Can Pats beat Brees in superbowl?
No, I don't think the Pack will make it back. Drew Brees is in laser beam territory. He is on the money. He is hotter than a pistol. He will beat the funky Pack D and the Pats will have to stop him....with what? Which converted WR is gonna stuff Drew? The guy whose been cut twice or the one who played QB in college? Vinny's got two pix...put him on Colston. Wouldn't you love to see Vinny chuck a wideout? Drew Brees doesn't throw incompletions...once in awhile his receiver drops one and that would be about it. He has thrown for eleven million yards this season. Last night he threw for 11 touchdowns against Atlanta. Brees makes all the opposing DB's look like..well...Vinny. In the Soopah bow Gronk is going to need to catch 5 TD's just to keep the Pats within shouting distance. Ridley is going to have to rush for 650 yards, Welker is going to have to catch 39 five yard outs and Brees is going to have to get released before the game.
OK, enough of this defeatist talk. Brady will match Brees TD for TD and Arrington will make a pick six with 2 seconds left (more time than that and Bress will come back).
The Pats WILL make it to the super bowl. I'm hoping the Saints won't.
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Oh please
NE def: 21.4 Points per game
GB def: 21.2 Points per game
NO def: 21.5 points per game
only difference is a slight variation in yards which really means crap when it’s this close.
Brady is every bit as good as Brees this year, the difference is NO this year is hell bent on making Brees beat the record. For all the talk of the Pats running up the score the Saints were still passing in games where they ran away with the game early (Ind, NY, Detriot, Min, Alt) and despite having one of the best rushing attacks in game, they only were 21th in rush attempts while have 40+ pass attempts per game. Brady isn’t far off from Brees’s record and those 3+ extra attempts per game are essentially the difference between the two now.(Let’s say Brady passed 3 more times per game, at his 66% completion he would be expected to complete 2 out of the 3, which would give him an extra 17 yrds per game and over 15 games it would amount to 255 extra yards. Oh look suddenly in this scenario Brady would have beaten Mariano’s record first.)
Also Brees has 42 total TD’s passing and Rushing, while Brady has 39 total TD’s. Brady is also averaging more yards per attempt than Brees. So Brady easily can keep up with Brees in the shoot out since:
1. He’s every bit as good
2. The saints defense isn’t exactly much better. (3rd worst in the league and much less turnovers)
3. Brees can play like crap too, he lost to the Rams and Tampa.
Oh yea, i don’t also think the Saints are beating the packers since Bree’s numbers outside a dome is not as good.
by lololol on Dec 27, 2011 4:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
Brady has not been Brady this season accuracy wise. The stats may not reflect that but we have all noticed it, he has been missing open WRs and throwing at their feet more often than usually (which is rarely). I mean we saw it in the Fins game, and a lot of other games this season. First half he really struggled hitting open guys, 2nd half he woke up and was Tom Brady again. Brees has had no such accuracy issues this season as far as I’ve seen.
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Brady is going to throw a few bad passes, but it's a very minor number compared to the overall scheme
Some of those bad passes is due to pressure from the defense, which is going to happen to every QB. Advanced Stats still has Brady close to Brees and Rodgers. Brees lead in DYAR but Brady beats him in DVOA (value per play). It’s really close and in a single game context it meets moot. It’s like arguing over a .300 hitter and a .315 hitter. Yes in the overall scheme of things the .315 hitter will looks slightly better, but in a one game scenario the difference between the two is so small that it’s pointless. Also it’s not as if Brees doesn’t throw bad passes EVER. Brees does have 13 ints and 5 multiple interception games.
are you crazy
dude half the catches from the Miami game were dropped. not all the throws were Brady’s fault
by Slim Rickins on Dec 28, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
you think the Saints will score 72?! nice
just messin’ with ya. Two weak defenses would be an interesting matchup…as would Payton/Belichick…assuming Payton can stay sober long enough to call some plays ;)
by snowboard_kat on Dec 27, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
ha!
our Coach is a party boy…he likes his drink…and his women. He doesn’t hide his dark side as well as Belichick ;)
by snowboard_kat on Dec 27, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
A dark side reference? Kat, are you sick?

by Lythos on Dec 27, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Darth Hoodius' power knows no bounds

It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.
by BigRussNovak on Dec 27, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
image reply fail.
It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.
by BigRussNovak on Dec 27, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
haha
we still celebrate our 3 superbowls and to an extent the 16-0 season.
by Slim Rickins on Dec 28, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
One of us consoles the other at the end of the game.
That sounds like fun tooooo.
Drew Brees....MVP Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Dec 27, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm predicting some Pats/Saints love children...
given all the co-mingling that has been happening as of late ;)
Ha, unfortunately my wife will tell you what a big flirt I am.
Since I am a mostly happily married man, that’s all I do.
Drew Brees....MVP Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Dec 27, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
As a male Pats fan,
I can’t think of any female Saints fans that I know…
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
I did that on purpose.
I knew that you would respond. Whatever happened to the picture of you doing a handstand?
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
Lol, that's Kim
and she’s a Pats fan, so where’s the fun in that?
by snowboard_kat on Dec 27, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in a Pats/Saints superbowl
at least half of the couple would be happy. lol
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
That makes one of us.
I used to live in NOLA. Now I’m stuck in Houston, TX. Damn work.
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
a Pats fan in NOLA?
that’s almost more unlikely than a Saints fan in Boston
by snowboard_kat on Dec 28, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I had alot of friends there that were also Pats fans.
Granted, this was before the Super Bowl win by the Saints. And most of my friends were from Mass.
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
It's hard to go and enjoy the game in a bar there, though.
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated. On Twitter @jtanniehill
its my prediction
I predicted the Pats Panthers preseason as i live here in NC, wife is a NOLA fan so predicted that and i think it might happen, might also be the end of the marriage if the saints win. LOL.
correction
I predicted the Panthers in 03 when we played them, not this year, should be obvious but the wording sucked.
One has to remember that Brees' numbers are extraordinarily pedestrian
when he plays anywhere that’s not a dome. Even in Tampa Bay, on a gorgeous day, he struggled with accuracy. In St. Louis? He was flat out horrible. In 2009 they had the luxury of playing all of the playoff games in the Super Dome, but he’s going to have to go to San Francisco or Green Bay, and that just spells disaster for New Orleans. They may not make it if they have to play in San Fran, where it’s notoriously windy, or Green Bay, where it’s generally a frozen tundra.
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that he can’t win outside of a dome, but he certainly becomes very, very human. There was a great graphic on NFL Network last week that showed the huge disparity between his numbers when in dome/out of dome and home/away and it was staggering. I wish I could find it. Oh well.
But, in the case of a Patriots-Saints Super Bowl, I would say that the game would be based not solely on passing performance, but on the performance of the running game. If the Pats could establish a strong running game between Ridley, Green-Ellis, Woodhead, and Vereen (hopefully) they could dominate time of possession, and keep Brees on the sideline, much the same way the Dolphins game started this past weekend. Of course, I wouldn’t expect the Patriots to win the game unless Brady threw for 300+ yards and 4 TD’s, but time of possession would certainly help.
Or, Brady and Brees could get into a shootout, put up 50 points each, and have Brady hit Gronkowski for his 8th TD pass of the day to win the Super Bowl. That would be fun, albeit a white knuckle experience..
It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.
Well, not to discount your other points...
But to go back to the original questions, if it’s a Pats-Saints Superbowl, it WILL be in a dome.
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Dec 27, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Brees, numbers are extraordinarily pedestrian when he plays anywhere that’s not a dome.
Really? Well let’s look at that according to the examples you gave.
1. Even in Tampa Bay, on a gorgeous day, he struggled with accuracy
2. In St. Louis? He was flat out horrible
3. There was a great graphic on NFL Network last week that showed the huge disparity between his numbers when in dome/out of dome and home/away and it was staggering. I wish I could find it. Oh well.
So far, you have given only one example of a game that was played outside. The other two examples you gave are a graphic that is supposed to show a “huge disparity” that is “staggering” which you could not find, and the St. Louis game, which is complete irrelevant to your argument because the Rams also play in a dome. Your whole point is that he is “extraordinarily pedestrian” when he doesn’t play in a dome so I have no idea why you mentioned that game.
Your entire argument based on one game and a graphic that you don’t have. How would you like it if some Saints fan did the same thing to Tom Brady? Introduce some premise with no supporting data and then pass it off as the reason for a Saints victory in a Super Bowl between the two teams.
How about this one? Tom Brady has not won a playoff game since January of 2008, which will be four full years starting next week. Shall I draw some wild conclusion about the Patriots ability to even make it to the Super Bowl (let alone win one) based on that limited (but very true) example.
Here’s the thing…..I remember that graphic you’re talking about and it was neither “staggering” or showed any “huge disparity”. Was there a difference? Yes….but it was based on a select number of games that were cherry picked just to fit the point they were trying to make. Which is S.O.P. for the idiot sports media.
Let me give you some example of games that folks don’t talk about whenever they want to make a case for Brees being so “ordinary” in outside games.
2011 Green Bay, 32-49 (65%), 419-yds, 3-tds, 0-ints, 112.5-rating
2011 Carolina, 32-45 (71%), 359 yds, 2-tds, 1-int, 100.1 rating
2011 Tennessee, 36-47 (76%), 337-yds, 2-tds, 0-int, 110.0 rating
2010 Cincinnati, 24-29 (82%), 313-yds, 2-tds, 1-int, 120.3 rating
2010 Baltimore, 29-46 (63%), 267-yds, 3-tds, 1-int, 91.5 rating
2010 San Francisco, 28-38 (73%), 254-yds, 2-tds, 0-int, 108.9 rating
2010 Tampa Bay, 21-32 (65%), 263-yds, 3-tds, 1-int, 109.2
2009 Philadelphia, 25-34 (73%), 311-yds, 3-tds, 1-int, 118.6
2009 Tampa Bay, 19-29 (65%), 187-yds, 3-tds, 0-int, 118.0 rating
2009 Washington, 35-49 (71%), 419-yds, 2-tds, 1-int, 102.3 rating
Oh yeah, there was one other game that was played outside which folks conveniently ignore whenever making a case against Brees being able to play well outside of a dome.
Super Bowl 44 Miami – 32-39 (82%), 288-yds, 2-tds, 0-int, 114.5 rating
I’m not doing this to get into an argument with you Big Russ, I’m just showing that people can say whatever they want to make a case against anybody if they really want to…..even against Tom Brady. But, I like both the Pats and Saints, and I want both of them to make it to the Super Bowl. Once they are there, I’m not emotionally invested either way and I’m satisfied with whoever wins.
Why? Because in either the case, the winner will be sticking it to the NFL and the fans who don’t like either team.
~Anything by Yogi Berra~
by BewareofDog on Dec 27, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This.
Yes, Brees’ numbers benefit from playing in a dome. He’s still an elite quarterback when you take him out of it.
by Richard Hill on Dec 27, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that he was elite when he was in San Diego.
I still can’t believe they let him go that easily.
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
I think he was a bit of a scapegoat
Normally teams ditch their coach, they went the other route and drafted another QB and bailed on the starter. Its amazing how lucky they got having two capable QBs on their roster at the same time.
OH
and don’t forget they “let him go” because he messed up his shoulder in the last game of the year in ‘05. They probably would have franchised him again or tried to resign him and trade Rivers if it hadn’t happened.
I didn't forget that.
Wasn’t it the last play in a game that didn’t matter?
I'm not drunk, I'm......hydrated.
I agree. It will be difficult for Patriots to beat NO in INDY dome. The only hope is for someone to beat NO is in a place that is not a dome. This will be GB’s advantage if they meet. Hopefully it will be snowy, windy and freezing.
NO not only has 8 or more players who catch passes in most games this season but their running back group especially Sproles and that guy who was injured last year really give NO a lot of offensive weapons.
ATL traded 2 years of draft picks for Julio Jones. He was going to be the last piece that would take them to the superbowl. What a bonehead decision. ATL will be lucky to win one playoff game. ATL still sucks. If they play NO in playoff, hopefully they luck out and beat ATL.
Imagine being an ATL fan and knowing first and second round picks in next draft are traded. YIKES!!!.
Can Saints beat Brady in superbowl?
No, I don’t think the Steelers will make it back. Tom Brady is in laser beam territory. He is on the money. He is hotter than a pistol. He will beat the funky Baltimore D and the Saints will have to stop him….with what? Which converted WR is gonna stuff Tom? The guy whose been cut twice or the one who played QB in college? The Saints have 8 interceptions all year. Wouldn’t you love to see Brady pick apart their secondary? Tom Brady doesn’t throw incompletions…once in awhile his receiver drops one and that would be about it. He has thrown for eleven million yards this season. Last night he scored 11 touchdowns against Miami. Brady makes all the opposing DB’s look like..well…Aubrayo Franklin. In the Soopah bow Graham is going to need to catch 5 TD’s just to keep the Saints within shouting distance. Thomas is going to have to rush for 650 yards, Colston is going to have to catch 39 five yard outs and Brady is going to have to get released before the game.
OK, enough of this defeatist talk. Brees will match Brady TD for TD and Tracy Porter will make a pick six with 2 seconds left (more time than that and Brady will come back).
The Saints WILL make it to the super bowl. I’m hoping the Pats won’t.
by bloppy_ploppy on Dec 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Respectfully, you must be a saints fan that has not watched many pats games cuz...
Brady is not in laser beam territory. He has missed an alarming number of throws this year. Granted he has made far more spectacular passes but he has missed a growing number of passes. However, I am not about to say that Brees is better or that I would want him over brady.
Any patriots fan that has been watching the games, and is not in denial, will tell you the same
Can Eli Manning beat TFB in the Superbowl?
by quadruple option on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 AM EST reply actions
Lost in the whole Brees breaking Marino's record
is the fact that he threw twice as many picks in that game as brady has in his last 7 games.

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