Jets vs. Patriots: Let's be optimistic, people. And rational.
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 12:49 AM EDT
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PrintLong time lurker. First time poster. As a Pats fan, I am sick and tired of all this Jets and Dolphins talk. Know why? Because it's irrational. It's fuelled by publicity and hype. It lacks any content. After the jump, you'll see why.
So, the Jets are Superbowl material, right? Well, without even mentioning the Pats or Dolphins, who do the Jets resemble? Let's look at a REAL superstar team "on paper" - the Vikings (hate 'em, but man for man, they're tough to beat). Better RB than the Jets. Better QB than the Jets. Hell, better receivers than the Jets (just. Holmes is 3/4 of a receiver, and Edwards has the dropsies. Give me Berrian and Harvin any day. As long as Harvin takes his painkillers.)
Defensively, look at that Vikings line. I love Kris Jenkins, but man, that Vikings line gives me nightmares. Absolute nightmares. After the Starcaps saga, you KNOW those guys are juiced. And it shows. Sure, the secondary's nothing special, but are the Jets?
Now that I've pointed out that even in the stupid "on paper" perspective, the Jets aren't that amazing (think Chargers 06, or Pats 07 for real all star teams), let's compare the Jets and the Pats.
QB vs. QB - not even a contest. Sanchez is stupid. That's a killer in this league. You can be inaccurate, slow, even noodle armed, but stupidity will get you beat.
RB vs. RB. How good is Shonn Greene? He's got the edge over Lo Mo. How good are the others? Is LT really better than Fred T or Sammy M at the respective stages in their career? LT has a lot of wear. A lot of wear. And the Jets don't really have a great 3rd down back (will LT do that?). They got rid of Washington - should I say, in the biggest betrayal since Judas and his 40 pieces.
OL vs. OL. They have all-pros at centre and left tackle. Well, almost. I give Brick the edge over Matt Light, and Mangold is in a class of his own. But the rest of that line is nothing amazing. It's very good in the run game, a bit swiss cheese in the pass pro game. Even stevens. I'd even give the Pats the edge IF Connolly and Vollmer continue to develop.
Receivers vs. receivers. No contest. Moss is better than Holmes, Welker is better than Edwards (despite being a slot guy.) Holmes is only play 3/4 of the games, and Edwards will drop a ball a game. usually a deep one. Which, considering the Jets are a play action team, will hurt a lot more than it would elsewhere. When it comes to receiver depth, Edelman and Tate give us a huge edge over the Jets. They CANNOT go 4 wide successfully. We can go I-Formation successfully if we have to (not as well, but better than they could go spread.)
DL vs. DL. Any 3-4 team that lines a 270lb guy like Gholston up at end (unless solely on passing downs) has some issues. Jenkins is great. Wilfork is just a little bit better (I'd sign Jenkins in a second, though.) The rest is pretty even.
LB vs. LB. Here is the only part of the team where I think the Jets have a big edge. Unfortunately.
CBs vs. CBs. No Revis. Thank GOD for that. Butler vs Cromartie - Cro-mo-baby-daddy has some of the best cover skills around. Butler doesn't. Yet. But Butler tackles better. McCourty vs Wilson = even. So, this is darned close to even, and I think our CB depth - Wilhite, Wheatley, Arrington - means we will better be able to cope with injuries and spread. If you're Rex Ryan, and you don't have Revis, and the Pats come out 4 wide with Gronk in the standard position, what sort of defence do you have? You HAVE to blitz and you PRAY TO GOD you get there in time because you do not have enough good CBs to cover long enough. Cromartie on Moss, Wilson on Welker, fine. But who else? Leonhard is great deep middle, but can he cover in tight spaces? Who's your nickel, your dime, your quarter?
Safeties vs. safeties. Edge Pats. Meriweather == LEonard, but the depth around him is where the Pats have the edge. They have a swiss army safety set: the smashing Chung, the pressing McGowan, the cornerbacking Meriweather, and the centrefielding Sanders. None elite, but magnificent when they complement each others.
So, guys, don't drink the Kool Aid. If paper teams won championships, we'd be anointing Brad CHildress right now. They don't. And even on paper, the Pats can hang with the Jets.
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I have to say that this is a little (lot) homeristic...
…because the Jets are better than the Vikings on paper. Jets get the edge on DB, S, LB, OL and definitely WR (anyone who would take Harvin/Berrian/? over .75*Holmes/Edwards/Cotchery is crazy). Only real advantage for the Vikings is at QB (and that’s banking on Favre being ready), RB and at DL (and I would say that the Jets DL isn’t far behind). Tight end is a push. The Jets offense isn’t up to par, but their defense is leaps and bounds better than the Vikings.
If you want to look at a paper champion, look at the Ravens. They have an all star player at every position except cornerback.
I do like the optimism though.
Here’s my basic comparison:
QB: 1. Pats, 2. Dolphins, 3. Jets
RB: 1. Jets, 2. Dolphins, 3. Pats
WR: 1. Pats, 2. Jets, 3. Dolphins
TE: 1. Pats, 2. Jets, 3. Dolphins (I give the edge to the Patriots since Brady can use his TEs, Sanchez seems unable to throw to Keller)
OL: 1. Dolphins, 2. Jets, 3. Pats
DL: 1. Jets, 2. Dolphins, 3. Pats
OLB: 1. Jets, 2. Dolphins, 3. Pats
ILB: 1. Pats, 2. Dolphins, 3. Jets
CB: 1. Pats/Dolphins/Jets (Jets with no Revis)
S: 1. Pats, 2. Jets, 3. Dolphins
Ratings:
Pats: 18
Jets: 18
Dolphins: 21
And I think that’s pretty accurate. The Jets and Patriots are pretty even, on paper. The Patriots need a LOT of help along the trenches and at OLB. The Jets are a team full of average players, with a couple super stars. I would even say that the Jets have a much better starting roster on paper than the Patriots, but the Pats have the best depth. Should the Jets roster stay 100% healthy all season, they could win the division- but that doesn’t seem likely.
This could go on all night!
Let’s ignore the Vikings – I disagree entirely because I think Williams x 2 + Allen + Edwards isn’t just “slightly” better than the Jets, I think it’s literally night and day. I know 3-4 vs. 4-3 isn’t as easy as that, but I think that’s seriously a Pro Bowl line from left to right and at least one All Pro (Allen).
Let’s break down your two OL vs. DL comparisons.
DL: The Jets will have Kris Jenkins at nose tackle. We’ll have Vince Wilfork. Edge, Pats, just. JUST. A sliver. Ends? Starting ends for us – probably – Warren and Wright. Ends for them? Ellis and maybe Gholston. Do you really think they have the edge over the Dolphins and the Pats? And you HAVE to count depth as well. It’s hard to say, sure, but DeVito, Pouha, Kroul/Krull (sp?) vs. Brace, Love, Deaderick? DL gets dinged up. Front 3 is important, rotating 6 is even more important.
I really don’t think the Jets have an edge here. I can’t be bothered doing the Dolphins to be honest!
OL: Brick vs Light: Brick. Slauson OR Ducasse (and JESUS can you believe Ducasse is the product of evolution?) vs. Connolly? I’ll give it to Connolly. Mangold… sure. Then we get to the right hand side of the line, where it’s Moore and Woody vs Neal and Vollmer. Stats have shown Neal is one of the best run blockers around, and Vollmer is verging on Pro-bowl. I’d say we edge even on that side.
(Yeah, Dolphins probably better, but they still have Incognito, don’t they? That’s 50 yards a game – 2 unsportsmanlike, 2 holding)
Agree OLB. Disagree on ILB. Jets > Pats. Spikes hasn’t proved nothin’ yet.
I also emphasise depth here. Pats lose 5 guys, Jets lose 5 guys. We win. I know you mention it but I also think it needs to factor into your rankings.
Also flexibility. The Pats have way more looks than the Jets. The Jets are one-dimensional.
Actually, I think the biggest problem this year for the Jets will be no slot receiver. Edwards and Holmes are better outside the numbers. Young quarterbacks need a release valve, and Sanchez doesn’t have one.
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Kris Jenkins is coming off a season-ending injury; I’m not sure how that factors into his season-long performance. And David Harris is allegedly injured, and he’s their best LB. Again, it depends a lot on just how messed up he is – remember how Mayo performed last year when he was dinged up? Pace is hurt, too, although I’m not entirely sure on details about the injuries involved.
My questions about the Jets are they are a run-first team who downgraded their run-game (Thomas Jones + Leon Washington > LT + their rookies) and downgraded their O-line (Faneca > Ducasse). What are they going to do, rely on Sanchez’s arm? Good luck with that…
I’m far happier with the Pats depth than the Jets. Who’d run for the Jets if Shonn Greene got hurt? Uh. Yeah. That LT guy, with his 3.2 ypc average last year (and steadily declining stats). Scary…
But if Maroney goes down, Morris, Taylor and Faulk pick up the slack – same as 2008. Taylor gets hurt? Same as 2009. Morris gets hurt? Same as 2007.
Even in positions the Pats are worried about, they had decent depth. If they lose another D-lineman, they bump up Pryor or Brace – they both have starts on their stat sheet. CB? They slot in Wilhite or Wheatley, who while they aren’t great, both have a fair amount of starting experience. They have former starters in Sanders and McGowan as backups in the Safety corps. They have four starting-quality ILBs. The only real issue might be OT if Kaczur is out, and even that’s not entirely clear; even Mark LeVoir has starting experience.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I think the thing about the Patriots depth...
…is that there are so many average players on the team that they can step up and do well. However, I think that defines a defensively built team; a team built to cope with injuries, but not to excel if no one is injured. Think about it. How many studs do the Patriots have on the defensive side of the ball? Wilfork? There’s only so much of an impact he can have when the ends and outside linebackers are so unspectacular that they can’t take advantage of what Wilfork brings to the table. Meriweather? He has shown sparks, but when your safety is making the tackles, that means the other players aren’t doing their job.
Now I’m hoping the Patriots have some young players emerge as stars (and I think McCourty is going to be a stud), but as of now there’s no proof for that. The defense is just average, with average back-ups. A championship team needs to have balance with depth and star players- and the Patriots are all depth on defense.
Same would probably have been said about the 2001 Pats, though
I suspect that’s the point you draw the line and say “this is clearly a team that’s rebuilding” – when you look at the roster and see good players, but not clear playmakers and gamechangers. However, when they’re good young players (and the Pats are), there’s a fairly good chance that at least some of them will emerge to become those necessary playmakers. Spikes, McCourty, Butler, Chung, Meriweather have all shown flashes to suggest they can be above merely “good” players and become gamechangers. Couple them with the solid “glue” guys like Mayo and Wilfork, and that could be a very good unit.
McCourty looks special when he’s re-routing WRs; Spikes looks aggressive and has a nose for the ball in a Bruschi-like way; Chung looks enough like Harrison to give hope. And uncoincidentally they look like they’ll be starting, meaning they’ll get plenty of opportunities to show their wares. If they do, and do so well, they could elevate themselves to ‘star player’ status and make a Superbowl run earlier than expected.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I agree
However, I think that defines a defensively built team; a team built to cope with injuries, but not to excel if no one is injured
I think that’s it, though – the Colts put together a team every year that would be absolutely mindblowing if nobody got hurt. That happened exactly once – 2006. The Colts actually had Bob Sanders; they had a healthy Peyton Manning; Mathis and Freeney were healthy; Harrison, Wayne and their O-line were all playing. Every other year they’ve failed at a playoff hurdle because one of their precious first-stringers was hurt – even in 2009 they had to use a nicked-up Dwight Freeney because even a hurt Freeney was better than their second-stringer.
The Steelers also do it on a “we’ll win if we don’t get injuries” basis (although their LB corps always has admirable depth). In 2009 they lost Polamalu, and their entire season was a wash after that. If the Pats lost Meriweather or Chung, they’d have two veteran ex-starters to choose from to plug the hole – Sanders or McGowan.
It might mean the Pats’ highs are lower and their lows are higher – a consistent 11-win average, perhaps – but it means they don’t have those agonising tanked seasons like the Steelers suffered last year. If the Colts lost Manning, they’d be a 4 win team. When the Pats lost Brady, they churned out 11 wins with a guy who hadn’t started a game since high school.
I’ll take the predictably consistent over the mercurial boom-or-bust approach, but I do see some of the appeal of the other way, too.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I'll take the consistency as well...
…but as you said, the high for this team is lower. I see Super Bowl NEXT year, not this one, after players have time to develop.
Unless you strike gold in trades/free agent pickups/the draft
Which will happen every so often – and then you get a 2007. Difference is you’re hoping to have guys outperform their contract/draft status (which will happen infrequently) instead of playing according to the expectation of the top-end deals given to the Freeneys and Polamalus of the world (which ought to happen a lot).
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Pouha is the 3rd best NT in the division...
…and is the back-up for the Jets.
And when grading a group position of offensive line or defensive line, where every player needs to be on the exact same page, you can’t compare each individual piece. You have to look at the final product. The Jets and the Dolphins are run first team. The Patriots are a pass first team. The Jets and Dolphins units do their job better than the Patriots unit protects Brady. The pocket around Brady was always collapsing last year and now they’re all a year older, except that Pro Bowl guard Logan Mankins is being replaced by ?? Dan Connolly. He’s adequate, but there’s still a drop. Put the Patriots O-Line in front of a lesser QB and the pass offense would stall.
And I do factor in depth in my lists. I’d take Mayo, Spikes, Guyton and McKenzie over the Jets ILBs.
I don’t know what you’re watching if you think the Jets only have one look. They’re the #1 defense in the league for a reason. Cotchery can be a great valve for Sanchez- but I don’t think Sanchez is good enough to go through his progressions and reach him.
They’re the #1 defense in the league for a reason.
Is it Revis? If so, that holdout is looking ever so sweet right now…
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Yes it is.
The way they have handled the situation with Revis is ridiculous.
But Revis has also handled the situation very poorly.
Oh no, don't tell me Matt Barkley ALSO doesn't tie his shoes...
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
One look on offense.
I can’t remember the Jets coming out 4 wide or having two backs alongside the QB in the gun… or even a bunch set (admittedly I didn’t watch a lot of Jets games). They’re 2 back, ground and pound, and then play action/deep ball when there’s the option to do it. Apart from Brad Smith in the ‘Cat, nothing interesting.
Defensively, entirely different story.
You might say that’s coaching. But it also determines the quality of the players. John Conner is a great I-formation fullback. He’s utterly irrelevant in other sets. Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes aren’t as good in a 4-wide set when there’s a nickel on the field. They’re deep ball merchants (just like Randy, only not as good).
The Pats can, and will, throw 3 tight ends on the field. Then they’ll go twin back with Morris and Maroney. Switch to 4 or 5 wide. Flex Hernandez out in the slot, or even outside the numbers. The Jets can’t.
The Dolphins are also overrated. But I don’t hate them :)
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The Dolphins are also overrated. But I don’t hate them :)
The ‘Phins strike me as one of those teams who could roll anyone on a good day. Henne’s a strong-armed QB and Marshall’s a fine WR, and their RB corps is pretty good. They also added a playmaking, do-everything LB to anchor their D around in Karlos Dansby – if you want to see him make plays when it matters, watch his strip sack fumble-ception thing in the NFC playoff game with the Packers last season. He makes everyone around him better.
They have holes, but they’re not of the “the Bills have no passing game” variety. They’ll upset someone this year – you’ll just have to hope it’s not the Pats.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I might disagree on the WR comparison
Not so much on a sheer talent-for-talent basis (the Jets have the names), but solely because I think Favre is one of those QBs who can make a star receiver out of so-so talent (much like Brees or Brady or Peyton Manning). Give Favre a 6’2" receiver with decent wheels, and he’ll get 1000 yards out of him. Case in point being Javon Walker – who uncoincidentally just signed with Favre and the Vikings.
I’m not confident that Sanchez will get more production out of Holmes/Edwards/Cotchery than Favre will out of Harvin/Berrian/whoever (Walker?). On paper, the Jets have superior talent, but if paper teams won Superbowls the mid-2000s Chargers and Colts would’ve had a few more Rings.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
i actually love this debate
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Throw Sidney Rice in their
If you throw Sidney Rice in the equation (he’ll be back in 6-8 games) their is no question Minnesota would have the better WR corps.
Hip injuries are tricky buggers...
If he can make a full recovery by Week 9, power to him. But he’ll have to work to get back to 100% strength.
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 8, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
How could you say that the Jets are 3rd for ILB
With David Harris and Bart Scott?? I know Spikes has done well but geez there is no way that the Jets shouldnt be first there, and well the Jets have Revis now :)
Isn't David Harris carrying an injury at the moment?
Mayo went from being DROY in 2008 to being so-so in 2009 based on a moderate injury; it makes all the difference on the inside of a 3-4.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
as a patriot fan i kind of agree
scott and harris as much as i hate to say it are the best 1-2 in afc east as of today.
you from nz?
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Wow, there's a few of 'em lately.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
only noticed it
when i “inspected” the user and his email add ended w. NZ…
i think we need some prisoners Aussies to even out the 3 kiwis we have over here :)
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I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
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I guess everybody back home is so disgusted the NZRFU signed Money Bill William$ sight unseen they decided they’d follow the NFL instead.
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
NZRFU?
new zealand rugby football union?
is there a popular nfl teams kiwis cheer for?
in england its the Pats only bc it has new england in it
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My mates support Cowboys and Broncos. When I was down the line, I couldn’t turn up to practice after the ’07 Superbowl because EVERYBODY was cheering AGAINST the Patriots. So it was rather unbearable.
Yes, NZRFU, Rugby Football Union. The people who signed that treasonous dog Sonny Bill Williams to play for Canterbury.
Do the English realise New Englanders were the primary movers behind independence from England?
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
a) ur friends are punks :)
b) i dont think the English realize that lol
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I actually do realise that...
I’ve moved away from England, making my following of the Pats all the more apt really
Sonny Bill would make for an interesting big-WR, Aaron Hernandez-style
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
No way. He’d be an amazing strong safety though.
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a possibility
A lot of those high shots that he got in trouble for playing league would be completely legit. Add in a helmet, he’d be devastating. My only issue would be whether he could pick up the playbook. In the meantime he’d be an interesting special teamer, though.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
He's an impressive beast
6’4", ~240lb, and he’s already played three professional sports – Rugby League, Rugby Union, and a handful of professional boxing bouts.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Most of the high shots were legit in league – NRL allows shoulder charges – however, we’ll await his first yellow card in union!
Let’s not forget despite his impressive physical stats he has the emotional maturity of a 4 year old.
Wasn’t Greg Inglis linked to NFL earlier this year? Now that guy would be a great tweener HB/TE hybrid.
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that, but I don't think it came to anything
I know the Jets under Mangini tried out Willie Mason a while back, even ferrying him over during training camp to get a look at the guy. He’d previously been linked to the 49er, Giants and Raiders, at least in terms of interest.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Great post
Glad to have another lurker come up for air and put up a post. Good stuff.
I like the optimism too and don’t feel that it’s out of place at all. Sure the Pats have their concerns, but so do the Jets and Fins. The Jets sure would have been more intimidating had they not agreed to the Hard Knocks deal and left a bit of mystery for other teams to worry over.
They have the makings of having a decent season but Sanchez and company just haven’t shown the intensity and focus I would expect from all of the bluster blowing up from New Jersey.
The program hasn’t done the Jets QB any favors either unless ‘slow-witted’, ‘disorganized’ and ‘prankster’ are the top qualities one wants in a team leader. I’m not saying Sanchez fits that description, but that’s how he comes across.
The Jets will give the Pats a run for their money, and no question they will be intensely motivated to beat New England with a stick, but my money is still on the Pats in Week 2, with or without Revis.
Keep the faith!
Amen. Watching Hard Knocks has turned my mild dislike into eternally burning, volcanic hate.
Cases in point:
Watching Mike Tannenbaum cut players. It’s all he can do to resist txting at the same time.
Sorry, bro, but you’re a GM. Show a few minutes of respect and compassion. A hand on the shoulder, maybe. Rex Ryan may be a fat bastard but he’s got SOME human feeling.
Rex Ryan abusing opposition players from the sideline. Brought back bad memories of my football coach here. Amateur ball. This is one of the best coach’s around? Made the Skins victory that much sweeter.
The general lack of organisation. Those are meetings? Those are speeches? You don’t need speech notes, but at least have some sort of idea what you’re going to do. Where are the play charts showing where a player needs to improve? Where’s the emphasis “get your hands in a better position”? It’s all abuse or praise (admittedly, that may be editing, but I can’t imagine Bill Belichick saying “you suck” when he could say “on your swim move, do THIS, and THAT, and then you will have more success.”
How they are treating Kellen Clemens. Pay the man. Not that creepy old man Brunell with his trillion dollar debts.
Jason Taylor. Why isn’t he on the bus with the rest of the team?
That godamned special teams coach. People say he’s a genius. All he seems to do is be grumpy, probably because his leg is giving him hell. Now, I can be grumpy and yell at players. Is that great coaching?
Brian Schottenheimer. I read an article that said he showed leadership ability. He strikes me as someone trying to be Sanchez’s best friend. He doesn’t seem to push anything. Rex sets the offensive tone.
I know that’s off topic.
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I only have one problem with your analysis
and that’s coaching. Rex is a defensive mastermind, no matter how you look at it, and he is a leader for better or for worse. brad childress inspires no confidence in his players, and might as well give his title to favre. Also the fact is that you cannot compares teams person to person, otherwise the patriots would have won the 07 superbowl, the ravens wouldn’t have been able to win in 2000 with the worst superbowl winning offense in history. Coaching and scheme have as much to do with a team’s success as it’s depth chart. (But the pats are still better)
However, history has shown a simple rule: it is easier to adapt to complex defensive schemes that it is to adapt to complex offensive schemes.
The 46 defense lasted all of a year. The classic Tampa-2 is largely obsolete. The triple-option is still getting teams to bowls (wasn’t Tech 11-2?) When did a zone blitzing team last make the Superbowl (Gregg Williams’ stuff isn’t classical Blitzburgh style)
That is, it is easier to adjust to Ryan’s genius than Belichick’s offensive genius. Partly it’s because of the inherent unfairness in any game against a defense (the offense chooses where it wants to go, and the defense has to react).
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct about Georgia Tech getting to success via the Triple Option.
They were 11-3, losing games to Georgia (ugh), Iowa (double ugh), and Miami (triple ugh).
But they beat VT, Florida State, North Carolina, and Clemson.
Oh no, don't tell me Matt Barkley ALSO doesn't tie his shoes...
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
dont like iowa
i even cheer for mich (ugh) during bowl games
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That's not something you or I have had to do
for a LOOONG time…
Only a Big East defense could make Denard Robinson look legitimate…
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 5, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
meant to say …you dont like Iowa??
i dont hate them…but i love ricky stanzi for that orange bcs bowl post game comment he said
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Oh, I was talking about Michigan...
And I don’t like the Hawkeyes. I won’t like them until this ridiculous losing streak is snapped…
Bielema did a great job beating on the worst Hawkeye teams since 99 to 2002…
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 5, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be interesting to see how Gregg Williams' scheme works without Sharper for the first weeks
He was the key cog in that roving 3-4/4-3 front thing they do, because he could play up on the line or back deep to fill the holes when they put out the exotic pass-rushes. Without him, I’m not sure how that D will work.
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Same as with Rex. The exotic fronts work because Revis and Sharper keep things tight at the back.
by quadruple option on Sep 4, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't give them much hope without Revis
The Jets blitzed way above the league average, yet only got a mediocre sack total (one below the Pats, amazingly enough). You could argue they got QB pressure, but a high blitz percentage ought to translate into QB sacks at some point. The only think keeping them in it was Revis’s ability to mess with #1 WRs – take that away, and you’ve got a blitz-heavy team who can’t get to the QB, and with only so-so coverage. That’ll get a team killed.
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And Revis just signed. Damn you Revis!
by quadruple option on Sep 6, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
just saw it on the nfl network
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The Jets cut Tony Richardson
They had exactly two leaders in that offensive locker-room last year – Thomas Jones and Tony Richardson. Even last week Rex Ryan was campaigning to keep Richardson because the Jets “needed a leader in that RB corps” – now they have exactly zero.
Put it this way – Shonne Green, John Conner and Joe McKnight can learn how to be mature, professional runningbacks from LaDanian “I’m not crying, I’ve got bits of the playoffs in my eyes” Tomlinson.
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That's hilarious
and Tony Richardson is the REAL Iron Man of the NFL. How many seasons has he lasted?
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 6, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Could we just keep running sweeps/screens to Cro-mo’s side? It has two advantages: beats the blitz because it’s a horizontal rather than vertical play and those blitzers are gonna be biting air, and we get to run straight at Cro-mo? I’m thinking flex Gronk out wide or Hernandez with Tate or Welker in behind. Screen to Welker, Gronk/Hernandez pancakes Cro-mo. Even if it’s only 3-4 yards, success.
by quadruple option on Sep 6, 2010 4:36 AM EDT reply actions
I like that too, for a second reason -
if they lock in on the screen to Welker/Edelman and basically give up the guy in the slot, then you have the absolutely horrible (cough) option of running Hernandez or Gronkowski in the vertical. You know, that skinny-post route that Gronk scored a TD on? Yeah, that.
Split ’em 4 wide and use Hernandez and/or Gronk liberally in the slot. They either slap Revis/Cromartie around running in front of Welker/Edelman bubble-screens, or they go vertical against the second-string Jets secondary or linebackers, and shred them deep.
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