An Ugly Win Disguised as a Blow-Out
by Middlesex on Nov 22, 2011 12:37 AM EST
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PrintHKC ran the ball 26 times and passed 38 times. The Pats ran the ball 35 times and tried passing 28 times. Huh?
Brady went 15 compelted passes for 28 attempts. Hernandez had some flashes but also some drops. Branch and Welker weren't much of a factor(beyond the double-teaming Welker drew). Ochocinco and Price both got snaps and did nothing. The Pass-O was saved by Rob Gronkowski.
The defense allowed as many yards as Brady managed against the KC D. The NE pass-D was saved by CBs Kyle Arrington, Phillip Adams, and the three interceptions they managed. Would need to watch again to see who was blowing coverage the most. Molden looked like the weak link of the secondary again.
One curious move on the part of Belichick was not switching Andre Carter to Palko's blindside(Palko is left-hand so the weakside becomes the strong) where the lesser of their two tackles(Richardson) operates.
The run-D looks horrible on paper but subtract 2 big runs and they actually held the KC run game in check more often than not. Would need to watch again to get a better feel for who was responsible for the big run by Jones for 26 and the 19 yarder by Battle.
The same however could be said of our run-O.
Shane Vereen, we've been waiting to hear from you.
Ryan Wendell had some good flashes at Center.
Marcus Cannon got some snaps which was great to see.. The Matt Light injury was not great to see and bears watching.
Conclusion:
Take out one blown coverge leading to Gronk's first TD, the blown special-teams play allowing Edelman to a TD, the Vereen overkill TD, and the three interceptions by Tyler Palko(at least 1 or maybe 2 of which were on KC receivers) and we're talking about a very different game than what the score indicates.
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Bad analysis
Although the team did not play up to there potential in the first half, the talent discrepancy was easy to notice.
Andre Carter is better off playing the position he will play the rest of the season to get reps.
In terms of the interceptions they were either forced by pressure or Tyler Palko making bad throws. Don’t blame it on the receiver when it is wayyyyy behind them.
We won a game that we should of won because we are a far better team, however we did not execute as well as we could of. Thats it.
Andre Carter can play either RDE or LDE..
..you typically want him on the opposing QB’s weakside, which in this case would have been LDE where he’d be matched up predominately against KC’s worst tackle. Anderson is great(and played great) but doesn’t get as many snaps as Carter who’s considered to be better aganst the run than Anderson.
It is what it is
Take out this, that, this, that, this, and Hitler wins WW2 as well
by quadruple option on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions
he overlooked the fact that America is America
our military has never lost against a formal military opponent
New England Patriots: 5-2 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets, Cowboys, and Steelers
by freeland1787 on Nov 22, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
The Nazis couldn't stop Thomas Jones either
All that blitzkrieging and no results to show for it
Oh, fuck you Mason. Just fuck you. Why don't we talk after the game, all right? Just shut the fuck up." -Bill Belichick, consummate badass
Molden was playing the #2 CB. Adams came in in sub packages and when arrington went down i believe.
I thought Molden did well today.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
the fact he didn't suck was good enough for me
kyle arrington is outplaying DMC’s rookie season
New England Patriots: 5-2 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets, Cowboys, and Steelers
by freeland1787 on Nov 22, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Not so fast-
He’s playing out of his mind, but he’s still behind McCourty’s rookie year. He’s giving up more yards/attempt in his direction. He’s definitely in the discussion, though.
by Richard Hill on Nov 22, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
Pats pass-D would be screwed without KA,
but I have to agree, his coverage isn’t as spectacular as McCourty’s was last year. Where’d that guy go anyways?
It is what it is
He's overthinking and scared of the big play.
Last season he was just gaming and had safety help. Now he’s his only help over the top and is playing too safely.
by Richard Hill on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't go too far to say that.
He has the same safety, Chung, over the top in his area this season when healthy. I think McCourty was just having a down year. Maybe its due to expectations? Who knows, but I know that McCourty is our best CB, and should not be fully judged for this year’s performance.
KA was just in the right place at the right time more often than not, which is what anyone in the secondary should be. But he is not McCourty.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Chung has been on Arrington's side all season.
by Richard Hill on Nov 22, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
McCOurty played LCB
And chung was on his side. occasionally they switch sides, but McCourty’s primary was on the side of chung, and arrington had Barret/Brown/ whoever is there.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Many of McCourty's picks last year were the results of his own actions.
For instance, he jumped up and stole a ball from Megatron which is tough to do.
Many of Arrington’s picks are loose balls that take a bounce (deflection) his way. Good, heads up plays, but he didn’t initiate the action; he was the recipient of good fortune. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
His rookie year, Meriweather was dropping everything that was coming his way. Arrington is not only catching it, but getting positive yardage the other direction. Still McCourty’s season last year was more impressive because he was forcing it.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 22, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
You are agreeing with me. lol ;)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yes, I was.
Just tossing my two cents on the end of the discussion thread.
Doesn’t mean I disagree, just means I wanted to add my thoughts to this particular train of thought.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 22, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Oh okay. Was just confused for a sec. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
please
The int’s are more a product of him being in the right place at the right time. It’s not like he is shutting down receivers he is just in the right place to get some tipped balls/ poorly thrown balls. He is playing well but don’t blow it out of proportion.
But KA hasn't been getting beat a lot either
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
To be fair to the secondary...
…Palko picked up 97 yards in the 4th quarter when the Patriots were up three scores and in the prevent defense. His real numbers were around 140 yards.
True true,
but that first quarter play was absolutely pathetic. It’s Tyler effing Palko.
It is what it is
It was his first start
so no one knew HOW good he actually is.
Besides, thats only the first quarter. Give me thoughts on a FULL game. In the first quarter, our offense failed to produce points early on, while the defense made enough plays to keep getting the ball to the offense.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
And their runners & receivers are pretty good
they would have been better with Cassel.
Keep the faith!
Yeah I think so.
And Breaston is alright. But really, Bowe is their only target in the passing game. Legitimate target that is.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Lol
Take out one blown coverge leading to Gronk’s first TD, the blown special-teams play allowing Edelman to a TD, the Vereen overkill TD, and the three interceptions by Tyler Palko(at least 1 or maybe 2 of which were on KC receivers) and we’re talking about a very different game than what the score indicates.
Take out everything NE did well and its a much closer game…
There's talent and then there's luck.
Can’t rely on luck.
It is what it is
Is it really luck
If you put yourself in a position to win every single play, than good things will happen. I don’t think its luck as much as good execution time and time again
And IF he wants to take a stab at luck.
It’s the NFL. Luck happens to most teams in the league. Whether or not they CAPITALISE on that luck is another story.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I would argue
that we have been unlucky to have not had more tipped balls for ints. That is how the defense is set up to play.
ugly-schmugly
As Brady pointed out in his somber press conference, he has to find ways to get the ball to someone other than Gronk, especially against teams that choose to double Welker. Herndo would have been that guy if he had his head in the game.
But don’t knock a defense because it was opportunistic. Being aware of where the ball is, and being on your toes ready to make a play instead of flat-footed, helps in those right-place-right-time interceptions – Neither Palko nor his receivers handed our defenders any balls. I was encouraged by the play of the defense tonight, and the more wins they can get like this, the more confident they get in what they’re doing. All good.
Keep the faith!
Opportunistic and lucky are different.
Pats pass D had a little of both. The Adams interception was beautiful, the Molden would-be interception would have been as well, but I’m pretty sure both of Arrington’s came off of passes tipped/deflected by the KC receivers. They were great plays but those balls don’t always tip their way towards Arrington.
Some big mistakes on D allowed KC to maintain momentum(however meager it was) from the first quarter into the second quarter. We’ll have better QBs than Tyler Palko to worry about.
It is what it is
50 - 50
One pass was knocked towards Arrington. The other he caught DESPITE it getting knocked. He was in position anyway, and had to adjust slightly to his left to catch the ball after it was deflected away from him.
In 2007, Meriweather had many balls that came his way, and failed to catch a single one of them. He had one in the final SB drive, which he stone handed. Also Asante Samuel had one that he dropped.
Last night, Molden (I think) had one in his hands and didn’t hang on to it. So not only is Arrington playing decent coverage, he’s opportunistic, actually catches the balls in his area and makes positive yardage on them.
I’d say that’s luck favoring the prepared, or taking advantage of the opportunities that present themselves.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 22, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
True Words.
I’d say that’s luck favoring the prepared, or taking advantage of the opportunities that present themselves.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
The 'finding other receivers' issue will work itself out
Teams will figure out soon enough that Gronk has to be double-(or even triple) teamed on every play in order to be held in check, and when that happens, Welker will start finding space again, as will the other receivers.
Oh, fuck you Mason. Just fuck you. Why don't we talk after the game, all right? Just shut the fuck up." -Bill Belichick, consummate badass
yeah take away this take away that and if this didnt happen but this happened
you cant pick and choose what went right and what went wrong . the chiefs came out firing and couldnt maintain that level of play the pats rose to the occasion and made plays and won the game they should have won in convinceing manner.
some flaws are blessing in disguise
Give BB something he can bitch about during meetings. It will help them to stay humble, which I think is the most important during this “the easiest stretch in NFL.”
Thad Castle: Which one of you assholes stuck his finger in my asshole?
I agree completely there.
BB will have plenty to yell about leading up to the Eagles.
It is what it is
Good Fortune
Palko playing vs a banged up secondary was good fortune not an ugly win. We needed the practice. Out today Chung, McCourty, Dowling, Barnett out from last year Sanders, Meriweather, Page, Bodden, McGowen, Butler;who envisioned a secondary of Adams, Moore, Arrington, with Ihedigbo calling signals and Julian Edelman in nickel back. Let’s count our blessings and cross fingers for next week.
Really this game is a tale of two halves.
Offensively, the first half was less than stellar. Gronk however saw an opening and Gronk’ed his way into the endzone. Someone had to make a play and get us going and the big man stepped up. For sure, we’re going to need to start games better than we did. Passes were dropped by Benny, Herndo, and Gronk. Maybe too much time off during the long week. Tom ignored Welker completely in the first half. When he was open, he still wasn’t a target.
Defensively, it seemed they were a bit unsettled to start the game. Too many new faces and too little playing time. Vince was trying to settle the D-line, Ihedigbo went down and Ventrone came in, and the secondary was in disarray.
Then I noticed Mayo calling a defensive huddle, and getting guys on the same page. I few missteps after that, but it didn’t look like they were going to break down. Mayo in the middle settled them down.
They are going to have to start stronger and believe in themselves to get it done. I think across the board guys stepped up and helped out. I feel better about the team doing that than Tommy being Terrific and putting 60 points up in the first quarter.
It’s an ugly win, but it’s a team win. They can hang their hats on it, and it gives them something to improve on. Next week could be a real fight.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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