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Patriots vs. Eagles: Fan Notes from the Game

Happy Holidays, everyone!

You gotta love Thanksgiving. An entire day set aside for the sole purpose of eating too much food, getting good and hydrated, and passing out on the couch in front of a football game. In other words - every Sunday at Alec's house. But what makes Thanksgiving  extra special - besides that whole spending time with friends and loved ones and being thankful for what you have thing - is that I basically get two Sundays in one week. And who doesn't love Sundays?

I should back up. I'm not giving myself enough credit here. The truth is that, food and football aside, I know that I'm very fortunate to live the life that I do and I definitely took some time out of this past week to be thankful for the very many blessings I've received. I have wonderful parents, a girlfriend that (for reasons I will never understand) loves me just for me, a big screen TV with a comfortable chair, and a DVR that will soon be full of every Christmas special ever produced, starting with Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer tomorrow and finishing with A Christmas Story on Christmas Eve. I write for the best Patriots news website on the web and New England is about to enter the last quarter of the season playing very solid football and well positioned to take a top seed in the AFC. Life is pretty good for ol' Alec, and I'm glad I was able to take a step back and be grateful for it.

All that pie didn't hurt any either, though, I'll say that much.

The only real problem with Thanksgiving week is that I spent so much time stuffing my face that I forgot to get worried about the Philadelphia Eagles.  I found myself sitting down in front of the TV yesterday afternoon having not given this one my usual pregame routine of stressing over pretty much everything and making up scenarios where a loss here wouldn't be the end of the world. I mean yeah, it was nice to be able to go into a game stress free, but you can only imagine the terror when I realized that, if I can get so easily distracted by this week's festivities, then maybe the Patriots could, too. Maybe all these young players and undrafted free agents wouldn't be able to get over that holiday hump and keep their priorities in line.

Obviously, and as usual, I was overthinking things. The Patriots absolutely manhandled Philly, all but knocking them out of the playoffs and building a lot of momentum heading into the home stretch of the season. Other than a few long plays, everything went the Patriots' way yesterday and this game was out of hand early on. Good thing too, because my body hasn't fully recovered from the all-out food and drink assault I launched on it over these past few days, and I don't think my overstuffed, bloated tummy would have been able to handle a nail biter. Game notes after the jump.

Star-divide

  • CBS, in all of its infinite genius and contractual obligations, decided to show a bunch of commercials instead of the opening kickoff and first two Eagles plays from scrimmage. They cut to the game at the exact moment Vince Young connected with Riley Cooper for eleventy billion yards to set up Philly's first TD. One helluva way to start my football Sunday.
  • A new touchdown dance seems to have swept the NFL this past week. I've seen multiple players on multiple teams doing it and I can't quite figure it out. It's a strange circular hand motion that indicates either "the camera's rolling" or "I'm shoveling massive amounts of food into my mouth at a Snooki-esque pace." Whatever it is, I'm not a fan.
  • You know what I am a fan of, though? Stevie Johnson's end zone dance against the Jets yesterday. Amazing.
  • Killer ‘stache, Ryan Wendell.
  • Man, the Eagles were fired up for the start this one. Mosh pit parties after every hit.
  • It's really fun to watch Brian Waters on a pulling block. He's surprisingly quick and passes off his assignments very fluidly.
  • Was this an official NFL first quarter, or was I watching some 9 year-old play Tecmo Bowl? Vince Young just held down the B button and launched bombs all day.
  • I'd yell at our secondary to cover some damn receivers - but I don't know who any of them are.
  • New England didn't generate a lot of pass rush, but I think a lot of that was by design. By staying in a base package and playing more of a contain scheme, the Patriots seemed content to keep Vince Young in the pocket and not give up any yards off the scramble. 
  • How is Danny Woodhead a better return option than Shane Vereen?
  • Yesterday's game was a prime example of how important a consistent running game is. Up against a hot, clicking offense that ran two very fast, effective drives that ended in points, slowing the game down and creating offensive balance is the perfect counter. BenJarvus Green-Ellis ran extremely well and helped New England find its rhythm.
  • OK. Somebody, please tell me what Taylor Price's deal is. He had a phenomenal preseason, was healthy enough to play, and Chad Ochocinco was inactive yesterday. Yet who got the nod at 3rd receiver? Tiquan Underwood. I'm starting to wonder if the Patriots are actively trying to field an entire team of players I have never heard of.
  • On the plus side - Underwood has some wheels. Step 2: catch the ball. Not sure we'll be seeing ol' Tiquan out there again.
  • That's twice in 2 games Sebastian Vollmer has gotten completely owned on his way to giving up a sack. I believe the phrase we all like to say is "kick his ass, Seabass!" It isn't, "Ah crap. Sorry, Tommy."
  • To those of you who don't know where that phrase came from, stop reading immediately and go watch Dumb & Dumber.
  • New England got absolutely rocked with a massive play and quick touchdown to start this game and found themselves down 10 points early. They responded with a long, well-balanced drive that allowed the defense to get their heads back on straight and ended in points. That shows a lot of poise and mental toughness, and it's exactly what playoff-caliber teams do.
  • Remember when Stephen Gostkowski was automatic?
  • Philly hasn't allowed a single point off of their last 6 giveaways. That's impressive.
  • Don't look now - but Rob Ninkovich is very quietly having himself a solid season.
  • Tracy White, however...not so much.
  • Man - for a group with a reputation for being a bunch of loud, obnoxious, foul-mouthed, violent nutjobs, the Philly faithful shut up and got quiet pretty damn quick.
  • Bill Belichick is batting 1.000 on challenges this year. 5 for 5 on the season. Which is nice, because I feel like coach was on a serious challenge cold streak over the past few years.
  • Remember in the older Madden games when there was one play that always worked, no matter what the other team did? It was usually something like "Double Outs" or "X Delay." Vince Young hit DeSean Jackson 4 times in a row with the exact same play and there was nothing the secondary could do about it.
  • LeSean McCoy is the best running back in the NFL. Period. Great hands, great vision, phenomenal cutting ability, and as explosive a 2nd gear as I've seen in a long time.
  • The Patriots held the best running back in the NFL to 31 yards on 10 carries. Boo Ya.
  • Not that we can take too much credit for it - why only 10 carries for McCoy? 10 point lead with the ball back in the first quarter, and they don't run once on that drive. I counted only 6 runs in the first half. That's on the coaches.
  • I have a funny feeling that Antwaun Molden had no idea what was going on on that interception. He looked about as surprised to see the ball in his hands as any DB I've ever seen.
  • I'm never one to call an NFL player a pansy. Those guys are all 10 times tougher than I'll ever be. But DeSean Jackson dropped a gimme touchdown and curled up like a pillbug towards the end of the 2nd quarter because he heard Tracy White's footsteps. Aren't you playing for a new contract, tough guy?
  • The Eagles put Nnamdi Asomugha on Rob Gronkowski yesterday. There was an all-pro DB on a tight end and I think that was the most logical matchup for Philly. Gronk is only 22 years old. Yussss.
  • Horrible clock management by the Eagles to close out the half.
  • I bet one of the hardest parts of yesterday's game, from a television production standpoint, was keeping Dan Dierdorf away from all those shiny buttons and knobs up there in the booth. God forbid somebody started bouncing a ball or playing with a yo-yo up there; we never would have heard from him again.
  • Tom Brady in rhythm is one of the most beautiful things you can see. If you are in any way a football fan - even if you hate the Patriots -  you can't help but appreciate watching him play. Unless, of course, you're going up against him. That must be absolutely maddening.
  • Jesus, Tommy, take care of that knee, will you? I can't go through that again.
  • More solid blocking from Nate Solder, especially when he was utilized as an extra tight end. He gets low enough to disrupt multiple blitz looks and I'm especially impressed with his ability to throw an effective chop block. It's just a matter of time before he makes his first reception; I just hope that when it comes, he catches the ball in space so I can a) watch him run, and b) watch defensive backs jumping on his back like Wesley trying to take out Andre the Giant in The Princess Bride.
  • Miserable playcalling and execution aside on that failed 4th and 1 at New England's 3 yard line that gave the Patriots the ball back, that was great discipline by the secondary keeping assignments and jamming Brent Celek at the line.  
  • What was up with that shaky camera angle when the Patriots were backed up inside their own 5? I've never gotten seasick in a recliner before.
  • Good Lord, DeSean. You couldn't catch a whiff of BO at a Star Wars convention yesterday, could you?
  • Look at Julian Edelman with the cornerback blitz! You stay down, Vince.
  • Edelman actually has some chops as a defensive back. Textbook tackling, doesn't bite too hard on playactions, and plays his receivers into coverage like he is supposed to. Maybe he should take Sergio Brown aside and teach him how to take effective angles.
  • GRONK! That wasn't your best spike, buddy.
  • Latest sign that I'm a horrible human being - I grinned like a redneck at a Monster Truck rally when the camera cut to that little boy in the stands with tears in his eyes. Get used to the feeling, kid - you're an Eagles fan.
  • As the game wound down, I looked away from the TV to write a note on the offensive passing interference call that knocked Philly back 10 yards. When I looked back up, I got an eyeful of Tim Tebow as CBS switched coverage away from the game I wanted to watch to the more competitive Broncos vs. Chargers game. I no longer find those shows where they switch out a supermodel with a chimpanzee and some poor blindfolded fool ends up making out with a monkey on national television funny.
  • Luckily, DirecTV was on top of it and un-blacked out the game on its allotted channel. Sunday Ticket once again reminds me why I constantly postpone buying a home gym every year so I can afford it.
  • Too bad Ryan Mallett was inactive yesterday - would have liked to see him take the reins on mop-up duty.
  • Random thought: I would like to get some eye black and wear it to work one day to reduce the glare from my computer. I bet it would catch on, too - just a bunch of suits and office workers wearing eye black every day. It would totally change the office dynamic.
  • How many times did Dierdorf bring up New England's 32nd ranked defense?
  • What I especially loved was how they flashed the stat that New England has outscored its opponents 109-32 in the last 3 games right after the chart illustrating how many categories this defense was dead last in.
  • Too little, too late - but VY put together a pretty nice drive at the end of the game to put a meaningless 7 points on the board. I know it was against soft coverage, but that drive saw a 4th down conversion, some effective scrambling, good vision, and accurate passing. The 3 Eagles fans still in the stadium at that point gave him a rowdy cheer.

If you want to enjoy this win for a little longer, do a quick YouTube search for "Angry Eagles Fan Rant."  Apparently people in Philly have been about 2 inches from the edge for a while now, and it would appear that yesterday's blowout caused a good half of the city to completely lose their minds and broadcast their descent into madness online for the world to see. I don't want to play favorites, so I'll just say that there are some real gems out there and it should really get you into the holiday spirit.

As for me, I'm not going to dwell on this one for too much longer. For what it's worth, Pats/Colts week is officially upon us, and although the matchup has lost most of its luster this year, there is just something about this yearly matchup that gets me all kinds of fired up. I know the Colts are 0-11, and I know that New England is going to be the heavy favorite here, but I'm not going to buy into any of that. I'd also like to say that I'm not going to buy into the 50 or so Brady vs. Manning discussions that will arise this week or the dozens of "Best Pats vs. Colts Moments" video clips that we've all seen a million times before - but I know that isn't true. I'm going to be right there mixing it up with anyone who tries to belittle Tommy B or uses this season as the ultimate proof that Manning is the better quarterback. Sure, I have a lot of actual work to do, and I don't really have time to dwell on the Colts game - but I'm still in holiday mode, dammit. I need to finish digesting.

Great win for New England. And that's always something to be thankful for.

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Great way to top off Thanksgiving weekend, Alec

Thanks for the heaping helpings of humor. About Gronk, my impression is that the Patriots only went to him when they needed to. He’s been beaten up since the Jets game and was in on every play against KC. He needed a bit of a break especially after a short week.

Thought we might be in for a longer-than-predicted night after that first offensive drive from both teams, and watching Mankins dig Brady out of the turf several times in succession. But I don’t allow myself to get hyped up either way on early drives. It’s like a two-goal lead in hockey that can vanish and go the other team’s way in the span of a few minutes.

While this didn’t have the emotional pull that the Jets game did, I enjoyed watching Brady having time to step out of defenders’ grasps and point out where he wanted his receivers to go. Didn’t matter that the Eagles saw where he was pointing either.

I also enjoyed watching Vince Young go again to the deep-ball well and seeing Anquan Antwaun Molden watch it all the way and come away with the pick – and no flags. Brought us all to our feet with the high-five slaps going around the room. I didn’t realize until the pick that I had been holding my breath.

Stupid penalties and dropped balls killed the Eagles. They didn’t adjust – or their adjustments didn’t work – but the Patriots did and it showed.

Say what you want about this defense, but they’re all-in and have each other’s backs all the way. My bet is Vince Wilfork is the glue.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Nov 28, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Seeing as GRONK had more snaps than any other skill player on offense

I suspect the reality is more that they kept him home as an extra blocker to avoid getting Brady killed before halftime. Also, teams are starting to target him with their #1 DB’s (e.g., Revis, Asomugha), so that correspondingly frees up the Smurfs to run wild to their little hearts’ content.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Nov 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah,

what I meant was that he was given a rest from defenders taking shots at his knees all game long.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You noticed that too?

Every defensive player (DL, LB, DB) were taking shots at Gronk every time they were near him. DL would slam into him after the play was over, LBs would hit him wherever they wanted, and DBs would go straight for his legs every time.

by Richard Hill on Nov 28, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

BRADY V MANNING

I dont think this season has shown that Manning is a “better” QB or any crap like that, as you say. However this season may have shown that no player has EVER been more valuable to his team than Manning has been to the Colts for the past decade.

You get the feeling BB would find a way to win 9-10 games a year with ANYONE at QB (like Cassell). He would out-scheme most opposing coaches and find ways to put points on the board at one end and prevent them at the other. Brady obviously takes the Pats to another level but I cannot imagine the Pats ever stinking the joint out with BB as coach.

This season has proved that, for the Colts (especially since Dungy left), it has been Peyton and a bunch of smoke and mirrors for years. He was their QB, best player, onfield coach, ofensive coordinator, play-caller, inspiration, and lightning rod all rolled into one.

by PAC1318 on Nov 28, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Absolutly disagree
I dont think this season has shown that Manning is a "better" QB or any crap like that, as you say. However this season may have shown that no player has EVER been more valuable to his team than Manning has been to the Colts for the past decade.

It just shows this year the Colts (they were in decline anyway) went this far with terrible backup, and with an ownership which sends the team the message: maybe better if we loose to get a new QB. Does not speak a word about the decade.

Just as 2008 did not say anything about the decade.
2008 Pats met the 2 worst divisions without Brady and were richest in talent with still having the veteran leadership by Bruschi, Seymour and co.

2001 Pats were 0-2 without Brady, then they became SB winners. 2003 Pats had virtually no running game, 2004 team had the best running game of the decade, an absolutly confident team with the defense peaking. 2009 team was a retooling one: Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison and Vrabel left. 2006 or 2010 would have been probably dead with any back up QBs. 2008 with Cassel did not say a word how far any of this teams would have gone against the actual schedule without Brady. It just said the 2008 team was that good that year with that talent around against that schedule.

Colts this year tells us about this year’s team…and the ownership. They gave up the season willingly after about 2 games in the hope of the highest pick.

by frogfromthemud on Nov 28, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOUR POINT IS.....

But I think you are trying to say that the Colts are just bad this year, and that there have been years that the Pats would have struggled mightily without Brady in the past 10 years. If so, then I agree. You will see that I do add the disclaimer in my original post “especially since Dungy left”. I cannot imagine any team coached by Dungy going 0-11 just as I cannot imagine any team coached by BB going 0-11. Maybe I was being too generous to say BB would get 9-10 wins with anyone at QB. Perhaps I should have said he could win 6-10 games or something like that. You mention 2006 and 2010, but there is no way I see either of those teams going 0-11 even with Mickey Mouse at QB.

0-11 is HISTORICALLY bad. The Colts may finish 0-16 in which case they may be regarded as one of the 3 worst teams in NFL HISTORY!!!! Be honest, without Tom Brady do you really think ANY Pats team of the past decade, even with Curtis Painter as QB, would have been so bad as to be regarded as one of the 3 worst teams in NFL history? And would the Colts have been 0-11 with Peyton Manning at QB? I personally dont think they would. Even now I think the Colts are playoff contenders in that division with Manning healthy at QB.

Like I said, I dont think this is about which QB is better. I personally would take TB any day of the week. But I think the Colts were ridiculously dependent on Manning, especially after Dungy left, and I think that no other team in the NFL was as dependent upon a single player as they were.

by PAC1318 on Nov 28, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The question is how many games would they have won with Manning?

Would they have a winning record right now? I don’t think so.

The drop from 16-0 to 11-5 corresponded to one of the softest schedules in years. So I’d argue that both Brady and Manning are integral parts of their respective teams’ success in recent years. Trying to say who means more is rather difficult.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, it's really easy. my point is, you are flat out wrong stating this:P ;)
However this season may have shown that no player has EVER been more valuable to his team than Manning has been to the Colts for the past decade.

by frogfromthemud on Nov 28, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It was not a statement of fact.....

You will notice the word “may” in there. And you can say that I am flat out wrong?

by PAC1318 on Nov 28, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm...
And you can say that I am flat out wrong?

 I think I have noticed your cautious opinion on Manning’s importance may have been based on false premises therefor your conclusion could have some significant flaws. But only if you thought this season proved anything Manning’s importance during the decade. ;)

Accidentally, just found this in a chat with Tedy Bruschi:

DC (Illinois)

Q: Can Payton Manning be MVP this year? They cannot win a game without him.
Tedy
A: It’s not a fact of Peyton Manning being valuable. It’s a reflection of how the Colts’ organization didn’t prepare for him not being there.

by frogfromthemud on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

you think this current pats team with the defense being what it is now

would be winning games if Brady wasn’t running the offense? We saw in games when brady wasn’t at 100% how bad the team looked (and he still managed to keep the game close in those situations), so how bad would the this team look w/o him? They probably would be one of the worst team in the NFL right now as well.

by lololol on Nov 28, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What I think it shows

it just how appallingly bad Caldwell is as a coach.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

by JohnHannahRules on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

And how great of a player/coach Peyton is. He ran that offense, top to bottom.

by nbradley07 on Nov 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And out of curiosity, do you know...

..how the Colts and the Patriots offensive play calling actually worked?

And here is an article about a guy, who was always overlooked:

(from scoresreport.com, 2011 May):

One of the most successful offensive coordinators over the last decade has decided to officially hang ‘em up.

Colts owner Jim Irsay confirmed on Wednesday that former longtime offensive coordinator Tom Moore has retired from football. Irsay is leaving the door open in case Moore changes his mind again, but it appears as though he’ll finally walk away. (Moore decided to retire back in 2009 as well but had a change of heart.)

Moore became the Colts offensive coordinator the same year that Peyton Manning broke into the league in 1998. And thanks to the pair only once did the Colts finish worse than ninth in the league in total offense between the years of 1999 and 2010. While Manning grabs all the headlines, Moore’s work behind the scenes simply cannot be overlooked. He held guide the Colts to a Super Bowl victory in 2006 and nearly did so again in 2009 when Indy fell to the Saints.

What does this mean for the Colts? Probably not much in the grand scheme of things. It’s still Manning’s show and the team loves to hire from within (see head coach Jim Caldwell), so Indy’s offense shouldn’t be affected too much. Still, this isn’t the best time for any team to be losing a piece of their coaching staff with the lockout threatening to wipe out an entire summer’s worth of workouts.

Other words. this would have been a first year Manning playing without Moore. In 2009 Moore left the Colts, but Manning begged him to come back. Good question, why Peyton wanted him so much, if he did not do anything….

by frogfromthemud on Nov 28, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Caldwell is way too passive—to an almost irritatingly extent—which I’m sure is not conducive to a cohesive locker room when things go awry (see: Red Sox, last season). There are struggling teams that fight each week (Miami Dolphins) and teams that give up each week (Indianapolis Colts). The fact that they were “competitive” against the Panthers says more about the Panthers than it does about the Colts, imo.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Passive?

I’m not sure the guy could even fog a mirror! Does he even have a pulse?

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone knocked him over and we found out he was nothing but a cardboard cutout.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 28, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Least memorable HC of all time?

Even BB’s lack-of-personality in dealing with the media is his personality, but you’re right—Caldwell’s is completely missing.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Nov 28, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

And absolutely hilarious.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Nov 28, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

and how much of a genius BB is

depth and defense wins championships

New England Patriots: 7-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Chiefs

by freeland1787 on Nov 28, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Concur.

It isn’t just the absence of Peyton. This year’s edition is just plain a very, very, very bad team in multiple respects. Even if you added Manning back in, I doubt they win 8 games.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Nov 28, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course...

we have no idea what the Colts would be doing with a healthy Manning this season. I doubt anyone thinks they’d be 0-11, but they might have been due for a drop off anyway. You can’t automatically assume they’d be 9-2 with Manning under center.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Nov 28, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He would've won yesterday's game, at least

I don’t see Manning making the same pass Painter did as a game-sealing INT in the red zone—one of the crappiest throws I’ve ever seen made in by a “professional” QB in all my years.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Nov 28, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO on this one:
I’d yell at our secondary to cover some damn receivers – but I don’t know who any of them are.

Too true.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Solder.

(Wingspan so wide he just stands deep with his arms out wide to cover the whole field)

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Nov 28, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

put him and gronk at CB

huge size advantage

New England Patriots: 7-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Chiefs

by freeland1787 on Nov 28, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Matthew Slater

It’s curious that with Ocho out Matthew Slater only got 2 snaps, while newly acquired Tiquan Underwood got 19. That doesn’t speak well for Slater’s chances of breaking in with this offense anytime soon.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Nov 28, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

Some how I am not suprised that Ochocinco and Price were not contributors. But I am suprised Slater is not playing more. He has a deep catch this year (as opposed to a deep drop). So if the team is looking at Underwood as a possible deep threat, why not Slater? Similarly, Slater has proven ability to tackle on special teams. Suprised he hasn’t been asked to play safety like he has been asked to do at times in years past. I always assumed that Slater was a good effort, high inteligence type of guy, and that is why he sticks around. Now I am not so sure. Underwood is being given opportunities. Edelman is being given opportunities as a befensive back. I wonder why Slater has not been able to step up?

by feetey on Nov 28, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason that the Patriots are dead last in total yards given up, but 10th in points allowed is … New England’s offence?!

Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?!

by kozlodoev on Nov 28, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

it has to do w/ turnovers and red zone defense

which the patriots have always been good at w/ BB at the helm

New England Patriots: 7-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Chiefs

by freeland1787 on Nov 28, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

GB also has pass defense that gives up lots of yards but they are also good in red zone and turnovers. they lead league in interceptions

by prioris on Nov 28, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

+2

That’s how I read it too. This just reinforces my perception that the “pundits” on national TV (who managed to produce said conclusion which didn’t make any sense).

by kozlodoev on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The offense builds a big lead

forcing the opposing team to play catch up the remainder of the game and rendering them one-dimensional. This, in turn, would make them easier to stop since you know a pass is coming and defend it as such. I don’t think this tells the entire tale of the defense since they’ve been in some close games all year, but it certainly doesn’t hurt.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Nov 28, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but if you give up yardage but not points, this means you’re making the difference in the red zone — where that whole “one-dimensionality” argument doesn’t really apply.

by kozlodoev on Nov 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure it does.

Unless a team finds themselves situated somewhere inside the 5 where a goal line run is plausible, you’ll still see plenty of teams air it out in the red zone to get a quick score while conserving clock.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Nov 28, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. The clock is a key factor.

When teams are in a hurry to score points, they have to pass, even when they get in the red zone.

And when in the red zone, the coverage field is compressed, which makes it harder for receivers to get open quickly, which helps the pass rush, resulting in more mistakes by the O.

This is a fundamental of BB’s defensive philosophy.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Nov 28, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

that kind of philosophy has won 3 superbowls in new england

and many more for other teams- 2009 Saints come to mind

New England Patriots: 7-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Chiefs

by freeland1787 on Nov 28, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

because no one has figured out how to stop GB spread offense, GB really does better than Patriots so they are undefeated

by prioris on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

the only way to stop the spread offense

is to create pressure up the middle

New England Patriots: 7-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Chiefs

by freeland1787 on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching "America's Game" On Hulu

2004 Patriots….I miss bruschi,vrabel,rodney and that terrific defense

"Thirty-seven points on the best defense in the league, suck my d–k" - Bill Belichick

The Ryan Brothers: Two brother's who never played a down as an NFL player, Yet feel the need to trash talk like they are in the Hall Of Fame

by BostonBeasts on Nov 28, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

I have started calling Woodhead the Human Touchback Machine

Because he always brings it around the 20 after taking it from like 4 yards deep. I really feel that Vereen would be better suited for ST than Woodhead too.

Pedey: Dear Playstation, So MLB the Show '09 says I can't hit the high and inside, huh? That's ridiculous, ask Ramon.
Ramon: Yeah, he can hit it. In fact, if I were to die today and went to some weird...(grabs script) some weird limbo afterlife, where I can gaze at one thing for eternity. Dustin's swing, or my daggers? (DAUGHTERS!) daughter's first steps, I would choose that swing.
Lazer Show: I can hit that pitch!

by BrokenbatGrandSlam on Nov 28, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

I wanna see Underwood returning some kicks too

if and only if BB decides to keep him after that drop

Thad Castle: Which one of you assholes stuck his finger in my asshole?

by cruelangelT on Nov 28, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeaa

These Eagle fans reactions to the loss to the Pats? I’m not finding them. : \

I learned how to make a sig just so it can say "DFA Darnell MacDonald". That means it must happen.

by Tai on Nov 28, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Adrian Peterson > McCoy

Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner

by New Century Silver on Nov 28, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

This

McCoy is great and all, but Adrian Peterson ALL DAY

by indy pats fan on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

AP brings back glory to the ground game w/ 8 in the box

teams fear desean jackson more than mccoy

New England Patriots: 7-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Chiefs

by freeland1787 on Nov 28, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe someone said this earlier

but did anyone see Steve Maneri wreck Polamalu last night? Or rather, Polamalu try to wreck Maneri but then destroyed himself.

(Maneri was a preseason roster cut for the Pats right?)

by bloppy_ploppy on Nov 28, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

How could you lose?

Supermodel wife trumps any other argument. Ever.

by STBadly on Nov 28, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously,

you could have started with that and saved yourself from their rebuttal. They would have had to quit.

by STBadly on Nov 28, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the substance of this debate

you have the qualifications to run for office.

by D Clark on Nov 28, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL. I hope you got an A++++.

"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park

by 808BostonSportsFan on Nov 29, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets cut Emanuel Cook,

the safety that saved the game for them. Depending on why they cut him, and with our dearth of injuries, maybe the Pats should take a looksie.

by STBadly on Nov 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

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