Patriots Roster Moves: Filling Out the Practice Squad, Crable is Back
by Greg Knopping on Sep 5, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
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PrintWith the deadline 12:00 PM ET for teams to claim players off of waivers, many teams, including the Patriots have been frantically moving to fill out their practice squad.
First, the Patriots have claimed one player off waivers; offensive tackle Steve Maneri from the Houston Texans. Maneri was an undrafted free agent who played tight end during his college days at Temple. At 6'7", he signed with the Texans following the draft hoping to play tackle. There's no word yet whether the Patriots plan to use him at tackle or guard. However, my guess is that he can be used in goal line packages as an extra lineman/tight end. The Patriots often use loaded lines with an offensive lineman reporting eligible as a tight end, Maneri could presumably fit this role.
The Patriots lost rookie center/guard Ted Larsen via waivers to the Buccaneers. While we don't know for sure that the team planned on bringing Larsen back to the practice squad, I do think that Larsen was part of the team's future plans at center, so losing him could hurt down the line. The team also may have lost quarterback Zac Robinson to the Seahawks. According to Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com, Robinson is set to sign to the Seahawks' practice squad. If this is true, the team will likely have to search the waiver wire to find a quarterback to sign to the practice squad who can take snaps with the practice squad.
As for the players whom the Patriots have signed to their practice squad, here are the ones that have been confirmed thus far:
- Sergio Brown, Safety
- Rich Ohrnberger, Guard
- Darnell Jenkins, Wide Receiver
- Shawn Crable, Outside Linebacker
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The biggest name from that list is probably Shawn Crable. Crable, a third round pick in the 2008 draft, was released in early August after failing his physical and beginning training camp on PUP. As you probably know, he spent his first two seasons on injured reserve. While Crable has the typical speed and length that Bill Belichick looks for in his outside linebackers, he just hadn't been able to stay healthy. When the Patriots released Crable last month, Bill Belichick left open the possibility that he could return. So there you have it, we can now all jump back on the Crable bandwagon.
I'm also glad to see Sergio Brown and Darnell Jenkins back, as they had great preseasons. The Patriots are lucky to get Rich Ohrnberger through waivers, and maybe there's a chance he could still make an impact some time down the line.
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Didn't see this one coming at all
But its good to have him back since it is our weakest position.
Maybe we’ll see him this season.
also i'm happy about orhnberger
anyone have predictions for the other four spots?
by beantownboy171 on Sep 5, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give it a go
5. Matt Gutierrez (seriously, was just released by the Bears and he knows the system so he would be immediately ready for practice reps, which is all the team needs)
6. Thomas Williams
7. Thomas Welch
8. Buddy Farnham
by Greg Knopping on Sep 5, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Gutierrez too
If we don’t have a QB-of-the-future type for the practice squad, we’re best off with a guy who already knows the system.
Right
Robinson would have been the best choice, but he’s off the table now.
The Patriots are just looking for practice reps, and you need more than two quarterbacks. Gutierrez makes a lot of sense.
by Greg Knopping on Sep 5, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
JT O'Sullivan's available; the Bengals cut him
He’s had experience in the system and has been an NFL starter at times.
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I don't think Gutierrez is eligible for PS - too long in the league.
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I think you're right
But if Kaczur really did have surgery, they could just put him on PUP. In fact, if he did have surgery, that’s what they should have done in the first place.
They couldn't have put him on PUP
A player must be placed on active/PUP at the beginning of camp to be considered for reserve/PUP
by Greg Knopping on Sep 5, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
IR then
If his back injury was serious enough to require surgery, he’s not going to be any good for us this year anyway. Put him on IR and open up a roster spot for someone who can contribute this year.
I disagree
I feel that if he didn’t have a good chance at contributing this year, Belichick would have put him on injured reserve already a la Leigh Bodden.
by Greg Knopping on Sep 5, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll have to wait and see
But I would be he’s not back until late in the season if he comes back at all. For that, we’d be better off not having him come back at all.
McKenzie was cut
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Five signed to PS including Steve Maneri
The following players have been confirmed as members of the Patriots’ practice squad: Offensive tackle Steve Maneri and safety Sergio Brown. In addition, reports indicate that outside linebacker Shawn Crable, offensive lineman Rich Ohrnberger and wide receiver Darnell Jenkins have also cleared waivers and will join the Patriots practice squad.
I thought PS guys can be plucked at any time during the season.
It seems that they are never safe. I would expect BB to pursue a higher quality center to replace Koppen when the time comes. I doubt that was a big loss from the PS.
In fact, next year would be about the right time to draft a legitimate center: perhaps in Round 2 or Round 3. He is the most important guy on the OL, I believe. To me, he should be a fairly high draft pick [even though Koppen was a later round selection]. I would prefer that they acquire a stud at center to handle the ever increasing size of today’s NFL nose tackles.
We need good OL and OLB's next year
We have legit problems in both areas. Also WR if Moss does the unthinkable.
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If another team signs a Practice Squadee, the PS player has to go on their active roster
You can’t steal another team’s practice squad guy and then throw him on your own PS – he has to be in the 53.
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Patriots release ILB Mckenzie
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=pressreleasesdetail&pid=44332&pcid=47
WTF? Don’t even give him a reg. season game to prove himself?
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ugh
don’t like this at all
This linebacker from the eagles better be something special…
by beantownboy171 on Sep 5, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, White is a spectacular special teams player, leading tackles for special teams last year for the Eagles.
So many “huh” moves today.
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Patriots release LB Notanybody
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by Give Me on Sep 5, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
BB's LB master plan
1) Draft big players (health / talent irrelevant)
2) Draft fast players (ability to shed blocks irrelevant)
3) Draft high character guys (eye gouging and self removing trousers not considered violations of this mandate)
4) Obtain ST LBs that must either be no bigger than 6ft or have no discernable skillset whatsoever (yeah I know we give out a load of BS about having multiple skillsets, but it’s not like they’ll ever have to play D anyway…yeah don’t talk to me about Aiken, If someone had told me that Galloway wasn’t a slot receiver then we wouldn’t have had to play him…)
5) Pick up undersized small school undrafted free agent DEs and then keep them on the roster over high LB draft picks coming off injury even though they haven’t done squat to justify that and are much more likely to get through to the PS
6) Overpay for aging veterans who were never LBs anyway, can’t be bothered to come to camp on time, and then can’t be bothered to catch up (also fail to make the connection that if a proven pro at DL struggles to make the change to LB that it may be hard for college DLs to make the same switch)
Seriously, if Crable and Cunningham pan out (and has to be quickly) then we got damned lucky, but someone please tell me that wasn’t the master plan all along!
All that stuff comes with being an NFL franchise, though - and even the best ones!
1) Draft big players (health / talent irrelevant)
Like the Superbowl runners-up Colts drafting trench players Fili Moala, Tony Ugoh, Mike Pollak, Jaques McClendon, Quinn Pitcock, Vincent Burns and Dylan Gandy with 1st-4th round picks in the last few years, none of whom have stood out.
2) Draft fast players (ability to shed blocks irrelevant)
The AFC playoff Jets have drafted Vernon Gholston 6th overall, which is the obvious horrible, horrible example of even a good team overreaching for a workout warrior. Every team does it – it’s a calculated risk. Sometimes they turn into Gholston, sometimes they turn into Chris Johnson.
3) Draft high character guys
Tom Brady had to drag Spikes out of the film room; that’s the kind of character they’re concerned with. Spikes’ extra-curricular activites don’t matter too much as long as they’re legal, and you only need to remind yourself that Vince Wilfork’s been accused of eye-gouging to remember that there’s only a fine line between being a good defensive player and a thug.
4) Obtain ST LBs that must either be no bigger than 6ft or have no discernable skillset whatsoever
That’s an accurate description of 5’10", 228lb Larry Izzo – except he kinda made 3 Pro Bowls as a special teamer and won 3 Superbowls.
5) Pick up undersized small school undrafted free agent DEs and then keep them on the roster over high LB draft picks coming off injury even though they haven’t done squat to justify that
Fletcher clearly impressed more in camp than McKenzie in 2010. Pryor clearly impressed more than Brace in 2009. Gary Guyton impressed more than Bo Ruud in 2008. Going back further, Mike Wright clearly impressed more than Marquise Hill in 2004. Some guy Tom Brady impressed more than John Freisz, Michael Bishop, and even first-round, first-pick Drew Bledsoe. It happens.
6) Overpay for aging veterans who were never [position] anyway, can’t be bothered to come to camp on time, and then can’t be bothered to catch up
Dallas: TO, Roy Williams. Jets: Jason Taylor, LaDanian Tomlinson, and supposedly are sniffing around Adalius Thomas. Colts: Bob Sanders. Vikings: Favre – c’mon! Bengals: Antonio Bryant. Seahawks: their entire WR corps that isn’t Golden Tate.
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Following the eye gouging incident
Spikes volunteered himself to be inactive for one game, thereby self-imposing a suspension. How many guys would do something like that. I think that speaks to his maturity already at such a young age.
Also, with regards to point 5, how do you want the pats to fill their roster? With guys they think can best contribute, or with guys they picked higher? If you start keeping guys purely based on draft position, then you become an Oakland-type organisation, unwilling to admit mistakes/put the best guy in there.
Exactly
You might be more willing to give guys a chance the higher up you draft them – Shawn Crable, that’s you – but if you’ve got an undrafted free agent rookie from a small school who is outplaying your 2nd rounder, why would you put the good player on the practice squad? He’s not helping your team there. Put your best 53 out, choose your best game-day 45, and if there are lower-picked guys on the team instead of your high-rounders, so be it.
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Its probably part of the rationale Belichick has behind stockpiling draft picks
He understands the draft is a crapshoot and the chances of unearthing a diamond in the rough are not too far away from the chances of busting as a high pick. How many higher picked players cannot make the transition to the NFL? Like you say, I think being a higher pick buys you a little more time, but I’m all for keeping lower picked/undrafted guys if they can help the team now and longer term
Geez Kiwi, you wasted an awful lot of steam taking me seriously...
1) Please send over Richie McCaw asap, we need him and are happy to pay more than the rugby heads…
Most of your points I actually agree with…
2) The draft is a crapshoot (although sometimes when someone’s stock has clearly dropped it can be ok to take them…like we did with Hernandez…like the Vikes did with Moss…like I get the strong feeling we should have with Dez Bryant – don’t get me wrong I like McCourty and Price which the pick turned into but just looking at Bryant you can tell he’s going to be a special player)
3) Although it is easy to say pick the best players…how can you really tell from pre-season if two talents are closely matched. You know some players are better practicers than others, but that doesn’t always translate to talent.
The one that gets me is Fletcher over McKenzie. I don’t know what you saw in the games but I didn’t see Fletcher killing it. I have nothing against the guy and hope he turns out to be a player but there are a couple of reasons why I think it’s the wrong move…
a) you are comparing a healthy Fletcher to an injury returning McKenzie (I know about Welker, but it’s one thing to be able to cut and another to be able to take on 300lb tackles, he’s still a year away)
b) Fletcher stood a much higher chance of making the PS than McKenzie will
c) Fletcher’s a small school guy, although I don’t know his story, it’s more likely (though I agree not certain) that he would be more happy just to be on the roster and a back up to a first and second rounder than McKenzie who we know is on a mission to look after his family and won’t stop training, and as a 3rd rounder…even after having switched colleges a couple of times he won’t be overrawed by Mayo and Spikes.
d) Just from a pure business point of view, McKenzie is more tradable than Fletcher who has no market value being undrafted until he plays (ahead of Mayo and Spikes…i.e. probably none until one of the top 2 gets injured).
Now let me get back to hooning around the int’net…
McCaw can stay where he is, thank you...
I wonder if the elevation of Fletcher over McKenzie is that Fletcher will contribute more (and more immediately, too) on special teams. He showed a bit of ability in getting after the passer, and in interrupting passing lanes in college (albeit in a low division), but that two blocked kicks and number of special teams values might make him more attractive as a Pierre Woods/Eric Alexander replacement than McKenzie. McKenzie is coming back from injury, so it’s not clear if he could fill that role immediately or particularly well.
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Jarrad Page ...
ESPN analyst Herm Edwards, who coached the safety in Kansas City from 2006-2008. It was Edwards who drafted page in the seventh round in 2006, then proceeded to start the kid as a rookie.
So what are the Patriots getting?
"They’re getting a very smart football player, and Bill likes smart players," Edwards said. "He’s got great instincts. He can play in the box. He can cover tight ends. But his ball skills are what really make him stand out a little bit ahead of a lot of other guys. He’s got great anticipation. He’s just a really good football player. I really liked him."
Hey if that KC fan said he was his favorite player then he has to be good.
I love me a good safety and a nice hit. This is great news and I respect Herm as a football guy. Now let’s get JARVIS BACK!
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by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Jarvis Green must be damaged goods
He was on contract, the Broncos already lost 50% of their pass-rush when Elvis Dumervil got IR’d, yet they cut him. He must be shot.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 6, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
happy crable is back
hopefully he can crack the roster this yr
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whether he actually does anything, he makes things a little more interesting
plus it’s hard to complain about a player on PS
Remaining 3 PS spots
Kyle Love if Jarvis Green comes on board
Tyrone McKenzie if he clears waivers
Thomas Welch
The Pats usually chop-and-change PSers pretty regularly early on into the season
either cutting them outright because they don’t show promise, promoting them to the active roster, and adding-and-subtracting new guys.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 5, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
they could bring in QB
Pat White later in month
Pat White has looked AWFUL, though
If they wanted a QB who can’t pass and who can run, they’d use Edelman, or have kept Isaiah Stanback.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 5, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We need a Jarvis petition going IMO
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by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 5, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
If he wasn't good enough to stick around Denver when Denver's already lost Elvis Dumervil
I’m not sure what he’d do in NE.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 5, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Man losing Larsen hurts bad. Dang it.
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by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 5, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry one more thing
This is kind of the downside of having so many picks is that you end up scouting players for other teams ultimately. You can’t afford the roster spot at the moment, but hate to lose em because they are your future. The Lions have never had this problem.LOL
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by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 5, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
after next year, it will be very hard for almost any picks to make it.
on defense, only vince wilfork and TBC are the old folks
on offense, the RB and C,G, T are older …
after next year, i expect those positions to be “youthanized”
this is probably why they should consider trade away their 2012 and 2013 picks for picks in 2015 and beyond.
The Jets, in their wisdom have cut the best locker room guy they have
They have cut Tony Richardson:
I would sacrifice BJGE to get this guy on board, and would not think twice about it. I know Bill likes versatility and Richardson does not offer much, BUT what he offers is awesome leadership skills and I think could really help cover and holes in the run game, especially on goal line and third and short situations.
Also it would be a nice F**K you to Rex Ryan. So I’d be all for it.
by quadruple option on Sep 6, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Assuming they can find someone to cover BJGE's other duties within the camp (Hernandez?)
I don’t think I’d mind this, either. He’s a one year rental, but then, so is BJGE or Sammy Morris at the moment.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
love to get tony and cut morris
but tony has said he will be playing for 1 yr
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And Morris is playing longer?
Morris’s contract is only one year, he’s a constant injury risk, and he’s old. I’m not saying it’s a necessary swap, but it could make for interesting possibilities.
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revis signed :(((((
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They cut their last remaining locker-room guys
I seriously don’t get it. If that offence is on the field in the last minute, needing a TD to win the game, and someone in that huddle has to take charge and provide that spark… who?
LaDanian Tomlinson? Hahaha. Santonio Holmes? Yeah, right. Braylon Edwards? Hah, good luck with that. Shonne Green? He’s still rather, well, green. John Conner? He might lead the Resistance, but he isn’t going to lead the Jets just yet. Mark Sanchez? Umm…
Alan Faneca’s gone. Tony Richardson’s gone. Thomas Jones is gone.
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You have to wonder how this looks to their locker room
Sacrificing a respected leader on the team so they can pay their superstar. I understand this is not literally the case, but I can imagine that played into their thinking about once a cap comes back into place.
Also, its interesting looking at the players who have come to the Jets and the ones who have left. All the players that have left, their departures have been publicly lamented by their former team mates, talking about what great leaders and players they were. The same cannot be said about the guys they have brought in. Tomlinson and Cromartie’s best friends on the Chargers, Gates and Jammer both said it was time for those guys to leave and it would be a good thing for the Chargers. Goes to show, just because someone is a vet, it does NOT make them a leader.
It IS what took place though
They told Lavernius Coles they were cutting him but might bring him back after game 1 so they didn’t have to guarantee his salary. I don’t doubt they gave Richardson the same message.
Keep the faith!
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