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1) The price to the Patriots for Spygate was pretty dear:  the 31st pick in the 2008 draft.  Sure they also had the 7th overall pick which they traded down to the 10th and grabbed Pro Bowl LB Jerod Mayo who has been a stud for three season's now.  The thing is their next draft pick at number 62 was CB Terrence Wheatley, who was constantly injured and is no longer a Patriot.  Still on the board at number 31 (and taken at number 35) was CB Brandon Flowers who has recorded 198 tackles (175 solo), 50 passes defended, 9 interceptions (2 for TD) since that draft.  Especially in 2008, a CB, ANY CB, that could play the game would have been welcome.  We've only just started to recover at that position. 

2) The question has been asked lately, "What position would you draft at number 17?"  In all reality, the Patriots have holes, but none so large that they have to draft for need.  Obviously, some positions are thinner than others.  Do we take a quarterback at 17?  No, we pretty much have that covered.  Later rounds?  Sure.  I'm a big fan of a certain sixth round quarterback. 

Some positions don't have enough value.  Special teams?  Fullback?  Nope and nope.  Others are unlikely as well:  Tight End?  We'll need a blocker to replace Alge Crumpler eventually, but one dimensional TE's can be had in the later rounds.  Likewise a guard had better be elite and have center training to be picked that high.  Mankins was number 32.

What does that leave that has both need and value?  OLB (Willie McGinest was picked #4), DE (Richard Seymour was picked #6 - as a DT), OT (Jake Long was picked #1), possibly C (Maurkice Pouncey was picked #18), possibly CB (Darrelle Revis was picked #14), possibly WR, and very unlikely RB.  The number 17 pick, provided we keep it, will be BPA (best player available) at one of those spots.

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3) With few exceptions, most player contracts line up with the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) date in March.  This year, March 5 would normally be the start of free agency, but if no CBA is in place, contracts can't be done.  That won't stop the draft from proceeding, however.  Draftees, though, can't be signed to contracts either until the CBA is signed. 

Normally there is a period of free agency, the draft, and then more free agency, including undrafted free agents (UFA's).  That means teams can look to fill openings with veterans first, then the draft, and finally flesh out the camp roster with whatever bodies are available.  This year that schedule may be changed.

It is entirely possible, even probable, that the draft will happen first and teams will look at rookies first to bolster their roster.  That prospect makes free agency interesting this year.  Top end free agents will be out there with all of the normal warm bodies available after the draft.  The potential exists both for larger free agent contracts or real FA bargains once the CBA is done.  If anything, it'll make the late pre-season more interesting. 

4) Teams continue to follow the Patriots example and Franchise Tag their best free agents.  The Tag, though, is only in effect until the current CBA ends.  The union hasn't complained much about the tags, so it's likely they'll go along with them in the new CBA (possibly in exchange for other concessions).  If, however, the franchise tags are no longer available under the new CBA, the free agent market will be booming.  If the tags do eventually go away, I'd expect that they will still be allowed THIS year and would be phased out next year.  I can't see dropping them as a good thing for player salaries at this late stage.

5) The lack of football is also going to affect sponsors who very likely will start looking at alternative ways to spend their advertising dollars.  They still need to get their name out there, and without football games, other avenues and sports will be explored.  The same place you, the fans, spend your non-NFL time is the place they will invest their advertising dollars.  Once those dollars are spent, the NFL will not be drawing them back this year.  If sales for those sponsors remain steady or even pick up, the NFL may never see those advertising dollars again.  The thought of that, I feel, is making some owners nervous - especially an advertising savvy owner like Robert Kraft.

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Would Brandon Flowers be a Patriot if it wasn't for Spygate?
Yes.
61 votes
No.
45 votes
Hard to say.
165 votes

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I dislike bringing up Spygate lol

but nobody knows what that pick would’ve been. HOWEVER, it virtually was the loss of a Super Bowl MVP (Deion Branch). $750000 and a Super Bowl MVP for misplaced cameras? Goodell is the single most hated person in sports for me because of that

by pats4life on Feb 24, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

I dislike it, too.

The reason I did, though, is that some people think the Patriots got off too easily. Ok, coach and team fined, and the loss of a pick, but they felt BB should have been suspended some games or forced out of the league.

In light of what we know about other coaches practices, you don’t want to go there. If they force BB out of the league, the lid is going to come off of the whole thing. He didn’t just start doing that on his own, despite what Parcells says through his forked tongue.

My point was to show that we could have had a first rate corner in 2008 (Flowers, the Wonder twins and Deltha O’neal – ok, that doesn’t improve much), 2009 (Flowers and Bodden with Butler at nickel), 2010(McCourty and Flowers with Butler at nickel), and 2011 (McCourty, Flowers, and Bodden). I think our post-season results would have been better with some secondary help. Right now, many consider Flowers the best defensive player on the Chiefs. I think he could have at least helped us out.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 24, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

its hard to say what our post season results would have been.

remember, OL was not doing well, and Brady was not Brady like(throwing towards revis, not taking what the defense gave him, which are the underneath passes). We already had the best turnover-driven secondary(or at least top 3), but we could just not get pressure either, and even mccourty got beat a couple times in that game.

Its just hard to see what would have happened. As a raider fan, I have done this many times, but they are improving, and I am happy. The same can be said of the pats. They are young, and improving, and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds that will benefit us next year(with football hopefully).

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

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by Jack'sAxe on Feb 24, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying

But some (the Joey Porter contingent) will never be satisfied, no matter what you say or how anyone tries to quantify what the team had to forfeit because of ‘spygate’. [Pats lost a first round pick??? Porter thinks it cost him a Super Bowl ring – forgetting the fact that his old team, the Steelers, still has a difficult time against Tom Brady and Bill Belichick post-spygate.]

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 24, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Joseph Eugene Porter (his real middle name) has never had problems talking

and talking and talking….

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 24, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

and he sucks donkey doo

at WR….

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Feb 24, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't really need to add "at WR...."

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 24, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably too many variables...

…to say for sure whether Flowers would have been a Patriot and New England not lost that draft pick. Another first rounder on the roster causes a significant impact on salary distribution, and there were a couple of capped years in between his draft year and now. Had the pick still been on the board, it wouldn’t have surprised me at all if it had been involved in some kind of deal for more picks later. On the other hand, if Flowers is on the team, there’s probably more than just one different name on the roster today due to the aforementioned salary impact.

by jctsai12 on Feb 26, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats used two draft picks (and thus two draft picks worth of salary) on CB that year

2nd rounder Wheatley and 4th rounder Wilhite. I wouldn’t have been surprised if they’d moved after Flowers or Tracy Porter in that draft, especially since they would’ve been looking for an immediate starter with the Asante Samuel business going on.

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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 27, 2011 5:26 AM EST up reply actions  

At no.17 we're going to draft

somebody who’s going to walk onto the team and already be elite at their position. It’s hard to say what position that will be, but Belichick is likely to make a safe pick with lots of upside and proven ability.

Unfortunately, I kind of doubt that’s going to be a pass rusher, as that position requires a transition when advancing to the NFL. My gut tells me OT, but I’m holding out for a beast DL.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Feb 24, 2011 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

Certainly,

the team should not have been punished for the poor judgment of the coach. If as Goodell says, “no competitive advantage was gained”, from the illegal practice only the individual perpetrating the infraction should have been sanctioned. Penalizing the team for an individual’s actions in this light makes no sense whatsoever.

Critical draft coming up.

by BabeParilli on Feb 25, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

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