Patriots vs. Giants: Fan Notes From the Game
Okay, pop quiz. One question, multiple choice. But first, let me set the stage for you.
New England Patriots vs. the New York Giants. Pats home team in blue, Giants the visitors in white. What was expected to be a high-scoring game turned into an, ugly, hard-fought matchup where points were at a premium and both defenses were coming up big when it mattered. The 4th quarter sees things open up a bit, and both offenses start to find some rhythm. Giants take a late lead, but Tommy B brings the Pats down inside the 10. A last minute TD catch puts New England up and in control of the game with less than 2 minutes to play. Eli Manning gets the ball and seems to be having trouble getting anything going. We see a dropped interception by a Patriots defensive back. A back shoulder, freak catch on 3rd and long sets up great field position for the game winning touchdown. Giants run an end zone corner route off a New England blitz to win the game. Alec smashes the remote control and spends the rest of the night crying into his whiskey and watching reruns of To Catch a Predator.
Now, here's the question. Am I describing a) Superbowl 42, b) yesterday's loss to the Giants, or c) all of the above?
Superbowl 42 was one of the worst days of my life. It wasn't just that the Patriots lost; it was how they lost. It was realizing what almost was and what that '07 team could have been if not for some absolute absurdity. It was being so confident after watching Tommy B once again engineer a late 4th quarter drive to put the Patriots in position to win it. Then you get a ball bouncing off a defender's hands, followed by a circus catch on 3rd and long when you think New England is about to make the stop, and that sinking feeling starts to come over you where you just know that it isn't going to go the Patriots' way. And when the inevitable happens, you try in vain to prepare yourself for a night spent staring up at the ceiling, reliving everything that went wrong in your head over and over like it's going to make a lick of difference. It's an experience I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
It's been 4 years since that fateful night. And only just recently was I starting to get over it. I'm at a point in my life now where the occasional day goes by and I don't think about that game in some capacity. My hopes for having a semi-normal life were starting to grow. I was almost there. Until, that is, I had the distinct privilege of reliving that El Manning final Superbowl drive all over again yesterday, almost down to the minute. In 96 seconds, 4 years of slow, painstaking healing just got torn wide open and now I'm left as vulnerable and and nervous as a lone hot dog vendor outside the holding area for people who didn't pass the audition for The Biggest Loser.
I know that in the grand scheme of things, this loss is far from the end of the world, and there are actually some good things that we can take from yesterday's game that give us cause of optimism going forward, particularly on defense. But I'm having a hard time thinking about any of that right now. All I can picture is Eli Manning's face - that misshapen, ugly, Cro-Magnon, backwater mug - celebrating yet another victory over the Patriots that resulted from an absolutely absurd final drive.
And to make matters worse, I'm stuck here in New York City for the inevitable aftermath. Game notes after the jump.
- Thank you, Fox, for flashing Tommy B's 31 straight home wins stat right when the game started. Is there a particular reason that they show stats like that every freaking week? Is the NFL on some mission to make sure that this is the year that every impressive record and streak New England has gets broken?
- Make some noise, Gillette. Come on! One of the quietest 1st quarters ever from the home crowd.
- Not a huge fan of watching a Patriots game in Week 9 and not recognizing several players on the defense.
- Hey, look at that! A 3 and out! It was glorious!
- BenJarvus Green-Ellis must be more injured than we know. He always runs well, but then disappears for long stretches in a way that always leaves me scratching my head. The only plausible explanation is his injury.
- Brandon Spikes! Light ‘em up!
- Very pleased with what Brandon Deaderick brought to the table yesterday. Hope he can build on that performance.
- 12 Sacks in 4 games for Tommy B. Hmmm. Not cool, O Line.
- If only we had the technology to successfully install a "Welker Cam" inside Wes's helmet so we can get a glimpse of what he sees. On-field vision is a stat you can't measure and he's got it in droves.
- I absolutely love it when Tommy B takes off running. Looks like an 8-bit bunch of pixels from John Elway's Quarterback for the original Nintendo.
- Absolutely boneheaded play by Brandon Spikes jumping offside after he thought there was a false start. Even if there was a flinch, you don't just charge in there like that.
- Haynesworth drew some nice holding penalties yesterday. That's what I wanted to see all year.
- Steve Weatherford is an absolutely phenomenal punter. Patriots had to deal with a long field after almost every single one of his punts.
- There seems to be a strong correlation between Hall of Fame quarterbacking ability and absolutely inane, bumbling buffoonery in the announcer's booth. Here's hoping Brady doesn't join the ranks of Phil Simms and Troy Aikman as incompetent playcallers after he retires.
- Wes Welker had absolutely no business catching that 21 yarder before the 2 minute warning.
- He also had no business getting right back up and back into the huddle after that monster hit.Tough as nails.
- What's wrong with
Ray FinkleStephen Gostkowski? That's a layup kick to close out the half which ultimately would have decided the game. The laces were out, too - I checked. He just hasn't been the same this season. - I'm starting to think that the NFL has figured the New England Patriots out. Their scalding hot start combined with what has been happening as of late leads me to believe that other teams are starting to realize how to stop this offense. They have been scoring less points each and every week and Brady doesn't look nearly as comfortable as he did to start the year. A lot of game tape of New England being made to look mortal is starting to pile up.
- You know whose name you never hear? Brian Waters. That's the best sign of a quality lineman
- Brady forcing the seam route to Gronkowski is a trend I'm really not a fan of.
- Seriously - that's his 3rd interception this year that came off Tommy B forcing one in there where he shouldn't have. Tom Brady has never been known as a quarterback who forces things. He's been forcing more than his share of throws as of late and I for one don't like it.
- More than a few times during this game, Eli Manning was about .5 seconds away from getting sacked and so he just closed his eyes and hucked it off his back foot. Almost all those passes fell incomplete, LIKE THEY ARE GODDAM SUPPOSED TO, DAVID TYREE.
- Never a good sign when the biggest play of New England's day through 3 quarters is a muffed punt.
- I know very little about football from an Xs and Os standpoint. I was also drinking fairly heavily yesterday. I correctly predicted 8 offensive plays that that the Pats ran. That shouldn't happen.
- Chad Ochocinco actually ran some fairly nice routes yesterday, and he also got a fair number of looks. I don't want to call it a sign that he's finally got the playbook down, but hey - it's something.
- That Julian Edelman muffed punt is very indicative of the kind of player he is. Big play ability and elusiveness means he wants to take every punt return to the house and isn't smart with the ball or his body. He needs to get back into the classroom to study effective fair catching.
- The Kyle Arrington pick was the EXACT same play that cost the Patriots a perfect season in 2007. Eli Manning read the blitz and threw a corner post route to the X receiver. McCourty, much like Ellis Hobbs on that fateful day, was completely beaten. Great read by Arrington to come off his man and make the play there.
- Arrington actually had a really solid day. Of course all anyone is going to remember is the PI call, but I was very pleased with his play.
- There's a scene in Rocky II when, in between rounds, Rocky tells his trainer, "I ain't goin' down no more!" That's what I thought of as soon as I saw Brady's face after New England's first touchdown of the day. And from that point on, Brady really turned it on. It was just a little too late.
- There was a brief cut, following the ensuing kickoff after the Patriots TD, where they showed Tommy B going over to say hi to Bob Kraft before the game. Near him was a young man wearing a red beanie that was looking at Brady with the kind of wide-mouthed, starry-eyed adoration that is usually reserved for men staring at Brady's wife. I'd make fun of that young man, but I do the exact same thing and I watch the games at home.
- It's a very weird feeling , in this day and age, to be a Pats fan and to be more nervous when your offense is on the field than when your defense is.
- Love the defensive 3rd down playcalling yesterday. A lot more blitzes and disguised coverages. It all leads me to believe that the complete lack of pressure that New England hasn't been generating is more the result of head-scratching gameplanning than a pure lack of ability.
- If I didn't know any better, I'd say that there was a low-scoring game between LSU and Alabama on Saturday.
- I don't think it's erroneous to say that this team needs Wes Welker almost as much as it needs Tom Brady. The Patriots were completely stagnant until Welker got going. Once he did, the entire offense opened up.
- Rare signs of life from the Gillette faithful in the 4th quarter.
- GRONK! Guy is just a beast.
- Made 33 straight 4th quarter FGs?? Really, Fox? Come on!!! Who is in charge of finding these stats and putting them up at the worst possible time??
- I know it was the right call, and there wasn't really much that Arrington could do, but that Pass Interference call was the equivalent of the driver in front of you intentionally slamming on the brakes just so you rear end him and have to foot the bill for a new set of wheels. Sucks to be a defensive player in this league.
- That PI call at the end, though, was a no-brainer and an absolutely horrible angle by Sergio Brown. Basically just ran right into Victor Cruz on what would have likely been an incomplete pass. Paging Rodney Harrison.
- Rush defense remains solid. Stopping Brandon Jacobs on 2nd and Goal from the 1 is pretty impressive.
- Didn't do much good, though, did it, Jake Ballard?
- Jake Ballard's number? 85. David Tyree's number? You guessed it - 85. Debt for SpyGate repaid and then some, football gods. Enough already.
- I spoke to my friend after the game, who was equally as miserable as I was, and we were both in agreement: this team is not of Super Bowl caliber. It's especially frustrating knowing that they so easily could be if they could just put a few more things together - but I would not feel confident if this team had to face the Giants, Saints, Lions, Packers, or Eagles in February.
This is one of those losses that gets under your skin and just burrows there like some weird mutant space-bug. It's a game that the Patriots should have won, but didn't because of some crazy catches and critical defensive mistakes that ended up costing them the game. The Jets did the Patriots a favor earlier in the day by defeating the Buffalo Bills, giving New England the opportunity to take sole possession of 1st place in the division. However, once again New England couldn't capitalize and Brady took his first loss at home in 31 games. It would appear that this is officially the year that streaks end for the Patriots.
Which leads me to believe that, since this is the year everything gets shaken up, there just may be another streak that has been associated with the Patriots as of late that may be falling this January.
I just hope it's their playoff loss streak and not the streak of New England having the best record in the division since 2001. At this point in the season, who knows.
If anyone needs me, I'll be under my desk.
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I hope Spikes' injury isn't too serious
That hit he laid on Jake Ballard in the 1st quarter was beautiful. And legal. Loved it.
Also, it was Spikes (and Guyton) being out with injury that forced Tracy White to be in the game with the starting defense. I REALLY hope Spikes’ injury isn’t serious.
Deep in enemy territory
How many streaks are left for the Pats?
They are all being broken this year. Can’t be a good thing.
As long as their "no Superbowl since 2004" streak ends"
I don’t really care about anything else.
by Alec Shane on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The good news is...
I’ve stopped worrying about the Patriots being a paper tiger in the playoffs again this year and losing their first game at home. The bad news is I’m worried they won’t make the playoffs at all.
The Jets seem to have their annual crisis out of the way and looked good beating Buffalo on the road yesterday, and it is hard for me to see us getting out of the Meadowlands with a “W” next Sunday. That would leave us at 5-4 and looking up at NY and possibly Buffalo too.
I still have KC penciled in as a “W,” but Philly is looking pretty good lately. Realistically, I see that as another “L.” We could easily head into the final weekend at 10-5 and very much on the playoff bubble.
Our offense is too one-dimensional right now. Defenses have figured out ways to limit the short and medium length passes in the middle of the field, and without that our offense is anemic and/or mistake prone. They are obviously aware of the problem, but don’t seem to have any answers beyond running a few trick plays. The defense has made some progress in spots, but still gives up too many big plays.
Of course there is still time for this team to get hot and turn things around, but right now I would not count on the Patriots making the playoffs this year.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
Exactly where this team should be
We will most likely lose next weeks game and we should. After I watched yesterday’s game I was kinda relaxed about what I saw. I’m not a student of the game and I don’t really care to be. In 2 months I’m in the ME region again and won’t be home for maybe 2 years.
Brandon Spikes is the better LB then Mayo. That probably doesn’t matter since they will both be on the team for a while I imagine. The coaching staff should be fired minus Pepper Johnson, Scarnechia(spelling), Fears and of course BB. BB often states that he looks for value in his draft choices. What I’ve seen now is quantity and not quality. Time to start drafting and stop trying to save so much money.
I think the patriots will end the year 10-6 or 9-7 and that is exactly where they should be record wise because they are far from a complete team. I would much rather see this team not make the playoffs and force BB to start answering some tough questions which will hopefully force change then face another first round exit after posting a deceivingly good record.
Yeah we should blow up our team while we're at it.
Are you a fan of this team or not? Fire BB? Fire Scarnechia? We lost two games, it’s not the end of the season.
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
Draft one of those Alabama line backers, Upshaw and hightowers are
Monsters and try to get clayborn from lsu or that tyrann Guy in 2013
Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit.
Edward Abbey
by TONYBOI08 on Nov 7, 2011 11:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm puzzled
It’s easy to point in the direction of the defense but several games this year we’ve been playing extremely sloppy football – which is highly unlike us.
I mean how many turnovers did we have (2 interceptions by Brady? I fumble by Brady? Edelmans “idiot return” fumble?)? Add to that the horrific missed kick and some baffling defensive calls.
This has me questioning what this team has done in this short offseason and how they are prepared. It was thought to be a plus to have a veteran core. Many of these guys are pretty young though (especially in the defensive backfield as we release anyone who is somewhat of age and has a game that’s int the vicinity of being labeled decent.
A fluke game like the one against the Bills where everything all of a sudden went wrong happens from time to time but we’ve had several pretty bad games. We were close of giving away the Jets game as well with redzone interceptions.
Yesterday, the only reason for us even being in the game was the Giants willingness to return our sloppy play with some favors of their own.
Any way you turn though, we know this offense can be pretty good. The fact that we’ve long ignored to pick quality defenders, apart from maybe Mayo, McCourty and Chung (but their greatness can be debated), often and early is starting to become too obvious. The picks of Ridley and Vereen still has me confused and even more so now than before since I didn’t know we would be without Bodden, Sanders, Meriweather and others.
I have nothing against the likes of Sergio Brown and Josh Barrett, they are hard working players with a limited skill set. There’s no way they are starting caliber players though.
Have to end with something positive – brandon Deaderick is an upgrade over Shaun Ellis.
To an extent, this game was a classic example of "you reap what you sow."
In the offseason, they cut Meriweather and Sanders, and this game was effectively lost because of really poor play at safety. Say what you will about Meriweather, but he had a knack for those game clinching INTs, and Sanders, while limited overall, is much, much better in coverage than Barrett or Brown. There is a serious dearth of talent at safety, and that’s a sword the Patriots are going to live and die by for the rest of the season.
Then, there was that call against Arrington, which is one of those calls that isn’t PI but always gets called anyhow. The receiver was underthrown, so he slowed down, forcing the defender to run into him. If anything, that’s incidental contact or OFFENSIVE PI. Not DPI; shouldn’t have been called.
Eli also made a heck of a throw on that pass to Ballard, and his run is something you really can’t gameplan for – how many times a year is Eli going to run that effectively? You probably just saw the only instance. The Giants also did a heck of a job, and they’re having a pretty good year, themselves. It’s not like they lost to the Dolphins or the Rams – the Giants are legit.
The loss was tough, but throughout the game, the offense and the defense each proved a few things. The defense really, completely shut down the Giants offense for a full three quarters. Their only points came off turnovers that gave them ridiculous field position. It wasn’t until injuries started piling up that things began to fall apart. In many respects, despite the result, this was a major step forward for the defense. Also, the offense proved once again that it can and will com through in the clutch. Once both squads manage to get on the same page at the same time, this team will be very, very hard to beat. I’d like to think this is a matter of “when,” and not “if,” but it’s getting late in the season, and there are only so many playoff spots to go around.
The call on Arrington...
was correct according to both the rules and standards of the NFL. It’s hard to complain about it because it happened because Arrington got beat and wasn’t able to turn around. If you’re Arrington, you gotta make an attempt to turn around to make a play on the ball when the receiver goes up for it. That’s just how it is. NFL refs are going to make the same call 9.9 times out of 10.
Yeah, it sucks, but that’s the NFL in 2011.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
This
Why the hell did we actually feel the need to draft two high-round RBs, anyway? Especially since neither of them were going to be passing BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, or even Kevin Faulk on the depth chart anytime soon?
This starts to boggle my mind considering the glaring needs this team has.
Can I Scream?
Ridley and Vereen
are our future backs. Faulk is probably gone after this year. Did he see the field yesterday? And Woodhead is a Faulk like player, quick, shifty, can do a lot out of the backfield, but is not a carry the rock 20+ guy. If you have paid any attention to the Patriots of the last several years, you would see that the health of our running backs has been a concern. That’s actually league wide. You must have good RB depth. Sure, occasionally, a team can plug in a guy, but BB like his backs well versed in the offense, and able to block. The injury to Vereen early may have killed his year, as he may never get up to speed. And the shortened pre season hurt both of them. What concerns me more is how we went away from the run so early in the game. It seems we never have the patience to stick with it if we are not successful on the first drive.
I understand that
but it seems like drafting not one but two second-round RBs—when the Patriots have never been a run-first team and don’t plan to become one anytime soon—seems to be an issue that could have been addressed further down the road with such glaring holes on offense (WR) and defense (Safety, DE, LB).
Can I Scream?
let's step off the ledge
this team went 14-2 last year. all the over analyzing and attempts to figure out what’s going on is being overblown (i’m guilty myself).
other than the serious lack of talent at safety (aside from chung), the biggest difference between this year and last year is TURNOVERS. i think we all know that turnovers are the biggest statistical indicator of success than any other stat in football. last year, the pats had the best +/- differential in history. this year, they are being careless, reckless, and stupid with the football. that’s the biggest difference. we are 5-3 because we turned the ball over 4 times against the bills and giants. we lose both games by a total of 7 points even with 4 turnovers in each game – it’s actually pretty remarkable. non evenin mentioning that we beat the cowboys with 4 turnovers as well.
it’s pretty simple, we need to take better care of the football. if we stop turning the ball over, we add possessions, build leads, and play the way we did last year. unfortunately, there’s nothing to suggest that the trend will change. here’s hoping that it will.
No doubt
If we can clean up the sloppy play, not only the fumbles and Int’s , but also the missed 30 or so yard field goals, then we will be allright. But we are clearly not good enough to weather those kind of mistakes. The lack of these plays has been a hallmark of BB’s years, and the amount of them this year is a glaring concern. We need to sharp, fundamental, well executed ball, and if we can do that, even with some depth issues, we will be good.
Last year's team...
is not this years team. I don’t think anyone here is jumping off the ledge, but just reacting realistically to what we have seen the past few weeks, which is a team that is deeply flawed on both sides of the ball.
I disagree that the solution is a “simple” matter of taking care of the ball. Brady is throwing more interceptions because he is forcing the ball more often to guys who aren’t open. Our receivers are open less because defenses have schemed out some good ways to shut down short to medium passes that are this offenses bread and butter and the the offense has become too one-dimensional to compensate. I’d say the solution is far from simple.
That’s not to say that some of the problems on both sides of the ball can’t still be fixed, but we are at a point in the season where they should already have been addressed to a greater degree than they have.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
aside from the safeties
this team is last year’s team but should be one year more experienced. we should be playing better all around with young players like mccourty, hernandez, gronk, chung, etc. having another year under their belt. i think there are glaring issues that need to be fixed, but it’s “simple” because the issues are fixable. bad decisions, bad execution, etc. are all fixable problems. we’ve lost to 3 legit teams, shouldn’t have had a fight in one we were in to the end (pittsburgh), and shouldn’t even have sniffed a chance for victory in the other 2 because of 4 turnovers.
i don’t think brady trusts this offensive line. he’s forcing it early to only trusted receivers (primarily gronk and welker). hopefully improved line play will improve his decision making and he’ll be back to where he was last year.
Every year is different
Brady is not going to get back to doing what he did last year because good NFL defenses have figured out how to stop that. He and the rest of the offense will have to do something different if they want to succeed this year.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
See Ashto12's opinion piece above...
He does a great job of detailing the problems, and they run deep unfortunately.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
3 things
1) I disagree with you on the Spikes penalty. That’s the right move. The replay showed the Giants guy moved, and should have been flagged. I have no problem with that one.
2)Wes Welker – Amazing, and tough. If Lenny Dykstra is Nails, Welker is rawhide coated, pressure treated, galvanized nails. Love that sob.
3)SIgh…..Spygate, really? If our own fans don’t understand how this was the most overhyped, overblown, lack of substance story of the sports world in recent years, which has never and will never have anything to do with the karmic nature of our football quest, then I how can I expect non fans to understand that?
I actually thought Arrington regressed to his 2010 level of play.
He had been playing exceptionally well, but Manning picked on him all day. Arrington couldn’t turn his head around more than a couple times and that’s his big issue as a defensive back.
Also, I was able to predict every single throw to Ocho- it’s pretty bad. They put him on isolation and stack the other side of the field to draw the safety cover. It’s pretty obvious.
The Giants defense had no respect for the deep ball and had their safeties playing at the first down marker, instead of 15-20 yards down the field like the Patriots safeties. They traffic the middle with their linebackers and they press with their DBs. They have the pass rush up front to force a throw before the receivers can break free. Cowboys did it. Steelers did it. Giants did it. Jets can totally do it. Eagles can do it. If the Chiefs had an offense, I’d be worried about them being able to complement their defense who can totally do it.
Who can do it in the AFC? Jets. Bengals. Ravens. Steelers. Texans. Chargers. Oh look, playoff teams.
Who can do it in the NFC? Cowboys. Eagles. Giants. Packers. Lions. 49ers. Yeah.
I think Belichick (and myself) has been undervaluing pass rush for a while. It’s great to have a great secondary, but a phenomenal pass rush can elevate the play of the corners by forcing poor throws and not allowing plays to develop. Phenomenal coverage will eventually be beaten.
This is how i've felt for the past few drafts. Especially this past draft in which we clearly needed a pass rusher, and BB
showed no interest. Then everyone on PP automatically said, “Oh who needs a pass rush?” "Maybe it’s not as bad as it seemed, all because BB didn’t address the need. Hated it then, and hate it more now.
I think Belichick (and myself) has been undervaluing pass rush for a while.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
So...
What exactly is the cure for having some weird mutant space bugs burrowed under your skin? It’s highly uncomfortable and unnerving.
I did find a bit of relief for some odd, unexplainable reason, after hearing about the shuffling up of the Patriots roster – Haynesworth out, D.Gronk out, and the return of Tiquan Underwood. That hair. It’s gotta be all up from here.
Keep the faith!
Well, we are capable of beating the Jets this Sunday (though i doubt we will), which would bring us to 5-4. Then after we
beat the Chiefs, 6-4. Maybe beat the deflated Eagles, 7-4. Then wax the remaining poor teams on our schedule including the Bills (who should be out of the race by then) and have a 12-4 record. Or more likely 11-5.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

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