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A Patriots Fans' Review of Jets Hard Knocks Episode 5: Revis and Woodhead Do America

Sadly Hard Knocks with the New York Jets is over. No more will we get an inside look at what has to be the most entertaining NFL franchise east of Oakland.

If there was a way to keep the series going through the season I think we'd have a mega-hit on our hands. Especially if things go the way I think they're going to go, which is down. We had laughter, cussing, big hits and more laughter and cussing.

Before the series we all knew the Jets talked a big game, but after seeing the inner workings of the team it's clear that there are a lot of major question marks, any number of which could mean disaster this season. Nowhere is this more true than with a suspect offense and a frightening lack of depth in key areas.

Our episode five and series wrap-up after the jump...

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First, a word about the Patriots. I know over the course of this series I've busted the Jets chops a bit for seeming like they were always loosey goosey and just messing around. Look, I get that it's a TV show. In real life I actually work in television, so I understand that nobody is going to tune in for an hour of meetings about hard core x's and o's. 

However I cannot help but see the extreme differences between the franchise I love and the Jets. This is because the Patriots, from Belichick on down to the 53rd player, are a collection of uber-competitive, serious football players. I'm not saying there are no loose moments with the Patriots, but I promise you it's nowhere near the atmosphere that Rex Ryan has created.  

Yes, the Patriots offensive lineman once pulled the same trick of packing popcorn in Tom Brady's car that the defensive coaches pulled on Mark Sanchez. But no one is calling Tom Brady a "fruit cake" like Mark Brunell said of The Sancheese.

As Brady pointed out in his weekly radio appearance the Jets and Patriots are diametrical opposites in everything they do. Which way is better? We'll see two weeks from Sunday.

The final episode of Hard Knocks was fairly anti-climactic. Mostly it centered on the bubble players trying to make the roster. Other than Danny Woodhead none of them made it.

What we do know about the Jets is that they won't really have a legit fourth wide receiver until Santonio Holmes comes back (good news for Jonthan Wilhite). And the depth at running back behind LaDainian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene is thin.

Even the most ardent Jets supporter would have to agree that this Jets team can ill afford a serious injury at a number of positions. So they're either going to have to be extremely lucky with their health or suddenly have their scrubs elevate to another level if they're thrust into action.

The most interesting point of the episode from a Patriots perspective was when Mike Tannenbaum stated that the Revis camp thought the Jets would cave to their contract demands after week two. Meaning Revis and his reps felt pretty sure the Pats would spank them without his Moss-covering services. I think they'll spank them even with those services.

One player we did get to know a little better is LaDainian Tomlinson. Nothing summed him up better than in this episode when Rex tried to joke with him that if he needed any football pointers from Rex's son, he'd be happy to show him. LT2 replied with nothing but a blank stare. 

Tomlinson was a great player at one time for the Chargers, maybe he'll have a good year, but I wouldn't bank on it. What I do bank on is that he's not a leader, and has the personality of a pylon.

The lack of leaders on the Jets is startling. No matter what anyone says they're going to miss Alan Faneca and Thomas Jones, probably moreso off the field than on it. This will be apparent as soon as this team has a bad loss or even a bad half. 

Of course the big news of the episode was the return of Revis. Which seemed a lot more dramatic on the show than I ever thought it would. Big whoop, I assumed he'd be back all along, it was just a week later than I predicted. Hope he's in shape, he'll have his work cut out for him from the first snap. 

Without a doubt this has been my favorite season of Hard Knocks, not just because it was an inside profile of the Patriots chief rival, but because they're an entertaining bunch. But I don't need the team I follow to be entertaining, I need them to win games. They can be cold, calculating, and competitive jerkholes. I don't care. I'm not looking to party with them. I invest myself in winning games, not finding a role model, or new practical jokes.

I must admit I was far more worried about the Jets before these five hours of in-depth, unfiltered access. Perhaps the Patriots have similar issues, but no one knows about them, and thus they maintain a competitive advantage.

In closing, I will say that Mike Westhoff is an outstanding coach and has far more influence on the Jets than we'd ever know prior to Hard Knocks. The Jets would be a far more dangerous team if he was running the show.

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best line of hard knocks

is when that big ox ryan is yelling at his team for sucking and he ends it screaming " all right lets go get a snack " !!!!! are you kidding me what a joke.

by brady12mvp3 on Sep 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

By far the highlight of this whole series. Still waiting for an attempted explanation of how it was taken out of context or some other BS.

by MikeDussault on Sep 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The snack command that will live on forever

I’m wondering how long it will take for Coors Light to get permission to use it in one of their commercials

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great call! It’s almost like he planted it just so he could get into one of those commercials!

by MikeDussault on Sep 9, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noted the Revis camp-Week 2 reference too

Although it would have made for great drama to follow it through and watch Moss & Co. burn through the Jets CB depth, it shows that they were seriously concerned about having to play the Patriots without him.

I hope our DBs were salivating, watching the Jets turn over the football so frequently. Revis will need his stamina if their offense can’t stay on the field.

Maybe we’ll find out LaDainian Tomlinson wasn’t thrilled about the cameras filming everything and this was his silent protest – sort of like what he used to do when he was mad at Philip Rivers and the rest of the Chargers.

I’m guessing John Connor might not be able to light as many guys up as he might have if the league didn’t know about him ahead of time. Any player who gets blindsided by him was forewarned.

Any chance of players harboring hard feelings about the Jets’ most valuable player if Revis gets burned in the first couple of weeks?

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

If he can come in, practice for a week and shut down Boldin/Moss/Marshall in consecutive weeks then hats off to him. It would be near impossible to come close to what he did in 2009, i think that is part of the reason he held out for a deal now. Get paid at the high water mark…

by MikeDussault on Sep 9, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So could Revis be a HUGE bust after this season?

I wonder… Not too many CBs who’ve inked that sort of contract extension stay with their teams. Champ Bailey is a huge exception, but I’d be surprised if Nnamdi Asomugha stayed with the Raiders for the rest of his career. Moronic contract extension or not…

Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 9, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi said he wants to stay a raider for his career.

In other words, as long as possible.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 9, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, if he comes back at the same level he left off in 2009

hopefully the Pats can come up with a better game plan to work around him. But you’re right, he’s the one with all the leverage, and now he has the responsibility on his shoulders to continue shutting down the opposition’s deep threats. It’s pressure, but he’s getting paid.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 9, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

try again

>he’s the one with all the leverage
did he get his 16 million

before the hold out started, jets seem to be aiming for 10-12 million range

by prioris on Sep 9, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's our gameplan

whoever revis is covering(assume it’s moss), make the receiver run a certain route that takes revis out of coverage, and pass it to welker, tate, edelman, hernandez, or dump it off to a RB.

The jets are VERY, VERY weak against the screen pass as well Teams averaged 10+ yards a screen play on them last year.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 9, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, best way to gash an attacking D are screen passes and misdirection, usually the Pats forte.

by MikeDussault on Sep 9, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything that makes Cromartie try to tackle is a chance of a long gain

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 9, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 9, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i was always thinking revis and any double team safety should be taken as far away from actual play as possible … worst case, a receiver and cb nuetralize each other and it’s 10 vs 10

by prioris on Sep 9, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

we have many more weapons then last year

game 1 no welker so the jets could totally take moss out of the game. game 2 revis just took him out of the game he is a great corner but this year we have a ton of weapons let jets cbs worry about moss welker tate and such the pats need to pound the middle of the field with gronkowski hernandez faulk crumpler and etc. if u keep hittin them in the middle the safetys will have to help and that will open the wr up later. like in boxing enough hits to the midsection and the head will fall!

by brady12mvp3 on Sep 10, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, I still hate the Jets

But after reading this article about Sexy Rexy and his team — from a non-Knocks point of address — I want to play for them.

If the witches’ brew works, they’re going to be very dangerous (well, as dangerous as Sanchize will allow them to be).

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Sep 9, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone watching tonight?

Brees looks like he’s in post-season form

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Sep 9, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

vikes look like crap

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Hang on sloopy, sloopy hang on.. O H I O

by NinjaZX6R on Sep 9, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

favre has alzheimers

by prioris on Sep 9, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take the bloody sack, Farve

You are killing everyone The Daily Norseman the people watching down the hall on their big screen…

The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 9, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brady and the Pats agree to a deal.

It is believed to be 4 years, 19 million dollars per year. Makes him the highest paid QB in the history of the nfl. deal will be official tomorrow.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 9, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

just saw that...

OUTSTANDING

I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast

by DocOne on Sep 9, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think brady could have had closer to 22-25 million but probably didn’t want to go thru longer negotiation. he chose the sure thing. what’s a few million here and there anyway. some players will want to squeeze every last penny for ego reasons because their the best like mankins. brady i think realizes that money is important only up to a certain point.

by prioris on Sep 9, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Contract extension? IE - 2010 + extra 4 years?

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 9, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 9, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

USA scooped the herald and reiss

by prioris on Sep 9, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

OR

The New England Patriots have agreed to a contract extension with QB Tom Brady, team owner Robert Kraft told NBC Sports’ Peter King.

by prioris on Sep 9, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, you beat my headline by 9 minutes

Fantastic news though. The whole car ‘accident’ was just a contract ploy. Brady’s agent is a genius.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 9, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brady in car crash; QB unhurt, pockets mysteriously found full of newly-printed money.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 9, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Patriots better then the Jets?

Please…amusing article and at least you got one thing right…the Jets are an entertaining bunch. But let’s not confuse the ease with which they do their business with the intensity for the game. The Jets are loose because they KNOW they are good and will prove that week 2 against the soft Patriots—who will show all their weaknesses very soon.

The Jets are a better team than the Patriots, it’s not even disputable. The Jets are far deeper then the Patriots and almost every position. “The Jets are weak at RB after Shonn Green and LT”? Joke! Two top-tiered RB’s and you are questioning depth? The Jets have a top O-Line and can probably plug in your grandma and have her run for 1,000 yards.

You mentioned your cornerbacks…which ones? You have no elite CB’s, you have no depth at CB but just a bunch of young, unproven talent there. Sanchez will burn your secondary AFTER we run all over your weak defense. Pats have maybe 5 good players; many of whom are old and past their prime. Your best player is Mayo and he’s a B-talent at best. The Jets have depth on D and really—you can plug anyone in on Rex’s D and we’ll make it work.

Really—it’s funny to listen to Pats fans hold on to the past like this is the team of 2001 or 2005. The Jets will play smashmouth football vs. the Pats and win 31-17. It won’t even be close and the Jets won’t have two good players for the game (Calvin Pace and Holmes) but they will still win.

At least you enjoyed watching our team on HBO…the fun will continue Monday night and next week against your team. Don’t be surprised when we’re 11-5 and Pats are 7-9 to end the season. At least you’ll have some nice draft picks!

by MNjetsfan on Sep 11, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

The key to this is your phrase, "The Jets WILL play..."

They haven’t DONE anything yet. All speculation. That’s why Really—it’s funny to listen to Jets fans hold on to the games that haven’t been played yet to brag about how great they’re going to be.

The Jets may indeed take it all the way. But then, like last year, they could limp towards the playoffs and hope the last two teams roll over for them again so they can back into the postseason (although the Bears and the Bills will most likely cooperate there.)

The Pats have concerns for sure, but we’ll all have to wait to see how it all plays out.

By the way, the Saints were 9th in the Power Rankings leading up to Week 1 last year and the defending Super Bowl champs didn’t even make the playoffs. Ya never know.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 11, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It will be a test for patriots ...

Cincinnati had the 4th best defense last year. i think they may be better this year. They are going to really test the patriots.

i think if Cincinnati defense does well against the patriots, that will bode well for the jets although the jets are a lot weaker offensively than Cincinnati is

Because the patriots have a lot of rookies playing against top notch teams in the beginning of season, one can never be sure how well or poor they may react with inexperience.

It would be a lot better if they played buffalo or cleveland first to work out the kinks and make adjustments.

The Bengals and Jets have more matured teams so you can pretty much figure they will play at high enough level.

I think the Bengals will be a tougher team to play against than the Jets.

by prioris on Sep 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, if you say so
The Jets are loose because they KNOW they are good and will prove that week 2 against the soft Patriots—who will show all their weaknesses very soon.

They know they’re good despite not having played a meaningful snap yet? Uh, that’s… interesting. I guess that goes with winning all those Superbowls-in-April.

The Jets are a better team than the Patriots, it’s not even disputable. The Jets are far deeper then the Patriots and almost every position.

QB? Sanchez vs. Brady. Tough choice there…

"The Jets are weak at RB after Shonn Green and LT"? Joke! Two top-tiered RB’s and you are questioning depth? The Jets have a top O-Line and can probably plug in your grandma and have her run for 1,000 yards.
Shonn Greene + Thomas Jones + Leon Washington > Shonn Green + LaDanian Tomlinson, and with Green/Jones/Washington they only scraped a 9-7 record, and that’s after the Colts and Bengals rolled over in the last weeks. Seriously?
Sanchez will burn your secondary AFTER we run all over your weak defense
Eh? The 2009 Jets run game was more intimidating than the 2010 version, and there’s a whole year of tape on Sanchez for Belichick to evaluate. Add in the fact that Faneca’s gone, and the Jets O isn’t too scary. Good, yes. Nightmares? No.

If I were a Jets fan, I’d be worried they got rid of their vet leadership on the O-line (Faneca), their vet leadership and leading rusher in the RB corps (Thomas Jones) and replaced him with a notorious crybaby (LT), and brought in guys of dubious character (Santonio Holmes). I also wonder how many issues they’ll have after losing their most explosive offensive/special teams player (Leon Washington). If I were to have confidence in anything, it’s the Defence – and justifiably so. But claiming the Jets O will blow the Pats (or anyone) off the park? I ’unno.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 11, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you mean the sanchez

who was 5/10 for 15 20 yards?

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Hang on sloopy, sloopy hang on.. O H I O

by NinjaZX6R on Sep 11, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enough about the Jets...

The Jets have had no class since Broadway Joe took the field, and aren’t we all sick of the Revis and Butthead (Ryan) show by now? No one says don’t have fun – you should have fun at your job – just play football. And forget the Superbowl. Jets are not going this year.

by The Mysterian on Sep 18, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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