Patriots 27 Dolphins 24: What a Comeback!

However you are telling me that with a full quarter of football left when its only an 14 point game, that letting up a touchdown to make it a 7 point game is the defense doing their job.

No i am telling you that with a full quarter of football left, when the score was 20-7, they started playing looser coverage. They gave up a TD next yep, and yes I believe they were still playing looser coverage. Why you may ask? Because on the next pats possession they scored a TD and an etra point to make it 29-14. Then san diego fumbled it, and the pats scored another TD. The game is over right now, as its 36(?)-14. So yeah, the pats defense played about a full quarter of looser coverage. Its not bad coaching, its situational football. They are up by a good amount, and so by playing looser coverage they may give up a lot of yards, but the clock will get eaten away. Thats the main philosophy behind such a thing. Rich even says so in the post I made pertaining to the colts game.

Thats the only game up for debate stat wise, the rest are rock solid and there is nothing you can say about that.

I agree, because the circumstances that I listed:

we already covered the two miami games, the chargers game, indi game, chiefs game, Oakland game, as well as maybe 1 or two more. So that leaves 2 games where the full pats team just pooped (Pitt, Giants. And as in "poop" as in the offense not connecting at all, and the defense not being able to fully handle the opposing team for 4 quarters), 1 game where it was a second half collapse with 4 INTs (Buffalo), 2 bad games by the defense overall (eagles, redskins), 1 game where the offense couldn’t do anything (cowboys), and games where the QBs just suck at throwing (two jet games, and broncos game),

Thats 9 games which I can’t use, because garbage time had nothing to do with them. And there is also 6 games in which loose coverage looked quite apparent late in the game.

"Please, go look at the stats of each team heading into the 4th quarter (heading into). You’ll see that most of the QBs we faced get MOST of their yardage late in the game when we already have the game in the bag."

Proven that false…

Yes I know. Good job, as I was admitting I was wrong in my previous post on that aspect.

"Its great to use stats, but they never tell you the full story."

This is great because you criticized me for not backing up my analysis with stats.

You don’t get it. lol I use stats to help back off arguments but I never look at them as full truths. They never tell you the full story, but its good to use them as a basis, but never the sole truth of a matter. At least thats what I believed anyways, and everyone here can tell you that I have always believed such a thing.

"There was… probably 3 games that did not have garbage time. Perhaps 4 games. the rest though? There was garbage time because the pats offense gets out a big lead (Rich mentions it in his post that I linked you). This is not me speweing out nonsense, this is fact."

Actually it was nonsense because you say!
Now

"Thats 9 games which I can’t use, because garbage time had nothing to do with them. "

Right, like I said above, I was admitting I was wrong, but of course, you think:

Now you are backing off but trying to spin it to factor in offense and tipped balls and god knows what.

No. I was admitting I was wrong. then I looked at it from another angle:

6 of those garbage time games+ the 2 bad defensive games+ 2 games where the defense (as well as offense) pooped the bed, and 1 second half collapse (which the defense was a part of anyways), leaves 11/15 games played in which the defense quite a lot of yardage, which skews the stats. Now, the defense has been bad, but 6 of those 15 games with garbage time stats are something to take note of, and not an overblown excuse.

This is simply a conversation about the passing defense and I have statistically undercut your whole argument.

This is a fun one though. You said this about me earlier

"It’s great when you actually research these numbers"

Funny when the numbers do not support the argument you were saying it did.

You haven’t undercut anything. lol

And I admitted I was wrong about the numbers, but you still did not disprove that garbage time stats are something to take into account for our passing defense (since our scheme is different from most teams. I don’t know how much teams run a bend but dont break defense they way we do).

Lets look at the numbers you made too:

Lets crunch your numbers for you again for fun Ill add the touchdown and yardage from that game (even though they are not garbage time) just to prove the point

6 garbage touchdowns against 18 regular
24 total
1023 garbage yards against 3496 regular
4420 total

29.2% yardage
25% touchdowns

So if garbage TDs take up a quarter of the TDs you gave up, thats not a lot? I suppose not. I wouldn’t think its much. But here is the thing that you already understand.

Our defense is average at best. They have had a couple bad games, as well as being involved with bad team games. The defense gives up what? The 14th most points? So there must be other teams in the NFl that give up more TDs than us right? So with that TD stat, its safe to say that we are probably better off than half the teams in the league… right?

And looking at the yardage stat, its no secret that we have given up the most passing yardage. I have said that we have given up the most yardage in garbage time. There are only 6 games out of our 15 games that garbage time has been taken into effect. the other times? Well I have listed them. The situations did not call for any garbage time. Unless you want to add in the two jet games, and the broncos games which would make it 9/15, but their QBs did not throw the ball well enough to warrant a large passing yardage sum (although I could look at sanchez and tebow late in the game vs.earlier on, but I can’t imagine to be too much of a difference).

The only game on the pats schedule that had the pats defense in looser coverage, and they blew it, was the Bills game, but Brady’s 4 INTs must be taken into account. So here is the way I see it.

Your looking at all 15 games, which is great, and you are looking at games with garbage time stats. Now ask yourself this: If the game didn’t warrant a garbage time defense, because of a certain circumstance, than should you REALLY take that game into account? But please before you answer that question, here is another one for you:

Since we are talking about garbage time yards, and how much the pats defense would give up in garbage time vs. regular time, wouldn’t it make sense to look at games where the garbage time defense would be taken into effect? It obviously wouldn’t take into effect vs. Pitt, or the Boys, Washington and eagles were both just bad performances throughout the game, so there really is no difference there and defenses do have bad games in the nfl in general, would it take into effect if the pats offense isn’t scoring any points?

Now I know you can turn around and say that I said you should look at all games as a whole. But I was saying that in the aspect of analyzing how the defense is in general. To take into account of all games, good and bad and the situations, to see how good they really are. But this case is that we are talking about can garbage time skew the stats, and if you want to find that out, you need to look at games where garbage time was warranted. If you know what I mean.