of them as they can...

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty likely that we’ll have a pick above them though

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Aug 19, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parcells will find a way to one-up anyway

Don’t underestimate his skills on draft day…

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

BB learned from the best

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Aug 19, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grab the Raiders first round selection?

Check.

Dupe the 49ers into giving up a high draft choice, and pull Jerod Mayo out of the deal?

Check.

Essentially trade Asante for a CB with tackling abilities?

Check.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft the

best QB ever in the 6th round
Check.

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Aug 19, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Send Drew Bledsoe to a division rival to emphasize that best QB ever?

CHECK!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

Learning from the best then becoming the best
CHECK!!!

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Aug 20, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

pick up a 4th rd pick for moss and a 2nd rd and 7th rd pick for wes

check

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 20, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those moves were sheer brilliance.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 20, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 20, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was extremely impressed today

starters looked very solid and out backups looked good to. im hoping we can keep that balance on offense. heres to hoping taylor and morris stay healthy this season. on the defensive side id like to see a more consistent rush on the qb. but baby steps i guess

by MOSS81 on Aug 19, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i concur 100 percent

BB theory has always been to assemble the best 53 man roster as possible. thats why we as fans dont always get the hard decisions he has to make sometimes. he has to make some tough decisions on some players to be able to sign all his players to a decent contract. just sign brady thats all.

by brady12mvp3 on Aug 20, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'll let his top guys walk...

if it means he can keep three or four mid-level players around. The Colts do it the other way around. Both work, but it definitely means the Pats can survive injuries more easily.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 20, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 is the best example.

If the same thing (star QB going down to injury in Q1 of Game 1), the Colts’ season is over. The team is built AROUND Manning’s excellence. The Patriots are not built around one single player, and (in theory) every player is replaceable. Obviously, Brady is quite a few notches better than Cassel, but the team didn’t fall apart because there was still solid talent all over the roster.

by nbradley07 on Aug 21, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Steelers do the same as the Colts...

and no Polamalu = tanked season.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 21, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

my only worry is the depth on the OL

everywhere else, we have great depth. And our starting OL looks good.

I’m still a little worried about quality of the bench OL – though in truth, in the regular season you never see all those guys out there like in preseason. In the regular season the bench linemen are rotated in with the starters. ’Still presents the potential for a bad man-2-man mismatch on occasion, of course.

Other than that, my only concern is edge containment on defense – but that’s always something BB has been willing to compromise on so I don’t see it as a huge problem.

by mmmmm on Aug 20, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the regular season the bench linemen are rotated in with the starters

Not as often as you’d imagine – check the snap counts of Logan Mankins and you’ll find he rarely came off the field. If and when they are put on, it’s often in low-leverage snaps – 2nd-and-3 at midfield, that kind of thing.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 20, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg, did you remember to turn of injuries on Franchise mode?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys on IR stay on IR

But I thought Richard Sey-no-mour once escaped IR. Once. I’m still not sure how it happened.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys whipped us, plain and simple

Nice game. Enjoy the season.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 20, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Good luck with this season

I can’t thank Ryan and Gonzalez enough for beating the Jets last season.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 20, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice chatting with you.

Hope your guy heals.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hernandez and Tate looked awesome tonight

But my hat’s off to Morris for the long 3rd-down TD run. Hopefully the Pats can maintain a balanced attack this season.

And as for Welker…well, he looks ready to play. I don’t know how he did it, but welcome back.

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 20, 2010 1:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Mostly ignoring pain, I assume.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jonathan Wilhite also had a solid game, coming up with an interception, but looked solid in coverage as well.

nooooo…..i wanted him to be cut

also joe buck said tom brady looks dreamy.

and light and vollm….look like brothers

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 20, 2010 4:26 AM EDT reply actions  

watching brace and deadrick together on tv

they look like they have been hitting the home town buffet a lot

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 20, 2010 4:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Question about Darius Butler

Atlanta didn’t throw at him AT ALL in the first half. Was that because of good coverage or Ryan just not looking over there? I, unfortunately, think it was the latter, though I’m sure his coverage was fine and he was manned up on White for part of the game (when McCourty was on Finneran.)

DMac looked good, though he looked better when he played up, which hopefully we do more of.

by Ethan Hammerman on Aug 20, 2010 6:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it's safe to say

That Ryan DID look to Tony G. like Brady looked to Welker last year. So i think it’s possible that he really didn’t challenge our CBs like he should have. Or maybe it was a good idea not to.

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

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by patriotguy2 on Aug 20, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tom Brady

looks like he is on a mission this year. i love the commitment to the running game so far this preseason if we can run when we need to run our offense will be unstopable. on defense we played sound bend but dont break defense clamp down once the team gets near scoring position. i would like to see more plays on the ball though but all in all a good game stuff to build on. chung looks real good he is right there on mos plays pretty soon he will be there 1 sec quicker and making plays on the ball. fred taylor looked really really good hope he stays healthy and keeps it up.

by brady12mvp3 on Aug 20, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't all that impressed.

The game felt like fool’s gold. They shot themselves in the foot with stupid penalties (especially the bad call on the field goal miss) Our front seven didn’t get enough pressure on the qb and they moved the ball pretty well. The offense looked good though. I love the two new tight ends.

by CelticPride on Aug 20, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The blitzes didn't seem very effective.

They got to Ryan good once on a third down, but otherwise Ryan seemed able to read and react to blitzes and get off really strong throws before rushers got anywhere near him. A few of those throws were dropped/missed because they were a little rushed, but for the most part Ryan really seemed to operate well under what could only be characterized as mediocre pressure.

Then again, Ryan is a great young QB, and not every guy under center is going to react as well to #55 flying into the backfield. For example, I can’t imagine Sanchez making those high-pressure throws as accurately and with as much zip as Ryan.

The “bend-don’t-break” scheme is really what we should be impressed with here, though. The D really stood solid in and near the red zone, with strong pass coverage and “good enough” pass rush. That’s always been the hallmark of Belichick’s best Ds, and it looks like we’re seeing a return to those fundamentals with these young players this year. On a related note, it was GREAT to see BB getting so involved with the players on the sideline. He’s always been hands on, but I think we’re seeing it on a whole new level this season. Some say he’s overstretched, but I believe that the more time a young guy spends absorbing BB’s football wisdom, the better.

by nbradley07 on Aug 20, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought we pressured ryan a bit more than we think.

There were times that ryan threw the ball a split second before Brandon Spikes was there. I seen their pocket collapse quickly at times as well, but ryan was able to get it off quickly mainly because of all those underneath throws that were there and open, particularly ones to Anthony Gonzalez.

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by patriotguy2 on Aug 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

I guess the headline of my post belies my actual thought on the subject. The pressure was “good enough,” which is all it needs to be. It was good enough to force errant throws, or throws that went to the receiver before the receiver was ready. The coverage was there on those early or errant throws, making it nearly impossible to make a completion. Everyone does their job. It works nicely.

by nbradley07 on Aug 20, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Folks need to keep in mind that ATL's offensive line is actually very, very good.

A little credit should be served to the other team.

I actually thought Brace did a decent job forcing pressure, all things considered.

But this defense isn’t really about sacks. Its about preventing penetration up the middle and preventing big plays downfield. And they have looked really good at thos two things these first two games.

by mmmmm on Aug 20, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was a good game for the Pats.

by SWS on Aug 20, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Roster depth and the TE's spell dominance.

There is every reason to expect the PATS to win every game this season.

The two and three TE sets add a huge dimension to this offense – though hard to imagine the PATS improving on their 2007 offensive performance, I do think this team can. It might fall short in the TD and overall points categories, but time of possession and field position may be the two telling stats this season.

L-o-n-g, time consuming, mixed run & pass drives culminating in TD’s will go a long way toward allowing the defense to mature and improve without being faced with game saving stops resting on every play in the second half.

The TE’s contributons on offense this season will be unparalleled by any other team. The blocking that Crump and Gronk do for run plays is awesome. The receiving skills of all three TE’s is amazing. Hernandez and Gronkowski miror the outlet and slant passes that Welker and Edelman offer, and they do so as much bigger targets.

by couchpotato on Aug 20, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't go soooo far as to say that.

I expect the Patriots have a CHANCE to win each individual game, that they have to tools to compete with every team on their schedule this season (unlike, say, the Bills, Browns, Bucs and Lions). But football is a game of inches, and more often than we like to admit, those few critical inches are determined by where a ref thinks the ball’s forward progress stopped, even though the ref couldn’t see the ball because 21 guys were on top of the ball carrier. There’s an element of luck involved, and even the best teams can fall victim to some bad luck. A little bad luck won’t hurt you when you’re better prepared and more focused, or when you’re a clearly better team, but when you’re going up against a team that’s your equivalent or better, you usually can’t afford for the ball not to bounce your way at least a couple of times. The Pats aren’t out-matching anyone this year like they did in 2007 – 2010’s wins will be hard fought, and its losses probably equally hard fought.

by nbradley07 on Aug 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rate their potential far more than a "Chance"

to win every game, though you do make very good points – especially the element of luck playing into all of this.

Examples: Patten ruled out of bounds against Buffalo when he fumbled. The interpretation of the “Tuck Rule” going the PAT’s way. Bledsoe’s falling to the ground, hail mary flip against the Steelers not being intercepted prior to his TD pass to Patten.

Lady luck has been on the PAT’s side on several key occasions. And, of course, it has abandoned them at other times.

All this aside, I think this team thus far is demonstrating a better balance on offense than 2007. And, a big feature of their two scrimmages thus far has been clock use. Longer drives, mixing in an equal number of runs, multiple player subsitutions, and far greater use of the TE’s will all contribute to the reduced need for luck as a factor. Sure, it will still be called upon, but their ability to grind out yards and first downs with three TE sets is more favorable than 15+ yard tosses to Moss every other play.

The risk factor thus far has been significantly lower on each play call.

Barring injuries to key players, I’d be surprised if they don’t win 13 games minimum. If the PATS are healthy and the play calling continues down this present pathway, games will come down to the QB and execution. You have Manning, Palmer, and Rivers as the only comparable threats to Brady. That’s the elite tier. Beyond those three, the PATS have a distinct advantage at QB. IMHO, that’s 13 wins minimum.

by couchpotato on Aug 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with most everything except ...

the “interpretation of the tuck rule going the Pat’s way” was not a matter of luck.

The rule is the rule.

by mmmmm on Aug 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pats have a hell of a schedule.

Overall, I’m impressed with what the Pats have seemingly managed to put together, but keep in mind it’s still the preseason, and we haven’t seen these young guys implement a game plan, yet. This week against the Rams should be our first taste of how well Spikes, McCourty, et al respond to team-specific coaching.

I think 11-5 is realistic, and 12-4 would be impressive. 13-3 would be quite a feat, given the strength of schedule. That would mean the Pats would basically have to win every single “winnable” game (i.e. against the Lions, Bills, Browns, etc.), and win most of the real tough matchups (Ravens, Colts, Chargers, Vikings, Dolphins [who they almost always manage to lose to at least once a year]). Also, we can’t write off games as Ws games against the Steelers and Bengals – both strong teams.

by nbradley07 on Aug 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, the voice of reason....

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 20, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dolphins [who they almost always manage to lose to at least once a year])

That’s late season games in Miami. This year that aspect of the schedule is in the Patriots favor. October in Miami vs. NE isn’t so bad. January in NE is a gimme.

by pablum257 on Aug 20, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

OL is still an injury away from a real problem

they need another lunch pail guard

but more important, they need another half decent tackle

both for depth and insurance in case of injuries

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

That’s my main remaining concern as well.

by mmmmm on Aug 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't say ...

… the pats are superbowl contenders because of that

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope the pats dont win every game this season

now i would gladly take a 13-3 or 14-2 or even a 12-4. (11-5 or 10-6 more realistic) but i really do not want another undefeated season it just adds pressure that is not needed.

by brady12mvp3 on Aug 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

OH YEAH

REALLY STRESSFUL

I don’t mind them going 7-0 since the last half of the season is a real smash’em pounder and grinder

After that, please lose one except against the jets, miami or buffalo.

when you get to 7-0 … every team is coming out on all cylinders and gunning for you

since there are so many teams on patriots schedule thinking they have a chance for superbowl, it will get even rougher for even the best teams …

the most important and critical wins are against division rivals … don’t even take buffalo lightly

i think the rule of thumb is – only think of an undefeated season if the team gets to 14-0

before that, it will be a relief to a few games

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

before that, it will be a relief to lose a few games

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm....

so, if they start off, say, 7-0, are you going to root against them in game 8?

That would be at Cleveland, if that matters.

Me? I’m going to root for them to win every single game.

I believe I can put up with the ‘stress’ of a perfect season if I need to. There are far worse things to have to endure! :-D

by mmmmm on Aug 20, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have a lot of powerhouse teams that they will face

one after another … so if they lose against one of those, it will not be as negative

with teams like cleveland … they better not look a gift horse in the mouth

take the win and run

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

about the sack of TB

I didn’t get a chance to see that play …was it a glaring weakness teams wil pick up on or a fluky breakdown?

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by gandalf3rings on Aug 20, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

He made a pump fake, but he pump faked at a bad time(the pocket was literally UP AGAINST him)

and as he tried to throw it, he got sacked. I saw it coming right when he made the pump fake.

Just bad blocking, and brady taking too much time caused the sack. No glaring weakness that I saw, just mistake.

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by patriotguy2 on Aug 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

first time ive seen a bad block by vollmet

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 20, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad block...

by Vollmer basically shoved the rusher into Brady.

by pablum257 on Aug 20, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might've been sucked in by the pump-fake, too?

I didn’t see the play

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 20, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn't the only bad block...

Gronkowski whiffed on a block which resulted in a rusher hitting Taylor hard in the backfield.

by pablum257 on Aug 20, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rookies are rookies

Which is why I’d still think Alge Crumpler is in the box seat for the starting gig, at least the first part of the season.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 20, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

During my re-watch – several poor blocks by Gronk. He may have to sit before he plays significant time.

by McGarry on Aug 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crumps had many, many NFL reps, so he's good there.

This is the time to get reps for the youngsters.

Having said that, I believe Crump will be featured in Game 3 along with Maroney.

Brace may get some 1st string reps (though I think they’ll be limited).

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think maybe Brace and Wright will split some reps with the 1st team at End.

I have a feeling that RBs similar to Fred Taylor(ie. quick cutting, with speed and toughness) have more success with our current OL than backs like Maroney(ie. not VERY quick cutting, has some speed, and more toughness).

Back with Dillon, I believe we had a different type of OL with different skill sets. Like I believe Maroney will be better off in Oakland since their run blocking is more “attacking with strength” than "attacking with strength/finesse).

I hope Maroney does well, but unless I see something different about him in terms of how he runs(I’m not talking about dancing. Talking about being more quick in finding an area in our OL), I can see him having trouble behind our OL.

I hope you know what I’m talking about. lol

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by patriotguy2 on Aug 21, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Kraft decides to send Maroney to Oakland

we’d better get a first round pick or John Clay out of the deal…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say it because I felt Maroney was the best back.

Bill said he was going to feature different backs in different games. The way I see it:

Game 1: Law Firm 1st Part, Maroney 2nd Part
Game 2: Taylor 1st Part, Morris 2nd Part
Game 3 (the closest to regular season): Maroney 1st Part, Uncertain 2nd Part
Game 4: Morris 1st Part, Uncertain 2nd Part

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 21, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. I was just giving my thoughts on him.

My expectations for him are a 800+ yard season with 8+ TDs.

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by patriotguy2 on Aug 21, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

mayve it should be pyror and the other Warren @ LDE and Wright @ RDE w. Deadrick

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 21, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but I think Brace sees time with the starters.

Just a hunch.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 21, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was great to see the team playing well as a whole unit DEF and OFF

I had a chance to watch both sides of the spectrum this past week when I watched the Lions vs Steelers and then the PATS game. The Patriots looked great! Patrick Chung: did an excellent job which gives me the jollies! Fred Taylor: made me a believer. Mccourty : “he is what they say he was!” Aaron Hernandez: secret weapon , and the 2 slot machines! Do I need to go on? I know it preseason, but I have a feeling we are going to have a great time being a Patriots fan this year! I have a cheese grin right now!

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by Yardpenalty.com on Aug 20, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe in the line coaching and the system.

They have plenty of depth on the OL. Bussey and Ohrnberger know the system. They have been getting coaching for two years running in this system. My feeling is that all of these guys can and will step up if they are asked to do so. I really do feel that is the case.

I would like to see Ohrnberger start next game and play between Koppen and Vollmer: or between Koppen and Light. I really think he would do just fine. I think it is unfair to assess these guys when they play as a second unit. Inserted into the starting line-up creates a much different environment – one that any one of these guys can shine within.

Tackle is the concern. Welch is not ready, and Kaczur’s absence is problematic.

by couchpotato on Aug 20, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

well ...

Ohrnberger is destined to be a substitution at best because he just doesn’t have the physicals especially arm length

That arm length is so important to excelling at that position

Situation 1: Matt Light gets season ending injury

Situation 2: Another Center or Guard gets injured and out for many games

What is plan for those situations ?

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Ohrnberger also looks tiny in the middle of the line.

Just doesnt appear to pass the eyeball test inheight and weight, noticeable during the plays Connolly went into the backfield and Ohrn came in at LG.

by McGarry on Aug 21, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

so was neal when he first came to NE in 2001

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 21, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i re read what you wrote and missed the last sentence

yes, tackle is main concern

the thing i like about ohrnberger is that he plays both center and guard but not sure he could handle starting

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a good idea

start ohrnberger to test him more to see if he can cut it

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the new playing chart on the falcon's game from espn.com:

TE Rob Gronkowski – 44 of 65
TE Aaron Hernandez – 43 of 65
WR Taylor Price – 36 of 65
WR Sam Aiken - 32 of 65
QB Brian Hoyer – 32 of 65
WR Brandon Tate – 29 of 65
QB Tom Brady – 27 of 65
TE Alge Crumpler – 23 of 65
RB Fred Taylor – 20 of 65
WR Randy Moss – 20 of 65
RB Sammy Morris – 18 of 65
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis – 16 of 65
RB Thomas Clayton – 8 of 65
TE Carson Butler – 6 of 65
WR Julian Edelman – 6 of 65
RB Kevin Faulk – 6 of 65
QB Zac Robinson – 6 of 65
WR Wes Welker – 6 of 65
TE Rob Myers – 4 of 65
WR Rod Owens – 4 of 65
WR Buddy Farnham – 2 of 65
FB Dan Connolly – 1 of 65
FB Ryan Wendell – 1 of 65

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by patriotguy2 on Aug 20, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's more from the page:

ANALYSIS: For the second week in a row, the Patriots two impressive rookie tight ends top the playtime chart. This reflects how the coaching staff is integrating them into the offense and getting them as comfortable as possible. Both had impressive touchdown catches. … Rookie receiver Taylor Price played four first-half snaps before hardly leaving the field in the second half. … Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Alge Crumpler, Fred Taylor and Kevin Faulk played the first three series.

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by patriotguy2 on Aug 20, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taylor Price needs more practice catches. He is 1 out of 4 for 7 yards

by prioris on Aug 20, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

There were some good plays

that weren’t mentioned:

McKenzie crushing receivers into dropping the ball…at least twice. I seem to recall a near interception once. He got some other good hits in too.

Tate, I think, blocking on one of the runs and taking out two defenders at once.

by pablum257 on Aug 20, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope we see Price featured in game 3.

I also hope we see McKenzie and Soikes start while Mayo subs in game 3. Let’s really hope we see Cunningham play or else I fear we’re looking at a concern regarding his present injry … major red flag!

by couchpotato on Aug 20, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone notice McKenzie on special teams?

I’m not sure which of the four special teams units he’s playing on (if any). If he’s not likely to win a starting ILB position outright, I’d have thought he should be looking at upping his snap count on special teams, and his college career suggests he has talent in them (including a rare blocked kick).

Any sightings?

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 20, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

i think you can watch the replays on nfl.com

pretty sure

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 20, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I caught those, thanks

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 21, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

the entire game or just replays?

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 21, 2010 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The replays

I caught most of the important plays. I’m not so sure watching the third-string DE against the third-string OT matters so much in the long-run.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 21, 2010 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't notice Mckenzie on special teams....

…..but i thought he had a solid game, some good tackles. Good to see Brace out there, played pretty well, and almost 3/4 of the game, so his conditioning couldn’t have been that bad. Makes me think he had a minor leg injury that was just bad timing so he couldn’t do the conditioning test. Chung was very active, and McCourty looked very good, in both pass coverage, and run stoppage.
    Also have to say that Aikman and Buck were very informed about the Pats, knew all the injury concerns, especially on the d-line, and other areas.

by furiousd on Aug 21, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brace's big play wasn't as impressive once I looked at it

He was by far the slowest D-lineman off the mark – he was half a step behind the other two. He was slow into his marks, but that meant he got a free shot at the RB as he cut back. I did like Brace’s tackling position, and he launched into it with a bit of fire, but that slow snap reaction wasn’t something I exactly delighted in seeing.

In short: good tackle technique. Bad initial reaction time.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 21, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think the key with brace is ...

just needs to play without thinking too much …

he definitely has the physical part ….

any player that needs to think too much at their position is dead meat

the technique, read and playbook need to become second nature

brace admitted to being a little rusty …

making many mistakes with hand placement and techniques …

he also said he has to get use to playing with pads

i can see brace being slowed down in first game

good news …. he said that was fixable with a little more practice …

so i think in the next two games we should see what progress he has made

by prioris on Aug 21, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

CB Kyle Arrington just a pure BEAST of a hitter!

I’m sold..the kid hits like there’s no tomorrow!

by B55 on Aug 21, 2010 1:53 AM EDT reply actions  

He's my token Pats Pulpit writer man-crush

If I only get one a year, I’m using it on Arrington. The kid’s a gamer. I predict at least one game-changing special teams play from a big hit he puts on – a fumble forced, most likely.

Go back and check the playoff game from 2009 – Arrington forced that fumble and recovery that got the Pats back in the game after they were whomped in the first quarter by the Ravens. He sparked the only hope in that whole game. You can’t help but like guys who save their best for playoffs.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 21, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

he has a strong safety mentality in a cb body

damn he was impressive last night

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 21, 2010 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's great, because I've been harping on about him for ages now.

Mike Reiss was the first guy on the Edelman-as-WR bandwagon, and I give him props for that. I claim Arrington!

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 21, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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