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Who Should the Patriots Pay?

The Patriots and Logan Mankins are not close to reaching an agreement that would bring the left guard into the fold for this season. Mankins feels promises were broken, and the Patriots owe him a better contract than they have offered. Neither side has been willing to blink first. New England often takes a hard line in these negotiations, allowing talented players (Adam Vinatieri, Asante Samuel, Deion Branch) to leave the team rather than pay what they demand. The Patriots have also given generous contracts to players who they felt were worth it (Richard Seymour, Randy Moss, Vince Wilfork). There is no question Logan Mankins is one of the best guards in the game, and to some teams he would be worth $8m per year or more. However a salary cap makes it impossible to have the highest-paid player at every position. If the Patriots feel that is too much to pay for a guard, then where else do they see that money going? Here we examine players scheduled to become free agents after the 2010 season and determine who may be worth the investment.

Tom Brady, Quarterback, age 33
Brady is the first priority. He is going to get a new contract, likely during the regular season. Robert Kraft may announce it just before the start of the season to excite the fans, or he may wait until after a tough Patriots loss to bring morale back up. This deal is extremely important for the future of the franchise, and will probably be in the $100m over 6 years range. That's a lot of money, but it will be well spent. Brady plays the most important position in the game, and is the face of the franchise. He has recovered from the knee injury, and seems determined to bring a winning mentality to the team. I don't buy any of the nonsense about him "going Hollywood ," or becoming soft. The fact is Brady gives the Patriots a better chance of winning the Super Bowl than any other player they could trade for or draft. He has taken reduced contracts and restructured deals to help the Patriots in the past, and he deserves his payday (as much as any person deserves to make upwards of $15m per year).
Verdict: Pay him.

Stephen Gostkowski, Kicker, age 26
When Vinatieri, hero of numerous playoff games including two Super Bowls, was demanding to be the highest-paid kicker in the game the Patriots let him go - to the Colts no less. This controversial move proved to be a wise one as Adam's replacement, Stephen Gostkowski, has quickly matured into a top NFL kicker. Now Gostkowski is coming to a similar crossroads. This season he is being paid approximately $1.7m as a restricted free agent, and can hit the open market in 2011. Back in February the Raiders agreed to pay Sebastian Janikowski $4m per year for the next four years. That's a better salary than Chris Johnson will receive from the Titans this season. Gostkowski probably will not demand quite that much, but he should expect somewhere in the vicinity of $3m annually. That represents a huge jump from his rookie contract, and the Patriots will have to decide whether he is worth it, or if they should try for success again in the draft. In my view, the Patriots got lucky with Gostkowski. I think they will go for the known quantity and reach an agreement on a long-term deal.
Verdict: Pay him.

Star-divide

Matt Light, Left Tackle, age 32
Matt Light has been a quality left tackle for the Patriots his entire career. He has performed admirably both as a run blocker and pass protector. Light has good technique and strength, but occasionally speedy defensive ends and outside linebackers can take advantage of him. He is not an elite player, but has held down a very important and difficult position, protecting Tom Brady and helping make the Patriots offensive line consistently one of the better units in the NFL. Matt is now 32 years old, and nearing the end of his career. The Patriots have certainly got their money's worth from him, and have the promising Sebastian Vollmer waiting to step in as a replacement. Right tackle Nick Kaczur signed a three-year contract extension in the offseason, likely making Light the odd man out. Unless he is willing to come back for a short-term, reduced rate contract, the Patriots should thank him for his services and allow him to sign with another team.
Verdict: Let him go.

Randy Moss, Wide Receiver, age 33
The three-year, $30m contract Moss signed after his record-breaking 2007 season is in its final year. $10m/season is currently the benchmark for receivers in the NFL, and Moss will seek to match, if not top that. He is still one of the premier players at his position, and has shown no sign of decline. Yet. Jerry Rice continued to put up huge numbers late in his career, and it is conceivable that Moss could play at a high level for another two, three, possibly even four years. Maybe. Marvin Harrison had a steep decline, partially due to injury. Torry Holt was a lock for 80 receptions and 1,100 yards per season until suddenly he wasn't. There is no guarantee with aging receivers. I have little doubt that Moss enjoys playing in New England, and would love to keep catching Tom Brady passes until he retires. However, we know Brady will still be a great quarterback without him. He was before, and he can be again. Assuming the reinstatement of the salary cap, the Patriots can't afford to put over $25m a season in the Brady/Moss basket. While Moss is worth $10m/year based on talent alone, the risk is too great. I think the Patriots will offer him a contract they feel is fair, and Moss will politely turn it down and get a mega-deal elsewhere. I hope an agreement can be reached because Moss is a lot of fun to watch, but my feeling is this will be his last year as a Patriot.
Verdict: Let him go. (sniff)

Running Backs: Fred Taylor, 34, Sammy Morris, 33, Laurence Maroney, 25, Kevin Faulk, 34, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, 25
All five of the Patriots main running backs will be free agents after this year, and my guess is no more than three of them will be back for 2011. I think who those are will be influenced by how well the Patriots perform this season, and if they win the Super Bowl. I could see Taylor and Morris deciding to go out on top if that happens. Retirement is also a possibility for Kevin Faulk, although he is such a perfect fit for the team that he may be a Patriot until he's 40. Laurence Maroney I expect will take a low-end deal to remain with the team, unless some miraculous offer comes his way. Green-Ellis' situation is the hardest to predict. He has not been afforded too many opportunities with all the talented veterans ahead of him on the depth chart, but for the most part he has done a good job when given the chance. I would offer him a minimum deal or slightly better, but no more.
My thinking on this position is influenced by the fact that I suspect the Patriots will draft a talented running back in 2011, and he will be the main ballcarrier in the future. They will likely surround that player with a capable committee of specialists who can fulfill goal-line, blocking, kick return and third down duties. In this scenario I see only Faulk and Maroney coming back, and low-priced veterans or rookies rounding out the position. Generally the Patriots committee approach is a productive one, and helps reduce the risk of injury, but having an explosive running back changes how defenses play against you. With a number of high picks, and the possibility of a rookie wage scale in place, the time is right to add a playmaker to the backfield.
Verdict: Let them go. I don't support paying serious money to any of these players, but if they are willing to sign team-friendly contracts I would welcome up to three of them back. My order of preference would be Faulk, Maroney, Taylor, Green-Ellis, Morris.

Logan Mankins, Guard, age 28
The situation with Mankins was partially addressed earlier, but my opinion is that the damage has been done. Both sides know what the other wants, and neither is willing to offer it. I would try to trade him before the season starts. Spending $8m per year on a guard is not the best way to construct a competitive squad, especially if the relationship between that player and the team is seriously damaged.
Verdict: Let him go.

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Well Said.

Jahri Evans gets 8 Mil but lets remember the Saints just WON the superbowl. While Evans is probably worth the 8 million, it was partly a reward for the superbowl victory. 6.5 Million is pretty respectable for a fairly young offensive lineman and would put him in the top bracket of Guards. I really don’t see his beef. If anyone is at fault, its his idiot Agent for pulling this crap.

by cmdpsu15 on Aug 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

plus

Evans got 4th round money when he signed unlike mankins

by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given draft next year, I predict Patriot OL player log jam next year

I think the Patriots will bring in OL upgrades next draft especially right tackle (volmer moving to left tackle) so Matt Light is on chopping block. Any OL player who doesn’t develop fast enough on PS this year will be on chopping block. Welch’s ability to learn fast will come in handy. Kaczur has serious durability problems.

by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Patriots older veteran line scares me

after the giants defense demolished the patriots OL in 2007 superbowl, i could never trust the OL line in a superbowl after that. I’m waiting for them to be replaced.

i remember the NO defense belting vikings favre all over the place. i could see that happening to brady although i have confidence that G-force and crumpler will be strong blockers.

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by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I fault the Giant's loss on play calling.

Any DL will reach the QB when they are allowed to pin back their ears and bull rush. If O’Brien play calls this season with the creativity and balance he has shwon in these first two games, there is no DL that will make the impact the Giants did in that game.

That said, it is absolutely time that BB drafts about four OL with the hope that one or two are long term keepers.

I also feel that a bonifide RB next draft would help the OL as well. His presence would add more bite to the play action which, in turn, slows the rush.

by couchpotato on Aug 25, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Playcalling was deer-in-the-headlights. We didn’t do anything to plant a seed of doubt in the NYG front four — they teed off. That said, our RG had a nightmare day that sunday.

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by JohnHannahRules on Aug 25, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the RT then the LT, then the C and then the LG

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 26, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two differences:

1) See what kind of contract Moss wants. If he’ll take $7-8M for three years, pay him. If he wants the mega-contract, we have to hope Tate and Price can be good enough. But with the two of them, Welker, Edelman, and (for the love of God, just get them involved!) the renewed use of the TEs in the passing game, we can afford to let him go.

2) What kind of money does Faulk want? If he’ll take a reasonable contract for the third down specialist role he really ought to be filling come next year, pay him. You’re going to have to sign at least one free agent RB and draft at least one rookie anyway, but especially for the rookies, it would be great to have Faulk around for a year or two.

And re: Gostkowski, didn’t the Pats use the franchise tag on Vinatieri at least once before they let him go? They did pay him for at least one year. In the end, though, you just can’t afford to tie up too much of the cap in your kicker, not if you can find someone almost as good for less money. Fortunately, Gostkowski has turned out to be better than Vinatieri over the last several years.

by RSNexile on Aug 25, 2010 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

gostkowski got tendered this year

RB will be a dime a dozen since patriots will not likely get top 12 pick. i would have liked gerhart,

Faulk says he will retire a patriot so money is not really an issue with him.

8 million for randy moss is good for another 2 years … if he doesn’t discount, i would let him go … what’s an extra couple million in the bank anyway

by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

raiders are def bottom 18

i would say 6-10 tops for them prob 5-11. al davis is still alive .

by brady12mvp3 on Aug 25, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn’t hold my breath for it to happen

if it happens … great
if not … oh well

by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their draft this year was surprisingly good

They still have issues in the trenches (mainly on O), but they’re a better team than they were last year, if only because this year they have a QB.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 25, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gostkowski got tendered as a restricted free agent

That’s not quite the same as getting the franchise tag, though I supposed the dollar amounts are probably similar for kickers.

by RSNexile on Aug 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

your technically more correct

by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel differently about Moss. His on-field presence is huge.

He always draws double coverage on any post of flag route. That’s huge. It opens the middle seam for the TE’s. He is also a clinic in practice for the others to watch, study, and learn from. I think the PATS should pay Moss for two more seasons guarenteed money – assuming it is a reasonable request by him.

by couchpotato on Aug 25, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

unless Moss has a ok season…i say keep him for 2-3 years

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 26, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i will be the happiest person alive if the raiders are the worst in da league :DDDDDD

by pats r amazing on Aug 25, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i'm cheering for a 0-16 season or 1-15 season

but a pick between 2-5 is good for me…..then…they can target Cam Heyward 3-4DE who is projected a top 5 pick

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 25, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cant be serious

Out of all those players the only people you wanna pay are Brady and Gostkowski? Hey I’m all for being a team player, but what good is having an elite quarterback and good kicker (who misses most big kicks) when you have NO offensive line to protect him and no receivers to throw to? Welker is amazing, but mark my words, when Moss is gone… Welker will be shutdown.

by DTSB on Aug 25, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Hm...
but mark my words, when Moss is gone… Welker will be shutdown.

Well, i marked them and will make fun of them anytime it will come up in the post-Randy era. :P ;)

by frogfromthemud on Aug 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

mark my words, when Moss is gone… Welker will be shutdown.

this doesn’t make sense

last year, the opposing defenses already knew the ball was going to Welker and they still couldn’t stop him … welker has been put thru the meat grinder test

maybe if thy put revis on welker but then they will have to worry about edelman,tate, price, hernandez, g-force … who yoo gonna cover

by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Welker can out-cut Revis

 Teams started with:

No. 1 corner on Randy, nickel or dime on Welker
Welker killed them.
No. 1 corner on Randy, nickel AND dime on Welker
Welker killed them.
No. 1 corner on Randy, No. 2 on Welker
Welker killed them.
No. 2 corner on Randy, No. 1 on Welker
Welker AND Randy killed them.
No. 2 corner on Randy, No. 1 on Welker with help
Welker slowed down AND Randy running wild.
…or the NO solution: LB blasting him across the middle (to blow him off the route), and a No. 2 CB tugging on his arm as he runs down the field. That was the loosest PI calling I’ve seen in a long time. Just wish we’d have taken advantage of it….
Of course, Randy nearly always has safety help on his side.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 25, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This

Revis may be the best cover corner in the game, but putting him on Welker just means Welker will make 10 catches for 80 yards instead of 10 for 120, and the other receivers will have big games on the outside and downfield with Welker leading Revis over the middle.

by RSNexile on Aug 25, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really, really want to see...

Revis man-on-man with Welker; Welker skirts underneath into a screen. End result: a Revis sandwich between Hernandez and Gronkowski. Revis might be a fantastic cover corner, but he’ll struggle with 500lbs+ of TE sitting on him all day.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 25, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

unless you

rush 3 and let him man handle the o line and triple cover moss and wes….then it works

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 26, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who you gonna cover

Your point is well received… but just look what happened against New Orleans last year… everybody was shut down. You take Moss out of the equation, and what little offense we did have in that game, is GONE.

by DTSB on Aug 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not factoring in the new guys

Tate’s made some impressive deep grabs, Hernandez is a Dallas Clark-type TE/WR hybrid, and Gronkowski is a 6’6" monster with enough athleticism to get TDs on skinny-post routes. Individually they won’t eclipse Moss, but Tate has similar deep speed, Hernandez is more physical inside with good pace and great size, and Gronkowski is an even bigger target than Moss in the Red Zone. Price may or may not turn into a pretty good WR, too.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still see Moss as the key.

He is the player the defense prepares for first and foremost since he has the potential to score a TD on every post or flag route. Those are the momentum daggers that defenses must prevent.

With Moss on the field, two defenders are automatically occupied.

He is worth top three money in my opinion for two years guarenteed after this season. In that Atlanta game, Moss was well past the two defenders. Brady under threw him. There is no question that Moss still has the speed to score on the long ball.

by couchpotato on Aug 25, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Saints get by without a genuine #1 WR, though

As long as you can put out enough viable targets, you can compensate for not having a Moss. Remember, Brady won his reputation (and Superbowl rings!) without a Moss on deck. There was once the joke “who is Brady’s favourite receiver? The open one” floating around. Having a Moss on deck isn’t the be-all and end-all (although it’s great to have!).

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 25, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the league is always improving.

The coordinators are designing more complex designs, the players are more athletic, bigger, faster, and they cover more ground. And, although this is true on both sides of the ball, I don’t imagine the PATS having anywhere near the success of more Super Bowls without Moss or his equal.

Someone wins the Super Bowl each season. Repeating the result or reaching the Super Bowl consistently defines a successful system and approach. The PATS design of no name receivers worked wonderfully in the tune of three rings. But, by 2007, BB realized that would no longer work: in came Moss and Welker. And, that should have been ring #4.

IMHO, there is no going back to the no name WR core. 2007 confirmed this reality. Tate and Price are two more drafted / targeted weapons for this reason.

The Saints won one Super Bowl. If they win a second Super Bowl this season or next with their present WR group, I will be impressed. I don’t see it happening. I firmly believe that you need a big name WR who draws double coverage and forces game planning to stop him. THAT is the contribution Moss provides every week.

Moss will make the TE’s more successful this season. Moss will create opportunities for Tate, Price, and others to catch more passes. Moss will make the long momentum changing TD receptions this season as he has done throughout his career.

Given time to run his out patterns, Moss is unstoppable on those routes. That time is the issue, and has been. O’Brien’s play calling will determine this outcome. If he uses the TE’s, mixes in the run, and integrates short slants and screens into his play calling, the rush will be slowed, and Moss will be open.

by couchpotato on Aug 26, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

the best thing about NO offense is

that the have no #1 receiver. the ball gets spread around. the defense can’t focus on any receiver in particular. I think Brady and BB have taken notice and are moving towards that kind of offense this year.

by prioris on Aug 26, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but let's see how NO does this season.

I don’t think their equation [that equation] works anymore if the goal is to return to the Super Bowl annually. I think BB came to that conclusion after 2006. Hence, he grabbed Welker and Moss to elevate their offense. It worked. He’ll never go back to a no name collection of WR’s. A pile of #2 and #3 WR’s has limitations, and the defensive coordinators will shut them down.

They cannot shut down a guy like Moss. They can definitely limit his success, but it requires TWO defenders on every snap. That’s what separates a #1 WR like Moss from all others.

If Moss is not retained, BB will have to find a top notch #1 WR to replace him. Since there isn’t one out there who could replace Moss, I expect Moss to be back for two more seasons [guarenteed money] with a third season if he still has it.

Until Moss does not require TWO defenders, he is worth every penny -within reason, of course. And, I expect Moss to be reasonable with his contract request. Why would he leave a Super Bowl contender when his long term goal is to advance into the TV booth for the NFL? [I read that somewhere] It makes perfect sense to stick with the PATS with the hope of getting at least one ring on his resume.

by couchpotato on Aug 26, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm think ...

New Orleans not winning the Superbowl this year does not disprove the validity of having no number one receiver.

You don’t pass the ball to Moss because he is a good receiver. You pass it to whoever may be open receiver. That’s the way good QB do it.

You can always spot a very bad QB when they consistently miss open receivers while trying to throw to heavily covreed players.

Moss and Welker will have to settle for less passes if the patriots offense is to dominate this year.

by prioris on Aug 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. NO has two years to make it back to the Super Bowl

if we use the PATS 2001, 2003, 2004 as the model for consistency. The PATS, as I recall, missed the playoffs in 2002 altogether.

NO is facing an uphill road if they continue with a collection of good #2 and #3WR’s without that one elite WR, like a Moss.

I agree on the bad QB forcing the ball into coverage. That reality aside, when you look at Manning, Brady, Rivers, and Brees, their sacks and their passing misques are almost always the result of a breakdown by the OL, no open receiver, or an error in route running by the WR. Rarely, do these four make an unforced error.

A guy like Moss is always open: in theory. In other words, you throw it where only he can get to it. Sometimes, he does. More importantly, Moss creates opportunities for all the other WR’s and TE’s because he draws TWO defenders: always!

It’s a simple numbers game coupled with good play calling. If every play call has a dump off option or short slant route in response to a blitz, someone will be open because Moss consumes two defenders: always! And, Brady will find that open guy – or he’ll take a shot at Moss knowing that his chances of making the reception are awfully good even double covered.

I don’t think we are in disagreement, overall. I think we just see the #1 WR value a little differently. I think Moss makes Brady better unlike any other WR on the team because Moss creates better opportunties for every other receiver – and for Brady as a result.

by couchpotato on Aug 26, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think we disagree much either

having a player with number one receiver talent is just icing on the cake

by prioris on Aug 26, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I think Manning has had to adjust to the loss

of Marvin Harrison. That pick he threw in the Super Bowl [wow, did that feel great ;-)] was the receiver’s error. I believe he broke wrong. It is something Marvin Harrison probably would not have done.

I hope Brady enjoys Moss in the line-up for two more years after this one. I just think it would be money well spent to keep Moss.

by couchpotato on Aug 26, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard that also

i think someone in huddle should have reminded manning that it is only 3rd down and he should throw it away rather than force it. On fourth down, he can then force it if necessary.

this is what i was thinking before that interception. manning can make mental mistakes at crucial times.

by prioris on Aug 26, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He locked onto his #1 WR, ironically

Wayne misread the route, and Manning never looked him off once – he was fixated on Wayne the entire time. Wayne was in the wrong place, Manning threw it anyway, and Porter (who’d seen Manning locked in on Wayne and correctly guessed the route) put himself in the middle.

It’s a horrible, horrible play – bad WR route, bad QBing.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about Wayne misreading the route

I thought he was just a bit lazy or tired and a hair slow in turning to get the pass. Porter expected it all along and was ready. Wayne wasn’t.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 27, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO is facing an uphill road if they continue with a collection of good #2 and #3WR’s without that one elite WR, like a Moss.

They’ve put up mind-boggling passing stats the last three years with what receivers they have. It’s not that they’re ‘no-name’ guys – they’ve spent draft picks on them, and some fairly high ones at that – but they’re not truly Randy Moss-like WRs inasmuch as I don’t think they’ll be Hall of Famers. But if you have 5 guys get 800 yards each, it’s more effective than two guys getting 1400 yards each. They might be single-purpose WRs (as opposed to a Randy Moss) but if you have enough of them, you’ll get similar-or-better production.

As I see it, the Pats are on track to build precisely that kind of WR corps. They have a deep threat guy in Tate (who’s rather like Devery Henderson), a gifted WR in Price (who might turn into Marques Colston), a big-bodied TE/WR type in Aaron Hernandez (who might be used like Robert Meachem), a prototype-TE in Gronkowski (who could be a Jeremy Shockey), an underneath receivers in Edelman (who would replicate Reggie Bush’s stats)… etc.

If you don’t think a WR corps without a traditional #1 WR will work, I’d only ask you to watch the Saints-Pats Monday Night Football game last season. The Pats didn’t get carved up by one WR – they got carved up by half-a-dozen.

M. Colston – 4 rec, 121 yards, 1 TD, 68 long
D. Henderson – 3 rec, 116 yards, 1 TD, 75 long
R. Meachem – 5 rec, 69 yards, 1 TD, 38 long
D. Thomas – 1 rec, 25 yards, 0 TD, 25 long
P. Thomas – 3 rec, 23 yards, 1 TD, 18 long
J. Shockey – 1 rec, 15 yards, 0 TD, 15 long
D. Dinkins – 1 rec, 2 yards, 0 TD, 2 long

Total – 371 yards, 5 TDs yet only one receiver got more than 4 passes. Who do you cover?

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you cover

this will be the theme of patriots passing game this year

by prioris on Aug 26, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No argument from me that it worked.

I think the loss was as much about an inept defense as it was about NO’s offense – though the NO offense was certainly more responsible – they were clicking on all cylinders.

I think they will be defended much differently this year.

But, yes, the PATS are definitely building a diverse attack which is terrific. I just think it will be better if Moss is retained for two more years while this young group learns the game.

by couchpotato on Aug 26, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

but just look what happened against New Orleans last year… everybody was shut down. You take Moss out of the equation, and what little offense we did have in that game, is GONE.

by frogfromthemud on Aug 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops...

my bad..again

but just look what happened against New Orleans last year… everybody was shut down. You take Moss out of the equation, and what little offense we did have in that game, is GONE.

So my question is: if Wes was stopped once out of 13 games, how come is it a tendency? :D

And check your facts pleae. Here are the offense stats from that day::

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
L. Maroney 15 64 2 22
K. Faulk 3 22 0 14
S. Morris 5 18 0 6
W. Welker 2 14 0 11
T. Brady 1 2 0 2
B. Green-Ellis 2 2 0 1

Receiving REC YDS TD LG
S. Aiken 7 90 0 33
R. Moss 3 67 0 47
W. Welker 6 32 0 10
K. Faulk 2 30 0 19
L. Maroney 3 23 0 9
B. Watson 2 14 0 11

by frogfromthemud on Aug 25, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, I was typing at the same time - and I forgot Watson.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 25, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Tom forgot Watson, too

When your 5th-year starting TE gets targeted twice and your first-year 5th-string WR gets targeed 7 times, something isn’t quite working.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 25, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here was the New Orleans passing game:

Aiken had 7 receptions for 90 yards.
Randy had 3 receptions for 67 yards.
Welker had 6 receptions for 32 yards.
Faulk had 2 receptions for 30 yards.
Maroney had 3 receptions for 23 yards

The player that had the biggest fall off in production was Welker, and that shut the offense down.

Randy – not so much.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 25, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I contend that play calling was the reason they lost many games.

That and the fact that the defense was not Super Bowl level. O’Brien was predictable in his play calling. This season, thus far, O’Brien has been superb!!!!!!!!! If he shows this type of versatility in his play calling, you might see fluctuating stats as posted above, but the points on the scoreboard will be more than their opponents – they’ll simply spread the wealth especially with the use of the TE’s to offset the slot receiver demands.

by couchpotato on Aug 25, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way too early to judge

no one has game-planned for the Pats. It’s the pre-season. Let’s give him four weeks before we start declaring B O’B reformed.

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by JohnHannahRules on Aug 25, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

the patriots offensive line were

pushed around like rag dolls ….

time after time you could see patriots OL players blasted back like they were a dysfunctional high school team

the giants defense was the same through out the entire game ….

pass rush
pass rush
pass rush

same every quarter

and the OL couldn’t do anything even when they knew what was coming

i would expect BB to have taken in the lessons of that game and make sure it doesn’t happen again

had nothing to do with play calling

brady could have easily taken apart the giants secondary with more time in pocket and put up 3 or 4 more touchdowns

the game was lost at the front offensive line

dante scarnecchia just never does interviews so we will never get his view

by prioris on Aug 25, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gostkowski got a contract extension

Mike Reiss of ESPN Boston reports that Gostkowski got and extension. No details given yet.

by demadnick on Aug 25, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

He'd have to sign the tender, and it sounds like he's refusing to do that on principle

“I will hold out for a full year, blah blah, disrespect, etc”

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 25, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's growing attached to his cattle.

There’s one bull in particular….

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 25, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Logan Mankins needs to be re-signed

That’s cool and all that they re-signed Gostkowski, though I still think he has a knack for missing the “big” kicks, but they NEED to sign Mankins. Just look at Matt Light, the dude his 32 years old and still playing at an elite level. Logan Mankins is 28 and our BEST offensive lineman. This deal needs to get done, plain and simple.

by DTSB on Aug 26, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Except for the small fact Mankins doesn't want to be signed...

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

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