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Usually, I am not one to get ridiculously confident for games. I know that I am about to pull a jinx, but to be frank, I do not care. I'm not going to mention the "w" word, if it saves any grace. I will not say that the Patriots will destroy their New York rivals next week with all of the power and ferocity of a pride of lions tearing across the savannah.

However, I do think that the Patriots match up very well with this iteration of the Jets. My opinions of this game were only cemented with this past weekend's events, as the Patriots crushed the Bengals 38-24 (I stopped keeping count after the Tate kickoff return for a TD; the game was over at that point, and the Patriots reverted to soft zone coverage the rest of the way) and the Jets looked pitiful against the Ravens, losing in their home opener 10-9. Mark Sanchez, also known as "The Golden Boy," was a whopping 10 for 21 passing, accounting for 74 yards. The offense was unable to move the ball at all and the defense, while decent, also was exposed in the secondary as Joe Flacco and Anquan Boldin abused Antonio Cromartie and rookie Kyle Wilson, ignoring right cornerback Darrelle Revis.

At the end of the day, from top to bottom, the Patriots should have many favorable opportunities against the Jets. I expect quarterback Tom Brady to be hungry and raring to go against a defense that, while athletic, has flaws. Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, this defense should do just enough to get to Mark Sanchez. At least, I hope so.

Now for a slightly more in-depth look, here are five keys for the Patriots next week against the Jets after the jump.

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1. Give Brady protection

Tom Brady has the tools at his disposal to pick apart the Jets. However, for this to happen, he is going to need to be protected well by his offensive line. Four of the five linemen had great games last week against the Bengals, while one, Dan Koppen, was serviceable despite some penalties. Since the Jets utilize cross-blitzing, it will be incumbent upon the linemen to recognize their assignments and maintain the wall in front of their quarterback.

Bryan Thomas looked okay tonight, but I still do not see a great outside linebacker who will put fear into the hearts of our tackles. As long as Vollmer and Light are consistent, Brady should have some time to throw. I doubt that Brady will have a bunch of seven step drops next week, but three or five step throws should prevent the defense from touching him while exposing the weak underbelly.

2. Exploit the middle of the field

This is where one can really kill the Jets. Darrelle Revis may lock down one side of the field, but the Jets are simply unable to defend the middle. Without Kerry Rhodes, they have gotten even weaker between the hashmarks, and the Patriots have improved with a healthy Welker, a hopefully well-rested Julian Edelman, and tight end duo Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski. Revis will probably be playing the right cornerback position, and I expect to see some plays where Brandon Tate comes to the right side and runs fly routes. I think that Coach Belichick will want to test Tate's speed against Revis' ability. In the Ravens game, Revis was not following around Boldin; it remains to be seen if that pattern will continue, but at the very least, he should not be 100% back to speed yet.

The smart move, in my opinion, would be for Revis and rookie Kyle Wilson to disguise their coverages on occasion and have Revis also play Welker in the slot. Welker is tough to bump physically, but Revis can jump routes as well as any cornerback in the game and underneath passes are especially susceptible to "pick sixes." However, I do not think that Ryan will want to man up Revis with Welker, since it leaves Randy Moss against Antonio Cromartie, which might not end well for the Jets. Cromartie is terrible in man coverage; he would be best utilized in that system as an Ed Reed type playmaker safety, but it would render the Jets too thin at the cornerback position. Stinks for them.

For all of the fantasy players out there, I would pick up one of the Patriots' tight ends this week. My gut is that Aaron Hernandez is going to have a big game, but Gronkowski would not surprise me either. As a fan of the team though, no matter who is catching passes, the middle of the Jets defense looks ripe for the taking.

3. Confuse and pressure Sanchez

The Patriots, surprisingly, did a pretty good job this past week confusing and pressuring Carson Palmer. Most notably, they forced an errant interception that Gary Guyton ran back for a touchdown. Multiple fronts were utilized by Belichick, and everyone seemed to be getting a healthy push on the Bengals offensive line. Sanchez is not nearly the quarterback that Palmer is, although his offensive line is a bit better. Still, there are ways to get to him.

I fully expect the Patriots to load up and bring their all up the left gap. Matt Slauson, who is currently starting at left guard, is not physical enough to stand up at the point of attack against large linemen and linebackers. With Vince Wilfork eating up space in the middle, I expect there to be space to rush the passer through that position. As long as the Patriots get it into Sanchez's head that they might sack him, he will get nervous and revert into Captain Checkdown or The Earl of Interceptions. It is in the nature of the young quarterback, as well as in the nature of the terrible offensive coordinator (which Brian Schottenheimer is.)

4. Play tight on receiving options

This does not just mean wide receivers; heck, I would almost mortgage the wide receivers for the running backs and Dustin Keller. I really hope that Coach Belichick allows Darius Butler and Devin McCourty to play straight man next week on Braylon Edwards and Jerricho Cotchery. The safeties could be utilized against the running backs and Keller, and the corners do not need the double coverage help. At least, not against the Jets. I think we will see some three safety sets (and the debut of Jarrad Page) along with Gary Guyton and Jerod Mayo on obvious passing downs. I also hope Guyton and Mayo are allowed to handle the flats, while Page takes the tight end and Chung roams around, ready to hit the ballcarrier. That looks like a scary, swarming defense to me.

A quick note on Sanchez; any time your quarterback completes ten passes in a game, you should be concerned. However, when only THREE OF THOSE PASSES are to his wide receivers, that is a major problem. The Ravens were missing their top two cornerbacks for this game as well as star Ed Reed. Their starters were Chris Carr and Fabian Washington, and their nickel guy was Josh Wilson. The Jets had no excuse to underutilize their wide receivers in such a manner. The Ravens have a decent pass rush, but their only real stud is Terrell Suggs; Sanchez did have some time to throw. He just automatically checked down. I hope the Patriots do not get burned by playing way off everyone.

5. BE PHYSICAL AND FAST -- JUST LIKE THIS PAST WEEK

This is the most important point to make. From the first snap of the Bengals game, the Patriots looked like a different team from last year. I knew that this team would be more fun to watch and to root for than last year's debacle. There was talent on the field last season, but the players were devoid of passion. They looked like they were going through the motions and seemed listless. Heck, even in the opener against the lowly Buffalo Bills, signs were there. The Patriots barely escaped that game, and then suffered through a season of near misses and utter collapses. The whole time, this general aura of indifference pervaded the team.

Now? The passion these players have is tangible. They look tough and they look ready. And, most importantly, they look really, really fast.

On the defensive line, Myron Pryor and Ron Brace helped take the load off the starters and push the pocket. The linebacking core looked fresh, with Brandon Spikes plugging up holes and opening up lanes for Jerod Mayo. Tully Banta-Cain looked pretty stellar getting to the passer. Gary Guyton played the pass as fluently as any linebacker in the NFL when he made his "pick six." Darius Butler showed great closing speed and intensity, playing well in the first half when he was up-man on Ochocinco. Devin McCourty actually outplayed his sophomore mate, essentially locking down Terrell Owens. Brandon Meriweather showed good intensity and did his job as well as he could.

And then, there was Patrick Chung. He was straight up awesome. He ran all over the field like a bullet, knocking the stuffing out of everyone. He may not be great in coverage yet, but that will come with time. At this point, he is like a cannonball, just blasting players all over the place. He reminds me a lot of Rodney Harrison, and I cannot wait to see what his upside is in our defensive scheme. I think he can be special if Coach Belichick decides to take the training wheels off and let him freelance. In three safety sets, with Page covering the tight end and Meriweather blanketing deep, Chung would be best utilized, instilling fear all over the field. That guy is a keeper for sure.

Offensively, the intensity and speed was up as well. Hernandez had a great catch and run and Gronkowski is impossible to defend in the red zone. Brandon Tate looks really explosive, and Wes Welker looks 100 percent. Randy is Randy, and Fred Taylor is Fred Taylor. Tom Brady has more weapons now than he has ever had in New England.

This game against the Jets will probably be a good one. Rex Ryan is a good defensive mind and will certainly throw out the kitchen sink to stop the Patriots. However, at the end of the day, this matchup should favor the good old boys. Hopefully, the game plays out as it should on paper.

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Who will be the best member of the Patriots young secondary in the future?
Devin McCourty (lockdown corner)
340 votes
Darius Butler (playmaking corner)
35 votes
Brandon Meriweather (deep safety)
75 votes
Pat Chung (in the box safety)
328 votes
I hate them all! (No I love them all option!!!!!)
75 votes

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We enlightened few have known the Jets true nature for some time, now.

After last night’s game, the boneheads throughout the national sports media will probably at least start to rethink their glorified assessments, as well. Only we can rightly quote Denny Green, here: “They are who we thought they were.”

I think it’s possible to read too much into last night’s game, though. For one, the Jets lost by a margin that can be attributed to two HIGHLY questionable calls (not in terms of the merits of the calls themselves, but the discretion that an official has when choosing whether to throw a flag or not) – the roughing the kicker penalty against Edwards and the subsequent PI penalty in the endzone. Beyond that, the officiating crew was very, very, very loose with the flags all night (at least against the Jets). I hate the Jets as much as the next born-and-bred New Englander, but even I felt like they weren’t getting a fair shake last night. Maybe, as an official, you don’t feel like you have the discretion not to throw the flag on that running into the kicker penalty, but you definitely don’t throw the PI flag two plays later on that minimal amount of contact in the endzone where the ball was probably not even catchable.

Let’s also not forget that they held to a mere 10 points an offense that could potentially be one of the best in the AFC. The Ravens of 2010 are not the Ravens of 2000 – this team has some kick on the offensive side of the ball, with guys like Boldin, Housh, Mason, Heap, Rice….the list goes on. Holding these guys to 10 points was probably no small feat, as I think we’ll see as the season progresses.

Finally, the weather. When it conditions are wet, you don’t get a true sense of what an offense can do. The Jets struggled mightily on offense, for sure (6 first downs, etc.), but you can bet we’ll see a better performance this coming week, for NO other reason than that the field (probably) won’t be miserable and slippery.

Having said all that, we do know that the Jets are what we thought they would be – undisciplined. Maybe it was just opening day jitters, but I have a hunch that this team reflects the current HC of the NYJ a lot more than a good football team should.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

100 percent PI.

the jets offense was horrible and if this is the best sanchise and shonn greene can do they are in trouble. and keller not getting the first down on 4th down was ridiculous!!!

by brady12mvp3 on Sep 14, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was inexcusable.

He would be benched for weeks if he played for Belichick.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair to keller

he was probably still woozy. RayRay absolutely tooled him two plays beforehand. I bet he was past at least half of the downs markers he could see

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by JohnHannahRules on Sep 14, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point, but if he's in the game

he has to be IN the game all the way.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 14, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I watched it a couple times.

He was holding onto his jersey and giving him a little bit of an arm-bar, but he really wasn’t impeding his progress. The guys were still running full stride, and the ball was a good 2-3 yards beyond Housh’s grasp. After giving the Jets a freebie 1st down on a ticky-tack call, a ref has got to exercise a little bit of “balancing” discretion. That flag probably wouldn’t have been thrown by any other officiating crew, given the circumstances.

Either way, PI or not, I think the Refs and the weather player large roles in the game, and I think it’s wrong for we fans to think that the Jets are anything less than a seriously talented and threatening team that could blow you up on any given Sunday. Or they could blow themselves up. But that Jets team isn’t the team that’s going to show up every week, and I don’t expect that same lackadaisical play against the Pats this week.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

read youre first sentence please

he was holding onto his jersey and a little bit of a arm bar that is pass interference in any league. and there is a 5 yard penalty for running into the kicker that is as black and white as it gets. he ran into the kicker. we all know this wasnt the jets team that will be on the field every week and they have a lot of talent and can beat any team in this league but if that offense shows up any week they will have a hard time beating any team in this league. sanchez and greene were horrendous.

by brady12mvp3 on Sep 14, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tagging the jersey is never a basis for PI

and an arm bar is okay when you make it look like you’re going for the ball. I think other less flag-happy crews wouldn’t have called it, esp in light of the circumstances.

Regardless, my broader point was that the Jets had some major hiccups, probably out of their system now, and should be a little more on the ball against the Pats.

But if the refs want to flag them as much as they did against the Ravens, I’m all for it.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really mean to keep this convo going but hooking/barring an arm is an automatic PI call

Especially when the ball is in the air, definitely when you are not looking at the ball and certainly when the play is in the endzone.

Incidental contact is not a PI call, but an arm bar can never be considering incidental.

The Jet defensive secondary should be better in week 2 vs week 1, but to suggest it was the officiating that was an issue would be given them too much credit. All 3 CBs struggled.

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even Rex Ryan said they deserved almost all, if not all, of their penalties.

And he’s never been one to shy away from insulting people if he thinks they deserve it. Cromartie kept mugging his WR on third down, too – Moss or Welker or Tate will eat that up.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 14, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that mugging the receiver used by Ty Law

once upon a time against Reggie Wayne? My, how times have changed.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank Bill Polian for that one.

CBs allowed to play physically on Marvin Harrison? Not on my watch!

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, that @$$ just basically screwed the Lions.

I’ll show you the ball, Polian! (beans the many-times offending Bill Polian in the head with a football)

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

On ESPN Rankings

Jets moved a total of 1 space backwards. After putting up the worst offensive effort in their history. And that’s saying something.

The Dolphins finally beat the Bills on the road, snap an opening-streak record of losses, and tattoo the Bills (even though the offense was content to leave their throats alone) and we get moved BACK 4!!!!

The media won’t get off the Jet’s nuts until they are 0-4 and Sanchez is benched in favor of someone who isn’t on their roster yet. Patriots have no reason to fear the Jets. Every Secondary-player not named Darelle Revis is a major liability on that team. At least the old Jet’s secondary just sucked without giving up penalties too!

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by Farorefox on Sep 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the Jets will make every other team in the league use a roster spot for the player "Jets penalties"

He’s awesome – he’s good for 150 yards per game.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 14, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, good point

That really would be “beating ourselves”

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 15, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

and i think the kicker penalty

was the 5 yard running into kicker not the 15 yard roughing the kicker?

by brady12mvp3 on Sep 14, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes it was running into

not roughing. Still gave them the 1st. I understand the ref has little discretion in throwing that flag, but either way, it’s just bad luck for the Jets.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bad luck, or bad leadership?

A smart defensive/special teams leader (let’s say a guy like Bruschi), would make it perfectly clear to his guys “we can give up 3 points, but for the love of all that is sacred, don’t commit a penalty” or something to that effect. All the leaders on the Jets are now playing for the Chiefs or Cardinals, so they didn’t have anyone to say it. Dumb move, Rex Ryan.

It’s the same kind of leadership that would have called in the guys and pointed out that a 9 yard reception on a 4th-and-10 loses the game… but they didn’t have that, either.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 14, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ravens look to be top in the AFC

I think the PATS have a legitimate shot at their 4th Superb Bowl if O’Brien diversifies the play calls all season long. I think the PATS defense, if given a lead, will be fine as they mature.

That said, the Ravens game is looking huge. Home field implications already looming.

The Jets are solid. Brady is the difference provided O’Brien diversifies his play calls. The TE’s must be used regularly. They should share 1o receptions per game. That will wreaj havic on the defense because the LB’s and safeties will be forced to eye the TE leaving Welker, Edelman, Tate, Moss, and Price in one on one coverage.

Maroney and Taylor need to take 20 hand-offs combined as a minimum. Successful or not, this forces the defense to honor the run. Otherwise, wither Maroney or Taylor are capable of a 50+ yard run if the defense ignores the run.

by couchpotato on Sep 14, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Brady completed passes to 7 different receivers.

Did that ever happen last year? This is a new, scary good offense.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happened last in 2007 I think.

That was a good year, until they quit spreading the ball out.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 14, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was one of the things I thought Baltimore did exactly right.

Even when it wasn’t paying off, they kept pounding it in there. I think if you don’t do that against a defense like the Jets have, they will tee off on you.

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Sep 14, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It also wears down the LBS

so Play Action becomes more dangerous due to the amount of running plays you execute, and it becomes more productive because the TEs will be working against tired legs

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the sentiment

but I’d rather see them get physical via their short-passing game and long-handoffs to Welker/Edelman. Stack TEs in front of them, by all means, but don’t just run it into the teeth of the D-line. Make the D-line have to move laterally by using screens and TE slants.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 14, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ravens? Really?

They almost lost to a Jets team that threw it for a total of 71 yards, got penalised 150 yards, had their top RB fumble it twice in 5 attempts, and had a TE that forgot he had to get ten yards on a 4th-and-10.

The Bengals look more threatening than the Ravens – at least their no-huddle offence looked hard to stop.

Maroney and Taylor need to take 20 hand-offs combined as a minimum. Successful or not, this forces the defense to honor the run. Otherwise, wither Maroney or Taylor are capable of a 50+ yard run if the defense ignores the run.

I disagree completely. The Pats shouldn’t even bother with the run until they have a fair lead and need to run clock down. Otherwise, they should work their TEs and small WRs in a bunch of short passes and tire the CBs out with shedding blocks and tackles. The Ravens tried all day to establish the run and couldn’t, and I’d rate their run game way, way above the Pats’. If the Ravens couldn’t, the Pats just shouldn’t. Play to the Pats’ strengths, not the Jets’.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 14, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad Jests Fan Iz Sad

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What I really love about this picture

Plane on your head, yes. Cape, yes, yes. But what I really love are the fingerless gloves, used to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

That, and it looks like this kid took his retarded grandfather to see a football game.

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Sep 14, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whoa. I prefer that type of comment was left unsaid.

Seriously, you have no idea about that gentleman. He might be a war veteran among many other possible services to his credit that have helped to better our existence.

by couchpotato on Sep 14, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

could be

but that doesn’t change the fact that his outfit is beyond ridiculous

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 14, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marima, I'll leave it at this.

“Appearance” comments should be left unstated.

Let me also bring this to an easier reality. Imagine that this gentleman is shown this thread and the ensuing comment. Imagine that he might not fully comprehend his outfit being anything but pure enjoyment for him to wear. Maybe the gentleman is “retarded” as so insensitively stated above. Noe, imagine that he does understand that the comment was unfavorable.

Can you live with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can’t. I’d be heart broken to see his reaction in that scenario.

by couchpotato on Sep 14, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

the problem lies in the "imagining" part

I’m just commenting on the outfit and you’re building a life and mentality around the guy. Maybe he’s not ‘retarded’, understands the comments above and is now offended that you assume that he IS based on his picture. It’s silly.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lighten up....Francis

Retarded, war veteran, serial rapist, we have no idea who this guy is.

HE LOOKS LIKE A MAROON, saying as much is not a personal attack on his character, mental disposition or anything beyond his awful fashion sense.

If he’s a war veteran, he’s certainly seen and taken a lot worse in his life then any words we can offer. To that point you may be speaking with War Veteran’s on this blog.

Perhaps there is a better adjective that could used, but lets try and keep this in perspective and not over sensitize the situation

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a Broncoes hero...

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by Farorefox on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone should remember the Raven's Oline is HUGE and tremendous

There is absolutely nothing about either game in week 1 that should make us too confident or too worried. Not nearly enough film yet.

The Ravens line is probably better then the Pats, but Brady is more experience then Flacco so these points might break even but it’s hard to say.

I agree with the TE assessment I think the Pats have the personal to really expose the Jets D this year. With both Gronks and Hernandez on the field you are either taking safeties of double teams or pulling LBs off blitzes. Late motion to heavy a side of the field will help in this respect as well.

Still a lot to learn about the Jets O

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Flacco is officially garbage

To put on a display like that with the weapons he has. I think what summed it up for me was when he missed a wide open guy in the endzone just before the only TD of the game. The Ravens defense is scary and their offense is potentially scary but I just don’t think Flacco has “it”

by bbismyhero on Sep 14, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

He's no Brady

but he’s no Tim Couch, either. I’d look for him to get better as he gets used to the new offensive toys.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Sanchez has ZERO help. Nobody was on the same page. The playcalling was fairly terrible. Whenever he DID do something right, someone else screwed up.

by nbradley07 on Sep 14, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He also missed a lot of throws he should have made

Both QBs did. Were both defenses good? Yes. But both offenses also shot themselves in the foot quite a bit.

by bbismyhero on Sep 14, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flacco did well in both game vs NE last year

So I’m not going to call him or Sanchez Garbage. Both guys are somewhere in the middle ground of NFL Qbs, with Sanchez closer to the bottom then the top, Flacco the opposite.

Neither is Tom Brady or Jamarcus Russell.

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's one game...

But I think there’s something to be said for the fact that Schottenheimer did not take the training wheels off Sanchez.

They don’t have confidence in him. And I’m not sure that changes against the Patriots.

I also think the Ravens are a little overrated to be honest, their pass rush is a bit overhyped. Other than Suggs, who do they have? Jarrett Johnson? Sergio Kindle…no he’s rotating between narcolepsy and stupidity. Sanchez had time to throw last night, the Jets o-line is pretty good…the team just has NO confidence in him.

Heck, they don’t even have confidence in Shonn Greene, and he was one of the best players last year. Not to mention that we usually handle power backs.

by Ethan Hammerman on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

the ravens have more then suggs and johnson

they have ngata and ray lewis and a very good front 7. last nights game prob had the 2 best defenses in the league and they showed why.

by brady12mvp3 on Sep 14, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis wasn't a factor at rushing the passer

At least not last night. Ngata is true, but Wilfork can at least mimic him.

IDK, I wasn’t that impressed with the front 7 last night. They have great players up there, but Sanchez still had time to throw and simply checked down. Whether that was by design or just due to inexperience, that was what happened.

by Ethan Hammerman on Sep 14, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ravens have an incredibly deep rotation on the line and LB.

They were getting pressure from multiple players in multiple formations and have 8 DL and about 6 LBs they can rotate in without much drop off.

The design of the Ravens defense was to send 3 and keep 8 back to fluster Sanchez into checking down, and at that they were getting to Sanchez.

Ravens certainly could be overrated, but they have made the playoffs each of the last two yeas, play physical and certainly should not be overlooked or under appreciated.

Especially not after that WC game at the Razor last year.

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ngata's a phenomenal athlete

Look up a couple of his pick-6s. He’s got Wilfork’s frame and the athleticism of a linebacker. It’s ridiculous – he’s one guy who I’d actually wager on to beat up Richard Seymour in a fist-fight.

If he didn’t have double-teams all the time, he’d annihilate QBs. The fact he does get sacks despite being double- and triple-teamed makes him even more scary.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 14, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best TV clip was Sanchez with his arms in the air

Looking over at Schottenheimer with a “What the hell am I supposed to do?” look on his face.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 14, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a magic trick:

Sanchez: “Guess which hand the ball is in?”
Schottenheimer: “Your right hand.”
Sanchez: “You get it everytime! How do you do that?”

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Well played, well played.

I thought he was playing a game of hot potato…with himself.

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did you expect?

They took away his redlight-greenlight playcalling system.

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by Farorefox on Sep 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you ****ing kidding me, Braylon?

Don’t throw the ball back after I toss it out to you! I’m lucky to have all my ribs after Ngata pwned Slauson AND ME on the same play!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This picture has "DERP" written all over.

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by R_Adragna on Sep 14, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else think that they keep a RB back to block.. not to block...

but to find the open receiver for Sanchez? I’d love to have Sanchez or Greene mic’d up to see if we hear “Hey.. Braylon.. throw it to Braylon.. he’s open.. hey.. HEY! Damn it.. they call them rotations because Keller isn’t your only receiver… I hate this game, can I get half your paycheck for being the brains of the operation?”

by satsunada on Sep 15, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It didn't work though,

Tomlinson kept yelling for Sanchez to throw it to him instead.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 16, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then he alligator armed the ball over the middle

and when asked why, responded, “For who? For what?”

The difference between Tomlinson and Ricky Watters is that Ricky Watters won a Super Bowl. Tomlinson still has never gone.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could argue LT's never been to a playoff game

The Chargers did. LT himself, not so much. He was just another spectator, albeit with a better seat.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Chargers could charge admission

just to sit on their bench, if LaDainian Tomlinson did it for so long in the playoffs…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't blame him..

He needed a follow up to his hit song. And by hit, I mean Jim Rome LOVES it. :P

by satsunada on Sep 16, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're back!

I mean…

You’re back.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daily stress is going down

And Maroney is gone so I don’t have to worry about discussing things with Comedic so much :P

by satsunada on Sep 16, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

How unusual that he would be traded.

How can I be certain you have no feelers in the Patriots front office?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll probably turn into a 1200 yard rusher, now :(

It’s not like Orton is going to be throwing it 300 times to a Moss/Welker combination.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news…

The New Meadowlands Stadium is pretty cool.

And NC State just blocked a Cincinnati punt and has great field position.

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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in Denver.

For some reason, they are cursed with the injury bug for RB’s ever since Terrell Davis. It’s kinda like Cleveland and their Staph infections. You think it’s gone.. but it strikes someone else every year.

by satsunada on Sep 18, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I idly wondered whether it was the altitude

Lack of oxygen + exertion + being hit as often as an RB => more injuries, perhaps.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 18, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

he was busy trying to look cool with those visors for Vizio Tv

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 16, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Ravens, to me, look like the AFC team to beat.

Flacco is well above average. He plays within himself, and that is all he needs to do with the defense the Ravens possess. And, he has a superb WR compliment to make his passes easier to complete.

The PATS will need to have a two score lead, against most teams, going into the second half to prevail. I just think the PATS defense will bend and break until they have at least 8 games and the bye week under their belts.

This season rests in the hands of O’Brien. It just does. Brady has weapons galore, but the play calls and the player packages must be varied. The first half looked great. The second half was a hard read given the lead. However, the TE use was limited. I stringly feel that the three TE’s should combine for 10 receptions per game to occupy LB’s and safeties.

by couchpotato on Sep 14, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we can wait on determining the teams to beat, but everything else here is spot on

The Ravens are a very tough team, they are a tough match up for the Pats as well.
Flacco is a good QB, he’s got a lot to work out still, but he proved in NE last year he can handle himself just fine.

With the Pats, it feels a bit early to prescribe the remedy for success. They had a great week one, but there are 15 more just like it to get through. This isn’t last years team and it’s likely not even last weeks team going into the meadowlands. The identity is still being formed, and it’s off to a good start

by JonnyNYC on Sep 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stringly feel that the three TE’s should combine for 10 receptions per game to occupy LB’s and safeties.

That’s what I think will beat the Jets. Stacking TEs up in bunches and either running screens behind them (Welker’s first TD-like) or have them running routes. Get the CBs guessing about whether they should back off or come forward, and you might actually see Revis struggle. Even if he guesses right, he’s trying to cover a TE, or he’s trying to shed the block of a TE in his face. Either way, he gets tired and beat up. Run Hernandez up the seam and test their brittle safety depth, and it could be interesting.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 14, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. The TE trio is superb!!!

I have never seen a team with three TE’s who are as gifted and diverse in their skill sets. It is scary good. I hope O’Brien adds some delayed TE releases: dink passes that simulate forward screen passes.

When done on a TE read, they’re impossible to defend.

You set a double TE formation [one next to each tackle]. They are both assigned to block an outside rush. If the OLB does not rush, they double on the DE. Whichever TE encounters an outside rush, he chips and releases for a 3 yard pass reception with the potential for 20 open yards ahead. If both encounter no rush, one is pre-planned to release on a pass route in a one on one with the LB.

by couchpotato on Sep 15, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

My only issue with that is delaying their release means the Jets LBs have time to get a look at the play

Splitting them out wide either forces the Jets to tag a nickelback on them (which is a matchup delight), or to drag a LB outside towards the hash marks. Keeping the TEs on the line means the LBs stay inside, too, and keeping them in tight on delays means the LBs can read the QB and get a jump on the route – it’s a mental contest, and veteran Rex Ryan-coached LBs will probably beat rookie TEs at it. If you split them out wide and made it a pure athletic contest, the TEs will win.

I think they’ll do it when establishing the run (if and when they do), but I suspect they’ll get a lot more success out of keeping the TEs outside the O-line. Only against the Jets, mind you – against a team that doesn’t restrict the Ravens to 2ypc, by all means, smashmouth them. I’d just rather beat up on the Jets D-backs than let their LBs get to play, and that suggests splitting TEs wide.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 15, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got ya

It took a while to grasp what you were saying; you sound like someone’s who coached for a while, heh.

I can’t say I remember if our TEs were in fact used that often to block for our running game against the Bengals, although it does sound like something we did last season, no question. But yes, assuming our TEs can in fact wear out their second of line of defense in their LBs, you have to go with that, cause it will put pressure on guys like Revis to “help coverage”, which would hinder the overall fabric of their defense.

by Tai on Sep 19, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The TEs definitely got some blocking in; they were split out wide in trips-bunch with Welker

And Welker caught that bubble screen behind the blocks of Crumpler and Gronkowski. The TEs slaughtered the CBs out there, and Welker had a relatively easy run in for the first TD.

I like that matchup against the Jets, because it forces the Jets to spread out and cover laterally. If they bring the Safeties up, Moss can go deep. If they spread the LBs out to cover the TEs in the slot, then their D is weak up the middle (either run or pass). If they put nickelbacks on the TEs, then some poor 5’9" CB is trying to cover a 6’6" Gronkowski.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 19, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a Youtube vid of Welker's TD

in the Play of the Week thread. Check out Gronk and Crumpler annihilating defenders when lined up out wide out on the hashmarks.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 19, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do I have the feeling

like the Jets could start off 0-7 and still be talking trash?

I’ve just got it…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 14, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

One game...

   and while I am glad the Jets lost, as some others have stated, I don’t think you can take too much away from this. That is, other than the Jets D actually looked very good, esp. against the run, and with their blitzes. This is nothing new, and pretty much expected.
    Looked like Sanchez was afraid of making the “big mistake” of an interception. The reason why that was so surprising was that the Ravens have such a depleted secondary, and the Jets knew that going in, so I was surprised they didn’t take shots. Don’t know what the Ravens were doing in the secondary to stop that, and there pressure was ok, but not overwhelming by any means.
   I don’t think our O-line is as good as the Ravens, but I was pleasantly surprised with how they kept Tom clean against the Bengals, so hopefully that is a sign of that we will continue to be solid in protection. I do think the Jets will bring a different challenge than the Bengals though.
    I think this game was as much about the quality of the Ravens, maybe more so than the weaknesses of the Jets, but I do think that if we can take what momentum we have from all the positive things we saw form week 1, I feel pretty good about this game.

by furiousd on Sep 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

O-line

Ojinnaka is able to practice with the team and I’m curious to see how good of a player he is and what he can bring

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 14, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

BB will frustrate and confuse the hell out of the self proclaimed “Sanchize”.

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Sep 15, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

That's funny

I was trying to work out whether you want to frustrate Sanchez and keep him wanting to only throw to underneath checkdowns, or you want to scare the guy to throw into risk by blitzing more and giving him 50-50 passes into one-on-one coverage.

Frustration versus pressure?

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 15, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

the confusion that causes him to throw the 50-50 risky passes that he will only complete about 35%of will frustrate the hell out of him. So basically frustration due to confusion

Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA

by PatsfanDan on Sep 15, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the DB's should press the WR at the line of scrimmage.

McCourty and Butler have awesome speed. To maximize it and minimize their present inexperience, they should play to that strength. It puts a guy like Sanchez in a more challenging scenario. He is delayed with his release, or he is being asked to throw pinpoint accurate passes. And, I would force the WR to make an outside move to remove the quick slant which is an easier pass for Sanchez to complete.

It appears that Ninkovitch has solified his OLB role with Murrel’s release. He does play with intensity, and I like his all out aggressiveness.

I do worry about Wright’s role. He must be a sub package DL. Brace or Pryor must start in place of Ty Warren if this defense is to stop a power running attack. They need BEEF across the front. Wright is too small.

I stated several weeks ago that I would look at a 320 lb. +/- CENTER using the PAT’S 1st round pick. I’d use the Raider’s 1st round pick for a 320lb +/- (DE or DL).

Koppen is too light. He just cannot hold back these beasts any more. I suspect Saturday for the Colts is facing the same issue. The DL players keep getting bigger, and guys like Koppen simply get out muscled.

I’d still play Koppen all season. I think he’s terrific. He will make this offense run. No concerns for this season. I just think it is time to execute a plan to replace him with a heavier guy after this season.

As soon as Mankins returns, I would start training Connelly at center in practice, a lot! In fact, each time Hoyer saw minutes in a game, I’d use Connelly with him. Connelly could be a great interim, center replacement for Koppen while a 320lb +/- rookie center is trained and groomed. That’s why I could care less about the NC State center they drafted: too light!!!

by couchpotato on Sep 15, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

agree w. you for the most part

While McCourty can handle press coverage….I dont think Butler can. When he did that against oncho, he was getting beat w. 5-10 yard completions .

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 15, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

name one reciever with ocho talent?

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by NEFOOL on Sep 15, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braylon Edwards (only on every second pass attempt)

He’s big enough to manhandle Butler on the line. McCourty looks a stud up in the face of the WR, because he’s big, strong and gifted enough to re-route the WR. Butler’s not quite a banger in the Ty Law mould, so I’d imagine when it’s all about power and leverage, Butler would get mauled by Braylon Edwards.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 15, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

put McC on Edwards and Butler on Crotchery

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 15, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

chung i believe is physical enough to match up very well against Keller

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by PatsfanDan on Sep 15, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see whether they use Chung, Guyton or Page to knock Keller around

Page is presumably the first-choice TE-eater as the McGowan replacement, but Guyton got a pick-6 when he was in man-coverage on Gresham, and Chung is impressive enough that you’d want to get him into the game pretty quickly.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 15, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it will

interesting to see how Spikes and Guyton are used.
I like Spikes to blow up Slauson (LG) and O Conner but i also like to see Guyton on Keller to deal w. Keller’s speed

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 15, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect you'll see more looks than 'necessary'

Just to mess with Sanchez’s head.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 15, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like McCourty on Edwards for Size, Bulter on Cotchery for quickness and Guyton on Keller

Let Chung and Merriweather police the space, Guyton did a great job last week on Gresham, who while a rookie is a physical beast to handle.

by JonnyNYC on Sep 16, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guyton was abused by keller last year. We'll see how he does this year, but I feel more confident in chung covering him.

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 16, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is a trade for Ray Lewis in the works?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spikes is hopefully watching all the Ray Lewis gametape from last week.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ray Lewis's classic beating of Dustin Keller

resulted in a Ravens win when Keller decided it would be more worth it to run out of bounds and keep his head intact instead of running upfield Truly, he was a difference maker.

Just not for his own team.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, that was painful (although funny)

I’m honestly not sure you could say he ‘decided’, though. He was out of it. Look at it again, and you can see him dip his head a foot or two after he walks out of bounds – he just realised what he’d done. I suspect two things: he was still woozy, and that nobody in the Jets huddle had specifically said “get the first down”. It’s like he was left to remember that by himself, and it slipped his mind.

Leadership in the Jets huddle, where art thou?

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Team must have ran out of snacks...

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 16, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The sad thing is

that the rabbit that drove the Jets was traded to the Chiefs in the offseason, leaving a void at leadership in his wake.

His name was Thomas Jones. Fans of the Jets weep at their front office’s stupidity in the wake of Monday’s devastating defeat.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The full implosion will begin next week.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 16, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The self-destruction will be after they lose to Miami.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't know til I just checked

Mark Brunell is the backup for Sanchez.. he just turned 40 on the 17th. He’s also thrown 15 completed passes in the regular season in the past THREE YEARS.

So basically you trade out the Sanchize for the BruNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by satsunada on Sep 18, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

They would probably start Clemmons if Sanchez is indisposed

Brunell was brought in in a mentor role (to little avail, so far).

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by Farorefox on Sep 18, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

mentor to what?

teaching Sanchez how to spend his money and declare chapter 11?

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 18, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't run the Jets

so I wouldn’t know. Like I said, “To little avail”

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by Farorefox on Sep 18, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

thisssssss

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 16, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

good.

i’m tired of him hurting the pats..
first in 08 @ home in OT…man we owned us
and then in week 2 of last yr…erhhh…can’t stand him

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 15, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the opposite.

I’d like McCourty on Cotchery, mainly because mccourty is more physical than butler. Cotchery is a very physical receiver, who is a constant receiving threat. Edwards is not as consistent as cotchery.

They use Edwards on deeper routes, so I think that’s where Butler’s athleticism will come into play.

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 15, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except if Butler whiffs on one...

then you’ve just given up a big play. And you want to blow Sanchez’s confidence away, not pump him up.

Take away his #1 weapon, and his #1 checkdown. That’s Edwards and Keller. Let him spray it at Cotchery all he likes – and then you’ve got Butler, who’s got a pretty good nose for the ball, covering him and Sanchez’s errant throws. I’d rather have the guy who’s more likely to get a pick (Butler) on the WR who’ll be Sanchez’s third read. His progression reads seem to go Edwards, Keller, #2 WR… and then he’s pressured and sprays it at #2 WR. I’d like Butler’s chances for a pick-6 this week.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 15, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think Cotchery and Keller are his first two reads. lol

I just think Butler will be able to keep up with Edwards. I know McCourty can, but mcourty is tougher, and I think most receivers who run routes underneath(ie. welker, cotchery, Bess) are usually the tougher ones, so I want McCourty on the tougher receiver of the group, not bodden.

Edwards is more of a downfield threat, and not only should butler easily keep up with him, but he has the leaping ability as well as body control when re-positioning himself.

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 15, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not last year - he always looked for Edwards first

It was almost painful to watch. You’d see his helmet go Edwards…. then Keller… then Panic!!… then interception.

Edwards is a downfield threat… which is why you get McCourty to slap him around on the line and not let him get downfield. Butler isn’t physical enough to disrupt him. I’d rather take Sanchez’s targets away than give him a 50/50 chance of hitting them or throwing a pick. He’s shown before that if you take away his weapons he’ll panic and throw picks, or he’ll do what he did against the Ravens and checkdown the Jets to death. Either one’s a win.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 15, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill’s gonna put Wilfork out wide and have Chung over centre in the “safety guard” formation.

by quadruple option on Sep 16, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilfork would be keen.

He loved his spell at QB in training camp when the O and D switched roles; I wouldn’t put it past him to want to play at CB, too.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still waiting for the old William "the Refrigerator" Perry play...

Line up Wilfork at fullback in front of Law Firm or Morris and just have him plow up the middle as lead blocker behind Vollmer and Gronkowski.

by satsunada on Sep 18, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last time the Pats did that, Seymour was put on IR, though

He ran at short yardage fullback and did damage to a knee. I don’t want that in Wilfork.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 18, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

A DE isn't really big enough for that play

You need a huge monster of a man, like Perry or Sam Adams or Haloti Ngata or Haynesworth. Anything smaller and they actually try to hard instead of just being a mass of flesh moving forward.

Your point is valid though.

by satsunada on Sep 18, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, the extra bulk helps

Although Richard Seymour is a very, very powerful man even for a ‘mere’ 310lber. He’s a lot stronger than Mike Wright, who only surrenders 1 inch and 10lbs to Seymour. Still, I’m not sure I want Wilfork’s knees being under the kind of pressure and impact they’re not quite used to – he’s frankly too good to risk.

Maybe using the 330lb Ron Brace instead?

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 18, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Reeeeeeevis may be injured. Please. Hamstring tightness after 36 days off? you’d never expect that right?

by quadruple option on Sep 16, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Only an idiot skips training camp

and does nothing.

Now if you tore your ACL and can’t participate, I understand. But what Farve and Revis did looks incredibly dumb now.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 16, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK let’s pick formation for 1st Patriots offensive snap of the game.
My pick: empty backfield 5 wide.

Moss, Welker, Edelman, Hernandez, Faulk starts in the dot then goes in motion.

by quadruple option on Sep 16, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

edelman>tate?

Tate>edelman.

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 16, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tate can’t catch :P That’s a real “hands” setup. Revis on Moss, Cromartie on Welker, Wilson on Edelman – then what?

by quadruple option on Sep 17, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

um... yeah he can. his hands were one of the his best attributes coming out of the 08 draft.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563223

Positives: Long, lean build. Good quickness, size and hand strength to get off the line of scrimmage against press coverage. Emerging route-runner with the quick feet and balance to ultimately be quite good in this area. More quick than fast, though he has good acceleration. Elusive in the open field and has the vision to set up his blocks and break into the open field. Soft hands. Good body control and flexibility to contort his body for the poorly thrown pass. Can extend to make the diving grab. Good height and long arms and uses the combination well to high-point passes over smaller cornerbacks. Excellent returner with NFL ability for punt and kickoff returns.

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 17, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

also watching highlights of him in college

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6L070REw0

he has hands.

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 17, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn’t caught a single one of the long balls he’s had targeted to him since he’s beena Pat, and there’d be 5-6 of those in preseason etc. and real games.

by quadruple option on Sep 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Matt Cassel threw a bunch of picks in the 2008 preseason

While preseason performance is nice and all, I really don’t consider it that much of an indicator of continued performance, especially if it’s when the second- and third-string guys are on the field.

In saying that, I’d want to see Tate collect a couple of those long receptions at some point soon. I suspect the Jets would be a decent team to practice on – if Cromartie and/or Haden get grabby, then even if he doesn’t snag the reception he’s at even-odds to get pass interference flags downfield. Free yardage for all!

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 17, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was targeted only twice downfield during his career with the pats

and both passes were overthrown.

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 17, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

same play they ran against cincy on their 1st snap

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 16, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 TEs - Gronk and Crumpler, and they split Gronk out wide.

Quick pass to Welker behind a Gronk block – trying to set the tone.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

*split him out wide after pre-snap motion, I should clarify.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 16, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking something like...

Moss left and Tate wide right, Welker in the slot on the right, Brady under center with Gronkowski at fullback and Taylor behind him in the I formation. They either run left or Brady audibles at the line and puts Gronk in motion toward Welker’s side of the line and they run a bubble screen to Welker with Vollmer and Gronk lead blocking with Taylor cleaning up the scraps.

I really expect a run of some kind on the first play. Mainly to start setting up play action.

by satsunada on Sep 18, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got to love this from the NY times. It’s funny cos it’s true.

“Just when you thought the Jets were dysfunctional, along come the emotionally needy Patriots. Randy Moss is still grappling with existential angst, while the owner Robert Kraft and the holdout guard Logan Mankins are trapped in the kind of "you apologize first" argument most people grow out of in junior high. Even Tom Brady has gotten into the act, ripping fans who left early last Sunday, depriving the Patriots of the crowd noise they needed to preserve a 21-point lead. This is what the Patriots are like when they are winning. If the Jets somehow score a touchdown or two, the Patriots’ locker room will sound like an emo concert”

by quadruple option on Sep 18, 2010 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

wow

got to love the NY times…i refuse to read that pos paper after that bs ad they ran against General Pertatus

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by NinjaZX6R on Sep 18, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't dysfunctional imply that the Pats are losing?

NY is dysfunctional. San Fransisco atm is dysfunctional. Dallas is dysfunctional. The Pats? No. Not even close.

by satsunada on Sep 18, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they heard a lot from Ryan last week.

Let’s see if it sunk in.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 18, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And living near NY, they heard it from everyone

blasting across all the headlines

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 18, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's all we've got in between games

a big fat load of prognostications.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 20, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Ok, trash pickup is on Wednesday.

It’ll only stink ’til then.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

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