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Patriots vs. Redskins: Fan Notes from the Game

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That's what I'm talking about, boys! Way to get the win! That's five straight now - just one W away from clinching the AFC East! Do you know how hard it is to win games in the NFL? And you've won 10 of them so far this year. Sure, it wasn't pretty, but you got it done, and that's all that matters, right? Home field advantage is within our grasp, so let's learn from this game and finish out the season strong!

How did that sound? Sincere? Was it convincing?

Look - we all know how easily I could go on a rant right now about the second straight ugly win over a team that had no business being in the game late - it's what I seem to do best. And trust me when I say that a very large part of me wants to do exactly that. I want to talk about how this marks the second Patriots victory in a row where the game ended and I felt like I just caught myself feeling good for rigging a game of Candyland. I want to lay into the defense and implore Bill Belichick to stop toying with my emotions like this. I want to turn into the epitome of a whiny, obnoxious, spoiled Patriots fan who isn't happy with just a win and demands that the defense play better than what we were all forced to sweat out yesterday. But I'm not going to do any of that; a lot of my notes are negative enough as it is and I have a funny feeling we are going to get plenty of negative press about this defense elsewhere this week. What I'm going to be telling myself over and over (and over) this week is that Washington is one of those places that the Patriots have historically struggled as of late and that the Washington Redskins gave the Pats everything they had yesterday. Sure, the D didn't play great, but they got it done, and that's all I really care about. I mean, the Redskins aren't that bad, right?

Right?

Star-divide

  • Good to see Dane Fletcher back out there, and good to see him making an impact on special teams. This defense could use a crazy white linebacker.
  • New England's base offense to start the game was an empty 5 WR set that put Aaron Hernandez in the slot and allowed Rob Gronkowski to motion in for extra protection if need be. The Redskins countered by running a lot of stunt blitzes up the middle to disrupt Brady's timing and force him to release early. In the early battle of Brady vs. Skins pass rush, the edge went to Washington.
  • Matthew Slater gets the nod at safety again. Are there really no better safeties out there than a WR-turned special teamer?
  • I wonder how many times Andre Carter, when he was a Redskin, lay awake nights wishing he could just lay Rex Grossman out. Thank you, Andre. And you're welcome, Andre.
  • Vince Wilfork has more touchdowns than Chad Ochocinco, and almost as many catches.
  • Good Lord, Devin McCourty. You're making it very, very hard for me to keep on defending you.
  • New England's goal line D is so solid that I have to wonder how this team can be so porous between the 20s and so stout in the red zone. I just don't get it.
  • It's very rare that a hit causes a human being to literally fold in half. Jerod Mayo's hit on Rex Grossman to complete the 1st quarter goal line stand folded him like a book. You could almost see the cartoon speech bubble above Rex's helmet with a big OOF! in it.
  • ARE YOU KIDDING ME, GRONK????? Diving catch, breaks 16 tackles, skirts the sideline, outruns some DBs, and sets Tommy B up inside the 15. If the person who hurt Gronk's back in college, thus knocking him down the draft board, is reading this - send me an email. I'd like to buy you a drink.
  • OK - two drinks.
  • Actually - drinks on me all night.
  • The same offer goes to whoever gave Aaron Hernandez that joint.
  • How long did Gronk have to wait for the ball to come down off the record-setting TD spike? 3 seconds? Four?
  • The Patriots didn't run the ball until just over a minute left in the 1st quarter, and it was a 1 yard run by Benjarvus Green-Ellis. New England needs to re-balance out this offense.
  • Very impressed with Roy Helu. Great patience and phenomenal cutting ability. Get him behind a decent offensive line and give him a quarterback that scares anybody, he could do some damage.
  • And by damage, I mean against a defense actually capable of making a stop.
  • Grossman had a few overthrows that Matthew Slater should have been in position to intercept, but he was playing in 2 deep coverage and allowing for a sizable cushion to avoid another big gain. Tough to criticize his positioning considering HE'S A FREAKING RECEIVER.
  • God I'm sick of making no-name quarterbacks look like all stars. I'm just so damn sick of it.
  • What is it about this secondary that causes such a significant drop-off between first and second year defensive backs? McCourty is just the latest in a long chain of DBs that had a good first season followed by poor play the following year. Is it that they play more off instinct during year one and overthink things trying to conform to the system in year two?
  • Hard to get mad at Danny Woodhead for giving up sacks. I mean what is the little guy supposed to do?
  • I wasn't even upset about the Annexation of Puerto Rico play that led to a Santana Moss touchdown. I really wasn't. I mean, if we're going to pad some stats, I'd rather it not be Rex Grossman's. Just let some random receiver throw it up there instead.
  • That isn't the first Tommy B pass to nowhere intended for Deion Branch we've seen this season. When the no-huddle doesn't work, it really doesn't work.
  • Brady followed that throw with a total miss to Danny Woodhead on a screen. Throwing to Gronk and then throwing to Woodhead must be a pretty large adjustment.
  • New England actually ran it fairly well - when they ran it. Don't get the imbalance of run and pass when the running game is working.
  • TOMMY! Stop forcing throws to Gronk, man!
  • One positive to take away from Devin MCourty's play - he's very solid in run tackling.
  • More offensive miscommunications during this game than I've seen all season. Nobody really seemed on the same page, and a lot of it was on Brady. Receivers were definitely open.
  • The odd thing is, amid all that offensive miscommunication, Tommy B had two or three plays yesterday that could easily hang with any one of his all-time career highlights.
  • Having no real talent in the kick return department is deceptively disheartening; you just know the odds are good that New England isn't going to start drives with good field position.
  • Not sure about that Unnecessary Roughness call on London Fletcher. I think that Tommy B started his slide late and Fletcher came in with as clean a hit as I've seen. This league is really frustrating.
  • The immortal Dan Dierdorf on DeAngelo Hall picking up the penalty flag and throwing it downfield: "He'll get an unsportsmanlike conduct probably for that." Wow, Dan. How do you do it?
  • Ohhhhhh Tommy B. Oh Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. Touch passes don't get any sweeter than that play to Gronkowski.
  • Is calling the Brady to Gronk connection "Beauty and the Beast" too cliché? I hope not - and if it isn't, I'd like to take full credit for coining it.
  • I have an idea for a goal line running play: Jumbo Set using Nate Solder and Marcus Cannon as tight ends with Gronkowski as the fullback. Brady hands off to Woodhead and Gronk just picks him up and shot-puts him over defenders into the end zone. It can't miss!
  • I feel like I might have suggested that goal line play before in a prior article. If so, I apologize. But the image of Gronk just grabbing Woodhead by his collar and the seat of his pants and tossing him over the pile into the end zone is just too funny not to share. Bonus points if Woodhead does a double somersault and sticks the landing, arms up in the air and back perfectly arched.
  • I think this game solidified one very bittersweet truth: this team can hang with anyone in the NFL offensively and any team in the NFL can hang with the Patriots offensively. The recipe for any kind of postseason success has to be "shootout."
  • Isn't Rex Grossman supposed to throw a lot of picks?
  • Make-up call for the Tommy B personal foul on the Vince Wilfork penalty. Two garbage calls that kept drives going and led to points for both teams. Even Steven.
  • Rex Grossman completed 9 straight at one point. There's just no way to spin that as anything other than Rex Grossman completed 9 straight at one point.
  • Redskins' receivers weren't open. They were WIDE open. Usually the nearest Patriot receiver defender was at least a good 3 yards away. You can't pin all of that on the lack of pressure.
  • You know what's most concerning? Looking at the season as a whole, I don't know if I can honestly say that New England's defense played exceptionally poorly yesterday. It would appear that this unit has two modes: mediocre and god-awful, which they alternate between week-to-week.
  • What the hell is this unit going to do against Tim Tebow?
  • This version of the Patriots is one of the most difficult teams I've had to follow from an emotional turmoil standpoint. I go from elation to despair every 45 seconds and by the time each game ends I've lived an entire season's worth of Maury Povitch "are you the father" DNA tests.
  • At about the 5 minute mark in the 3rd quarter, I started to get the impression that the next team to punt was going to lose the game.
  • After Washington tied the game at 27, New England shifted to a vanilla zone and let the linebackers wander across the middle to prevent any over plays. My only guess for the switch was a decision to make Washington score slowly and try to time it so the Patriots were the last team with the ball with the game tied. And dammit it almost came to that.
  • Julian Edelman on Santana Moss? Really?
  • Dan Snyder looks just like Lewis Skolnick from the 80s classic Revenge of the Nerds.
  • OF COURSE they had to flash that stat of Tommy B's 200 straight passes with no INTs right before the Wes Welker drop and the end zone interception. Of course they did. What did the Patriots ever do to you, obscure stats researchers of the world?
  • That pick was followed by a very unhappy exchange between Brady and Bill O'Brien that is going to get overblown by every member of every media source in the United States this week. I, for one, thought it was great. You know what that expletive-filled exchange said to me? It said that no one player is bigger than the team - not even Tom Brady. Coaches coach, players play. Tommy B tried to force one in there, he got picked off, and his coach let him have it. Good for you, Bill.
  • Seriously - can you imagine any member of the Colts' staff getting after Peyton Manning like that?
  • And what happened after the game was over? Tommy B and Bill O'Brien hug it out. That's how you conduct business, and that's how a football team is run. You watching this, Indy? Let's all let that exchange be the absolute non-issue that it is.
  • Is the term "opportunistic defense" the equivalent of the term "really nice" used to describe the ugly person you're setting your friend up with? Both are true, but reeeeally not what you want to hear.
  • I wonder how much money is won and lost on Patriots games based on the point spread alone.
  • Once again, Jerod Mayo comes up with an INT when it mattered. That's two straight games now.
  • New England is sitting at 10-3, just one win away from clinching the AFC East, and I feel really, really dirty.
  • I have a very bad feeling that by this time next week I'll be able to say that Bill Belichick's defense got absolutely dominated by Dan Orlovsky, Rex Grossman, and Tim Tebow.
  • Seriously - what is this defense supposed to do against Tebow next week at Mile High, a stadium where the Patriots have traditionally struggled?
  • I'm going to need to pull a Marie Barone and cover my La-Z-Boy in plastic. The back and seat of my recliner looked like I was poolside for a Rex Ryan bellyflop by the time the game was over.
  • This game sure didn't feel like the Redskins were held to 2 TDs on 5 red zone trips, did it?
  • A quick around-the league-note: To all those haters STILL whining about The Tuck Rule game, go watch the replay of the Aaron Rodgers strip sack that was initially ruled a fumble and then overturned against the Raiders yesterday. The refs got it right in 2001. You may not like the rule, but it wasn't a fumble yesterday and it wasn't a fumble back then. Get over it.
  • (NOTE: CBS actually flashed to a replay of the Brady tuck as I was writing this. If that play happened today, it would have been a 15 yard penalty on Charles Woodson for hitting Brady's helmet with his hand. Very sad.)

Let's go back again and look at the big picture. The Patriots have now won 5 straight and sit at the top of the AFC at 10-3. They are just one win away from clinching the division and could very well earn a 1st round bye. While I was none-too-pleased during the game, after taking some time to calm down and air the stink of fear and panic out my mancave, I realized that it's quite possible that I'll be able to go back to this game with a more objective eye and find some positives that I overlooked in the heat of the moment. Maybe I'll be able to talk about how close the Patriots are to getting Pat Chung and Brandon Spikes back and how once this defense gets fully healthy it will actually be pretty solid in areas other than the red zone. Maybe I'll be able to give some more respect to Washington's pass rush and Jim Haslet's defensive schemes, which kept Brady off-kilter all day. Maybe I'll be able to convince myself that Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth shredded this secondary because they are both still a little bitter about being released by New England. Maybe I'll be able to make the case that even when the Patriots have a bad game, they are still pretty damn good. And maybe I'll read somewhere that Rex Grossman used this Patriots game to finally unleash a brilliant scheme that has been 6 years in the making, luring the entire NFL to sleep with horrendous play season after season before exploding onto the scene as one of the league's more dominant quarterbacks. Maybe all that will happen, and I'll be able to erase that nagging question of how the hell this team is supposed to compete with anyone that it is going to face in the playoffs with this defense, even if they do come up big when it matters most.

For now, though, I'm just going to sit here and try to enjoy this one as best I can. Sure, my hands are still shaking, but they're bound to stop any time now. At least I hope so, because I have a funny feeling I have a whole lot of praying to do this week.

Rumor has it that a certain member of the Denver Broncos has a man on the inside.

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McCourty looks lost

On virtually every play. The one play he actually did something on got called back for a craptastic makeup unnecessary roughness against Wilfork.

To say that DMC had a bad game yesterday is an insult to people who only played badly. He was atrocious, and if I was a Martian and you told me he was a 2010 Pro Bowler and finished second in voting for Defensive Rookie of the Year I’d call you a liar.

by dudebro on Dec 12, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

he was bad in the first half

he defended 1-4 passes, and one was a PI

second half: defended 2-3 passes, and that one catch was met with a well defended mccourty.

I liked his play in the second half. first half was disgusting.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

yep.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Dec 12, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

While it is hard to deny that DMC has been preyed upon week in and week out, I don’t think he looks at all lost. He almost always seems to be in the right position to make a play, but for whatever reason, be it poor timing, lack of reaction time or simple hesitation, he hasn’t been making that move on the ball.

While a lot of the blame still falls on him, I can’t help but believe that the miserable safety play is causing this. If he has no confidence that there is safety support (and he has no reason to believe he does), he is going to be much less inclined to make a bold play on the ball because chances are that he is the last line of defense (and he usually is). The guy is not playing aggressively at all and is playing hesitant, but lost he is not.

by ssanaside on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Tunnel Vision

Brady is starting to get tunnel vision and only look for Gronk like he used to do with Moss. This worries me when someone like Rex Ryan you know will figure a way to cover him, resulting in Tom being lost without his blanket, just like last year in the playoffs.

by Brady's Revenge on Dec 12, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

DMC said he’s not lacking confidence

"Thirty-seven points on the best defense in the league, suck my d–k" - Bill Belichick

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by BostonBeasts on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks Alec
What I’m going to be telling myself over and over (and over) this week is that Washington is one of those places that the Patriots have historically struggled as of late and that the Washington Redskins gave the Pats everything they had yesterday.

The Washington papers pretty much said the same thing this morning, wondering where the energy and fire that the Redskins displayed against the Patriots has been the rest of the season. It just reinforces my belief that other teams play the Patriots hard and really get up for the games.

God I’m sick of making no-name quarterbacks look like all stars. I’m just so damn sick of it.
Rex Grossman is just pissed that he didn’t get the 300 yards that the Patriots defense has been allowing other quarterbacks to get.
I have a very bad feeling that by this time next week I’ll be able to say that Bill Belichick’s defense got absolutely dominated by Dan Orlovsky, Rex Grossman, and Tim Tebow.
Do what Tebow would do, Alec. Have some FAITH! Especially when things aren’t looking too good, like it is with the Broncos every fourth quarter.

By the way don’t be offended if I ever come to visit, when I politely refuse the offer of a seat in your comfy recliner. : )

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

About the "Woodhead toss" idea

There was a similar play last year, where Vollmer essentially tossed Edelman across the first-down line.

However, I don’t know if it really is allowed for a player to be tossed like that? Is it? I honestly have no idea!

(And, on another note, could a GRONK spike be used as an in-game strategy, or is there some rule against that, too?)

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by lone1c on Dec 12, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Not legal -- entertaining though it may be.

“”http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/useofhands" >No player on offense may assist a runner except by blocking for him. There shall be no interlocking interference."

Obviously, as in all rules, this one has a practical interpretation that allows some things that, on the face of the rule, would be illegal. But dwarf-tossing Woody is going to get called, every time.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

by JohnHannahRules on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, William "The Fridge" Perry, once carried Walter Payton for a "touchdown" that ended up as a penalty because it's illegal.

His excuse was, “I didn’t know you couldn’t do that”. It was funny because Payton did, and was trying to get out of his grasp.

Technically, you can’t push the player from the back either, but it happens all the time.

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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Logan Mankins pushed Maroney over the goal line once for a TD

It was hilarious, and wasn’t called either. : )

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Dec 12, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We should have just lined up a fullback BEHIND Maroney and shove him through a hole.

No more DDR for a loss. He’d probably end up on the injury report with whiplash, though.

Kind of reminds me of the guy that shoves the paratrooper through the door if he gets second thoughts.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

I actually had a high school coach that would do that with young running backs — kids often literally expect the waters to part. On the snap, he’d chase the kid to the hole and if he hesitated, grab his back shield like a steering wheel and literally drive him into the crease.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

by JohnHannahRules on Dec 13, 2011 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, he sounds like a great coach.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

1. I don’t think the int was that dumb a play. Yes it was a tight window BUT it was a window and there was still a 50/50 a big guy like Underwood comes down with it.
2. The run defence was far worse than the pass defence. There were problems on the D-line and with the linebacker fits. That’s what will kill you.
3. Was it just me or was Washington playing a lot of Capers 2-4-5?
4. I don’t think DMac was that bad. I think the safeties were really, really bad.

5. Herndo has 59 receptions on the year. Thought we didn’t have a #3 or #4 receiver?

6. I know Gronk is a rare breed of speed and power, but Herndo has ridiculous lateral agility for a guy his size.

by quadruple option on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

The complaint was that when Herndo was hurt, we didn't have a #3.

Branch put up no numbers, and relly neither did anyone else. Once Herndo came back, Branch was found again.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumb...

There’s absolutely no reason to throw into a tight window in that situation. Pats didn’t need a touchdown there, a field goal would have been just as good. It would have been smarter to throw the ball away and kick a field goal under the circumstances. The one thing you absolutely do not want to do there is turn the ball over. I love Brady, but that was a bad throw and a bad decision, no doubt about it.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

I would have been more than happy with him just simply throwing the ball away there. Very UnBrady like. There really wasn’t a play and the Skins had significant pressure, so take the 3 and all but seal the game.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Dec 12, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Beyond that...

In that situation the Pats should have been trying to run the ball into the end zone. Instead they passed (if I remember correctly) on first, second and third and goal. Why? Run the ball, take some time off the clock, and if you can’t pound it in, just kick a field goal.

I did not understand the play calling there at all.

Brady is usually (almost always) smarter than that in those situations.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

BJGE looked ineffective, but that’s the beauty of having a bevy of backs. One might be more effective against a certain style of defense over another due to the back’s skill set, size, what have you. Woodhead looked pretty promising, but they moved away from that. Not sure why. I think the coaches get a little gameplan-crazy when they see the mismatches of our TEs against (insert defense here). It gets very unbalanced favoring the pass.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Dec 12, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You have not factor in the incompetence of the dense is start weighting on TB.

He knows very well if he can’t win, NE can’t hold even the 32nd of offense of the league.

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by MadDogExtra on Dec 12, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That could be...

but it doesn’t make the throw or the decision any better. If Brady is starting to crack under the pressure, this team is in big trouble.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Dec 12, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

That fight with BoB started because Brady was pissed at Underwood for the cut he made on that play. I’m pretty sure he was made he cut to so deep in the endzone and allowed his defender the space to get in front of him. Very similar to how Ocho ran his route improperly and allowed an Int

by Oughat on Dec 12, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it started because Brady was pissed that he threw the interception first

and then wanted Underwood to share the blame. O’Brien defended Underwood (since clearly, Underwood wasn’t as open as Brady thought) and put that blame on Brady’s shoulders instead.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Dec 12, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

dude I got the food
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, GRONK? Diving catch, breaks 16 tackles, skirts the sideline, outruns some DBs, and sets Tommy B up inside the 15. If the person who hurt Gronk’s back in college, thus knocking him down the draft board, is reading this – send me an email. I’d like to buy you a drink.
OK – two drinks.
Actually – drinks on me all night.
The same offer goes to whoever gave Aaron Hernandez that joint.

I had the same thoughts yesterday… Thank goodness BB decided to trade with the Raiders to go ahead and pick up Gronk and Lawd I hope that ish was the sticky icky that AH smoked right before testing ;)-

Our Secondary sucks and we need to get that fixed ASAP there is no way we are going to get anywhere postseason looking like that. We have the WORSE defense in the league. It’s freaking embarrassing, we are winning “barely.”

And If Tebow and the Donkees pull a Shannon Sharpe on us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnZXSFOXCw. I’m Karate Chopping my brand new TV set.

Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck.
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by Jmee on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

the link is broken

New England Patriots: 9-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, Chiefs, Eagles, and Colts

by freeland1787 on Dec 12, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fixed the Link

but here is another if that one doesn’t work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxsHXuM6ah0

Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck.
~Don Shula

by Jmee on Dec 12, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the inside report.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t talk today I was cheering so hard!

by Paydirt on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

...and that is the fan's job description right there.

Good job!

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and this:
Welker is a vacuum. When Brady throws the low ones to him you initially think ‘incomplete’ but then welker is off and running.

Too true.

The one I remember him missing is the one behind him and next to his helmet, which is a tough pass to catch because the inner hand has to move nearly through the facemask. A little lower, or a little more centered and that is a touchdown.

Still, Welker is going to be thinking about it and improving his game. Gotta love that.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

On TV...

it sounded like the Pats fans were making a lot of noise. Just listening it was hard to tell the Pats were on the road, so you and your buddy must have been pretty loud. Well done!

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it was pretty cool

hearing the crowd roar in support for a Pats play. Sounded like a good-sized crowd cheering for New England.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Dec 12, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

They're getting lambasted

over at HH. The sheer number of Pats fans that were at the game, that is. Never understood the criticisms of other fans showing up at the opposing team’s stadium. Next time, buy the tickets before they do?

D.C. is fairly close to the NE region, after all. It’s not like going to University of Phoenix stadium…or any stadium other than Heinz, for that matter…and seeing 75% terrible towels during Steelers games.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Dec 12, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Wah...

They should be pissed at their season ticket holders who sold their tickets to Pats fans. How else do you explain so many Pats fans in the front rows?

Visiting fans should always behave respectfully, but there is nothing wrong with making some noise for your team.

I’m a Baltimore Orioles fan, and I absolutely hate it when I go to a game at Camden Yards and there are more Red Sox or Yankees fans than O’s fans. But I can’t really blame the opposing fans for the fact that Peter Angelos has run the franchise into the ground to the point that has been allowed to happen.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Dec 12, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I, for some reason, like

the feeling of being in hostile territory. I don’t think I’d like to go to an opposing team’s stadium and see too many familiar faces. Maybe it’s just because I’m crazy, but it’s a great way to “earn your stripes” as a fan when you’re deep behind enemy lines.

It’ll be like that this Sunday in Denver, and it was like that in Sox gear at Yankee Stadium. Oftentimes scary, but all in good fun (for the most part).

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Dec 12, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't go back to the meadowlands.

Unremitting shit — stuff that would start a fistfight on the street. The only good thing about that day was the Hobbs kick return, Randy beating three guys deep at once, and the place emptying out by the end of the 3rd.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

by JohnHannahRules on Dec 13, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure I ask for it, sometimes

I really try to positively contribute to discussion, but it always irks me a bit when fans of other teams start to lay out the insults and excuses instead of a simple “good game.” I mean, it wasn’t one comment, it was an entire blog post about the inherent flaws of Boston sports fans. Kinda weird.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Dec 12, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to reply to a few things, but decided against it

I wasn’t feeling the need to get either jumped all over, deliberately misinterpreted or insulted.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Dec 12, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

For the better, I'm sure

You’re much wiser than I. :-)

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Dec 12, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm.
Seriously – can you imagine any member of the Colts’ staff getting after Peyton Manning like that?

I’ve seen him yelling at himself on the sidelines. I think that must be the OC yelling at the QB, thing. It’s just more efficient when it’s all the same guy.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Something that's been hidden a little bit:
Once again, Jerod Mayo comes up with an INT when it mattered. That’s two straight games now.
It’s very rare that a hit causes a human being to literally fold in half. Jerod Mayo’s hit on Rex Grossman to complete the 1st quarter goal line stand folded him like a book. You could almost see the cartoon speech bubble above Rex’s helmet with a big OOF! in it.

One of the problems I’ve had with Mayo is that he has been a tackling machine and nothing more. No INT’s, no PD’s, no Sacks, no FF’s, no nothing – just 5.6 billion tackles per year.

Actually, here’s the real deal:
2008 0 Ints, 4 PD’s, 0 Sacks, 1 FF, 128 Tackles (16 games – 8.0 per game)
2009 0 Ints, 1 PD, 1.5 Sacks, 1 FF, 103 Tackles (13 games – 7.9 per game)
2010 0 Ints, 5 PD’s, 2 Sacks, 1 FF, 174 Tackles (16 games – 10.9 per game)
2011 2 Ints, 3 PD’s, 0 Sacks, 1 FF, 68 Tackles (11 games – 6.1 per game)

He’s needed to take that next step, and maybe we’re seeing it. He’s been a step slow on getting some sacks, but he’s had some hits. He touched 5 passes last year, and the same number this year (in 5 less games), but held onto 2 of them. Not manning the middle, he doesn’t get as many tackles (of course the rest of the team isn’t tackling either). Maybe they’re running away from him. It’ll be interesting to see where he goes from here.

You can look at the numbers and say he’s in decline because his tackles have fallen off, and that’s true. At the same time, though, I don’t see guys running past # 51. I just think there aren’t as many opportunities for him.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

This was the most unhappy I've been...

…while watching a Patriots win. My girlfriend was confused because I was getting so upset. “They’re winning, right?” “Yeah, but they look terrible!”

by Richard Hill on Dec 12, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

there was a lot not to like about that win.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, when the showed Ray Rice's highlight in the first quarter...

…my first thought was, “wow, I can’t remember seeing such an explosive runner.” and the Roy Helu starting running. Yeah.

by Richard Hill on Dec 12, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Faith

Can we have someone like Tebow on our defense? Or maybe we already have or how else can you explain the Pats surviving all these games

by knn9413 on Dec 12, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Defensive Backs

Our outlook against Pitt,, Balt, New Or or Green Bay is bleak, true enough. Anyone who saw the Giants/Dallas game so DB play every bit as bad as ours. 250-300 yards passing is now a bad day unless you have run for 150+ and have a 14 + point win. It is what the league has become. Rules favor the offense, WR’s are bigger than the DB’s. QB’s are more mobile and bigger and defensive players are never sure whether the refs are going to allow them to be tackled. In another area I hope Markell Carter’s optimism is related to an as yet unknown plan to use his speed to shadow Tim Tebow.

by WRMaurer on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

NE defense doesn't have a single player answer for TB.

Bear has Urlacher, Ravens has Ray Lewis. I was considering picking the Bear over Broncos but then I realized that the Bear has no QB. Bear was closed to win the game anyway. You need very good LB to shadow TB one on one.

Me: Words can fool men but Nature doesn't give a damn!
David Brooks: The premise of the current financial regulatory reform is that the establishment missed the last bubble and, therefore, more power should be vested in the establishment to foresee and prevent the next one.

by MadDogExtra on Dec 12, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Face palm. TT not TB. Well at least I got one T correct.

Me: Words can fool men but Nature doesn't give a damn!
David Brooks: The premise of the current financial regulatory reform is that the establishment missed the last bubble and, therefore, more power should be vested in the establishment to foresee and prevent the next one.

by MadDogExtra on Dec 12, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Luck is running thin

The Pats were just one turnover away from losing their last two games against bad teams. They can not continue on this path. The post season will bring teams that will slow down the Pats offense. The defense is getting killed playing zone coverage with little pressure on the QB. They are getting picked apart. They could not stop the Redskins running attack. The defense looks worse now than it did in the begining of the year. If the Pats do not win the turnover battle on the playing field, then they will lose games. The defense is lacking good coaching with an effective plan. There are no hidden stunts or schemes to confuse the opposing offense. The defense is too predictable and easy to pick apart. I am hoping BB has been hiding a master plan on defense that will take them deep into the post season. The reality will be the same as last year. The more balanced teams in the post season will prevail. Winning the turnover battle will be the Pats only hope to survive.

by PVS53 on Dec 12, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't call it luck -- but you're right.

The defense looks worse, because it IS worse. I mean, we’ve been STARTING a special-teams receiver at safety. That should pretty much say everything.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

by JohnHannahRules on Dec 13, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Man. Gronk is amazing.

I remember he dropped on draft day because he was injured, but was it supposed to be a long-term injury? I never understand why one injury that someone should recover from will drop a guy that far.

He’s the best draft pick BB has had since what? IF you don’t count trading a 4th for Moss, then you’ll probably have to go back a ways. He’s really like Antonio Gates. So far, I’ve only seem three teams do a good job against him. Oakland (mainly because they just decided not to cover Welker), the Jets in round 1, and the Eagles. The Chiefs actually did a good job other than the one play where they decided not to cover him for the TD in the 2nd quarter.

I will say that I find Aaron Hernandez overrated. He’s fine, but I don’t think he’s a game-changer. He’s not really a matchup problem because I think a good DB can cover him. Gronk is another story. I can’t even think of someone that might be able to do a good job other than putting your best cover guy, like what the Eagles did with Nnamdi at times.

As for the rest of the game. Man, that defense is pretty pathetic. They got their usual bulls**t interception to ice the game, and their pass rush continues to get better, but their coverage is just horrible. Luckily for them, the best offenses in the NFL all reside in teh NFC, but I think the Steelers would have a good shot to score a bunch against them if they meet again.

As a part-time Raiders fan… next week is kind of a win-win. But please beat teh Tebows.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Dec 12, 2011 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe let them take the lead early.

They won’t know what to do.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Good luck storming the castle!

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

by JohnHannahRules on Dec 13, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Brady end zone interception

Was maddening. Gronk was open at the goal line but maybe Tommy was purposely trying to spread the ball around.

As a side note, that was an amazing circus catch by the Skins DB. Highlight reel worthy.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

by MaPatsFan on Dec 13, 2011 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

right after his blatent hold…it was a great int.

by Oughat on Dec 13, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year

At the end of the year there were so many injuries on the DL we didn’t know who was playing there from quarter to quarter. [Arrington was a pass rusher remember]. This year it is in the DB complicated by the trade aways. The difference is this year it is a little earlier making it possible for McCourty and Chung to be rested and others to become familiar with responsibilities. Its painful but we are holding tryouts again. There is nore hope this year.

by WRMaurer on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

"nore" hope?

Is that somewhere between “more” and “no”? If so, I agree.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Dec 13, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

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