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Possible Patriots Free Agency Targets: RB

Re-signing BenJarvus Green-Ellis is an easy decision for the Patriots. His tough downhill running style and excellent ball security adds a welcome change of pace to New England’s pass-oriented attack. At the beginning of the year he was seemingly buried on the depth chart behind Fred Taylor and Kevin Faulk, but has emerged as a reliable option, especially in short yardage situations. Green-Ellis had 13 touchdowns in the regular season, placing him in a tie with Rashard Mendenhall for the second-most in the league behind Arian Foster. He averaged 4.4 yards per carry, despite his longest gain being only 33 yards. I expect him to reach a long-term extension with the Patriots at a moderate (3-4m per year) price.

Kevin Faulk is also a free agent, and will be returning from an ACL tear. He is 34, and unlikely to play more than another year or two – if that. With the emergence of Danny Woodhead, who has filled Faulk’s third-down back role admirably, it is unlikely that Faulk will return. There is a possibility that the Patriots bring him back in a mentor/depth capacity, but that seems like the type of sentimental decision that Bill Belichick is not known for. If Faulk returns it will most likely be because he has earned his spot, and the Patriots see him as a player who can make important contributions to the offense.

I do not expect Fred Taylor or Sammy Morris to be re-signed. If this is the case, New England will need to add some depth behind The Law Firm and Woodhead. They have Thomas Clayton, who saw a little playing time toward the end of the Week 17 game against Miami, but he has very limited NFL game experience. It is possible he could make a Green-Ellis-esque leap next season, but that is a best-case scenario. More likely the Patriots will add a veteran or draft a running back to round out the position.

Star-divide

Pierre Thomas is a free agent target that would make sense for the Patriots. Thomas had a good season for the Saints in 2009 when he tallied 793 rushing yards and six TDs, with a 5.4 yards-per-carry average. He also caught 39 passes for 302 yards and two scores. An ankle injury kept him out for most of the 2010 season. Thomas is only 26, and if he is available at a reasonable price, the Patriots should try to nab him. He is a bit more of a dynamic runner than BJGE, and bigger than Woodhead at 5’11" and 215 pounds. Pierre is an adept pass-catcher, and could be a welcome, well-rounded addition to the Patriots squad.

Ricky Williams is another possibility, but at 33, he would not be a long-term solution. Williams has played in all 16 regular season games the past three years, splitting carries with Ronnie Brown (also a free agent). In 2009 Ricky racked up 1,121 rushing yards and 11 TDs with a 4.7 yards-per-carry average, but declined in each category this season. He finished with 673 yards, a 4.2 average, and only 2 TDs. He has had some fumbling issues, especially earlier in his career. Ricky has 50 fumbles (30 lost) in ten seasons, including four fumbles (two lost) in 2010. Williams would be a cheap short-term rental to add depth, but I would rather see New England bring in a younger player with more potential over Williams.

Green Bay fullback John Kuhn is another intriguing name. He has shown some strong play this year, including a supporting role in the Packers run to the Super Bowl. He is a fan favorite in Green Bay, and they will probably make a serious effort to re-sign him. The Patriots have not operated with a traditional fullback since Heath Evans left the team after the 2008 season, but Kuhn is very good in short yardage situations, and has shown solid hands to catch passes out of the backfield. Kuhn could take over the role of Sammy Morris as he is good on special teams, and would be a major upgrade in terms of run-blocking ability. If the Patriots were serious about developing a power running game to compliment their passing attack, Kuhn and Green-Ellis would be an excellent combination.

There are a few more interesting veterans slated for free agency that the Patriots could consider. Carolina’s DeAngelo Williams has put up big numbers in the past, but would likely command a large salary. Fullback-turned-running back Mike Tolbert is a big body that could be used to wear down a defense, but it is unlikely that San Diego would allow him to leave. Brandon Jackson of the Packers is an all-purpose back who has spent time as the number-one option, and would not be too expensive. Pittsburgh’s Mewelde Moore would also add some depth. He is not especially fast or elusive, but has become a good pass-blocker, and can catch the ball.

The Patriots were lucky to have BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Danny Woodhead step up this season, and the future looks bright for both players. They are each great in their roles, however I believe New England needs a quality third option that is a more versatile back with a combination of speed, power and catching ability. These players are not easy to find, but having one in the backfield would make it harder for defenses to anticipate what type of play the Patriots plan to run. If Pierre Thomas’ contract demands are too high, they may have to look for this player in the draft.

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I would try to bring Ricky in for 2 years.He was out of football for a bit,so his legs are’nt quite as old.Maybe look to pick up Delone Carter from Syracuse in the later rounds of the draft.

by Murderofone on Jan 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

I agree... Plus he's now a yogi so his body is in fantastic shape

In term’s of flexibility and core strength. The years off could have mended his body, and the 30 for 30 shows he has really refocused and rededicated his life. Also, Ricky made comments about the Patriots after we took the Dolphins to town, so he definitely wants to be here, which could be important. He can still run hard and catch out of the backfield as well. I say sign Ricky.

by Austin Martin on Jan 31, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Shame

I like Sammy Morris really…

Just trying to keep up.

by Mellon on Jan 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Marion Barber...yeah I know he's not a free agent

but there’s no way Dallas keeps him on the payroll at around $6-7m /yr when he’s lost his starting job, and who’s going to trade for him at that price?

He’s 27, has never been the sole workhorse, and when motivated is a beast.

I think he is the perfect compliment for BJGE (and is better if he gets back to his old form).

Does mean that we don’t have that hybrid can run can catch effectively guy, but how many of those are there really?

by buachz on Jan 28, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

We already had 1/2 of the Minnesota let downs - do you really want the other?

Fool me once with LoMo, not twice with Barber too.

Different back I get, but equally questionable in the NFL for me. Benny was solid in short yardage and around the endzone, which is also where Barber is best

by JonnyNYC on Jan 28, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ingram

I’d grab Ingram at the bottom of the first round. I know there are other needs, but you can’t pass on that type of value. I didn’t like any of last year’s crop of RBs – when the top of the class (Spiller) is projected to be a change of pace back alone, you have a weak draft class. But Ingram is a pretty sure thing from what I gather – he’s succeeded as the main RB before and his yards after contact in his Heisman year were hugely impressive. The offensive line prospects in this draft are weak and rush linebackers are notoriously hard to predict when drafting (Vernon Gholston). Thus, if Ingram is available at 28, I say we get him.

by lemur123 on Jan 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

I support taking Ingram at 17 if he is there

But that’s not really part of the FA market.

I like Ricky out of the FAs. Short term solution but one of those veterans who wants to win and will work hard for it.

by JonnyNYC on Jan 28, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see us draft Ingram at 28

Although I wouldn’t be upset if we waited til the fourth round and grabbed Helu Jr.

If I’m picking out of these free agents, I like Pierre Thomas if he is fully healthy.

by Justin_Bobo on Jan 28, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be worried that his production significantly declined after only one year of being a feature-back in college

He had a 270 carry season (which isn’t even super-heavy for an NFL feature-back), and the next season his rushing average dipped markedly. That doesn’t scream ‘feature-back’ to me. He’d just be another RB in the rotation, and that’s not really worth a first-rounder – see: LoMo.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 28, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I had read a few scouting reports on Ingram

when it was anticipated her might enter the draft after he won the Heisman and several mentioned a concern about his legs being “skinny”, as they put it, for an NFL running back. I thought that was strange but interesting until his production this year and those statements came back to me, as may have been a valid assessment.

by FloridaPatsFan on Jan 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He's overall yardage went down, but not YPC

It was a different year for Bama all around, his ability to maintain production isn’t really a factor though.

He didn’t have 1,600 yards or 270 carries, but his YPC, TDs, receptions and nearly all indicators of a good, productive feature back maintained levels year over year.

by JonnyNYC on Jan 28, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really...

since if he was good enough to be a feature back two years in a row, he’d have been a feature back two years in a row. For whatever reason, he went from being a feature back into a tandem back.

His YPC did dip significantly – he had 6.5ypc as a feature back over 271 carries, plus 32 receptions – 300 touches.

The next season he could only churn out 169 total touches – half the load – and lost 0.6ypc to be only 5.5ypc. That’s not good.

Compare that to Larry Johnson.
Johnson hit 336 carries in 2005 @ 5.2ypc – that’s excellent.
Johnson hit 416 carries in 2006 @ 4.3ypc – that’s a marked drop.
Johnson hit 158 carries in 2007 @ 3.5ypc – ouch.

Compare it to Shaun Alexander in the year he hit his most carries
Alexander hit 370 carries in 2005 @ 5.1ypc – that’s excellent
Alexander hit 252 carries in 2006 @ 3.6ypc – ouch.
Alexander hit 207 carries in 2007 @ 3.5ypc – bleh.

I’m just wary that Ingram’s performance almost looks like the same kind of track – yet far, far earlier in his career. He hits feature-back numbers and his next season’s YPC drops by over half a yard per carry over half as many touches – not good.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 28, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not an entirely fair comparison

Ingram had knee surgery right before the season and Bama had another back, Trent Richardson, who they wanted to get a lot of playing time. Both factors kept his workload down — he missed a couple of games recovering, then had to give up touches to Richardson, who Bama has to count on as their feature back next year. And since they had to know once Ingram got hurt that he wouldn’t come back for his senior year and risk getting hurt again before he could have an NFL payday, it was in their best interest (though not Ingrams) to give Richardson more carries so he’ll be better next year.

Ingram dropped from 19.4 carries per game last year to 14.4 this year, but note that Richardson also ended up with fewer carries this year than he had last year. In fact, in 2009, Bama ran 601 times, compared with 467 this year. And they only threw 16 more times this year than they did last year. It looks like they just ran fewer plays because they weren’t as dominant or as good at keeping possession this year, which could also affect Ingram’s numbers.

And Ingram still averaged 5.5 YPC this year. For a guy coming off knee surgery right before the season, I’m willing to accept that as close enough to his 6.1 YPC of last year. He doesn’t look to me like he’s dropped off at all. I just don’t think we particularly need him, not enough to draft him instead of fixing our problems at OL, DL, or OLB.

by RSNexile on Jan 28, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, but it cuts both ways

He was coming off knee surgery. But! He was coming off knee surgery. Not exactly ideal for a one-year feature back.

I just get a little ‘eh’ about one-year feature backs who need surgery on their knees and then have dropoffs of both overall production and average production.

Any and all of the above don’t scream “guaranteed NFL feature back!” to me. They suggest he’s a rotation guy, and that’s not worth a first-round pick – LoMo attests to that.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 28, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You know who else is coming off surgery?

Tom Brady. Just saying…

Ingram put up over 5 YPC for three years. He’s not a one-year wonder. He’s going to be very good if he goes to the right team. I just don’t think this is the right team.

by RSNexile on Jan 28, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

RBs are slightly different.

I think Ingram could be fine. But he strikes me as a risky pick because of his health issues and (potentially? seemingly?) iffy ability to carry a full load, all the time.

Basically, if the Pats used a 1st rounder on him, he’d either be a feature back or he’d be a bust. If he’s a feature back, then the Pats are likely to underutilise BJGE (a thousand-yard, 10+ TD runner) and underutilise (a thousand yard rusher/receiver). And if he’s not a feature back, then he’s a waste of a draft pick – you don’t use a first-rounder on a bit-part RB in a platoon, as LoMo showed us.

You could well be right, and he could be a very productive back. But even the issues in his short-ish college career faze me a little. Adrian Peterson had injury issues in college and was fantastic, but the list of first-round RBs who were underwhelming when they hit the Pros because they weren’t cut out to be feature backs is overwhelming – Reggie Bush, LoMo, Addai, LenDale White, CJ Spiller, Marion Barber III, etc. I’m suspicious of supposed feature backs as it is, and he’s got several of the indicators that’d make me wary.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 28, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And further that by today's college landscape

You don’t recruit players every year and not play them.
Richardson doesn’t come to Bama to be a back up 2 years in a row, just ask Cam Newton about that.

Production was there and it was solid 2 years in a row in a tough conference and with heisman and national championship targets on his back.

plus – I would never want LJ or Softy Shaun on my team ;)

by JonnyNYC on Jan 28, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If Ingram falls to Patriots, I wouldn’t be surprised BB took him if they thought he was top
of RB class. He would have to be a first year starter. BB may figure the people they want will still be there in deeper rounds. I don’t think they would take OL first round unless they needed an immediate starter. Why pay an OL player a couple million a year to sit as back up. If enough OL and QB get targeted in first round, there will be a lot of quality worthy of second round pick.

I could never imagine BB choosing an hyped elite player. He’ll pick real boring players that will make us yawn when we hear their name.

by prioris on Jan 28, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

They might well want an immediate starter...

One for Neal, perhaps one for Koppen, maybe for Mankins, and perhaps one for Light. Depends on a) whether they like Connolly to replace Neal, b) whether they want Koppen to start next year (he’s got on year left on his contract), c) Mankins re-signs, d) they Pats choose to re-sign Light.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

rather draft vereen

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 28, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I like Pierre Thomas

I remember hearing some rumblings at the deadline that the Pats nearly traded Terrence Wheatley to the Saints for Thomas. Apparently it fell through because of physicals or something. Not necessarily true, but there could be interest. He’s a complete back, and his versatility (tough inside runner with soft hands) would expand the options of the Patriots to use him in offensive packages. In the Jets playoff game, we used Woodhead a lot, and it seemed the Jets didn’t take him that seriously as a running threat when he was on the field. Having a bigger back who is still a dangerous receiver, combined with our tight ends, would make it very difficult for opponents to match personnel with us.

by 108 on Jan 28, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

DWILLS ALL THE WAY

2008- 273 rushes 1515 yds 94.7ypg 5.5ypc 18tds
2009- 216 rushes 1117 yds 85.9ypg 5.2ypc 7tds

need i say more? n to do that without a qb? r u serious? id luv to have the firm back, but def not at 4million per yr as uve speculated, im pretty sure that with dwills’ off yr we can get him around 3 yrs 21mil, barely more than what u think the firm would command and hes a much better player. plus it would give us leverage to bring the firm back at the price he deserves. DWILLS needs to be game planned for, and even when he is, if his line is up to snuff he still dominates. imaine when u have no choice but not to gameplan for him since they are to busy studying Brady? it would really be unfair. to top this all off he is only 27 and has very little mileage on him due to always being in a timeshare be it with stewart or davis. hes the one we need, and hes definitely the one i want. n honestly forget money, were always under the cap, this year we were wayyy under, we can definitely afford him.

by AMORALES on Jan 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

There is no way I see Williams being cheaper then Benny

If he was, or even if he isn’t – DeAngelo is not a bad guy to kick the tires with. I just think he’s going to be too expensive.

by JonnyNYC on Jan 28, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i never said hed be cheaper than the firm

just said he be a good value due to his off year

by AMORALES on Jan 28, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hes not getting more than j charles

and even j charles’ contract was reasonable depending on who u trust it was either 5yrs at less than 7mil a yr or 6yrs at less then 5mil a yr. either way im down to do that with DWILLS…but if j charles is getting less than 5mil no way i give the firm 4mil a yr. thats all im saying.

by AMORALES on Jan 28, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

there aren't feature backs available in the draft

I’d say keep who we have at running back and draft defense like crazy

by pats4life on Jan 28, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

I sure don't think so

the dude split carries in college. the Patriots already have a two-back system with Ellis and Woodhead

by pats4life on Jan 28, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

regardless if he is or isnt

id rather a tried and tested, respect commanding (especially from our oc) veteran stud, than a crapshoot rookie who may or may not be great. DWILLS put up better numbers in the NFL than ingram did last yr in college. and to top it off Ingram may end up costing more than DWILLS. plus we can keep that pick for something more important and more difficult to find at a reasonable price in FA. DWILLS imho is wayyyyyy more valuable to us than ingram when all thiungs are considered.

by AMORALES on Jan 28, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats should focus on OL & DL in draft

It is difficult to project 1st round RB’s and WR’s. It’s a huge risk taking skill players high. Bust after bust after bust. Nobody knows if a certain skill player will make it, but OL, DL, LB’s and DB’s are better investments in the 1st round IMHO. So, focus on the OL and a pass rusher.

And, if there is a shortage of legit OL talent then trade down and get more picks. The draft is a crap shoot. The best way to improve your odds of landing legit players is to increase the number of picks you have in the draft (Bill knows best policy). Except for a few elite guys I would say that the draft so unpredictable that quantity of picks is often better than quality of picks. So, the more talent that makes its way to camp the better the odds of finding the guys will be.

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by sgawrys on Jan 28, 2011 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

SAFEST RB OPTION

Get one of those proven 30+ year old NFL RB that other teams discard.

Also sign Faulk for one more year or use Clayton. They plucked him back from cleveland waivers even after waiving him. Clayton must have something they like.

by prioris on Jan 28, 2011 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Why Change?

I honestly do not see a need to go after an elite back in free agency or a back in the first 2 or 3 rounds in the draft. The Pats really are not a team that does too much on the ground, mostly short passes to compensate, as they say, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Benny and Woodhead have a nice niche in the Pats offense.

by woodhead...lol on Jan 28, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

Change Because......

All though it may not be broke, it is not taken seriously by the defense to take the heat off of Brady and the passing game. I agree on not taking a back in the first round, there are more pressing needs and holes that the Patriots must fill.

by Brady's Revenge on Jan 29, 2011 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

Either Pierre Thomas or Mike Tolbert please. :)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Without a "heavy" running back

Brady will have a short career. I have said this before. If you look at game films for A. Smith and Dillon you see what one of the “missing” elements was for the Patriots of the last few years. Those two backs "ripped"major yardage runs in the 4th quarter of many of their games. Opposing defenses get tired, Corey Dillon made them pay. The shotgun is,in fact, defensible. A “Tunreresque” back punching the D in the mouth makes a tremendous difference.

If Brady has a bad day, as he has had in the last two playoff games, a legitimate power runner will help. Look at how Big Ben, who threw a sucky game against the jets, was bailed out by his BIG back.

Regrettably I don’t see any FA’s that fill this bill….maybe a pick can be found.

by tstorey1 on Jan 29, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

brady was the fewest sacked starting QB in the league last year I believe.

so, imo, he wont have a short career. but besides that:

Pittsburgh was NEVER really a passing team. second, brady is more efficient out of the shotgun, and play action. third, BJGE was a great RB for us last year, and very dependable, as well was woody.

I would like a bigger RB though. would certainly help green-ellis a lot.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 29, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Free Agnecy for the running game.....

Absolutley right tstory;
Neal is good for maybe like 5 or 6 games and retired by the end of the new year. Mankins….. well seem’s…….more than gone already, it’s just not specifically inked yet.
Guard’s x2…NOW.
Kazur, out all this year w/ a back injury (& the type that just doesn’t go away either), so as soon as he injures it slightly again, he’s unreliable if not out the rest of the year again… Matt Light on the decline already, still good-but loosing it, he’s good for two year’s maybe, but not as the Matt light we know that’s for sure.
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OTackle x2 …NOW.
*Still missing that OLB we “desperately” need. OLBx1…NOW.
*still missing that DE we “desperately” need, DEx1…NOW.
That’s four pick’s and assumed that we move up to get all four GOOD ONES, that’s 5 pick’s used off the top……
The rest are lower level pick’s where the talent level really begin’s to drop off in general, not mentioning of course the “possable luck” that can be had finding a star in the 6th round……………..
Getting a Free Agent RB so we are not as predictable as we clearly have been is without qeustion!!!!!
I’d not use a pick for a running back for sure. We could just suck it up & Pay in Free Agency for a “Power” RB like DeAngelo William’s or Amad Bradshaw give either one a two year initial deal and make sure that with that addition to the Law-Firm and Woody Tandum, both we know, as well as the rest of the leage team’s know’s, that we again have a real run game again. That “we can take it to the house”, and pound through your D………..ala’ Antwon Smith/Corry Dillon.
Cedric Benson would also be a great addition for us adding to the Tandum of Woddy and BJ-GE, he also has and bring’s great secial team’s play at the same time that we can use, and BB likes…….if not the even bigger Power RB.
Without question, I would get a free agent RB. Leon Washington out of seatle is also another with special team’s capabilities to look at, but not before Cedric Benson in that regard.
A two year deal for any of them, gives us the space to use our pick’s on the O-line, and the D-line as well considering that Ron Brace went out on a strecher in a neck “brace” in the Chicago game. Players like Wright and a few other are conditional/cituational player’s only, one Warren is back but the other Warren maybe leaving and didn’t live up too all his hype……
The D-line need’s new steady help as well.
Save the pick’s for the O & D lines and a B.A. OLB.
Getting a vereran power RB and a veteran power DE will give us the time to get a rookie Rb next year, groom him and continue running.
I’d suck it up and walk up to DE Jason Babin House with a pre-named Patriot jersey and a check in my hand if I’m BB or Kraft ……..

Then i’d start a.s.ap. on my Free Agent RB list…….

 

by C.C. on Jan 31, 2011 3:00 AM EST reply actions  

hhmmmm.
  • Neal’s gone. If he plays in ‘11, it’s a bonus. Connolly has proven a capable starter, even if he’s not All Pro. If Mankins goes, however, they need a GOOD interior lineman, most likely from the draft.
  • They need one (1) tackle, not 2. Vollmer seems like a stud, at LT or RT, but they need one for the other end.
  • OLB, they’ll take one in the draft. Might not be in the 1st, like how they passed on Kindle last year (thank God) but took Cunningham in the 2nd. Someone’s coming in, anyway.
  • DE, same as OLB
  • RB, they’ll take one or two of the plethora available in the lower rounds, as well as bring in someone from free agency. Pierre Thomas sounds like a good pickup, depending on the physical…
    DeAngelo Williams and Ahmad Bradshaw are about the worst two examples you could have picked for a power back. Bradshaw has Jacobs, plus that little fumbling problem (far worse than Maroney’s). Williams has Jonathan Stewart. Backs like Corey Dillon are VERY hard to find – power and speed, and the ability to carry the ball 35 times a game. Smith wouldn’t take one to the house. Benson really struggled in 2010, after struggling in Chicago. So far, he’s had 1 good season, and 5 mediocre ones. Career average of 3.7 YPC. Wouldn’t touch him. I’d look at Leon Washington, but Woodhead is just as good as Washington on offense, and Tate did as much returning kicks.
  • Ty Warren should help with run D, and Gerard Warren didn’t come in with a huge amount of hype. He was never in the same league as Seymour, but he had been a solid NFL starter. He continued that in Foxboro, although he had a drop in form in the second half of the year. Brace (I see what you did there) should be a part of a D-line rotation with G Warren and Pryor (and a couple of others) and with Warren/Wilfork/Drafted DE starting, that’s some quality depth. Brace could start if they go down that path.
  • Bit hard to sign guys pre-draft if you don’t have the #1 pick. Just sayin’.

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by insertscreenname on Jan 31, 2011 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

That last part...

Crap. You said Babin, not Houston.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on Jan 31, 2011 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Pucking back clayton.....

The reason the Pat’s plucked back alot more than just clayton, is that everybody was 1/2 and or 3/4 injured. With all the initial injuries mounting, and the uncertainty of ppl like Woodhead yet…..What if the
Jet’s tossed Woody for a reson and he just didn’t heppen to work out with us???? Hence The tandum of BJ-GE and Clayton VS The tandum of BJ-GE and Woody.
 They Plucked back so many players off the pratice squad, waivers and the like because even though they did what they did all year, it was done with cituational players, and sub-par players filling in for injured and conditional and sub-par players……..
They had to pluck him back just in case.
get a Free Agent power back ala’ Antwon Smith/ Cory Dillon, and wait for a rookie stud next year to groom.

by C.C. on Jan 31, 2011 3:11 AM EST reply actions  

Corey Dillon isn't walking through that door.

Brown and Williams FA’s are more in the Dillon mode 230 lbs. BB knows more about them than I do. My sense is no.

I don;t think there is a defensive coordinator in the league who spends a great deal of time worrying about how to stop BJGE or Danny for that matter.

This has been an issue for the Pats for a number of years now. Brady needs help and I don’t mean head case wide receivers. Smith and Dillon had an “effect” on opposing defenses and this is the help the QB and the team needs as a whole. I think that Mendenhall’s game against the Jets is a good example of a big back carrying an offense for a couple of quarters,Ben sucked, but, his big back saved his bacon.

Brady needs this kind if help.

by tstorey1 on Feb 5, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

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