Defense Struggles as Patriots Fall to Rams 36-35
Most of today's game wasn't pretty for the New England Patriots starting defense.
While things started off really well for the team with a 97 yard kick return touchdown by Brandon Tate, it went downhill for most of the half from there. Sam Bradford, in his first NFL start, took the field and tore apart the Patriots defense, finding holes in the soft zone played by the Patriots. It seemed that the Patriots could only get pressure with loaded blitzes that usually had the safety running around the corner.
After allowing the Rams to score 17 unanswered points, the Patriots finally got the ball rolling on offense on a drive that had three highlight reel plays. The first was a 39 yard post play that was thrown on a rope to Wes Welker. The second play started with the pocket collapsing on Tom Brady. Brady fell to the ground, only to realize that he actually had time to throw. So Brady got up, delivered a rope to the sidelines that was caught by Alge Crumpler, who had to dive, drag both feet, and maintain possession of the ball to make the catch. The third highlight reel play came shortly after. Tom Brady found rookie tight end Rob Gronkowski crossing over the middle. Gronkowski had linebacker James Laurinaitis draped on his ankles, yet Gronkowski kept driving his legs, and literally jumping his way six yards into the end zone.
With the Patriots trailing 20-14 at halftime, the defense looked to get off to a strong start in the second half. However, they were picked apart by a Rams second string offense led by quarterback Thaddeus Lewis, and eventually surrendered a touchdown on a drive that lasted more than nine minutes.
Down 27-14 with just over five minutes to go in the third quarter, Tom Brady and the first string offense continued to keep things going, with Randy Moss catching a beautiful bomb for the touchdown, leaving the Patriots down just six.
As the third quarter closed, Tom Brady led his final drive, starting from his own two. The Patriots worked out of the no huddle, and the team was sharp. Brady found Kevin Faulk multiple times, and threw a great pass down the seam to Rob Gronkowski for a big game. The drive was capped off with a short post by Rob Gronkowski, who jumped in the air and secured his second touchdown, giving the Patriots a 28-27 lead.
On the ensuing Rams possession, Brandon McGowan intercepted a Thaddeus Lewis pass and returned it to the Rams' nine yard line. Three plays later, the Patriots scored on a five yard pass from Brian Hoyer to Sam Aiken.
While the team took the lead, the Rams offense drove right back down the field on a drive that included a coverage breakdown on a fourth and two play. While the Rams couldn't convert the two point conversion, they stopped the Patriots in six plays. With just over two minutes to play, the Rams took their time and worked their way into field goal position. As time expired, Josh Brown kicked the game winning field goal, with the final score being 36-35, with the Rams on top.
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Ninja, your guy gave up a TD (Laurinaitis).
But he made Gronkowski WORK for it.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
watching the game now on the nfl network
i was laughing that the effort by gronk…james tried his best to hold down a 6’6 260 lb guy….great effort by gronk….looked like he was hopping to the endzone….
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There were definitely some preseason fireworks tonight.
GB-Indy combining for 83 points and 48 first downs. That is NOT a misprint.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Ridiculously good QB? Check. 1000 yard RB? Check. Reigning defensive player of the year? Check.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Charles Woodson CHECK baby one two! Lol
Seriously,
The Pats and Packers are my favorites. Gronko has my attention am thinkin of signing him as my backup TE in FF.
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by Yardpenalty.com on Aug 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Gronk would be boom-or-bust, methinks
If the Pats RB corp gets nicked up, he’ll probably get a lot of Red and Yellow Zone looks. If they like how the RBs are running, they might punch it in. As for midfield stuff, he might have all the talent, but I wonder if they’ll still call Hernandez’s number first if he’s available.
Although multiple TDs in as many games are a sign of confidence, even if it’s preseason.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not just that...
..PFW guys said, the shocking thing was, while Hernandez were out of practice, Gronk had some 40-50 passes in his direction by Brady and Hoyer. And ALL passes became complete. Now that, plus the fact he did not drop a ball in the game, he had to be gangtackled, he can runs great routs, plus he is BIG makes him a target. I would say,I felt the growing confidence from Brady during the game. He did not try to pass to him, then he found him and the kid fought for the TD, so you just felt the difference in the second half, when they kind of practiced the no huddle 2 minute offense, and Brady had 2 quiet long passes downfield to G-Force (copyright by Andy Hart :D )
by frogfromthemud on Aug 28, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
True
but for fantasy football purposes, I’d still expect Moss and Welker/Edelman to get a lot of touches. The third WR – whether it’s Tate, Price or Hernandez – will get a lot of looks, too, and Gronk as a traditional TE might only get high leverage plays – third down completions, goalline looks.
It’s more than Gronk is, as you put it, a “BIG target” whereas Welker, Edelman, Tate, Moss and Hernandez are sharp route-runners who are good in open field. Gronk might suffer because he’d be so good to use as a specialist in certain situations that they might keep him out of general pass-catching duties and use Hernandez instead.
It’s a great headache to have, but I’m not sure it makes for Gronk being a good Fantasy Football pickup.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I do not think Gronk will cry, if he will be used as end zone target ;)
..different situation in almost evry way, but still: t Vrabel looked quiet happy with his TE job there. :DD
by frogfromthemud on Aug 28, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Fantasy football...
So would Vrabel’s TDs as a TE count for him in Fantasy Football? Obviously not in some rule sets, but in which if any?
Oh, they won't count 'against' him per se
And without knowing all the details of FF leagues and that, I couldn’t tell you where he’d be useful. I’m just saying that if you had a choice between a Witten, Antonio Gates, Kellen Winslow or Gronkowski, the first three are going to touch the ball a lot, lot more often.
My real point is that Gronkowski is going to be a lot more useful to the Patriots football team than he’d be to a fan’s Fantasy Football team.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember 2007...
You have to win that one game in February. Or else it becomes a day that shall go down in infamy.
Peyton Manning knows that feeilng now.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They still have to keep from getting pimp slapped by the Vikings twice this season.
Jared Allen and Aaron Rodgers were becoming quite close last year.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard if they do that again...
Aaron Rodger’s daddy is going to turn up to the game with a shotgun and trot them off to the closest church to make it offficial-like.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
it only takes one team to bring any annoited team down
The tackle opposite Jared Allen, aka, Allen Barbre
was and still is terrible.
Jared Allen recorded a ton of sacks against the Packers and virtually none against the Lions.
The LIONS.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just the preseason.
The play itself concerns me far less than the attitude we saw after the D started getting a little sick of getting beat.
There was clearly no aggressive game plan. They played soft zone coverage inside the 5 yardline, and I didn’t see a single blitz that isn’t a standard Madden play.
If this defensive trend continues, the knock on this team is going to be “if you get up on them early, they’ll lie down and die.”
Wrong attitude to have
Can we haz trade for guy who cares?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
There was clearly no aggressive game plan. They played soft zone coverage inside the 5 yardline, and I didn’t see a single blitz that isn’t a standard Madden play.
I think that’s part of it – this was a standard vanilla D that could still work if the team executed flawlessly. They didn’t, so it tanked. Belichick will be pissed that the execution was so bad, but I wouldn’t expect the team to go into the season with that defensive gameplan again, either.
What we learned, then:
a) bad and flawed execution of vanilla plays; but
b) they won’t be playing vanilla during the season – it’s not Hoodie’s way.
It’s not something to be overly pleased with – it’s still bad D, after all – but it won’t be what they carry into the season, either.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
I didn’t mean to intimate that they should have employed a more involved scheme. I don’t fault the coaches at all for throwing nothing new out there. No reason to create film fodder in the preseason, especially when there’s already 10 years of it on your team.
Just seeing the guys lollygagging on the field and jawing with each other on the sidelines after getting burned pretty hardcore by the rookie QB of a team that is, by most accounts, atrocious, is disappointing. I know it’s the preseason, but after last season’s end, you want to see at least a little more urgency from these younger guys.
Granted
Bad execution of anything is going to get Belichick pissed – this is Mr. Do Your Job, after all. As a Pats fan, though, I take a little heart in the fact that the Pats won’t be using that gameplan again.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It's already burning in the fire of Belichick's anger.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill can't quite believe the defense gave up 36 points to the Rams with a rookie QB.
The 2nd teamers are better than that.
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 27, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe Bill O'B
will take this vanilla play calling seriously into consideration, so he doesn’t do it in the regular season.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pats D?
I didn’t read anything into that game at all on the defensive end. I mean it wasn’t good to see,but those grabs by the TE made me think it was the Rams and I can’t believe Im sayin this, but they were in sync. There is concern, but I was so pleased with the rest of the play from the other games that Im comfortable with the players and schemes. I just want us to win it all!
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by Yardpenalty.com on Aug 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Just want to point out
that the offense going 3 and out very frequently before that TD drive by brady, did not help the defense one bit.
The offense has to do it’s part.
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That's true, but I think a big part of the offense's struggles were due to the playcalling
by Greg Knopping on Aug 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. but regardless... it didn't help the defense.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny how calling the number of the TEs sparked everything...
I wish B O’B had worked that out in 2009.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...
Morris struggled pretty significantly at the beginning of the game. A playcaller is stuck between a rock and a hard place when he can’t count on a running play to get more than 2 yards….
Five carries for 12 yards.
Pretty much sucks.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Gronkowski got that much yardage whilst in a three-legged horserace with Laurinitis
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that's another thing
The running game wasn’t working in the beginning, but Bill O’B continued to run it more than pass regardless.
Maybe that was part of the plan to evaluate our RB situation.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to set up the run early, whether it works or not
Otherwise you get no Play Action and you get no safeties creeping into the box.
I didn’t see the game here in NYC, but I’ll wager a lot of the TE success was due to formation calls and running plays earlier in the game.
and only won by 1 point
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Kick return TDs always help.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and TB throwing against 2nd stringers...
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to be overly positive about it.
It wasn’t 59 – 24, though.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed. :)
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And KRs taking it 50 yards every time they touch the ball
Short field FTW.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love it when Tate proves himself.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a question
Who is your starting KR now? McCourty or Tate? Hah.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have McCourty
simply because I don’t want a tired Tate!
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
McCourty might be starting more than Tate
At the very least, McCourty’s looking at 50% of defensive snaps; more if he takes the starting gig from Butler (who can return kicks, too!). Tate’s looking like the 3rd, 4th, maybe 5th option (especially if Hernandez is the main deep-slot guy). Hard to say?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather see Tate
If he is injured, we have other weapons. McCourty is already one of our best corners.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
you have a point.
And Sans,
I think Tate should be our #2, with welker in the slot. in terms of TB looking at his options, no matter who is in tate’s place, TB will always(at least 89% of the time) look to moss and welker first, and then maybe the #2 receiver or Hernandez(or GRONK!).
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Relatedly...
It’s awesome that TB actually have more than 2 viable options. The offense is clearly going to be very good this year, today’s first half notwithstanding.
The balance will be key, because it seems clear that our D is not cut out to be on the field 40 minutes a game (but really, what defense is?).
I wonder how our offense sets will be this season...
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The best part about Brady coming back out
was it looked like they fixed whatever was broken in game time.
Last year it just stayed broken.
And yeah I know it was the 2nd team. Maybe that’s why it only took 40 seconds to score.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand...
If McCourty is getting tackled 20-50 yards up field, he probably isn’t getting tackled too hard.
True, but then...
Welker got hurt last season without being tackled at all. Any snap is a risk, and KR duties mean a lot of quick cutting in traffic.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that's actually a little bit of a good thing
In that they had the ball about three times more time, but didn’t get three times the points.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the D get a bit more rope considering they defended for far more time than usual?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
If they’re tanked now, it doesn’t look good for December or January.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything, could the defense have overperformed given the time they were out there?
Nah…
For some reason, if you have a bad deficit in TOP, the defense will get killed because it is exhausted. Remember the 2004 AFC Division game against Indy? The Patriots ran all over the Colts in the 4th quarter.
We need to play Wisconsin style football if we want to avoid this sort of thing from happening…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the 2007 season
All those 50 yard TD bombs from Brady to Moss didn’t take much off the play clock; that D looked tired at the end of the season, probably because the O scored too quickly (or at least more quickly than they could have gone if they wanted to eat game-clock)
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be the reason Maroney didn't eclipse 1,000 yards rushing...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus a lot of Welker's yards would traditionally belong to the RBs
Especially in those bubble-screens and short slants that are basically long handoffs – Welker’s more of an RB than a WR when he’s doing that. Add in those yards to the rushing attack, and you get a better idea of how the offence works.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They tossed it out to Faulk quite a bit as well.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It was mostly one guy screwing up
Then someone else on the next play, and someone else on the next.
Nobody always bad, but always someone bad.
Like 7 yards to first down, and a little pass over the middle. The guy gets hit 3 yards before the first and keeps driving. #38 is right there, but moves to a point ahead of the runner that is 2 yards past the first instead of hitting him and stopping forward progress. First down and completely preventable.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess that was Sergio Brown
Bubble guy
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is really not too great of a change from last season.
Springs gets burned. Wilhite gets burned. Adalius misses the tackle. Etc, etc, etc….
I know
This was good first down, good second down, third down stop.
Stupid penalty and automatic first down.
Stay on the field for another eight minutes.
Repeat as needed.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
At least Bill has plenty of tape of the D to look at?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
40+ minutes of horror
Imagine the guys on the DL. I can’t imagine how frustrated Wilfork is right now…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and when they break it down it will take three times that....
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of DL, how many guys are on the Sox's right now?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 27, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Add Asante Samuel into the mix, and BAM! Touchdown, because his tackle "attempt" was so poor that it made Deltha O'Neal look like an All-Pro...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
so starting OLBs?
I like Banta-Cain and Murrel.
Burgess didn’t do that much imo, even if he was only back for 10 days, I think to have seen more from him skill wise that may be better than murrel…
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He did manage some run stops, but that's all I saw.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Banta-Cain had the really stupid personal foul call
putting him in the same league as Shawn Crable when he was healthy at Michigan.
Crable never met a personal foul he didn’t like.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't speak ill of the dearly departed ;-)
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
who's that?
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by Yardpenalty.com on Aug 27, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Crable not Woods. I was lost in translation for a sec,
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by Yardpenalty.com on Aug 27, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The pass rush was, again, decent.
And obviously not too many people are noticing because the overall D performance was so poor, but Bradford almost never had a completely comfortable pocket. Credit to him for making so many fantastic reads and check-down throws, but the much-discussed need for a pass rush really isn’t playing out the way the “experts” thought it would.
TBC, Warren, Burgess, Pryor, Spikes, Murrel etc. are generating a pass rush just fine.
I agree.
If they’d covered better – or at all, it would have been fine.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 27, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
we might have seen more than 2 sacks today if we covered well.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And I credit that to the (lack of) gameplan.
The DBs would have been consistently better positioned if the majority of this week was spent preparing for the Rams. Do we know how much practice time was Ram-specific, or are we in media blackout now?
Playing some of those guys off the line and knocking them off of their routes would have been nice.
Just some indication that they aren’t going to give a cushion all year.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 27, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think we have some sort of pass rush. I see it
but it’s BECAUSE of those checkdown throws…
And Bradford played great.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
THE BIG MYSTERY
Where is Malroney?
I think it was ComedicSans who mentioned that it may be to decide which RB to chop
If Malroney doesn’t start season, i think it may be his last year unless he signs for chump change
I think BB
wants to evaluate the other RBs more thoroughly…
It’s a mystery, but it’s the only logical explanation I can think of. Maybe who would be the #2 behind Maroney? Or who would be more involved in the committee with maroney?
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Sammy Morris/Kevin Faulk/Fred Taylor?
We might get a few “too many men on the field” penalties, unless the d is also allowed to put 14 guys out there…
But Brady would never get sacked in such a backfield. Those options… That protection… It would be a thing of beauty.
And Bill Polian will make sure it never happens…
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 27, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
okay. to judge who would get the most carries next to maroney.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Taylor, if he doesn't go down to injury.
I believe he’s played only one full season: 2007.
Faulk will undoubtedly tandem with Morris on 3rd down.
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 27, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say Taylor has the lead in that department.
so maybe the cuts are between BJGE and morris(if BB was to cut a RB).
BJGE may be the odd man out, simply because he can’t play FB. But Herndo can play FB no?
Damn… so morris might just be the one…
Oh well. Maybe this is why he had morris and BJGE start for most of the game! lol
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Hernandez can play any offensive position except the line.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 27, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
thinking about it more
that wouldn’t make sense
they know those players well
the only one to evaluate is ellis to see his progress
it would have to be for some other reason
Maybe he plans to cut a RB.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
i have said it before
cut an RB, have him keep in NFL shape then bring back if injury occurs
I wouldn't doubt it if it happens.
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by patriotguy2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the main thing with Maroney
is that we simply don’t have enough information to say much remotely definitive. We know that Maroney clearly isn’t so bad that he’s going to be cut without a chance…so something else must be going on. Belichick made a comment about there not being enough TOP to allow Maroney to get some running plays…and there were only what, 38 total plays? Maybe it’s as simple as a scheduling issue.
Might want to give him a run-up to the regular season
by only blooding him in the last game – get him into a rhythm in the final preseason game and then let him loose at the regular season with his dander already up.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Spikes did an excellent job in creating pressure...
…but here’s what I wrote at the Ram’s blog:
“Brady only played late into the game because all of his drives, before his final, (resulting in either a punt or a touchdown) were 5 plays or under. I’ll repeat: The Patriots drives were all 5 plays or under. So while the game was high scoring, Brady really only had a seriously limited number of snaps.
Each pre-season game for the Patriots Offense has a different focus. Game 1 against the Saints was an attempt to try out new players against top competition. Game 2 against the Falcons was an attempt to get the running game working. This game against the Rams was to try and get Brady’s long ball back. You’ll notice that most of his passes were 20+ yards down the field- which also led to many 3-outs. Last year, Brady was extremely out of sync with his receivers, so he’s trying to get back some of the spark from 2007. The only problem is, if he throws a "successful" pass, that means the Patriots score a touchdown. That means that Brady doesn’t really get many reps. Which is why he stayed in the game so long."
So yeah. Brady played 18 snaps in the first half. 18. That’s ridiculous. The Patriots were working on the mid-long throws, which is why there were so many 3-outs. I wouldn’t worry about the offense.
The defense however…they’re in for a rough week.
i find the trash talk by rams fans pretty funny
apparently we were being classless by throwing all the time against their 2nd and 3rd team defense.
cheering for them to go 1-15 again….even though their 3 starting LB’s are buckeyes
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i say blame the loss on Jonathan Wilhite
saw him get burned 3 times on 3rd downs
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Getting smoked a few days before roster cutbacks start...
not a way to prolong a career.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I HOPE all of you are correct and ...
we didn’t just see O’Brien Part II … pass pass pass predictable predictable predictable. I believe they had 9 running plays at the start of the 4th quarter.
Ouch, i read few Rams forums..
..they simply do not understand the meaning of the preparation games. Different teams will use they starters and all the personnels in different ways, not because they wory about the result, but because what they feel the most important issue to practice, or who they want to evaluate.
And seriously, some poeple wrote they at last revenged the Super Bowl loss (with a pre season game win). Now what kind of treatment would you offer to those guys. :D
by frogfromthemud on Aug 27, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
let them enjoy it i say
they dominated us from the second they got the ball preseason or not. BB can not be happy about the way his defense played granted they didnt go all out still countless defensive penalty kept rams drives alive. couldnt get off the field and lets face it the rams pulled most of there first stringers at the half and still won when we played our first stringers into the 4th. we couldnt run on one of the worst run defense teams in the league last year. we couldnt pressure bradford unless we sent the house and he still made the play more times then not. i say were lucky last night was preseason cause bottom line st louis wanted it more then we did.
avenged the SB loss??? Really???
such an uninformed comment… that’s just grabbing something out of desperation. Even if the Pats won that game by 2 points, it still would have been so ugly BB would have had the exact same dismal presser and the questions on defense would still be the same.
Keep the faith!
you should read some of their comments
its a fact that the pats and the colts usually in the 3rd preseason game play their starters till the end of the 3rd qtr
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well, you could argue...
..the pats looked preseasonish or postseasonish( oh, that Ravens game… )
I'm with others who have questions about laying an egg
regardless of what game it is. I hope to see some cuts today in response to this poor performance. And, that should help to remind the remaining players that their roster spot is also being assessed.
This team does not enjoy the privelege of turning it on and off as they freely choose. They were hammered last year by the Ravens to end the season. They have slipped into the second tier and no longer receive “elite status” billing from pundits across the NFL.
All that is fine – could be a posiitve – but it certainly reiterates the importance of their playing consistently and with passion every time they take the field.
There is nothing Bill Belichick loves more the bad film in the preseason
After the 1st two games this young defense was looking pretty good, looking really sound. Obviously that’s inflated due to the preseason games and perhaps BB saw over confidence in his guys.
Or maybe he wanted to see what they can do from a base D standpoint versus a D game planned specifically for that opponent.
What ever it was, I’m about 85% sure BB was hoping to have film to work with this week -too much confidence too soon is a bad thing.
I agree with Dr Hill’s offensive assessment – I’m not crazy about the production of it but the theory fits to me. Defensively I think BB really wanted to give the boys something to work on.
Maybe he enjoys the film...
…but he definitly hated the game :)
Brandon Tate's Bling
It was nice to see Tate have some highlights. I’m just glad Tate didn’t slug Steve Burton for touching his ice during the post game interview.
dont know if its this
but the 1st two games, the pats d had seen then in practice and for this game they prob didn’t have a good game plan for the game
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some players admitted there was not much game planning for rams
this game would not translate in regular season.
Maybe the players felt BB became a bit softy lately...
..and wanted to fire him up? :O
by frogfromthemud on Aug 29, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They played a super-vanilla soft-zone give-up D
If this shows anything, it suggests McCourty should be slapping around WRs all day, every day. He’s not a natural zone-type CB – he’s a man-coverage WR re-router. Butler seemed surprisingly good in zone by comparison?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i like a cb that can cover in man than zone
esp w. this type of D…dont want another repeat of tyree and samuel again
also i was never a big fan of Bulter last yr…maybe he improves but i want Devin to take his spot.
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Agreed
Watching McCourty beat up on a good WR like Roddy White on the line is a thing of beauty. Zone CBs… eh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Only Nnamdi Asomugha can do that.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
Manning drops back to pass, Comedic.Sans and Wilfork come flying in and SACK him for a loss of twelve on 3rd and goal!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 29, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't appreciate how good he was until the Pro Bowl game
Pro Bowl rules mean CBs have to play with a pretty generous cushion, and he was still finding a way to reroute WRs and play physically and generally make a menace of himself in passing lanes, including short routes. Plays with great, great hands, and has long arms attached on his 6’2" frame. Bodden reminds me a little of Asomugha when Bodden’s playing at his best.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 29, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Notice the shout-out in the sig?
the Pro Bowl should just go all-out and prevent ANYONE from getting tackled. Flag Football in Miami… how boring.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
Manning drops back to pass, Comedic.Sans and Wilfork come flying in and SACK him for a loss of twelve on 3rd and goal!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 29, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahaha! I love the sig.
I’m pretty sure Manning would be more scared of Wilfork hitting him than he would be scared of me hitting him – I’d only be a touch shorter than Vince (if at all), but he’s got a good 125+lbs on me. Vince could make fivehead pancakes.
And apparently Asante Samuel put in a big hit on Dexter McCluster – who would’ve thought that was possible? I guess Asante Samuel can tackle – when his target is 5’8", 170lbs, and the game doesn’t matter at all. He’s probably an All-Pro big-hitter when it comes to playing flag football against blind schoolchildren, too.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 29, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Only Ellis Hobbs is worse...
Wil Wheaton could beat the tar out of Dexter McCluster, according to my signiature…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
Manning drops back to pass, Comedic.Sans and Wilfork come flying in and SACK him for a loss of twelve on 3rd and goal!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 29, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
have no idea how he is rated as 81 in madden
though i have no ill feelings towards him.
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