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Patriots Draft 2011: With the 33rd Pick...

Over at Mocking the Draft, our friends are hosting an NFL Mock Draft. Cameron O helped out and did a fantastic job. At #33 overall, Cameron and I were banking on players dropping. We decided to take our chances at #28 by letting the championship teams decide which of Cameron Heyward, Muhammad Wilkerson and Phil Taylor would be available at #33. I believe that those players are interchangeable in respect to "potential impact", although they all have extremely different styles of play.

Cameron Heyward - More of a one gap 3-4 DE, Heyward has the pedigree, but does he fit with the Patriots? Heyward can hold the point against double teams, but he won't be able to penetrate and push the pocket; he might even get pushed out of the play. He can bulk up, but he'd take a year or two before he would have the size to play the two gap 3-4 defense. At a low, Heyward would be like Jarvis Green and at a high, he would be like Richard Seymour.

Phil Taylor - Taylor has the size to play the two gap 3-4 DE position, as well as the NT position. However, he'll need to have his weight watched, just like Vince Wilfork. Taylor can push back double teams, he can stop the run, and he can play any spot on the 3-4 defensive line. However, he has character concerns and it's uncertain if he can continue to put everything together at the next level. At a low, Taylor would be like Brandon Deaderick and at a high, he would be like Haloti Ngata.

Muhammad Wilkerson - Wilkerson has the size to play the two gap 3-4 DE spot and could be a leading candidate. He can stop the run and he can rush the quarterback. However, he's not elite at either of those roles. He's probably the safest of the three picks, but he has the lowest ceiling. Consider him the "Derek Sherrod of defensive ends" in the draft. At a low, Wilkerson would be like Ron Brace and at a high, he would be like Ty Warren.

For me, the pick really came between Heyward and Taylor. Wilkerson is too similar to two other players on the roster to be given a look. (Un)fortunately, the Jets decided to snag Heyward at #30 overall, pretty much forcing the selection by the Patriots.

With the 33rd pick of the 2011 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select:

Phil Taylor, Defensive Lineman, Baylor

Read the analysis after the jump!

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The big man from Baylor! Let's do some analysis, shall we?

Point: He possesses NFL-ready size.

Counterpoint: He can get overweight. He'll need to monitor his size.

Point: He's a phenomenal run defender. He can spin of blockers while still focusing on the guy with the ball. He has tremendous lateral quickness to move across the line of scrimmage to help with tackles. Very few people run through him.

Counterpoint: He is untested at the five technique position. He may be able to thrive at the nose, but that doesn't necessarily translate to success at defensive end.

Point: He has the strength to push the pocket on passing downs, even while facing double teams. In fact, double teams are pretty much a requirement to stop him from getting into the backfield.

Counterpoint: He doesn't really do much when he's in the backfield. If he's engaged, he uses his strength to push back the pocket, but he doesn't have the quickness to gain fast momentum after breaking free from tacklers.

Point: It doesn't matter! If he can push the pocket against double teams, then that will allow the outside linebackers to make more plays. That's the Patriot way!

Counterpoint: That's true. But how long can he face constant double teams before he wears down? He needs to get in much better shape if he wants to stay on the field. He'll most likely need to be rotated until he improves his stamina.

Point: Yeah. I would like to say that even if he is tired, he'll still give a lot of effort. It won't be as effective, but he'll give 100% as long as he's on the field. That says something about the kind of player he is.

Counterpoint: So does the fact that he transferred/was kicked out of Penn State. He has some character concerns surrounding him. He also only had one great season at Baylor- what kind of player will the Patriots be getting?

Point: That's the risk that goes with all draft picks. I believe that Taylor has first round upside if he can continue to play at a high level.

Counterpoint: But what about the downside? What if he flops? He has the potential to just be another expensive rotational guy on the defensive line, filled with rotational guys.

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There's a lot to weigh when evaluating Taylor. He has some of the best upside and the most NFL-ready body in the ready. However, is he the type of person who can keep everything together? Or is he a risk to throw it all away? I believe that Taylor can be surrounded by the right type of leadership where he can thrive on the defense. He has the bulk to stop the run and can allow other players to perform at a higher level. Pair Wilfork with Taylor and that's four offensive linemen who are already occupied. The big concern with the Taylor draft pick is that it requires an elite outside linebacker with a dominating final step. If the Patriots get Taylor and keep their OLBs who can't finish the pass rush, then there will be a lot of pressure, but few sacks. It's still great, but it's not the best possible outcome.

I could understand the selection of Justin Houston if he's paired with Taylor because Taylor would allow Houston to just rush at the quarterback in a straight line. Houston struggles when he's engaged with a tackle, but if Taylor occupies the tackle and guard, then Houston could beat the tight end or running back block every time. Other players to consider are Vonnie Miller (yes, he'd be a good pair with Taylor), Robert Quinn, and Aldon Smith. Ryan Kerrigan isn't a good pairing with Taylor- he would go well with Cameron Heyward because their skill sets complement each other.

If I had to reevaluate the first three picks of the mock draft, I'd say the Patriots came out pretty well. Unfortunately, in the mock draft all the top OLBs are drafted before the 28th pick, and so are all the offensive tackles. The only OLB available at #17 is Houston and I don't believe he's worthy of such an early pick, even if he's paired with Taylor. As a result, I'd stick with me adjusted draft from my last post:

17. Anthony Castonzo

28. Phil Taylor

33. Mikel Leshoure

What do you think of the Taylor pick?

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Which defensive lineman would you prefer?
Adrian Clayborn
69 votes
Cameron Heyward
249 votes
Phil Taylor
87 votes
Muhammad Wilkerson
60 votes

465 votes | Poll has closed

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This a carry on from the MTD live draft?

I don’t love the Sherrod pick (Clayborn and Houston were still available, if we were desperate for an OLB), but given the weird, athlete-obsessed drafting styles from the early picks, I can see why you went there.
Smith at 28 should strengthen the coverage, and the bigger Taylor at 33 allows what pass-rush there will be (Cunningham aside) to just be that little bit more effective. Maybe it becomes effective enough. And we can still grab Brooks Reed in the 2nd/3rd (if it wasn’t for the SF guy overdrafting like crazy).

The picks were weird, though. Arizona taking Quinn (coming off a year off) over Bowers, who is mostly tipped to go #2 to Denver. No way Dallas picks an OLB over Amukamara. Shanahan won’t draft a DL like Watt, because he needs a QB – Newton will go here, because Gabbert went at 8. JAX taking Ayers over Bowers is also insane. So all the DEs and OLBs shuffle down the board.

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by insertscreenname on Feb 21, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Clayborn would be a DE because of his size...

…and I think Houston’s a reach at 17. As for the rest of the draft, I agree with you. It shook out in a weird way. I would have traded down from 17 if trades were allowed.

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston at 17 would fit for that draft. If we were desperate.

As for Clayborn, I’d expect him to slim down a bit for the combine. Athleticism does wonders for your final rankings.

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by insertscreenname on Feb 21, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for saying trades aren't allowed

cause I was sitting there wondering why you guys didn’t try and make trades lol

by pats4life on Feb 21, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade down question

I’m not sure if John Fox was the point man for Carolina during the 3rd for a 2nd swap last year. However, if he and Bill have history now and he’s looking to make an impact in Denver with 2 1st round picks, how about the 17 for Denver’s 37 and 47? The point value is a wash and there is a ton of value in the second round this year. Picking up the extra second might even give more confidence to make a swap on the 33rd pick toward 2012. Your thoughts?

by waldoon on Feb 21, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be an interesting trade...

…I could see the Patriots going for the 37, a 4th and a next year’s 2nd rounder. 37 and 47 just doesn’t sit well with me. I’d rather trade down in little bits as opposed to making one trade all the way out of the middle of the first. I’d rather trade to the late 20s, reevaluate, and then if need be, trade even further down.

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver doesn't pick in the 4th but I like the thought

What is the max value for pick 33? I’d think for a bottom 1/3 tier team it would be a 2012 1st and a 2011 4th, mid 1/3 a 1st and a 3rd and a top tier a 1st and a 2nd. I thought last year that the value of that pick would explode with the new format. This year with a trader like Bill in possession of it I think that could very well happen.

by waldoon on Feb 22, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't argue with the logic that leads to this pick

but I can hear the mediots howling if the Patriots don’t have a ‘pass rushing OLB stud’ by the third pick.

Nevermind that if you potentially have a backfield with Bodden, McCourty & Smith taking away a huge swath of the field and a meat stud like Taylor along with Vince able to cause wholesale line collapse, then that will make your existing OLBs look like ‘pass rushing studs’.

I agree with all the concerns about Taylor re: his weight and attitude. I think the latter is usually over-stated with most players though.

by mmmmm on Feb 21, 2011 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

In 2007, Vrabel looked like a "pass rushing stud". Thomas did, too.

Two things happened in 2008.

1) The offense (under Cassel) didn’t score as many points and the other team didn’t become one-dimensional.
2) The secondary was porous and receivers were open all over the place.

Same D-line. Same OLB’s. Huge drop off in pressures and sacks.

The front seven was not the problem, although they got blamed.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 21, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

plus

in 2009 Seymour, Vrabel, Bruschi, and Harrison were gone. Such a great way to start a season with your starting quarterback coming back from a torn ACL.

by pats4life on Feb 21, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

they had better pressure with troy brown at cornerback

you need pressure to make the corners look better, not the other way around. Also, the Pats have positions with specific needs. Wilfork is best at nose. Are we suggesting they go to a 4-3 with Taylor, because he is NOT a DE.

by U. S. Grant on Feb 21, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

…it goes both ways. Great corners can make average pass rushers look good (Patriots + Jets). Great pass rushers make average corners look good (Ravens + Steelers).

Of course, the best solution is to have great pass rushers and great corners (Packers).

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

^ This

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 21, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

our defensive unit is just not as talented or cohesive as the others mentioned

because it hasn’t had time to grow. add a stud defensive end or linebacker and kablamo, in a couple years it’ll all be doneso

by pats4life on Feb 21, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's hoping for "kablamo" all the way to the Lombardi.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

That said...

…they still haven’t established a great front 3.

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

True

Even then Ty Warren didn’t demand double teams. Seymour and Wilfork, yes.

Now just Wilfork. Imagine if we could have three that demanded that attention. A five man O-line would never be enough.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 21, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I want Phil Taylor...

…since he demands double teams. I still believe that Ron Brace can become that player who takes over for Ty Warren and demand double teams. That would be awesome.

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

double teams in college

we are just projecting that it will translate

by pats4life on Feb 21, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

But you have to be able to handle double teams in college...

…if you want to be able to handle double teams in the NFL. Sort of like QB completion rate: If you can’t complete passes in college, you certainly won’t complete them in the NFL.

by Richard Hill on Feb 22, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

That's very true.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Playing it forward...

just as the pressure (clock) makes the secondary better, I would argue the front 3 are the pistons. A DE that demands double teams makes the OLB’s better, but they need to be legit. The guys to fill this slot are more obvious in projecting than OLB’s, to everyone. Thats why for a large majority, and I’m not saying they are not out there, there are no surprise bigtime DE’s and they go early. If Watt is one of these guys, there might be 3 in this draft.

by U. S. Grant on Feb 21, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And that is one of the few things I could see us move UP in the draft for.

A stud DE or a stud OT (especially left side).

That’s about as sure a bet as there is in the NFL. All the other positions are too much of a gamble.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

also

add the fact that (I hate to say this cause I love Mike Vrabel) the Pats had Rosie on the other side. I’ve been watching some of the 07 games but I counted around 4 of Vrabel’s sacks that came against TE’s when Rosie was rushing.

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by NinjaZX6R on Feb 21, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think because the 2nd and 3rd are same day now we'll get the OLB during the day and quiet the masses

My preference is Sam Acho at 60 and a flyer (what’s the use of having alot of picks if you don’t gamble with one of them) at 74 on Greg Romeus.

by waldoon on Feb 21, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So when exactly were you thinking about getting a RB? If at all?

I ask because the 3rd round is rich with them. And if you are taking Greg at 74 (3rd round) when do you get a RB? I would’ve done Carter/Vereen/Thomas at 74 and Greg at 92.

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by PatNation85 on Feb 21, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I like a RB with 90 or beyond

There will be some good ones available late. I think Demarco Murray, Delone Carter, Evan Royster might all slip past the third round. Even a hard running small guy like Dion Lewis might be had in the 5-6th. Greg might fall but his former coach is the LB coach for Buffalo now and I don’t see him falling beyond pick 99 and he might go earlier.

by waldoon on Feb 22, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

nfl.com has up their top 5 corners and top 5 safeties

and the video link they have is Jimmy Smith. looks pretty good. that was a much better idea than I thought at first Rich

by pats4life on Feb 23, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

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