Mankins Gets Tagged: What Happens Next? (Part 2)
by Greg Knopping on Feb 14, 2011 7:00 PM EST
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With Logan Mankins officially receiving the franchise tag designation from the Patriots today, we're taking a look at what questions must be answered before Mankins can return to the field for the team:
3. Will Mankins accept the tender?
To sign or not to sign? I think that Logan Mankins was pretty clear last year that he wanted the security of a long term contract extension, so why should he be happy with just a one year deal under the franchise tag? In a recent tweet, Mike Reiss pointed out that if he signs the tender of $10.1 million (assuming it's non-exclusive), Mankins will make significanty more than he has made his entire career. That should be incentive, although it may not be as sweet as the fat signing bonus Mankins could get if he signs a contract extension. Still, the situation is a lot better than it was last year for Mankins, when he would have received just over $3 million by signing the restricted free agent tender.
But what do you do if you're Logan Mankins and you're not happy with the tender and a contract extension doesn't appear close? From his perspective, you acted on good faith last year by showing up three games earlier than you had to. Do you hold out again? Mankins can't really do much to force a trade. He could try to strike a deal similar to Asante Samuel, where the Patriots agree not to franchise him a second time. If I were Mankins, I would simply sign the tender when and if possible, then play it out for one year.
A look at the question: "Should the Patriots Keep Logan Mankins?" After the Jump!
4. Should the Patriots keep Logan Mankins?
This is really a question of opinion. However, there seems to be a lot of recent sentiment around Patriot nation that the team should try to get whatever they can for Mankins and move on. After all, at the Pro Bowl, he didn't seemed all too enthused to be a New England Patriot. The Patriots have replaced offensive linemen before (Joe Andruzzi, Damien Woody, etc.), so the Patriots can replace Mankins as well.
I'll be the first to say that I disagree with this popular sentiment. I think the Patriots would be wise to have Mankins around for next year and the foreseeable future. While the Patriots are very good at drafting and developing offensive linemen, some of who can come in and be key contributors/starters immediately (examples: Mankins, Matt Light, Nick Kaczur, Sebastian Vollmer), drafting is never an exact science. There are plenty of top picks that do not pan out. You can never guarantee a rookie to be a starter. I can also easily imagine a scenario where Stephen Neal retires and Matt Light departs via free agency. That would leave the Patriots with just Dan Koppen and Sebastian Vollmer as returning starters. That would leave you with a Nick Kaczur, Dan Connolly, Ryan Wendell and a slew of draft picks to fill the other three spots on the offensive line (and that's before injuries are even factored in!). Having to rely on two or three rookies and/or relatively inexperienced player (such as Wendell or Rich Ohrnberger) to play significant roles or perhaps start won't be good for the Patriots. I have even mentioned the fact that Dan Koppen is an unrestricted free agent after the 2011 season.
Tom Brady only has a finite number of years left in his prime. Putting him behind an offensive line in complete transition probably wouldn't be the smartest of ideas. Having Logan Mankins back will add to the continuity of that line, and allow time for more young players to develop. If the Patriots had a line of Light-Mankins-Koppen-Rookie (Wisniewski or Pouncey)-Vollmer that would be fine. Heck, even a Vollmer-Mankins-Koppen-Rookie-Kaczur line would probably be enough to get by. But if the Patriots are forced to go to a line of Vollmer-Connolly/Rookie-Koppen-Wendell/Rookie-Kaczur/Rookie is could make for some serious risky business.
Could the Patriots get by without Logan Mankins? Probably. But lets not forget there's a reason why this guy just got the franchise tag. There's a reason why he played in just nine games but was named a first team all-pro and Pro Bowl starter. Logan Mankins is an elite player who you can't just replace with any draft pick, no matter how good the team is at developing players.
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I say
if we can get another first rounder out of him do it. This team has plenty of quality depth now its time to get some superstars!
Spokane WA only 2,266 miles from Foxboro MA
This
While BB generally has a good track record, not every pick is a superstar pick. Drafting is a risky business. Considering that Mankins is a top 3 guard in the NFL, there is a very low likelihood that the Patriots get someone as good.
by Greg Knopping on Feb 15, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I love having him on the team
But that is a lot of money for a guard, especially one that maybe doesn´t want to be on the team. Maybe the best thing is to trade him.
BTW I drool about a line with Mankins and Pouncey as guards, I think we could run the hell out of teams
Um....if we are going to go that route?
Long list of guys who didn’t show up or ‘earn’ money in the playoffs last few years.
He’s a pretty tremendous difference on the line. I’d like him to stick around
Is he?
Rushing yards per attempt stayed basically the same (actually went down a negligible amount) after he came back. Brady’s pocket was pristine both before and after his arrival….until the playoff game. Hard to see characterize that as a “tremendous difference.”
actually I will say the offense was more dominant in the second half
but that can be just as much attributed to the defense playing better also
Unless
He’s going to start becoming a cancer in the locker room, I really want everyone to work things out for him to stay here long term. As you stated, no one’s guarantee. Whatever picks we may get from trading Mankins won’t be a sure thing…Logan Mankins on the other hand is a sure thing. And he not only has talent, he just has that nasty streak so many lack.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I am pulling the "anyone watch the Super Bowl" card here
Packers- offensive line not really good, quarterback fantastic, defense amazing
Steelers- offensive line not really good, quarterback good, defense amazing
So, Mankins becomes a 1st or a couple 2nds and whatever, the Patriots get an amazing defense, and then they are Super Bowl champions. Pretty simple stuff lol
Trade
Welker for a 2nd
Mankins for a 1st
Merriweather for a 3rd and 4th
Warren for a 3rd
Banta-Cain for 4th
Go into the draft with 3 1rsts, 3 2nds, 4 3rds, and 3 4ths
Trade into the top 5….. five times
Hello, Fairley, Bowers, Peterson, Green, and Dareus
by beantownboy171 on Feb 15, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
why trade Welker?
need comfortability on offense. Brady needs a repoire with his guys.
Just went with every single guy who's been brought up in trade talk this offseason
Some speculated he might be on the block because of the feet thing, which was silly, but so was my post above.
by beantownboy171 on Feb 15, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
well they could just get a solid defensive player
that replaces Meriweather with the Mankins pick.
and then get a Mankins replacement with the Meriweather pick.
I'm not too fussy about trading Welker. I've mentioned that weeks ago.
Let Edelman step up. And draft a real #1 WR.
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Packers- offensive line not really good, quarterback fantastic, defense amazing
Steelers- offensive line not really good, quarterback good, defense amazing
Different types of QB.
Roethlisberger’s a 6’6" tank. He, Eli and Flacco can stand up and deliver passes while getting smashed. Brady’s not one of those.
Rodgers is a scrambler, like Vick or Cassel. He extends plays with his feet. He also does get sacked a lot – 75 times or so in the last two seasons. That’s fine while he’s mid-20s, but not ideal if he’s mid-30s.
Pure pocket passers – Peyton, Brady, Brees – need a good O-line.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 15, 2011 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say Eli is one of those QBs
He’s like Cutler – he’ll throw it anyway, whether the receiver is open or not. Hence the high number of INTs. Rapistberger will check him off, and try and do something else with it – there’s probably not another QB in the league who does what he does.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 15, 2011 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I hesitated about putting him in there...
but then there was the throw on helmet-catch, which is really a play that shows why a Roethlisberger-like QB can survive without an O-line. Plus Ben’s a pretty good scrambler of his own accord.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 15, 2011 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
Side-note...
Eli threw 25 picks, fumbled 7 times (lost 5), and was only sacked 16 times. How does he have such bad ball security?!
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 15, 2011 4:55 AM EST up reply actions
He's just not that good.
He’s not the reason they won a super bowl.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 15, 2011 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
There is that...
but seriously – 7 fumbles from 16 sacks and 30 scrambles (which would include kneels). Wut?
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 15, 2011 4:59 AM EST up reply actions
Even going back to 07,
every time he got hit on the run, he fumbled. it’s like he has small hands, or something
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 15, 2011 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, his eyes seriously aren't even looking at the same area code
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 15, 2011 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
was just a stupid QB draft class in general
His shirt says this is a guy who makes smart decisions
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by insertscreenname on Feb 15, 2011 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
There's a Rivers-face site too
http://philipriversface.tumblr.com/
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by insertscreenname on Feb 15, 2011 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
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Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
This is also picking 3 out of many, many variables
Pittsburgh – dedicated running game, completely different offensive style
Packers – there’s nothing to say here other then Rodgers basically carried that offense team. he was making some tremendous throws throughout the playoffs.
Also – #‘s of sacks relates to play calling and the defense you are against. When you look at BBR vs the Jets and Brady vs the Jets, the Jets defense played an entirely different game -so it’s pretty hard to draw too many comparisions.
Its been reported by Bedard that this is a non-exclusive tag (from twitter)
Mankins’ tag, like one given Matt Cassel, was non-exclusive. He can negotiate with other teams, which could help in the event of a trade.
Jets fans- Supporting drunk driving since Braylon Edwards arrest.
The NFL is going to investigate the behavior of New York Jets players who reportedly made a female reporter feel "uncomfortable". She felt uncomfortable when they all put on Ben Roethlisberger jerseys.
where is his from?
hook a brotha up with a link
unfortunately there is no specific link but here is bedard's twitter
http://twitter.com/greg_a_bedard
it is the 7th or 8th tweet down
Jets fans- Supporting drunk driving since Braylon Edwards arrest.
The NFL is going to investigate the behavior of New York Jets players who reportedly made a female reporter feel "uncomfortable". She felt uncomfortable when they all put on Ben Roethlisberger jerseys.
Any negotiations would be
under the table.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
That would be until the CBA is done
After that, he’s a free agent, and can openly negotiate with other teams. Patriots just have the right to match any offer, or take the two seconds. A third more likely scenario involves Mankins, the Pats, and a third team negotiating, so that Mankins gets paid by someone else, who then gives the Pats picks that are less than 2 firsts but still good.
Id say trade him.
First off, I want to say that connely did a tremendous job in his place.
second, our team is all about being a contender for the playoffs, while planning for the future. Mankins is a great guard, but the way the pats are going, with all the draft picks and we have quite a few other FAs to sign(I believe), I would rather keep that money, and put connelly in his place. We’ll still have a very good OL, with more draft picks.
Now, I have said that the pats like to plan for the future as well. I like this as well; plan for the future, while being playoff contenders. This year, we have 2 first, 2 second, and 2 third.If we get:
a 2nd this year, and a 1st next year for mankins, wouldn’t that be of great value for the future? And Connely should do well in mankins spot, and we have plenty of draft picks to pick up OL and develop them. Even pick a couple up next year.
Thats the great thing. Even if we lose mankins, not only will we still be playoff contendors, but we also have the potential to pick up someone who can A) help our team more overall and/or B) Still pick up good OL for Brady.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
I disagree.
Light is old, Koppen is old and kinda sucks, Neal is old and injury prone. That only leaves Mankins and Vollmer. If we draft a LT or RT and a guard, you have 2 rookies on that line. That’s a scary prospect.
I say sign him to a 4-5 year deal.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
thats why
even when we draft the rookies, just find someone out there who can be good just in case they are not ready. There are a few Baltimore OL that are good(Gaither), and there are other OL in free agency that can be serviceable, if those rookies are not ready to start.
To solve the old problem, and the injury problem, get more younger guys. We’ll still make the playoffs most likely, with or without those rookies(because we’ll have serviceable guys there), and we’ll have plenty of young guys to build our future up at the same time.
And like I said, we lose mankins, put in connely. Koppen can be replaced by a serviceable guy, and kazcur might play RT agains next year, and we can find someone serviceable at RG. Thats so far just two spots that we can find serviceable guys for, and draft rookies for. And regarding rookies on that part, Im sure if we draft some in the first, second, or 3rd, we can have a starter within them.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
This cycle is getting crazy
Sometimes BB and Kraft go overboard IMO. You have a known commodity that is a top player at his position – that you got great money value out of for several years. He wants to be paid. He does not deserve top money but you should work something out to compensate for backpay.
Say you let him go and get high draft picks. Now you have to hope to get another great player that you can pin under a starter contract. And when that contract is up, you try your luck again? All while Brady is getting older and more injury prone – and IMO becoming more like Manning in the playoffs. Please don’t get upset but he dominates the regular season but then does not play at the same level in the playoffs lately. I know the defense had a hand but Brady looked like Sanchez, while Sanchez looked like Brady.
The Jets loaded up last year to make a SB run, which they almost pulled off. Meanwhile, the Pats recycled their defense and played games with Mankins. They also carried a stable of over the hill and one unproven RBs. It’s amazing they finished with the best record, but the only record that matters is 0-1. All the teams that made it further than them had great defenses and capable offenses. The Pats had an opportunistic, yet young defense and excellent offense. But that formula barely works to make it to and win a SuperBowl.
Build your SB team now when your HOF QB is still standing.
Brady's last three playoff games
Were against ELITE defenses, playing their best games of the season. Brady was hardly perfect, but played against much tougher opponents in those playoff games than he did the bulk of the regular season. He struggled, his line struggled, his receivers struggled. Those games were also against teams that had weaker offenses, so our defense looked good in comparison. But if we start loading up on O and then run into a team like the Colts in the playoffs and can’t stop anything (2006?) What happens then? We can’t build this team for specific opponents. We’re better than that. The 2010 Patriots would have beaten the Jets 7 or 8 times out of ten. That doesn’t mean it’s garaunteed. I think we just need to focus on building our team our way, and I like our chances against anyone.
the jets were playing the best games of their season? 0.o
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Certainly much better than the last time we played them
Defensively, they smothered our receivers in cloud coverage, dropping 8 back and rushing 3. It worked because our receivers weren’t able to make plays in tight windows, that 3 man rush was getting pressure against our 5 man line, and Brady was flustered and making some less than perfect throws. We also struggled to run the ball, giving Danny Woodhead a lot of carries, with which he was decently productive at times but useless at others. I think our offense is good enough to score a lot of points, most of the time. This was not one of those times.
Mind you, the Jets started out pretty weak, as we were able to move the ball on them pretty easily. But a couple misfires resulted in us scoring 3 points when we should have had 10-14. And then they got all lock-down on us and we couldn’t do much after that.
Unless your comment is pointing out my grammar. I was referring in the plural to our last three playoff games, the jets game was one of those.
Actually
I thought you meant that they were having their best season so far. lol Personally I think last year was when their defense was more successful, and thomas jones running it. XD
Didn’t know you meant they were playing their best GAME of the season. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
He's an offensive guard.
How much of an impact does he REALLY have on a game? He’s a great player; I’m not disputing that. What I’m disputing is the value of the impact he has on a game. If you can get 85% of the quality (or, as others proved in Mankins’ absence, nearly 100% of the quality) for a fraction of the money, you’ve got to go with the value. That allows you to use the leftover money to shore up positions that other teams ignore (depth, special teams, role players, etc.), ensuring that you remain competitive even in the event of injuries (which are inevitable). In today’s NFL, you can’t afford to pay $10M a year (or even $8M, IMO) to a player, however good, that plays a position that isn’t that important or “high impact” in the grander scheme.
Guards are very important in a game actually.
especially the run game.
But we also have connely. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
An Apologist since 2-12 times.
So i guess we’ve bought into the whole idea of players as stocks & futures. First of all B.B. i agree has alot of PLAYER evaluation input.As far as the MONEY issue…well lets just say that if you beleive Chung called that botched punt play against the Jets in the play-offs all by his lonesome,then i think your still suffering from the B.B. is GOD SYNDROME.Kraft makes the MONEY discissions. Me,i’m not cool with mortgaging the Pats future.The Pats have a S.B. caliber team in place right now.The fact that B.B. abandoned his offensive game plan before the 1st half ended.Falls solely on his shoulders. And i only bring this up because he continues to buy into his whole “i’m the smartest man in football” persona. He like Kraft rode the wave of a group of highly motivated veteran players last decade.While the Pats have gotten the most out of their personnel of the past,for the least.It’s time to pay these men that are proven players & stop the speculations.And don’t perpetuate the lie that the Patriots are competitive when it comes to salaries CUZ THEY AIN"T!
by Pat's apologist on Feb 15, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions
Chung did call the fake punt himself. He said so after the game, Mesko said so after the game, Kraft said so a few weeks later.
Competitive = top 5 money – see Warren’s extension, Wilfork’s the highest paid NT in a league where half the teams have them, Seymour got two new deals, Sanders got a great deal for what he is, Brady has the largest salary in the NFL (until manning was franchised), Moss got 3 years, 27 mil, SEE THE DEAL THEY OFFERED MANKINS LAST OFFSEASON.
If Jerry Jones wants to offer someone like Roy Williams (or Deion Branch) a deal vastly above what that player is actually worth, Belichick won’t compete with it, because you can find more of these above average players at above average money – you don’t need to pay superstar bucks unless the guy’s a superstar.
At this stage, I’d say Kraft just signs the cheques. If Bill says he’s worth this much, unless Kraft sees something bad for the Pats off the field with the guy (like a Cromartie or something), he okays the deal.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 15, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
went off the gameplan? Is this SERIOUSLY the main excuse for ANY team loosing to another?
Not gameplan. Execution. Thats why we lost. The jets executed more than we did.
Brady threw the INT, Chung botched the punt(and according to people, if he didnt he had a clear lane on the right), our OL was swiss cheese that game, Brady kept throwing to revis with VERY limited success. If our players executed like they are supposed to, than the game would likely be different.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
And don’t perpetuate the lie that the Patriots are competitive when it comes to salaries CUZ THEY AIN"T!
Who was on the top QB salary (until today)?
Who is the highest-paid NT in the league?
Which Guard was offered a top-3 Guard contract this offseason?
a – Brady
b – Wilfork
c – Mankins.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 15, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
COMPLACENCE NANCYS
Blah, blah blah!!! Do you really beleive that Chung called that play???The fact that B.B. let him be the scape goat just goes to show,we got some splaining to do! That play and that play alone set the stage for the rest of the game. B.B. is to blame for the last 3 play-off defeats.If you disagree then i guess he’s not responsible for the 3 super bowls.Kraft & B.B. should bow at Bradys feet when ever he walks in the room.He is the sole reason for the Pats success. Would any of you make the argument for Indys success for their management or coach? Shit no it’s Peyton and always will be. Stop drinking the B.B. kool-aid. Cuz he ain’t shit without Justin Beiber!!!
by Pat's apologist on Feb 16, 2011 2:59 AM EST reply actions
Blah, blah blah!!! Do you really beleive that Chung called that play???
Yes. Chung said so. Zoltan Mesko said so. Belichick said so. Kraft said so.
The fact that B.B. let him be the scape goat just goes to show,we got some splaining to do!
Wrong again. Belichick said:
“We just made a bad mistake,” Belichick said.
Not passing blame there.
Maybe you should settle down and do some research before you spout off theories? Just a thought.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 16, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
B.B. is to blame for the last 3 play-off defeats.If you disagree then i guess he’s not responsible for the 3 super bowls.Kraft & B.B. should bow at Bradys feet when ever he walks in the room.
A coaches job is GAMEPLANNING. But a good gameplan would not work, if the players do not execute. Get it? The players did not execute the last 3 playoff games. Was it BBs fault that meriweather took a bad angle when Ray Rice got that TD early? Was it BBs fault when Brady threw those INTs in the baltimore game, and when brady threw that one INT in the jets game? Was it BBs fault that the OL started to break down out of nowhere?
Um….. I dont think so.
BB sets the tools, but its up to the players to know how to use them. Is gameplanning important to a game? Of course, but if your players cannot execute than your gameplan will not work, so if he changed the gameplan anyways, do you fault him? Hell, I wouldn’t. The players could not execute, so dont blame it on BBs gameplans, but blame it on the EXECUTION.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
WOW! guess i'm just a BAD fan
14-2 season with home field advantage thru out the play-offs and cuz MESKO said so?lmfao You are the stuff Limbaugh fans are made of.Dude …….dude ……forget about it.
by Pat's apologist on Feb 16, 2011 3:33 AM EST reply actions
Uh...
Fake. Punt. You understand that Mesko is on the field 5 feet from where Chung was, right? IE – he’s right on the spot when Chung made the call, because the Long Snapper snaps it to Chung instead of Mesko.
Understand, now?
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 16, 2011 3:50 AM EST up reply actions
Forget it.
This guy and BP can get together and point out all Hoodie’s faults, because no-one else above Connecticut will.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 16, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
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