Kevin Faulk, Ron Brace Returning to Practice
by Greg Knopping on Oct 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT
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PrintYesterday, the Patriots released defensive backs Ross Ventrone and Sterling Moore, opening up two spots on the team's 53 man roster. Most speculated that the team could fill those spots with one or two of the four players eligible to come off of reserve lists: running back Kevin Faulk, offensive lineman Marcus Cannon, and defensive linemen Ron Brace and Brandon Deaderick.
Well, according to Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com, Kevin Faulk and Ron Brace have told reporters that they are returning to pracitce.
Of course, while the Patriots have two open roster spots, the team doesn't need to fill them immediately. From the day that any PUP player begins to practice, the team has three weeks to decide whether to activate that player or place them on injured reserve.
With a bye week ahead of them as they have two weeks to prepare for the Steelers, the Patriots can take their sweet time when deciding which players to activate. Like the rest of Patriots nation, I'm really pulling for Kevin Faulk and I really hope he will be activated and ready to go against the Steelers.
And I don't just "want" the Patriots to get Faulk back, I think they could really use him. Danny Woodhead is a great change of pace back, but hasn't been as effective of a blocker this year as he was in 2010. Shane Vereen is healthy, but has yet to play a snap for the Patriots in his rookie year. Getting back a player like Kevin Faulk, who will have an instant rapport with Tom Brady a la Deion Branch, can only help the Patriots offense. So yes, I do believe that there is space for Faulk on the roster.
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I want to change my vote
that’s a real good point about Faulk’s blocking ability.
3rd down:
Light, Mankins, Connelly, Waters, Volmer
GRONK, Herndo
Faulk
Yeah, good luck getting through that!
plus welker and branch
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by freeland1787 on Oct 18, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Only problem I have with Faulk...
Is that it hinders the young guys, but they’ll have their chances eventually. Vereen came on for a few 3rd down snaps against the Cowboys, and it looked like he was starting to develop that role for the future. I was getting excited about seeing him develop and getting more playing time, even as a 3rd down blocker, and Faulk will presumably keep him on the bench.
That said, Faulk is clearly the best blocking and receiving running back on the team and will help in the short-term, I’m just being a selfish fan who loves young guys too much. Hopefully Ridley and Vereen can find spots in the first two days and stay somewhat in the mix, or at least carve out a special teams niche.
Brace is coming back now and everybody has been excited to see what he can do as a 4-3 guy, but I’m also excited for Deaderick’s versatility, a la Ellis. He can play inside and outside in the 4-3 and end in the 3-4, and hopefully can learn a thing or two from the old man.
Yah, I was going to say that Vereen did play multiple snaps...
working on his technique at blitz-pickup, and he did a good job at it in limited action. Ridley is still a work in progres.
Woodhead’s good at it unless it’s a defense tackle, in which case the little guy gets run over.
Green-Ellis is an excellent runner but not great at the blitz pickup. He should have picked up some of those hits on Brady..
It is what it is
Deaderick back as well.
“Returning to practice from the PUP list were defensive linemen Brandon Deaderick and Ron Brace, as well as running back Kevin Faulk. It was Faulk’s first time practicing with the team since Sept. 2010.” – Mike Reiss
the secondary played well against the cowboys
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by freeland1787 on Oct 18, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
although as Greg Bedard pointed out in this morning's Globe
Outside of the offsetting penalties, Romo didn’t attempt one pass 20 yards or more. Against the Lions, he attempted five (11.4 percent).
Romo wouldn’t take a chance throwing to Bryant or Miles Austin if he saw a safety lurking over the top. And Romo would look away from Witten if Patriots linebackers Rob Ninkovich and Gary Guyton and end Andre Carter blasted Witten coming off the line, which they did 14 times. …
The Patriots simply attacked more, against the pass and the run.
The question becomes, did Romo decide not to throw downfield because of Garrett’s game-plan, because of what happened with his last two late-game losses, or did it have something to do with how the Patriots secondary was covering and the pressure he was under? Probably a bit of all three.
Was anyone else surprised that there wasn’t a play in the second half featuring a long ball to big receiver Dez Bryant with McCourty covering? I was.
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Could be - no one even brought up that possibility
In Dallas or here. You’re the FIRST!
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by Hometown Gyro on Oct 19, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"Probably a bit of all three."
Pass defense is a TEAM effort?
Shocking revelation! Marima – you are going to upheave the worlds of hundreds of sport ‘analysts’ who live in a world where single scapegoat targets are a necessity!
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Dez Bryant has just 50 yards recieving in the 2nd half of the games he's played in all season. He disappears
in the 2nd half. Had Romo seen him in single coverage against Bodden on that goal line stand in the late 4th, i think they would’ve gotten the touchdown.
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No problem with Faulk
It’s probably his last year, and it would be nice if he didn’t have to leave the field feet first in his last game.
He’s a great blocker, runs hard through the hole, and catches great out of the backfield. The younger guys can learn more from him being on the field than from just talking to him.
Another thing. We currently have Edelman, Welker and Faulk that are trusted enough to field punts. When Edelman went down, our #1 receiver had to pick up the slack. This gives us a third option.
My only concern is that there may be positions of greater need. I think Belichick knows best, however.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 18, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
my only question is how do we field 6 DTs?
We can’t expect Andre Carter to play virtually every snap in every game, and right now the depth we have at DE is mediocre- Anderson is good, but Cunningham can never get on the field.
Is it possible that Wilfork starts playing more downs at DE?
Faulk being back is an amazing addition. Woodhead is good, but having the 1-2 of BJGE and Faulk is spectacular. Vereen will essentially be a special teamer for the year, and Ridley will be able to spell Benny.
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by Austin Martin on Oct 18, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry at this point
I see Faulk as a step back from Woodhead. Or two.
by frogfromthemud on Oct 18, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
As a runner, perhaps.
But a 5’ 8" RB can only do so much when blocking. Faulk is streets ahead there. And Faulk has always been Brady’s go-to when they really needed a first down. It might not be there after 18 months off, but he adds another mental connection (with Welker and Branch, and seemingly Gronkowski) to Brady.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
...
But a 5’ 8" RB can only do so much when blocking.
Please do not give me high balls like this because i am as evil as hell:P
Kevin Faulk #33 RB
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Height: 5-8 Weight: 202 Age: 35
Danny Woodhead #39 RB
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Height: 5-8 Weight: 195 Age: 26
Faulk has more experience and better technics. Knows when to stand and when to cut, and harder to fool. At similar stage of their carrier I think Faulk’s technic was worse and had a lot of missed blocks. He evolved. With experience.
As a runner, perhaps.
I already give the edge to Woodhed as receiver too. And as a blocker: i am not sure as Faulk’s legs will be quick enough to use his knowledge.
And again: Woodhead is basically in his second year as NFL player, after his first off season work with the Pats. Smart as hell, one of the most gifted athletes of the team(minus size) bwhat he needs is experience.
by frogfromthemud on Oct 19, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If you think Faulk and Woodhead are the same size, I want whatever you're using.
Woodhead as a general reciever, yeah. But if they have another 4th And 2, and Faulk is pretty much back to Faulk and up to gamespeed, I want Faulk motioning out of the backfield.
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We should send in somebody
with a measuring stick. :D But seriously there is minimal difference in high, and not much of a difference in weight. And again: Faulk was a significantly worse blocker the Woodhead.
But if they have another 4th And 2, and Faulk is pretty much back to Faulk and up to gamespeed, I want Faulk motioning out of the backfield.
And i want Woodhead..:) Thanks God non of us had anything to do with it, we would probably ruin the Patriots organization anyway. :D
by frogfromthemud on Oct 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I want a high ball!
Though, drinking it at work would probably be discouraged.
Faulk is a better blocker than Woody. I love Toy Story, but he gets owned in blitz pickup.
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by Hometown Gyro on Oct 19, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd just hire Belichick back for about ten mil a year.
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Did you mean only as a Pats player? Or in general? Cause he's been in the league for 4 yrs.
Woodhead is basically in his second year as NFL player
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wolvereen will get his chances
RBs get banged up always
by sweetjesusihatethejets on Oct 18, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would much rather have woody/ridley to be the #2 runner
and faulk be the 3rd down guy.
And Carter so far has been doing well. Stats may not say it, but he is getting double teamed sometimes which is a good sign.
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Carter is a beast who
draws a second guy usually because he already beat the first guy. Think we’re going to be getting a double-digit sack season out of him, plus who-knows how many hurries and QB hits and tackles for losses ontop of what he has already amassed. I’m not going to be shocked if PFF rates him as the best 4-3 RDE.
It is what it is
Deaderick could kick outside like Ellis.
by Richard Hill on Oct 18, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Like to see what deadrick can do.
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Too many RB's so I guess Vereen gets the short end of the stick?
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Danny Woodhead is a great change of pace back, but hasn’t been as effective of a blocker this year as he was in 2010.
I’ve always wondered how things like that happen in the NFL. How can you be so effective at one thing one year, and kind of lose it the next? Is it a case of age/diminishing skills?
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Woodhead is not worse than was
and not diminishing. And last year was basically his first. As for Faulk:at the same stage of his carrier could not block well and had some serious fumble issues. There was a reason why J.R. Redmond played as 2 minute back during the 2001 play offs.
by frogfromthemud on Oct 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
3 catches for 23 yards
to start off the final drive in superbowl 36 for JR Redmond
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by freeland1787 on Oct 18, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Redmond stepped up for some key plays
against Oakland and the Rams. But he was on the field because Faulk struggled. I mean “2 fumble in 40 touches and missed blocks” kind of struggles. Otherwise the rookie Redmond would not be in for him.
by frogfromthemud on Oct 18, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the drop-off has been that bad.
Mostly because I think Woodhead struggled more than we think last year. He only has one move, the cut block, and while he does well with what he has, there’s only so much a guy that small can do.
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Some folks are way to quick to forget what Faulk has done for this team huh?
/Sigh
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Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
I'm excited to have Brace back.
He had a really unfortunate injury at the end of last year, but he showed a lot of improvement. The 4-3 scheme fits him well, too.
We still have so much depth along the defensive front:
Wilfork – DT
Haynesworth – DT
Love – DT
Brace – DT
Deaderick – DT/LDE
Warren – DT/LDE
Ellis – DT/LDE
Carter – RDE
Anderson – RDE
Cunningham – RDE
It’d just be nice to see Cunningham turn things around a little bit, out of the guys listed he’s probably at the very bottom of the depth chart, and I’m not sure how much of it is even his fault.
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Andre Carter is just playing to well at the moment.
To justify playing Cunningham, especially when Anderson is producing sacks as well. Hopefully JC will rise to the challenge, and earn some playing time. But i don’t think the player we saw last year has disappeared.
Brady > Mallett > Hoyer > Sanchez
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JC has a lot to try learning,
and having a guy like Carter around is an opportunity he should take advantage of. The guy’s got the attitude to be an excellent mentor.
It is what it is
Its got to help Cunningham...
hanging with Ellis and Carter
by sweetjesusihatethejets on Oct 18, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Faulk needed
A reliable healthy 3rd down option and Faulk certainly is was lacking lately. Ocho playing poorly; Branch inconsistent,Woodward hurt he will fit in. Ridley and Vereen need their chances too. How Brace and Taylor Price play will determine if they stay I should imagine.
Asante?
Reading lots of reports that the Eagles are shopping our former CB, think we should make a play and try an bring him back?
Absolutely not.
He has no place on this defense. Can’t/won’t tackle and consistently ignores assignments to take high-risk gambles. His skills have also declined since leaving. No thanks.
You're blocking again. Tell us how you REALLY feel.
…and BTW, I absolutely agree.
I lamented his leaving in 2009 simply because that left Hobbs as our best corner (when he should never have been more than a nickel back) and it put Deltha O’Neal on the field which was painful to watch.
Since then, I’ve never wanted him back. My son is an Eagles fan, so I’ve seen more than I care to of Asante Samuel.
Thanks, but no thanks.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 18, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if his play was a little better
his attitude totally stinks. What a cancer to have in the locker room.
What makes you say this?
Are there any incidents that I’m not aware of where he was a locker room cancer?
No, just judgments i guess.
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He has no place on this defense. Can’t/won’t tackle and consistently ignores assignments to take high-risk gambles. His skills have also declined since leaving. No thanks.
That sounds like Meriweather.
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To his credit
Meriweather tried to tackle, and was often devastating in the (increasingly rare) event that contact was made. Samuel just didn’t like getting hit.
meriweather didnt gamble with interceptions
he kept trying to jar the receiver when he came across the middle. patrick chung tries to put the big hit occasionally and he does it with great effect without drawing a penalty
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by freeland1787 on Oct 18, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
That’s also why I liked Meriweather (while hating him too). I appreciated how he wanted to enforce, hated how he went about doing so. Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if, when he grows up – or someone grows him up – he becomes quite valuable.
Remember, Harrison was once dumped too.
I wouldn't compare the two.
Before coming to the Pats, Rodney had already racked up 26 INTs, 20.5 sacks, 2 Pro-Bowls and 1 All-pro. He had an established reputation as one of the most feared safeties in the league.
Meriweather has nowhere near the same cache or accomplishments as Rodney, and he shows no promise of developing into that type of player.
Agreed, can't compare them
But I wonder if Meriweather had the opportunity to play with Harrison for a few more years if he wouldn’t have gone off track with his decision-making on (and off) the field.
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Chung can also tackle properly.
When he’s not getting tripped up by Guyton.
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Pretty sure Guyton also tripped up McCourty once.
That early catch followed by lots of yardage from Bryant appeared to be caused by feet entanglemen between Guyton and the corner, McCourty. On one of McCourty’s other “missed-tackles”(he did slow the guy..) in the second-half, Guyton failed to play until the whistle went off, having wrongly-assumed McCourty had pushed the receiver out of bounds. His pause allowed another bunch of yardage-after-catch.
Can’t wait for Mayo to be back. Him and Spikes, alternating with Ninkovich in base and then a nickelback in sub.
It is what it is
Dez made both of them look like fools. Chungs inability to make a play there had nothing to do with
Guyton.
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Guyton had the inside and overcommitted,
Chung had the outside covered until Guyton slipping forced him to cover the inside as well. Now, there’s no guarantee he’s able to bring down Bryant single-handedly, but Guyton’s error created the play.
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What makes u write this? He is constantly up at the leader board for ints.
His skills have also declined since leaving. No thanks.
He has always been a terrible tackler, but i have yet to see the ‘decline in skill’ you refer to.
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I really don't understand the Asante hate
Was he a perfect player? No. But he made a lot of big plays for us and was a decent player the years he was here, winning 2 superbowls with us.
Did he gamble a bit, and allow some big plays too? Sure he did. But at the end of the day, he was a starting corner on a pretty damn good defense, who had a knack for coming up with some huge momentum swinging turnovers. He did his job, made plays in big moments and won games.
Because he gambled on interceptions and dropped the biggest one in the history of football.
Live by the pick, die by the pick.
After that, he was never going to play for the Pats again.
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BECAUSE HE DROPPED THE BIGGEST ONE IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL
Repeated and emphasized.
by SSiewar on Oct 19, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh please
That’s just scapegoating at its absolute worst. It was NOT an easy interception by any means. Did the ball bounce off his hands? Yes. Does that mean he dropped it? No.
He had to jump up a good 20-30 inches and extend fully just to get at the ball, and it really just bounces off the top of his hand/fingertips (not his palms). I bet probably 80% of the people posting here couldn’t even get to the ball so don’t pin the loss on him. Blame the defense overall for their inability to get a stop, blame the refs for not calling BLATANT holds on the helmet catch play, blame the offense for its inability to get anything going until their last scoring drive, but you can’t pin the entire loss on him for not coming up with a potential interception which was nowhere near an “easy” play.
It should have been a pick, that's what he does.
And he didn’t.
He catches that ball if it were week 6. Same as Moss on the final drive – he catches that bomb from Brady if it was early November.
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How on earth cn you say that should have been a pick???
It hits his fingertips, after he’s fully extended and at the full height of his jump. Going by asante’s height, reach and vertical leap, I would estimate that the ball was probably a good 9-10 feet off the ground.
Its just crazy and ridiculous to say that that’s a ball that he “should” have gotten. Easy for us armchair football players to say “pathetic!! how the hell did he not get that!!!!” but it was NOT an easy play by any means. Could Randy Moss or Meagtron have come up with that ball? Probably. But 5-10 Asante Samuel? Forgetaboutit
As for the bomb to Moss, that one kills me :( but it was underthrown (Randy slows down to try catch it).
And come on, those are LONG shot plays. A 60/70 yard hail mary with 20 seconds left? An interception on a ball that’s up 9 feet high? We lost that game cause their defense kicked our asses for 60 minutes, not because of one play or two plays. So stop trying to turn guys into scapegoats because thats what hacks like Shaughnessy do and it makes us look like petty, sore losers. That’s my main problem with this really, I’m not like a huge asante fan or anything, but I hate how he’s been turned into a scapegoat. People calling him the next Bill Buckner? GTFO.
by j-ace on Oct 20, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeesh
I can’t find the link, but Asante Samuel himself thought he should have had that interception. Of course it wasn’t the sole reason they lost, but it would have sealed the victory had he made it. No one ever brings up the extra time on the clock the Giants were given at the end of the game either. Whole bunch of things went wrong in that game.
The pictures of Rob Ryan arguing heatedly with the refs in the Dallas game because he was arguing that his defense had Brady “in the grasp” and the whistle should have been blown made me laugh. Don’t even talk to Pats fans about having a QB in the grasp.
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Yeah as a matter of fact its in the YouTube link above in which he said it. It was at the very start of the
vid. That being said, every player in the NFL has screwed up at some point. Some are on grander stages than others.
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by PatNation85 on Oct 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I took that as just him being hard on himself tbh
Sorry, just needed to rant about this, kind of a pet peeve that everyone still looks for scapegoats and excuses for that loss. We got beat fair and square, and it was horrible. Let’s just admit it and move on. Did we get some unlucky bounces that game? Sure. But how many lucky bounces did we have go our way for our 3 superbowls?
Asante wasn’t a perfect player but he did some good things for us here, and its just silly and not very classy imo to just trash him when he leaves town because he failed to come up with a interception which wasn’t a gimme by any stretch of the imagination. Especially considering that the average Joe who talks so much crap about him could only come down with a ball like that maybe once in 10 tries.
by j-ace on Oct 20, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, last time i checked the record setting offense didn't perform well either.
The defense did well right up until the drive that needs to stop being mentioned.
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Eh
Asante did his share of public complaining about the Patriots organization when he left. Not very classy of him either. Of course he did some terrific things for the team, but someone thinking that he should have had that interception or criticizing his tackling (which the Eagles do as well) are both valid points and shouldn’t be considered “trashing” him.
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I agree with this (folks have a right to criticize Asante's faults), but
the way it was written way up above kinda makes it seem like Asante’ deserves sole, exclusive blame for the SB loss. Two posts rationalized ‘hate’ because he “DROPPED THE BIGGEST ONE IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL”.
I pick on Asante’ all the time – as a check of my post history would show – but it was just one of several plays that just didn’t go our way that day.
I might as well rant with hate at Rodney for “NOT BREAKING UP THE BIGGEST CATCH IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL” or at Brady for “ONLY SCORING 17 POINTS IN THE BIGGEST GAME IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL” or …
There were probably around 6 or 7 plays, any single one of them could have completely flipped the outcome.
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Don't mess with my Rodney
Strangely, that’s the one image from Super Bowl 42 that I am drawn to. If that ball was anywhere on David Tyree’s body – except his freaking helmet, a place where no receiver has ever caught a ball before – Rodney Harrison would have knocked it loose. Harrison did everything in his power to dislodge that ball, in the split second that it took for the play to happen. Perfect technique, etc… It was one of those things.
The question then turns to, why was Rodney covering Tyree? It was Asante Samuel’s guy. Asante moved toward the line of scrimmage instead of sticking with Tyree so Harrison had to cover him. /Sigh.
Keep the faith!
In the end, that doesn't matter.
It doesn’t matter whether it should have been Asante or Rodney covering Tyree. He didn’t make the catch because Rodney was covering him. He made it in spite of Rodney covering him perfectly – because of a fluke chance that he got enough purchase to squeeze that ball so tight against his helmet.
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Maybe we all need to wish a little harder...
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It's strange you mention the miracle play,
Considering Tyree was meant to be covered by Samuel. Instead, Samuel drifted off when Manning turned into Barry Sanders, and left Tyree all alone in the middle of the field.
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How do you say this with such certainty?
Not a rhetorical question, genuinely wondering if someone has come out and said this was the case.
Otherwise, we have no idea what their assignments were so I don’t know how you can say he was meant to be there…
Its not like we can see whats going on with the coverage in the back end with the TV copy of the game either
BTW
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not Asante fan by any means. He’s a flawed player who plays a risky style of football. Its completely fair to criticise him for that. Just think its gone too far that way though and we’re not really treating him very fairly. That, and I hate scapegoating – I think its lazy and ignorant.
Hell even with Bill Buckner it really wasn’t fair that he was the scapegoat for the 86 loss considering Schiraldi and Stanley were just as culpable.
But I guess its much easier to just play a youtube clip and pin the loss on one play… :(
That play has been dissected to death
and it was Asante’s guy. I don’t feel like wading through the links from that game to find it though, and then have it stuck in my head all morning.
Keep the faith!
Tony Dungy broke down the play on NBC in front of Rodney Harrison.
It was quite clear that Asante was man to man on Tyree on the right side of the field (top left of the screen as they displayed it), Rodney was covering the deep left side (lower left of the screen).
Once Eli was in the grasp, Asante left Tyree and jogged back to the LOS. Tyree ran center of the field where there wasn’t any coverage. Standard scramble drill stuff, the CB should maintain coverage by shadowing the receiver. Rodney saw Tyree come open a second too late (he wasn’t on the secondary cover responsibility – they talked aboutthat), and got there almost in time to make a play. If Asante had stuck to Tyree, Eli might not have thrown the ball, it might have been picked, or it might not have changed anything. We’ll never know.
Net result Rodney did great, and Asante did poorly.
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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, Rodney said that it doesn't matter whether it was his responsibility or not.
He felt he should have been able to make that play.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Rodney Harrison also said he has no regrets about that play
Harrison simply calls the key play inexplicable.
“Not in a million years does he make that catch again,” said Harrison. "I don’t have any regrets on it. I saw the ball, went up for it, and did my best to grab it out. It goes on his head, so what can you say?
“I think you have to understand that certain things happen that you just can’t explain.”
Keep the faith!
And that's probably what annoys me the most.
Yeah, the offense had its ass kicked all over the field that day, but it took the biggest miracle of all miracles just to put the Giants in a position to score the go-ahead TD.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
You know I can live with the loss and I do.
Besides the loss, there are two things I find regretable:
First, Welker tied the SB record for catches and probably would have won the MVP if we’d won the game. He left it all on the field that day.
Second, Eli Manning in NO WAY was the MVP. Pick any man on the D-line and they were more valuable than Manning. Even Tyree was more valuable in that play than Manning. Can’t stand the guy – never could.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The head official that didn't call the sack should've been the MVP of that
SB.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Well, there's that, too.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree with you more
MVP should have gone to either Michael Strahan or the entire D-line.
Keep the faith!
Ah I see...
I didn’t go and watch/read any of the postgame stuff from that game…. And usually I change the channel or leave the room when something related to “That Game” comes up.
sigh :(
Man didn't know about those details at all
But hearing this, when Belichick was evaluating whether to bring Asante back or not, plays like that (mental lapses) were probably a much bigger no-no than the missed interception
Asante said he was looking for a big payday.
He even has a tat on one of his biceps that says Get Paid For This or something like that.
After bone head plays like that, he wasn’t worth it to the Pats. Probably wouldn’t have been worth it without them.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 22, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We have a winner!
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 24, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear Kato Serwanga is available.
True wealth is a shelf full of unread books.
by Hometown Gyro on Oct 19, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Faulk back is a good thing
A little mentorship in uniform is a good thing, IMO. Plus, Kevin is one of the most dangerous third down weapons in the league and another set of hands for Brady to throw to. At least, he was. Hopefully, he hasn’t lost a step.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
I'm sure he was a great rehab coach in Welker.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 18, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully, he hasn’t lost a step.
Thats what Im afraid of….. at least he is a great blocker too. And if he is not ready I’m sure BB will have him practice for a couple weeks (good thing we have a bye week eh?).
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Thankfully he has had a lot of time to get healthy.
He is far removed from the surgery and has had more than a year to build up strength in the knee.
Running backs...
with age and injuries are running backs we can’t get our hopes up on. There’s a reason why the Pats spent a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick on a pair of running backs instead of another safety or d-lineman.
It is what it is
Yep. Just another piece.
This team has a history of dealing well with injuries.
True wealth is a shelf full of unread books.
by Hometown Gyro on Oct 19, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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