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Wednesday Wondering - Is the Window Closing?

Some may argue that the Patriots have the greatest quarterback of all time.  I'm not going to start that debate again, but I will say that we currently have the greatest quarterback this franchise has every seen.  The question, then becomes do we need to strike while the iron's hot and do every thing we can to win the Super Bowl right now, while Brady is still in his prime?  Is there, as everyone was reporting at the beginning of the 2010 season, a window that is closing on the Patriots?

The answer may seem simple, and some people will reply with a resounding, "Yes".  To them, Tom Brady is the single most important piece of the Super Bowl puzzle.  As long as we have Brady we have a shot.  It's hard to argue that isn't true, but in Brady's early career (when he was winning Super Bowls), the running game and the defense were more dominant.  The passing game featured short passes to no name receivers.  Was Tom the final piece to the puzzle we were missing?  Could we have won without him?

Starting in 2007, the Pats have tried to fill in the missing pieces.  The perceived problem in 2006 was the lack of a quality receiving corps.  Enter Moss, Stallworth, and Welker, and the highest scoring offense the league has ever seen, which was stopped one game short in its struggle for perfection.   The most important game of all.  We were just one or two defensive plays away from perfection, right?  Or was it a lack of offense that stopped us short? 

The offense, through tremendous pressure on the line, turned into the Brady - Welker show, with little input from Moss, Gaffney, Stallworth or the running game.   The offense, which had scored 38 points in Week 17, put up an impotent 14 points.  A drop of 24 points in output.  The defense, which had given up 35 points to the Giants in Week 17, allowed only 17 points.  An 18 point improvement.  Was the defense really to blame for not improving more than the offense let off?

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Of course, we lost Tom in 2008, and through a weak schedule Matt Cassel looked more than serviceable.  He looked like a stud in his own right.  In fact, he threw back to back 400+ yard games (against the Jets and the Dolphins).  Brady has only cleared the 400 yard mark once.  The perceived problem in 2008 was a lack of secondary, despite drafting CBs Wheatley and Wilhite that year.  The front seven, which went unchanged from the year before, was unable to pressure opposing quarterbacks.   The end result was an 11-5 record and a disappointing absence from the playoffs.

In 2009, we added Darius Butler and Patrick Chung to bolster the secondary, but lost Rodney Harrison to retirement.  Bruschi retired, Vrabel and Seymour were traded, and the defense suddenly became younger.  Tom struggled to regain his command of the offense, which many of us felt would be even better than the 2007 version, and in fact, Tom had his second best season (to that point) statistically.  The season ended 10-6 with the division title, and a one and done in the post season as the defense fell apart.  Hidden was the fact that the offense could no longer score at will.

In 2010, We picked up Devin McCourty to further help the secondary as Shawn Springs was shown the door.    Four more draft picks were added to the defensive side of the field.  In addition, we added two Tight End targets in Gronkowski and Hernandez.  The result was the single most efficient offense the league has ever seen.  In the end, though, even with a 14-2 regular season including victories over most of the post-season teams, the Patriots were once again one and done.

It's interesting that as we've featured the passing game more, we arguably done worse in the post season.  Looking more like our rivals in  Indianapolis, maybe.  It's easy to say that giving Tom one more target or one blocker will make the difference.  You can point to an aging line.  You can point to the lack of a downfield threat.  What you can't do, though is point to something that can't be defended.  The single hardest thing to defend is the threat of everything, and at the biggest moments we lose that threat.  We either can't or won't run the ball.

The defense could still improve.  I won't argue that point.  I will argue, though, that the defense is NOT the only problem.  Sure we can bolster the line a bit, and add a pass rusher here or there, but that won't stop the offense from faltering in the playoffs.  What we need, in my opinion, more than anything is to take the ball out of Brady's hands more and run the ball on our terms.  That was one of the keys to winning the Super Bowls the first time around, and that is what is missing in the post-season now.

Does that mean we should drop everything and draft a stud running back?  No.  I'd say the line is far more important to the run.  We need some guys that can dominate, and we need guys that can stay healthy.  We also need guys that can keep Brady upright in the most important games.  Tom has shown that he isn't the same "Iron Brady" if he gets hit in a game.  Injuries can do that to a guy: torn ACL, broken ribs, and a foot injury add up over time.  Self-preservation kicks in.  Getting the ball out of his hands should also help the alleviate the pressure on him in games.

Is the window closing on our Super Bowl hopes?  Yes, it is as long as we are relying solely on Tom Terrific to get us there.  We've returned to the open receiver concept.  We've returned to using tight ends.  We also need to return to using a running game to remove pressure from our quarterback.  That's how we got there in the first place, and that's how we'll get there again.  Should we go all in to get there?  I'll leave that for you to decide.

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Yes. No price is too high for success right now.
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No. The policy of drafting for the future is still working.
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At some point the "future" needs to arrive

Otherwise all you’ve done is put off winning indefinitely. We also can’t keep adding 9 or 10 new players every season, or the roster will never mature. Not saying we should sell everything to win it all this season, but there is a point at which you aren’t gaining anything by investing in the future since, by ignoring the present, you’re simply treading water.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

The problem has been execution and not making the plays when needed

it was never talent. it was never a change of focus. our team stopped making the plays that made them champions and that is why they lost. when they had chances, they blew them, with specific players being to blame a lot of the time as well.

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Ehhhh.

There was a paucity of talent on both the 08 and 09 squads. The 2010 squad was talented, but very inexperienced (and missing key cogs Bodden and Warren on the defense). I would blame execution problems for 2010, but not for 08 and 09 – those teams just weren’t good enough.

by nbradley07 on Mar 2, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It was execution issues in the playoffs.

The regular season…well, no one was better than 14-2. But you HAVE to execute in the playoffs or its all meaningless.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 2, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem is

we still rely on tom too much. The two jets losses were prob his worst games of the year (plus baltimore). But they were still better than the average quarterback’s average game. With experience the team will grow, but with age brady will slowly decrease. I would not mind the team bringing in one other cornerstone on O to take some of the pressure off brady, someone who could carry an O for a half, because right now we don’t have that player.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't just Brady, though.

even though he had a huge role in the loss (by making bad reads, missing receivers, and throwing one of the most horrible INTs of his career). The defense gave up 4 touchdowns, and just didn’t hold up over the full 60 minutes. When you let Mark Sanchez throw 3 touchdowns against you, it’s safe to say you won’t be moving on if you can’t match him blow-for-blow. And we didn’t match him (ugh).

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 2, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What I'm saying though is that if Brady has a bad game

we’re screwed Our D had bad games before that and we still won. I’m talking about overall offensive performance. The fact is that our record can be completely linked to Brady. Brady had a superb year with only a couple bumps. The New England Patriots had a superb year, with only a couple bumps. Brady as of right now is still the team, and while we probably would go 9-7 with Hoyer, Brady is the main thing keeping the team in that elite status. I want (like a Moss in ‘07 or ’08) a player who can simply make it so that a team doesn’t feel like it has won when they have stopped Brady. Our D is maturing and improving, but I still don’t see it being able to carry our O for a year or two when Brady has a so-so game. It seemed like when Brady had anything less than a spectacular performance, we were doomed (except the Ravens game.)

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George Carlin

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

the defense was young as heck though man

that is why the drafting and focus has been so much on defense lately. I don’t expect that to change. I think after 2006 when they lost people mistakenly (myself included) thought receiver was the problem. In reality, our offense put up 27 points in the AFC Championship game and our defense allowed 38 (althought it did score a touchdown of its own). Brady can play ball with any receivers and that was why he was the missing piece to our organization. Now our team is built around him when the truth is he doesn’t need a good supporting cast to be amazing, he needs a defense to be their when he isn’t.

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes but you are relying on Brady having an awesome game every game

I said the defense will improve, but I don’t see it being able to carry the offense for 2-3 years. Especially if we lose bodden again, and then have the rotating cb’s of butler, arrington and wilhite against a guy like braylon edwards. But we already have the talent on D, not the experience. On O we need more talent, because otherwise as you stated, the entire offense revolves around Brady, which as Manning and the Colts showed, is not the way to win a Super Bowl. If Manning ever had a bad game (which for an average quarterback might still be considered good), the Colts lost. We are becoming the same way, having the entire offense dependent on Brady, which is not healthy for an O.

The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.

George Carlin

History will absolve me.

Fidel Castro

by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true about Manning. I'm with the "build the defense" side of the argument.

The Colts from 2003-2009 were amazing, winning 12+ games each year. Excluding the injury-marred 2008 season, the two seasons that the Colts reached the Super Bowl were the two seasons that tehy scored their fewest points.

The Colts have showed that they need to be able to overcome bad Manning games. Especially in 2006, where Manning wasn’t great against the Chiefs and Ravens, especially the Ravens.

Both of our teams are really becoming the same way. We have slightly different questions with our defenses. For us, it is “Will we ever stay healthy?”. For the Pats, its “Will the grow up quick enough.” Same story. Defense wins championships. I’ve always thought that.

Your offense revolves around Brady, our revolves around Manning. But that said, both teams need to build the defense, especially since both QBs can win with less-than amazing talent on offense.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

this is what I said

“the truth is he doesn’t need a good supporting cast to be amazing, he needs a defense to be their when he isn’t.”
I am NOT relying on him being amazing every game. I am saying that he can have amazing games a lot regardless of who is on his offense. When he doesn’t have great games he needs the other unit (the defense) to make up the difference. Ever since they lost in 2005 the defense hasn’t been able to make the plays when needed. Just cause they gave up 17 points to the Giants in 2007 doesn’t mean they did a good job. They made Eli Manning look like Kurt Warner circa the Patriots win over the Rams, It was done in the exact same fashion, when the other team scored 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter after being held to just 3

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and what I'm saying is that

the D isn’t going to be able to carry the O for two to three years. We have extreme liabilities if Wilfork, McCourty or Mayo ever get injured. Our O can be completely shut down right now if Brady has a bad game (week 2 jets) what I’m saying is get a guy who can alleviate some of that pressure so that our O is completely dependent on Brady to have a good game. Our D for the next few years is not gonna be a pittsburgh D, it will be improving and a good D, but not one that in the playoffs you can go in saying that "If the D plays well, I trust it to win the game even if the O has an off day. We will add in the draft to D, but I want an FA for O.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

week 2 Jets was with Randy Moss

playoff game was becuase of a lack of execution, not cause they couldn’t handle the other team’s defensive schemes. drops and stupid interceptions are on the offense just being dumb

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

How about the last three quarters, where no one could get open

on the 3rd and 13 play, Brady had 9 seconds before he finally threw the ball to a double covered Woodhead?

I realize that this was one of the best performances by a secondary, but if I were to take Cameron O’s point of view, what happened in the last three quarters shouldn’t be able to happen to a team that had scored 30+ points for 8 straight games.

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by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

well it sure is nice to have such a small sample size isn't it?

they scored 21 points. Crumpler dropped a touchdown. Branch dropped a 4th and 13. Chung botched a 4th and 2. Just crazy to blame that on the offense as much as just execution. The 8 plus games of 30+ points is a testament to the offenses competence.

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's using the small sample size?

I responded to your post saying that the playoff loss was because of drops and stupid interceptions. That’s a really simple way to put it,

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

and it was

but to say that was because they lacked the correct personnell is incorrect

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well their personell did not do much in the last three quarters

for all the talk of them outplaying hte Jets, which they did, in the first quarter, they were massively outplayed in the last three quarters.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

when did I say they outplayed them?

I said they lost because of execution, or failing at pivotal times by their own doings.

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You basically said they lost because of drops and a stupid interception

I think they just got outplayed by a Jets team that played better on that day. The Jets won the game more than the Pats lost it.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm

the Jets only played better because the Patriots didn’t execute. hmm, not executing made the Patriots the worse team. it is circular logic. the Patriots were the better team overall, but they came out and played poorly and lost.

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I suspect the Jets would've crumbled (again) if they'd scored TDs on either of their first two drives...

In that first quarter the Jets looked completely aimless, even after Brady threw that brainless pick. After they survived the Pats marching downfield twice for only 3 points, they were full of confidence. That Jets roster is nothing if not a bunch of mercurial confidence-dependent headcases – LdT, Cromartie, Sanchez, Ellis, etc. If the Pats were up 14 points in the first quarter, game over. The Jets didn’t have the fortitude to come back from being stomped in the first quarter.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 3, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The 4 worst games of this year

the 2 jets games, the ravens game and the browns game were all the O’s worst performances of the year. All 4 were when Brady was making either bad decisions or missing his targets. Two of those teams are now perennial playoff teams while the other was a very good team that game. When Brady is off, I don’t want the entire O to be off. Brady had an amazing streak, but you can’t expect him to perform at the level every game. Those 8 games might have been the best streak ever by a QB. You don’t think that Brady might fall down a little from last year’s performance? Best D’s we played were the packers, steelers, Jets and Ravens. Steelers we wrecked. Packers we barely beat, and that was with a Connoly return and flynn as QB. Jets we lost 2 of 3, and the Ravens we barely squeaked out. Those are the teams you are gonna play in the postseason. Not detroit, minnesota, buffalo, miami, cleveland. And I forgot the Chargers game, which was inches from OT. Our O only goes as far as Brady takes it, and if Brady has a so-so game, we have a so-so offense, which is not good for a playoff team.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t think that Brady might fall down a little from last year’s performance? Best D’s we played were the packers, steelers, Jets and Ravens. Steelers we wrecked.

Logical error. Brady doesn’t ‘wreck’ the Steelers without a good-enough backup cast; that alone suggests adding to the O isn’t necessary.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 3, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Lack of execution from Brady

in both the Jets losses. It doesn’t matter that week 2 was with Moss, Brady is the one who made the wrong choices, not Moss. Brady needs at least one other weapon (does not need to be a moss, more like a holmes or a jackson) that the D has to respect. Your O relies on Brady having a great game on O to win, or our D having a great game. In the postseason, you need to have more than 2 ways to win a football game.

The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.

George Carlin

History will absolve me.

Fidel Castro

by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hondo could be that weapon.

After Gronk got on the field, Hernandez was hurt. Both these guys healthy, with a year under their belt, on the field together with Price, should be enough. Keep building the defense. Thats when you win. Hard to ask for more turnovers, just more punts.

by U. S. Grant on Mar 2, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Herndo is not the type of deep threat that forces safeties back

My main question is actually starting to be our running game. In the Jets game, with how many people they put in coverage, we should have been able to run better IMO.

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Fidel Castro

by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Did you not watch the Pats games from week 3 onwards, or the Pats in 2001, 2003 or 2004?

Deep threat? Wut?

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 3, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

But the offense was all but unstoppable.

Defense has nothing to do with this.

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by insertscreenname on Mar 3, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

What AFCCG are you referring to?

If it was against the Colts in ’06 the score was actually 38-34.

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by PatNation85 on Mar 2, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.
Is the window closing on our Super Bowl hopes? Yes, it is as long as we are relying solely on Tom Terrific to get us there.

There has been so much talk about Brady’s window, surrounding Brady with more weapons, getting Brady better protection, finding Brady a route to Foxboro that doesn’t run through the ghetto of Boston where nobody on the road actually has a drivers’ license. But if we look at all the Super Bowl runs they made (and we can throw in the one the Colts won in ‘06, for good comparison), we’ll see that the defense and the running game have been far more important to their success. It’s no secret: in the playoffs, you’re going to play good defenses. Inevitably, some of these defenses will shut down your offense, even if it’s the best offense in history (see: 98 Vikings, 01 Rams, 07 Patriots).

In my opinion, defensive performance is inherently more stable and predictable than offensive performance. A great defense is never going to play that poorly against a good offense, but a great offense can look like crap against a good defense. This is why I think it makes sense to make your defense your “rock,” and have an offense that complements it; not vice versa. I think this has always been Belichick’s general theory, but he got away from it in during an experimental scorched earth offensive strategy approach. Now that all that fell apart and ultimately failed to produce rings, he’s going back to building 2003-4 style teams – stalwart defense, clutch offense.

by nbradley07 on Mar 2, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

About the running game...

…in 2003 Pats won the Super Bowl with the second worst running game by any SB winning team.

by frogfromthemud on Mar 2, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

but,

and I don’t have the numbers here, maybe they simply ran the ball more. 25 times a game rather than 15, for example.

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by insertscreenname on Mar 2, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

both in 2001 and 2003 Pats had 29.6 runs per game, in 2010 they had 28.4. So no.

And if you want to see how this was compared to pass attemps: in 2001 30.1, in 2003 33.6 in 2010 31.7.

And while the Patriots has the image of a pass heavy team: they had the 10th most run attemps, and only 20th in pass attemps.

People mostly throw out things based on impressions. Brady uses his pass attemps so effectivly, people think he throws more.

by frogfromthemud on Mar 3, 2011 3:45 AM EST up reply actions  

And I give you the Colts numbers this year to give another perspective

runs 24.6/game
passes 42.4/game

Other words: the Patriots were as balanced as it gets in this era of the NFL.

And if you want to see the most “off balanced” year by the Brady led Pats: in 2007 they had 36.6 pass/game, but even in that year they had 28.2 rushes

by frogfromthemud on Mar 3, 2011 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

more OL, and one more RB should be fine. We are set at WRs imo. Hell, taylor Price may step up this year.

We need balance, but we mostly need, is to not be full of ourselves. Brady kept throwing to revis. I dont understand why he would do that, it was not smart. We need to play SMARTER, and execute better. I think we’ll be more lethal next year, and I hope the CBA gets arranged tomorrow.

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by Jack'sAxe on Mar 2, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

he threw at Deion Branch

Revis was just there a lot. It also showed how Brady’s confidence in throwing at Welker was a lot less. He was going to Branch over Welker cause Welker had dropsies last year. Anyone think Welker can come back next year and pull off what Brady did this year only as a receiver?

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Welker was doubled a lot

Branch was getting solo’d.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Or welker was covered by Revis

either way, no throw to Welker.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

At least for the Jets game, it was more the defense.

They were stuffing Welker’s normal routes with multiple LBs and DBs, mudding the middle of the field. The Saints did some similar things in the 2009 game. Branch was singled.

I don’t know what happened in the regular season. Welker definitely seemed off in the beginning of the year, but at least to me it seemed that he got better by the end.

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by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well coming back from a torn ACL

probably gave him the jitters, and wasn’t able to focus on making the catch as much.

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George Carlin

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

nah. he played 16 games before that. the jitters should have been gone.

If I were to pick a major cause of the loss, i guess I wouldnt say brady throwing to revis, but the fact that our OL was swiss cheese.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Mar 2, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

My comment was about the regular season.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't he have the flu, or something?

I think that was the problem vs Buffalo, and he sat the Miami game out, so maybe he was rusty.

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by insertscreenname on Mar 2, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

and or o-line gave Brady

5-7 seconds on most throws.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I went back and counted. On 3 of the 5 sacks, Brady had at least 4 seconds, which is a lot for a QB

He had 6-7 on the Pouha sack. He had around 4 on the Pace sack.

He also had a lot of time on incompletes. The only time he had no chance was the sack by Coleman off the edge, which was just a missed block, not a bad block.

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by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I remember that. 0.o

In that case,, brady was just being… well stupid i suppose. Maybe he was looking for the deep throw? __

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Mar 2, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I'm saying

we could all tell Brady wasn’t having a great game, but no one on the O was able to pick up some extra weight and try to give Brady an easy option.

The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.

George Carlin

History will absolve me.

Fidel Castro

by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

My point

either Brady was making right reads (need less pressure on him) or the WR’s weren’t getting open (need a new weapon/scheme) either way, I think we need a WR who can stretch the field.

The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.

George Carlin

History will absolve me.

Fidel Castro

by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

There were a couple times I saw receivers open, but I think it was more just amazing coverage

and the receivers not getting open. They ran a lot of quick outs. A lot of short crosses.

It was just a weird game, and the Jets just seemed to know all the keys to the Pats routes.

Jaws I know said Brady missed a lot of reads and had open players and just missed them.

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by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This!

I saw players open all the time, and Brady chose to throw it deeper, or underneath.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

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by Jack'sAxe on Mar 2, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

So, we saw a team get to Brady after 4 seconds.

And you want a guy who forces Brady to stand in the pocket, and then launch it 50 yards?
I’d take Fitz, not because he stretches the field, but because you can throw the ball to him 5 yards downfield, 10 yards downfield, 30 yards downfield, because he can run the routes.

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by insertscreenname on Mar 2, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Most of the time it was after 4 secs

and yes, fitz would work quite well.

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fitz would work quite well for most teams.

I think we would all love a Larry Fitzgerald.

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by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That is exactly the type of receiver I'm looking for as a "downfield threat"

a guy that will run all the routes in between. Toughest kind of receiver to stop is one that isn’t a one trick pony.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 3, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

In this years playoff game

The Jets did a good defensive job in the secondary but, I think their front 7 was the deciding factor. After the first quarter Brady got hit, rushed, too much and it got to him and effected his game. He was not himself because of that. Their were several and I mean several time when he had recievers open and did not see them, something he rarely ever does. Why? The Jets front 7…….Brady started dancing in the pocket.
   That being said, with Light retiring, we need to address the O line, and we need a stud running back, but without a strong defense that can change a game, and I am not talking about playing with a lead, I am talking about turning the ball over, forcing the other team to go 3 and out, be strong on third down defense. An imposing defense is a must come playoff time, especially when you have a very effective offense. See Green Bay this year, and us during our three Super Bowls. Just sayin

by FloridaPatsFan on Mar 3, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Revis was just there a lot

revis was covering branch, because cro cannot cover him. Wekler was being doubled by cro and a safety( i think).

He kept throwing in revis’s “general direction” if you want me to put it that way. Regardless, he did not throw it away from revis.

He was going to Branch over Welker cause Welker had dropsies last year.

I think he wanted to show revis who’s boss. He tried doing that to revis in week two with moss. And last year welker was not in the playoffs.

I think welker would still be amazing next year, but Im beginning to think that we’ll need edelman to step up soon(whether its next year, or the year after).

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by Jack'sAxe on Mar 2, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

edelman has been reliable

wes has better moves to get open, but edelman has proven to be good when given the opportunity. he just hasn’t seen many opportunities other than the occasional punt return or short screen.

by sn0wblind on Mar 2, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

the opportunities he was given at WR

he did not perform THAT well. he was alright.

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by Jack'sAxe on Mar 2, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saw on PFT that Stephen Neal is retiring?

Is this a big blow? Can’t remember if he was a starter or healthy this past year or not.

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by dmstorm22 on Mar 2, 2011 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

he was injured last year

but we were all hoping that he might play out his final year

by pats4life on Mar 2, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He won 3 Super Bowls with the Pats

And only suited up for one of them, he was constantly injured

by FloridaPatsFan on Mar 3, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah I knew that

but he asked if Neal was injured this past year

by pats4life on Mar 3, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Not surprising

considering he only played in 8 games in ’10. Neal was a good player when healthy and he will be missed. The O-line is going to see a lot of changes this year.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Mar 2, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Injured a lot but good vet leadership

As of right now we have mankins and connoly, but this guarantee’s we’ll be drafting an OG or going to free agency (once the CBA situation has concluded)

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by Cameron O on Mar 2, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Future/Now

The Pats were 14-2 and very young on defense. The draft will bring 3 new OL’s probably 2 high choices for now and the future. If Brady stays 5 more years being a playoff contender or division champ is almost certain in at least 4 years. Winning the Super Bowl can never be anticipated [too many good teams; too many injuries; too many bad calls/breaks]. Find a pass rusher, 2 OL’s, an RB and hope for WR improvement is the key to now and future. Although it is unlikely and fellow bloggers hate it; I hope we pick Jake Locker at 28 if he lasts.

by WRMaurer on Mar 2, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

We completely see eye to eye

On the draft, I’d say OLB,2 OL’s, a RB and pick up a WR in free agency and we should be favorites to win it all.

by jaycamxxx on Mar 5, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't vote,

as neither choice reflects my opinion. I think we should do whatever it takes to assure this D is very solid, and address the o-line at least a bit. So I would say the window is closing and when it does many people who take things for granted will get a large wake up call. I would go “mostly in” depending on who is available at what cost, in the short term.

Critical draft coming up.

by BabeParilli on Mar 3, 2011 2:53 AM EST reply actions  

Unique conditions make draft choices more valuable; free agents less so

Assuming no CBA by April 28. Free agents can not be signed. Players can not be traded. Draft choices can be used but not signed. Teams will not know if free agents [Mankins, S.Rice etc.] will be on their team. Teams will not be able to trade for QB [McNabb, Kolb] and can not count on them being available for training camp. There may be player to be named later deals [which also may not be allowed]. Signing draft choices will be postponed. Having a drafted player will at least allow you to know he will be on your team. At 14-2 choices 28, 60 and 92 as could be viewed as bonuses with enhanced value. With union decertification draft choices will be even more valuable as the mess will be bigger.

by WRMaurer on Mar 3, 2011 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

You ask one question...

Is the Patriots’ SB window closing? But then spend most of the article answering another question, who is more to blame for the recent SB drought, the offense or the defense? There may be some relationship between these two questions, but they shouldn’t be conflated.

The pertinent questions as I see it are: Is Brady still a good enough QB to win a SB? You have to start there. If the answer to that question is “no” then the Pats need to be exclusively building for the future and looking to groom their next SB winning QB. But I would argue the answer is “yes,” he’s still good enough.

The second question then becomes, is Brady’s (not the Patriots’) window for being a good enough QB to win the SB closing? Again, I would say, “yes.” Brady will be 34 when next season starts. Realistically, I’d say that gives the Pats another 3 to 4 years to win a SB with Brady as their starting QB.

From there you have to ask: Do the Patriots go for broke the next 3 to 4 years with Brady, or do they continue to building a solid team that will compete every year while grooming a QB for the future? Pats fans can argue about which path is preferable, but from everything I’ve seen from Belichick and Kraft, I have to believe they will pursue the later path.

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by rebop on Mar 3, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

...and if I had time, that's the thought process I would have followed.

I had a schedule to meet and the paying gig unfortunately had to come ahead of this one which is for fun. Not trying to make excuses, because I’m definitely not proud of this piece of work. I usually do better when I can put it out there in one shot rather than bits and pieces through the week.

Your points are all good, and I will try to do better in the future.

Thanks

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 3, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel it is entirely appropriate

to delve into the detail regarding the results of recent history in order to address the question of where we are in the now and what might we do about that. It would be absurd to ask the question whether Brady is still good enough to win a SB. Of course he is. The question is how much longer will he be of that caliber, and what will we do to assure whatever amount of time that is that we optimize our chances to succeed before that key component becomes a problem itself. Looking to the actions that have obviously not been successful is paramount to addressing the fix whenever the window closes, as it surely will at some point.

Critical draft coming up.

by BabeParilli on Mar 3, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Your piece was very good....

My response probably came off as more critical than I intended it to. You make a lot of very good points in your article. I was just kind of thinking out loud in response to some of the issues you raise….nothing wrong with what you wrote at all.

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by rebop on Mar 3, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We all know it...

it was crap

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by insertscreenname on Mar 3, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

The Pats don’t plan “for the future” or “for this season.” Each decision is an isolated assessment in which the decision maker asks, “What is the best value we can get out of this transaction?” In a sense, this perspective is inherently long-term, because it minimizes the influence of perceived, current exigencies, but it is not a uniformly long-term approach. If the value lies in move that makes the team better this season, that’s where they go. If the value lies in move that might not improve the team immediately, but will pay the greatest dividends down the road, that’s where they go.

I think the media, in its attempt to produce consumer-friendly news, concocts this somewhat arbitrary “long-term vs. short-term” battle, as if the two are incompatible and mutually exclusive. The Patriots’ method of business transcends this dichotomy, to the extent that it exists, by placing emphasis on “value,” which is not a strictly long-term measure of worth, but will always keep the team competitive in both the long- and short-terms.

by nbradley07 on Mar 3, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of like,

if you break your leg and a splint is at full price, but band-aids are 50% off, you should probably get the splint anyway since you haven’t cut yourself.

Need is an important consideration of course. In the Pat’s case just because a great QB is available at great value they would be unwise to take advantage of that value because they already have that aspect covered quite nicely, thank you very much. So it is a balance between need and value. As a general rule you don’t want to ever overpay for anything, but sometimes you do need to pay full price if the need is great.

Critical draft coming up.

by BabeParilli on Mar 3, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say...

they work hard to strike a balance between building a team that can compete year in and year out and one that is built to win now. There is a certain fluctuation between these two poles based on where the team is any given year, but on balance the philosophy is to keep the team competitive every year. I’d be very surprised, for example, if the Pats tried the emulate the Jets approach last year at any point during Brady’s tenure.

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by rebop on Mar 3, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The closest they came, IMO, was in 2007 when they picked up Moss, Welker, Donté Stallworth, and Adalius Thomas.

Having just grabbed Gaffney the year before, they retooled the entire receiver corps (Troy Brown was on PUP until November, but wasn’t really used).

They came close, but not close enough. The only guy left from that time is Welker.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 3, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

there is no such thing as

“good enough QB to win a SB” so that would be a meaningless question to ask

by pats4life on Mar 3, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Trent Dilfer...

more or less proves your point. However, within the context of the Patriots and how they are constructed as a team, they need at least a certain grade of QB to win, IMO. Brady is still more than good enough in that respect.

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by rebop on Mar 3, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor Trent Dilfer.

The Dilfer trump card gets played every time the discussion about the importance of a good QB arises. The guy was an excellent game manager, and when the Ravens ditched him for the “more talented” Elvis Grbac (Can I buy a vowel, a-thank you very much?), they tanked.

I think the more important point to emphasize re: Dilfer is the other-worldly defense that team had. That unit had games where it outscored its offense AND kept the other under 10 points. When you’ve got that, all you have to do is sustain drives long enough to kick the occasional field goal. You really need something very, very special on the defensive side to get away with a mediocre QB.

by nbradley07 on Mar 3, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

well

since Tom Brady can be argued to be the farthest thing from a “mediocre QB” there is in this league then I guess we should be focusing on someone other than him when wondering why the team keeps losing.
That, or we could all just hope the team continues to improve that defense and bolster the offensive line

by pats4life on Mar 3, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Trent Dilfer's an excellent analyst...

He might not have had the physical tools, but he was clearly a very, very good tactical mind. Which is something Brady was accused of his first couple of years in the league, lest we forget.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 4, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

We do not forget.

But we also acknowledge that Brady had a much better defense in those early years, suggesting that regardless of the caliber of your QB, a good/great defense is a must for championship teams. If your QB is only mediocre or has a limited skill set (which is how I would characterize Dilfer), your defense must be stellar.

by nbradley07 on Mar 4, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This is seemingly the only manner in which Trent Dilfers legacy will always live

on lol

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by PatNation85 on Mar 4, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He's the opposite of JaMarcus Russell

Russell had all the physicals but no brain; Dilfer had a brain but no physicals. One of them won a Super Bowl…

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 4, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

...the other's at the CITGO....

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Drinking Purple drank.....

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by NinjaZX6R on Mar 4, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And eating Cheetos

Has to maintain his DT-like profile.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 4, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ninja in the immortal words of Chapelle.....

“WTF is juice?”
“I want drink baby”
“It’s purple, no preservatives”
Hahahahhahaha

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by PatNation85 on Mar 4, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

171-171. Either there is immense disagreement, or there isn’t a truly meaningful difference between the two options.

by nbradley07 on Mar 3, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

This is a passionate subject.

I think that too much of the game has been set on Tom’s shoulders as well. We need to be able to run the football more in the playoffs. I just thought Bill out thought himself. Also it was not meant for the Patriots to win the Super Bowl this year. Which doesn’t make me feel as bad. But it doesn’ t make me feel good either. Yes we should go all in this year. The Patriots need 5 players from this up coming draft who can play. At least 2 starters. And some passion. We need guys who will bring it.

by Patriots12 on Mar 3, 2011 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Just 5?

We may need as many as 3 O-Linemen. 1 OLB and 1 DE. There’s 5.
Not to mention a game changing WR and a RB. That’s 7.

Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
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by PatNation85 on Mar 3, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Only great drafts yield 4 or better impact players.

I just used a number. We need guys who can help certainly. We have young wide receivers who can develop. The Patriots’ offensive system is complex. You just cannot go get a guy and expect him to contribute out of college like that. I hope that is the case. But we have burners in our offense. They just need to grow. Probably need 2 OLBs.

by Patriots12 on Mar 4, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

But we have burners in our offense

Ummm yeah i’ve seen this written quite a lot. But if you’re mentioning Tate, i don;t see him as a burner. He got either ran down or couldn’t get separation from his man in the passing game. Price, had nice performance numbers, but he is an unknown. Those are the 2 that you speak of?

You just cannot go get a guy and expect him to contribute out of college like that.

Exactly, hence why you draft sufficient guys that are believed to have what it takes in this system to give our team the best chance to win each and every week. Not just a certain number.
Probably need 2 OLBs.

And i was also thinking of this. That would be yet another body.

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by PatNation85 on Mar 4, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure why there's this fixation on 'deep threats'

Didn’t have them in 2001, didn’t have them in 2003, didn’t have them in 2004. Didn’t have one in 2006 when the O had them up 20 points in the AFC Championship game. Didn’t have them in 2010 when the Pats went 14-2. Shrug.

I do like the idea of multiple OLBs. Built-in backup plan, plus it’ll save them from having to sign a free agent in week 12 again… yuck.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 4, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the thought of Welker being a seemingly #1 WR is not a good thought.

I know it ain’t for me. That being said, my statement above made no mention of “deep threat” but your point is taken. At the same time, let’s not be naive and think it’s the same league as it was in those Superbowl years that you listed above. Our defense ain’t the same either. As we all know. The league is different now. The passing game is more essential than it has ever been.

Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
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by PatNation85 on Mar 4, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's still 14-2 good, though

And Brady was the issue in the playoff loss, not necessarily the WRs. There were open guys that Brady didn’t spot, and that was because he was doing that awkward backwards-forwards shuffle in the ‘pocket’. I’d rather a better O-line, especially with guys retiring/ off-contract/ about to be cut.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 4, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather a better O-line, especially with guys retiring/ off-contract/ about to be cut.

Agreed!

Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
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by PatNation85 on Mar 4, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You agreeing w. Cs....lol

I kid :)

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by NinjaZX6R on Mar 4, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, hell has frozen over lol.

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by PatNation85 on Mar 4, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

Hell is in Michigan, and it freezes over every year.

Not a big event or anything.

Paradise, however, is in the upper peninsula, and it gets even colder. Go figure.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Brandon can be a player.

Brandon Tate is now 2-3 years removed from his knee injury. And last season was his first full season playing and reacting. I think more seasoning is needed, but I believe that he can be a good player. I feel the same with Taylor Price. But the offensive line is where the real spot light is going to be shined at. The reason we lost to the Jets is we didn’t make the plays that were there. That’s it. We do need to run the football more, but the Patriots didn’t capitalize on the opportunities that were there.

by Patriots12 on Mar 5, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

We can't rely solely on Brady. All great QBs have a shitty game in the playoffs

Brees had a bad game against the Vikings in 2009. Rodgers had a 55 passer rating against the Bears this year but they both had teammates that could cover up their mistakes. Brady doesn’t have that safety net. We need balance. Brady has proved that he can’t win it on his own. He has had 3 chances now.

by bbismyhero on Mar 4, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

We should grab Christian Ponder.

Let him sit on the bench for the next two or three years, I think that is Brady’s window. Christian Is a great athlete, very accurate, and smart. At most you use a third rounder, but I think it’s worth a shot.

by Christopher Schaaf on Mar 4, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

And if/when Brady plays for another 5 years?

What then? We’ll have a guy that has been aging on the bench for 5 years? I don’t see why drafting a QB now, is so beneficial when our HOF QB just signed an extension. We have so many other pressing needs, and some folks wish to spend a pick on a QB?

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by PatNation85 on Mar 4, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

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by NinjaZX6R on Mar 4, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Pick McElroy in the 4th/5th.

He’s pretty similar to Brady in build, arm strength (out of college anyway), and accuracy.

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