Report: Brady and Pats Close on $58 Million Extension
Via the Herald:
"Patriots quarterback Tom Brady [stats] has been offered a three-year extension believed to be worth $58 million that works out to $19.3 million annually, according to sources close to the negotiation.
This would be in addition to the $6.5 million dollars he’s on the books for this year.
The Brady camp has yet to formally agree, but a deal could be in place within the next 24 hours, the Herald has learned."
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C'mon get this done.
Then sign Randy.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 7, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree. I also understand where the Freak is coming from...
He is not happy and I know he hurts inside from them not treating Moss like Brady’s sidekick and he should get a deal no question. I know Fraft sometimes makes decisions that cut the veterans loose and are godd ones, but not giving Randy some kind of stability is not cool. He’s just as important as Brady and if we are going to win one with this nucleus we have to have Randy.
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by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 7, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about that
Randy is a luxury more than a necessity, especially given the steps the Pats have made to get receivers in the last couple of years – Tate, Price, Edelman, Hernandez, Gronkowski. While none of those guys are likely to be quite Moss-like, that’s enough of a receiving corps that you could win a Superbowl with them, provided you have Tom Brady at QB. That’s why Tom’s far more important than Randy, although I’d be delighted if they re-signed Randy again.
Randy’s a luxury rather than a necessity, but hell, why not give Brady his luxuries?
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Could be a necessity
I’m not so sure Moss is not a necessity. The days when the defense was the strength of the team are long gone. A superbowl win this year or one of the next years will almost suddenly be won through the passing game.
In my book that makes the most unique receiving threat on the team something very close to a necessity, though Brady is obviously more important.
Saints didn't need a Randy - they had a battery of targets
He’s very useful to have, but as long as you give a QB as good as Brady enough targets, it’ll be okay. Probably not this year, but give Tate, Price, Edelman, Gronk and Hernandez another year or two in the system, maybe add another target, and they might be able to replicate the production.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 8, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, this means that things have gotten so bad between the Pats and Brady that Brady is going to walk
Or so we’ll read from the local columnists tomorrow.
Oh no, now it's back to re-hashing Randy
Up to and including taking those February quotes and suggesting they’re recent…
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 7, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked this line:
Brady would not accept a deal that pays him less per year than Eli Manning, who is making $16.4 million per season.
I don’t blame him for absolutely wanting to be over that threshold (Peyton won’t accept any less either.) Maybe he can include a Randy clause in there too?! Yep, I want it all.
Keep the faith!
I was hoping he would get something longer than a 3 year extension
But the money does seem good. Brady a lock to stay a Patriot until he is 37 sounds good to me though I would prefer he stayed until at least 38.
It makes sense, tho
From a health standpoint and from a financial one — for both sides on that. Post new CBA, you might not want anything locked in for the long tern, team or player.
I do think it will free them up to talk about Randy — if that’s what they want. It might even shake something loose on Mankins.
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by JohnHannahRules on Sep 7, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
do you really think kraft is going to talk to moss after what moss said in the off season? i don’t know. i htink moss is burning his bridge especially after the article here
: "Rip? Oh, he was funny, man. He said, ‘Boston? Dang man, Boston?’ I said, ‘Hey, you got to go with the flow.’"—F Rasheed Wallace, on the reaction of former Detroit teammate Rip Hamilton to his signing with the Celtics
no big deal
He didn’t call Kraft a liar, he just expressed his frustration at not being offered a contract.
Keep the faith!
For the best players, they make certain exceptions
Hell, Ty Law did call the Krafts liars, and he still got another contract afterwards. They’ll make certain exceptions for certain actions, and saying “I’m frustrated I don’t have a contract” is pretty low on the scale of crimes.
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From age 37+, you'd want him on a Faulk-like year-by-year kind of gig
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
no
rather do a 2-3 yr extension…plus he deserves it.
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He may well deserve it
but the patriots are going to take their time looking at the pros and cons of extending it. They will not give Randy a handsome contract just because he deserves it, i.e. for past services. They will only give him a contract based on what he can produce going forward and they will take their time to see if he can/will still produce at such a high level.
i think CS was talking about Brady
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You can always structure it so there are optional years, a la Revis's rookie deal
I’m sure Brady wants to retire a Pat, and the Pats would most likely want him to retire as a Pat. I suspect that means he won’t want to play once he’s past his use-by date, so I wouldn’t envision it being a major issue.
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You know ...
I would have thought that the contract would have been between 20 to 25 million … more like 22-23 million… 19 million per year is kind of low
Maybe Brady threw a little change to make it possible to keep Mankin and Moss. I would consider doing that if I were Brady since those last few million are really chump change. That would bring the OL line back up to strength and let Moss hang around for a few more Super Bowl tries.
manning is said to want 25 mill, so why would brady not want that? brady to us pats fan is a far better QB.
considering that maybe brady did take another team “friendly” contract in exchange they give the change to moss and mankins. would be nice but dont think it will happen.
: "Rip? Oh, he was funny, man. He said, ‘Boston? Dang man, Boston?’ I said, ‘Hey, you got to go with the flow.’"—F Rasheed Wallace, on the reaction of former Detroit teammate Rip Hamilton to his signing with the Celtics
Brady has never been all about the money
He’s always agreed to take less money than he’s worth, and he’s always said he’s still overpaid.
And in any case, the point of the big contract isn’t to show he’s the best and deserves to be paid like it, it’s because as a union rep, he has an obligation to the other players not to take a contract that pays too much less than market value. If he takes, say, $10M/year, like his last contract, he depresses the franchise tag value and sets the market price for franchise QBs lower than it would be otherwise, and that hurts other players’ contracts. But if he settles for “only” $19M/year, everyone knows he left money on the table but no one can accuse him not looking out for the other players by settling for too little money.
the article said the offer of 19.3 million a year would be in addition to the 6.5 mil he will be getting this year.
Keep the faith!
i was thinking of that … 22 million would be absolute minimum which could mean that brady could be using another 3 million to keep talent
manning will get paid higher only because he will sign his contract after brady. brady says after he signs, it won’t matter who gets paid more then him because the matter is a done deal.
we’ll see how this works out and what ramifications it has on other contracts
I don't know about that
I would bet that if Manning signed first, there would be an escalator clause to increase his salary should another QB sign for more.
never heard about that kind of contract
patriots and brady are under more pressure to do something than manning
if manning does not sign contract, he will still get over 16 million
The Vikings and Seahawks did it a couple years ago
They went to war over Nate Burleson and Steve Hutchinson, and the end result was clauses of that sort in their contracts.
Steve just got signed to deal he was worth
Burleson was signed in revenge to an identical deal. Care to say where he is now?
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares?
The end result is irrelevant; the point is that such clauses are possible and legal if teams are dumb enough to use them.
That's one way to get into salary-cap-hell
It’s all fine and dandy until the Raiders throw some ridiculously insane contract at whichever QB skeletor Al Davis falls in love with next. Voila, Manning’s contract gets bumped up 1% over $150M…
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At which point even Fivehead himself would renegotiate
He wants to be the highest paid QB, but he’s not a complete moron.
Cf: Brett "$24M-for-2-years" Favre
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 7, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a stupid deal any day of the month/year/decade/century/millenium
My economics teacher from my senior year of high school would throttle Zygi Wilf if he actually did that sort of deal…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s safe to say this is a good investment, he deserves his big payday, it had to be embarrassing to get paid less than some of the young QB’s in the league.
Now sign Moss Please, get him on a 1 year deal but sign him.
revis was looking for 16 million … jets in territory of 12 million … he signed for less than 12 million
but they say revis won … huh … revis was going to get paid 10 million his last 2 years anyway
So if Moss wants 14 million, should we sign him – would you sign him
If Brady wants 30 million a year, you can be sure Brady deal will not get done
it all comes down to how serious all the parties concerned want the deal to get done
it would be better to get 2 years extra and maybe he retires a patriot
Here is the real truth
if Coach Bill Belichick thinks a player deserves a certain amount of money (big money) Mr Kraft will write the check in a heartbeat, so yeah asking for 30 mill to much for any QB we know that, but all that really matter is what BB thinks and he thinks about the team 1st.
by Patsfan4life on Sep 7, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i haven’t seen any empirical or circumstantial evidence what the relationship between BB and Kraft is in terms of paying a player a given salary. The best guess one could probably make would be based on some anecdotal evidence but even that is too flimsy.
I don’t have a problem with you saying what you say but i wish there were more tangible things we could base that guess on.
Kraft stumps up the money; Bill (and the Front Office) makes the decisions.
That’s partly why the owners want to get the salary cap sorted – they want an estimation of the amount of money they’ll be on the hook for.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 8, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm glad
hopefully when he is 37, they offer him another 3 yr deal…with more money
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Team Salary (cap)?
I am always a fun of the patriots being frugal to spread out the wealth on the team. Right now the jets total salary is over 15 million more than the patriots for this year. WTF!!!! lets use that money to sign players. The Patriots are one of the most valuable teams in the league we should be spending as much money as allowed
There is no cap, so technically any amount is allowed.
But the owners and NFLPA have agreed to a short-term rule to address this, which mandates that a player’s 2010 salary (in the uncapped year) cannot be more than 20% greater of the 2011 salary, when we will presumably have a new CBA, with a new cap. This means that you can’t drastically reduce a player’s salary after 2010, letting the uncapped year take the entire hit. As a result, when the cap is put in place 2011, you’re going to be a crappy situation if you spent too much in 2010. You’ll have to release a bunch of guys, which has longterm negative effects on your cap.
In other words, you can’t build an amazing team with a massive amount of money, because it can come back to bite you in the ass pretty hardcore in 2011 and beyond. They’ve effectively disallowed the ability of teams to front-load a contract to have the uncapped 2010 year take all the hit. The Patriots are just doing what they do – playing it smart and thinking long-term.
by nbradley07 on Sep 7, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that doesn’t make sense the 2011 salary is undecided. do yo mean the 2009 salary
by Steven Gelbart on Sep 7, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The players association and the owners are still figuring out what the cap will be for the 2011 season
So it’s the 2011 total salary cap that’s undecided at the moment.
The Jets are wagering in an all-or-nothing bet that they can win a Superbowl in 2010. That’s why they’re throwing money at damaged goods like LaDanian Tomlinson and Jason Taylor and even Adalius Thomas – a one-shot crack at winning the big one (and saving Rex Ryan’s job?). They’re not thinking long-term, unlike Belichick, but that’s because Belichick has job security and Rex Ryan doesn’t. Ryan’s wagering on 2010 success at the expense of the franchise’s ability to string together longterm consistent success.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 7, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is NO way the players would ever agree to a deal that effect the future for past contracts
the players would lose money left and right if this happned (due to cuts and what not)and teams had to meet the cap, does anyone else agree?
by Patsfan4life on Sep 7, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It won't affect existing contracts per se
Although it might mean some guys are cut for salary-cap reasons, and it also might mean teams with big existing contracts (that’s you, Redskins-Haynesworth), will have less to spend on surrounding casts.
The players can’t exist in a vacuum. At some point, they have to compromise with owners. The players can’t play if the owners don’t offer a league, and the owners can’t make money from their investments if the players aren’t playing. That means there’s going to be a compromise, and that compromise is likely to be a salary cap.
And it’s not just the top-end that will be set – teams will also have a bottom salary cap, most likely. That’ll prevent cheap owners (like, say, the Glazers at the ’Bucs), from gutting their roster and putting out the cheapest 53 players they can scrounge together. It cuts both ways.
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Its also the type of thinking which has made the patriots a contender every year
They don’t sell their souls for one big shot at glory. They understand when a cap comes back in place, if you spend too much money now, you could actually be placed in a position where you would have to rebuild major areas of your team. Look at the Jets this year, they have lots of players in the final year of their deals. Now they have invested in Revis, Mangold and Ferguson not to mention the top 5 money they paid Sanchez, they have to focus on securing David Harris long term…and so next year when/if the cap comes back in place, they won’t possibly be able to keep all their ‘star receivers’ and the other big names. The patriots will not have this problem so if I were you, I would look forward to the patriots being a contender for the better part of the next decade every year.
This is the latest from Mike Reiss
By Mike Reiss
ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter updates today’s big story on the Patriots and quarterback Tom Brady, writing that contract discussions “escalated Tuesday to the point where a deal could be completed before New England opens its regular season, according to a source close to the situation.”
As part of the report, Schefter adds that discussions between the two sides have focused on a four-year deal.
“The value of Brady’s new contract is expected to be between $18 and $20 million per season, which means it is likely would be valued between $72 and $80 million,” Schefter writes.
Pretty nice comments
from the head coach today regarding Moss. Can’t remember where i read it, maybe Reiss? But basically was very complimentary, if not more so than average, about Moss’s time with the team, but also said that Randy had not spoken to him about being unhappy, and that he would like him to be on the team after this year.
I'm posting it on the front page tomorrow
Ian Rapoport had it and it might have been picked up by others too, from Bill’s presser today. When told about his comments about feeling unwanted, Belichick said, “He didn’t say that to me.”
Belichick: "I’d just say, on Randy, he’s professional and had a good training camp. He’s played very well since he’s been here. He’s played at a very high level. I hope that continues. He’s brought a lot of passion for the game since he’s been here. He’s well liked. He’s well respected on the team."
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