The Bill Belichick Era- A look at his past 11 draft classes and their success rate.
In some NFL circles, Bill Belichick has been regarded as one of the best in the business in selecting players in the NFL Draft. His ability to trade down draft picks for future draft selections, much to the annoyance and groans from Patriots fans, is remarkable and uncanny especially in recent memory.
Pats4life explains in his fanpost how Bill used his draft picks to his advantage.
The second trade was with the Oakland Raiders. It is often overlooked because the Patriots had traded with the Raiders to acquire Randy Moss, which looking back was highway robbery given that the Patriots only gave up a fourth round pick. But, the other trade done with the Raiders that day may be the trade that is responsible for the current structure of the Patriots. The Patriots sent the 91st overall pick to the Raiders for the 211th in that draft and the 69th overall in the 2008 draft. The 69th selection in 2008 was traded to the San Diego Chargers for the 160th in that draft and the 47th in 2009.
Those trades take us back to 2009. The Patriots entered stacked at the top of the draft with their first round pick (23rd) and three second round picks: Chiefs (34th), Chargers (47th), and their own (58th). It was on this day that Bill Belichick, and the Patriots, started to implement the 3 year plan.
Comedic Sans also explains further
The Pats started off Day Two with three second round selections.
They had the 44th, which they had originally gained from Jacksonville (along with the pick that turned into Julian Edelman) in exchange for a 2009 third rounder (73rd overall).
The Pats also had the 47th, which they received from Tennessee in exchange for a 2009 third rounder (89th overall).
47th overall: The Pats traded back (surprise!) to Arizona, to get Arizona's 58th overall and a third-rounder (89th overall).
58th overall: The pick from Arizona (plus a third, in exchange for the 47th); again, traded back (repetitive, right?). This netted the Pats the 62nd overall from Houston, as well as a 5th round pick (150th overall-Mesko).
62nd overall: The end result of the trade that also netted that 5th round pick; on the board still was ILB Brandon Spikes.
89th overall: the pick Pats nabbed when they raded their second for Arizona's second; a freebie of sorts. Carolina, desperate for QBs, traded a 2011 second-round selection to the Pats in order to get this slot - absolutely fantastic value for the Pats. This could well be the best deal of the lot, and it originally hinged from such an innocuous trade as moving down the second round a little - they pick up a 2011 second-round pick because they moved down 11 spots in the 2010 second round. Highway robbery? I think so. Dance your victory dance, Mr Belichick.
90th overall: The Pats got this pick from Dallas by moving down three spots in the first round - 24th to 27th. Where Dallas used the 24th to take Dez Bryant, the Pats used the third round pick they gained to select WRTaylor Price.
In this article, there will be two types of grades given to draftees, a hit or a miss depending on the round they were selected.
For example, any player selected in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round hasto be starter or started a few games, in order to be considered a hit.
Players selected in the 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th rounds have to be a role players.
** Disclaimer- The hit or miss grades for players from the 2009 and 2010 classes can change. Please feel free to discuss these results in the comments.
2000 class Note-We lost our 1st round selection as a compensation for the whole "I resign as HC of the NYJ" fisaco.
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | 46 | Adrian Klemm | Offensive tackle | Hawaii |
| 3 | 76 | J. R. Redmond | Running back | Arizona State |
| 4 | 127 | Greg Robinson-Randall | Offensive tackle | Michigan State |
| 5 | 141 | Dave Stachelski | Tight end | Boise State |
| 5 | 161 | Jeff Marriott | Defensive tackle | Missouri |
| 6 | 187 | Antwan Harris | Safety | Virginia |
| 6 | 199 | Tom Brady | Quarterback | Michigan |
| 6 | 201 | David Nugent | Defensive end | Purdue |
| 7 | 226 | Casey Tisdale | Linebacker | New Mexico |
| 7 | 239 | Patrick Pass | Fullback | Georgia |
Hit-
Tom Brady, JR Redmond, Greg Robinson- Randall, Antwan Harris and Patrick Pass.
Miss-Klemm, Stachelski, Marriott, Nugent, and Tisdale
2001 class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 6 | Richard Seymour | Defensive tackle | Georgia |
| 2 | 48 | Matt Light | Offensive tackle | Purdue |
| 3 | 86 | Brock Williams | Cornerback | Notre Dame |
| 4 | 96 | Kenyatta Jones | Offensive tackle | South Florida |
| 4 | 119 | Jabari Holloway | Tight end | Notre Dame |
| 5 | 163 | Hakim Akbar | Safety | Washington |
| 6 | 180 | Arther Love | Tight end | South Carolina State |
| 6 | 200 | Leonard Myers | Cornerback | Miami (FL) |
| 7 | 216 | Owen Pochman | Kicker | BYU |
| 7 | 239 | T. J. Turner | Linebacker | Michigan State |
Hit- Richard Seymour, Matt Light and Kenyatta Jones.
Miss- Williams, Holloway, Akbar, Love, Myers, Pochman,and Turner.
2002 Class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 21 | Daniel Graham | Tight end | Colorado |
| 2 | 65 | Deion Branch | Wide receiver | Louisville |
| 4 | 117 | Rohan Davey | Quarterback | LSU |
| 4 | 126 | Jarvis Green | Defensive end | LSU |
| 7 | 237 | Antwoine Womack | Running back | Virginia |
| 7 | 253 | David Givens | Wide receiver | Notre Dame |
Hit-Daniel Graham, Dieon Branch, Jarvis Green, and David Givens.
Miss- Davey and Womack.
2003 Class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 13 | Ty Warren | Defensive tackle | Texas A&M |
| 2 | 36 | Eugene Wilson | Cornerback | Illinois |
| 2 | 45 | Bethel Johnson | Wide receiver | Texas A&M |
| 4 | 117 | Dan Klecko | Defensive tackle | Temple |
| 4 | 120 | Asante Samuel | Cornerback | Central Florida |
| 5 | 164 | Dan Koppen | Center | Boston College |
| 6 | 201 | Kliff Kingsbury | Quarterback | Texas Tech |
| 7 | 234 | Spencer Nead | Tight end | BYU |
| 7 | 239 | Tully Banta-Cain | Linebacker | California |
| 7 | 243 | Ethan Kelley | Defensive tackle | Baylor |
Hit- Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Dan Klecko, Asante Samuel, Dan Koppen, and TBC.
Miss-Johnson, Kingsbury, Nead, and Kelley.
2004 class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 21 | Vince Wilfork | Defensive tackle | Miami (FL) |
| 1 | 32 | Benjamin Watson | Tight end | Georgia |
| 2 | 63 | Marquise Hill | Defensive end | LSU |
| 3 | 95 | Guss Scott | Safety | Florida |
| 4 | 128 | Dexter Reid | Safety | North Carolina |
| 4 | 128 | Cedric Cobbs | Running back | Arkansas |
| 5 | 164 | P. K. Sam | Wide receiver | Florida State |
| 7 | 233 | Christian Morton | Cornerback | Florida State |
Hit-Vince Wilfork, and Ben Watson.
Miss-Hill, Scott, Reid, Cobbs, Sam, and Morton.
2005 Class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 32 | Logan Mankins | Offensive guard | Fresno State |
| 3 | 84 | Ellis Hobbs | Cornerback | Iowa State |
| 3 | 100 | Nick Kaczur | Offensive tackle | Toledo |
| 4 | 133 | James Sanders | Safety | Fresno State |
| 5 | 170 | Ryan Claridge | Linebacker | UNLV |
| 7 | 230 | Matt Cassel | Quarterback | Southern California |
| 7 | 255 | Andy Stokes | Tight end | William Penn |
Hit- Logan Mankins, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kazcur, James Sanders and Matt Cassel.
Miss- Claridge and Stokes.
2006 Class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 21 | Laurence Maroney | Running back | Minnesota |
| 2 | 36 | Chad Jackson | Wide receiver | Florida |
| 3 | 86 | David Thomas | Tight end | Texas |
| 4 | 106 | Garrett Mills | Tight end | Tulsa |
| 4 | 118 | Stephen Gostkowski | Kicker | Memphis |
| 5 | 136 | Ryan O'Callaghan | Offensive tackle | California |
| 6 | 191 | Jeremy Mincey | Defensive end | Florida |
| 6 | 205 | Dan Stevenson | Offensive guard | Notre Dame |
| 6 | 206 | Le Kevin Smith | Defensive tackle | Nebraska |
| 7 | 229 | Willie Andrews | Defensive back | Baylor |
Hit-Laurence Maroney, David Thomas, Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan O'Callaghan, and Le Kevin Smith.
Miss- Chad Jackson, Garrett Mills, Jermey Mincy, Dan Stevenson, and Willie Andrews.
2007 class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 24 | Brandon Meriweather | Safety | Miami (FL) |
| 4 | 127 | Kareem Brown | Defensive end | Miami (FL) |
| 5 | 171 | Clint Oldenburg | Offensive tackle | Colorado State |
| 6 | 180 | Justin Rogers | Linebacker | SMU |
| 6 | 202 | Mike Richardson | Cornerback | Notre Dame |
| 6 | 208 | Justise Hairston | Running back | Central Connecticut State |
| 6 | 209 | Corey Hilliard | Offensive guard | Oklahoma State |
| 7 | 211 | Oscar Lua | Linebacker | USC |
| 7 | 247 | Mike Elgin | Center | Iowa |
Hit - Brandon Meriweather.
Miss-Rest of the 07 class.
2008 Draft
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 10 | Jerod Mayo | Linebacker | Tennessee |
| 2 | 62 | Terrence Wheatley | Cornerback | Colorado |
| 3 | 78 | Shawn Crable | Linebacker | Michigan |
| 3 | 94 | Kevin O'Connell | Quarterback | San Diego State |
| 4 | 129 | Jonathan Wilhite | Cornerback | Auburn |
| 5 | 153 | Matthew Slater | Safety | UCLA |
| 6 | 197 | Bo Ruud | Linebacker | Nebraska |
Hit- Mayo, Wilhite, and Slater.
Miss- Whealtey, Crable, O'Connell, and Bo Ruud.
2009 Class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | 34 | Pat Chung | Safety | Oregon |
| 2 | 40 | Ron Brace | Defensive tackle | Boston College |
| 2 | 41 | Darius Butler | Cornerback | Connecticut |
| 2 | 58 | Sebastian Vollmer | Offensive tackle | Houston |
| 3 | 83 | Brandon Tate | Wide receiver | North Carolina |
| 3 | 97 | Tyrone McKenzie | Linebacker | South Florida |
| 4 | 123 | Rich Ohrnberger | Offensive guard | Penn State |
| 5 | 170 | George Bussey | Offensive guard | Louisville |
| 6 | 198 | Jake Ingram | Long snapper | Hawaii |
| 6 | 207 | Myron Pryor | Defensive tackle | Kentucky |
| 7 | 232 | Julian Edelman | Wide receiver | Kent State |
| 7 | 234 | Darryl Richard | Defensive tackle | Georgia Tech |
Hit- Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer, Tate, Pryor, and Edelman.
Miss-McKenzie, Ohrnberger, Bussey, Ingram and Richard.
2010 Class
| Round | Overall | Player | Position | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 27 | Devin McCourty | Cornerback | Rutgers |
| 2 | 42 | Rob Gronkowski | Tight end | Arizona |
| 2 | 53 | Jermaine Cunningham | Linebacker | Florida |
| 2 | 62 | Brandon Spikes | Linebacker | Florida |
| 3 | 90 | Taylor Price | Wide receiver | Ohio |
| 4 | 113 | Aaron Hernandez | Tight end | Florida |
| 5 | 150 | Zoltan Mesko | Punter | Michigan |
| 6 | 205 | Ted Larsen | Center | NC State |
| 7 | 208 | Thomas Welch | Offensive tackle | Vanderbilt |
| 7 | 247 | Brandon Deaderick | Defensive end | Alabama |
| 7 | 248 | Kade Weston | Defensive tackle | Georgia |
| 7 | 250 | Zac Robinson | Quarterback | Oklahoma State |
Hit-McCourty, Gronkowski, Cunningham, Spikes, Hernandez, Mesko, and Deaderick.
Miss- Price, Larsen, Welch, Weston and Robinson.
Round success rate.
1st round-9/ 9. 100 %
Richard Seymour, Daniel Graham, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Ben Watson, Lo-Mo, Brandon Meriweather, Jerod Mayo and Devin McCourty.
To hit 100 % with first round picks over 11 years is pretty remarkable regardless of what a certain Patriot commenter says about Bill. Some may argue about Laurence Maroney being a bust but he was a 4 year starter with the Patriots. 3 of the 9 selections are multiple Pro Bowlers and 3 of the 9 have a Pro Bowl to their names.
2nd round-10/15- 66.67%
Wine taste better with age or at least that’s what the common belief is. It is true with Bill’s draft selections.
His 1st 2nd round selection in 2000 was a bust. As was Bethel Johnson (2003), Marquis Hill (2004), Chad Jackson (2006) and Terrance Whealtey (2008). Matt Light (2001), Dieon Branch (2002) and Eugene Wilson (2003) were hits.
But if you take a look at the 2009 and 2010 classes, it looks like Belichick struck gold. Pat Chung is a legit starter at SS; Sebastian Vollmer is a franchise swing Tackle. Ron Brace played better this year than in his rookie season and looks like a possible replacement for Ty Warren in the next year or two. Butler had a decent rookie year and then a season to forget in his sophomore year. He will definitely have to fight for nickel spot, and I expect him to win it.
Don’t have to say anything much about the 2010 2nd round selections. All 3 of them were valuable contributers to the 2010 Patriots season.
3rd round- 5/11. 45%
Note I have included Price as a miss solely because he only played in one game in his rookie season.
Nick Kazcur, Ellis Hobbs, Brandon Tate, David Thomas and JR Redmen were the successful selections.
4th round- 8/16 50%
Hits-Jarvis Green, James Sanders, Stephen Gostkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Dan Kelko (to some extent), Asante Samuel (multiple pro bowls), Jonathan Wilhite and Greg Robinson-Randall.
5th round- 4/11 36%
Hits-Dan Koppen (Pro Bowler), Matthew Slatter, Ryan O'Callaghan, and Zoltan Mesko.
6th round- 4/15 26%
Hits- Tom Brady, Attwan Harris, LeKevin Smith and M Pryor.
7th round 6/21 28.5%
Hits-Patrick Pass, David Givens, TBC, Julian Edelman, Brandon Deadrick and Matt Cassel.
Ideally, teams expect first and second round draftees to start from day one. 3rd and 4th round picks are expected to contribute via special teams and backup roles become starters down the road. In the 5th -7th rounds, teams try to find the diamond in the rough.
I have said it before on Pats Pulpit that the 2009 and 2010 draft classes might be Bill Belichick's best classes ever. If Bill hits gold again with the 2011 draft selections (2 first round picks and 2 second round picks), this team is build for short and long-term success.
The Pittsburgh Steelers struck gold with their selections in 1969, 1970, 1971 and 1974. They won four Super Bowls in 1975, 1976,1979 and in 1980 with those selections.
Let’s hope it happens again with the New England Patriots.
In Bill We Trust!
Hooah!
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I just got a shout out from Ninja
and it wasn’t a bad thing!!!
Not really.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
What are you talking about?
Brady sucks.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 20, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions
Correction
Bill sucks
/oil spilled.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Maybe a bit generous with your rankings,
And have a look at how many 1st rounders have a Pro Bowl to their names.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 20, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
6 of them
Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Brandon Meriweather, Jerod Mayo and Devin McCourty
The 1st four of them have gone to the Pro Bowl. Meriweather should be on the other list with McC and Mayo and Mayo on the other hand should have had at least 2 pro bowls including one from the 2008 season. How do you win the AP defensive rookie of the year without going to a Pro Bowl?
Makes no sense.
All but 1st rounder have made huge impacts. He is a 3 and a half year starter. His rookie year looked promising, his 2nd year looked ok but disappointment but he was huge in the playoff game against Jax and SD. His third year was a wash since he got injured and his final year was avg at best. If Bill thought he was a bust, he would have been playing elsewhere in 2009.
At best, Lo Mo is a semi bust. Take a look at the 1st two rounds running back selections.
Reggie Bush, Lo Mo, DeAngelio Williams, Addai, Lendale White and MJD.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
just cause you were the best rookie
doesn’t mean you were better than veterans. come on Ninja you’re better than that
Mayo
Did win the AP NFL defensive player of the year. In any other year, he would have gone to the Pro bowl in his rookie year. He had 128 tackles, 1FF 4 PD (aka he has stone hands).
Bruschi got injured for 3 games in that season. That forced (I believe) Gary Guyton to WILB and Mayo to SILB. His stats would have been higher if that injury to Bru didn’t occur.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Yeah it was Guyton
He was Bruschi’s 3rd down sub and top reserve ILB. Or, at least, that’s how I remember it going.
Deep in enemy territory
Used him (in 2008) as a
3-4 OLB and 3-4 WILB.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Oh yeah
I forgot he played OLB too. I wanna say the Seattle game? and Maybe Pittsburgh?
Deep in enemy territory
well since Ray Lewis is an automatic vote in because the general sports fan is an idiot
and the Pro Bowl in general is a joke, we shouldn’t judge players off of Pro Bowl votes. Meriweather or Chung? See my point?
Meriweather did deservedly earn his 1st pro bowl berth.
and Mayo did win the AP DPOY.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I hold all awards (that aren't records) to the same standard
first ballot hall of famers, pro bowlers, MVPS, POYs; they are all jokes because they aren’t objective. they are generated by the media. Did Devin McCourty play worse than Suh did at his position? no. Both played outstanding. too bad Suh got recognized and McCourty didn’t. Is Manning better than Brady because of the 4 MVPs Manning has? No. I think we can make an obvious judgement about the players without trying to recognize their ridiculous “awards”.
i think i would pick suh over mccourty.
what suh did as a rookie is outstanding. Not too many DTs can do what he did in terms of tackles and sacks. he was a monster. Great DTs are not supposed to get the numbers he got, and thats why I had him over mccourty. Not going to let my personal bias get in the way of that. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
wasn't putting any personal bias
just saying that the award doesn’t make Suh better than McCourty. What he did on the field makes him better.
I said MY personal bias (because sometimes I do have bias. XD).
I think the award means who was most impressive, not which rookie is better than who exactly…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
DROY.
Only special players (and Bob Sanders) win the DPOY.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 20, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
4 passes defenced?
Don’t seem like stone hands to me.
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
Admit it
How many times did he have good chances to INT a pass….I remember 3 of them…easy passes…dude sadly has stone hands. I believe he only had 1 or 2 INTS in college…Spikes on the other hand had 8.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
yeah Mayo can cover ground and tackle anything
but when it comes to ball skills he is on the lower end of the spectrum
Get him on the JUGS machine.
As long as he can catch a Sanchez wounded duck, that’s all he needs to do. Or at least knock it up for someone else to grab.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 20, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
he should practice the "tip drill"
cause he isn’t gonna catch anything ever lol. might as well pop it up like you said
You say he can't
and a guy like him will do everything in the world to prove you wrong. I know too many of them.
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
If I say he can't
and I am proven right, I am right
If I am proven wrong, then yay for the Patriots, and yay for me
It's a deal then?
He gets his 1st INT this year (again, cross fingers), then you proclaim me King…if he doesn’t..then you proclaim me “Your Highness”..cool?
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
why would I proclaim you my highness?
I know how high I am lol
Then it's King then.
I’m cool with that. :-)
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
ok AD
I’ll call you queen since you are so persistent
Nice try
but Marima is our queen.
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
hahahahahahaahaha
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't encourage him.
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
I think he really has opportunities...
but the ball just happens to drop out. It’s certainly not Ben Watson-ish, but are we really asking for that? He’s getting into coverage when he’s asked to play it…and getting near them.
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
This proves
we have to go pass-rush in the 1st round rather then o-line. We can pick up Ricky and Ocho or bring back Moss to solve those problems (right we can still do that with the lockout?). Oline picks can be used in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
I see a 'FORK in the road!
by New Century Silver on Mar 20, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
BB
aside from the 2010 2nd round selection of J Cunningham, has never taken an OLB in the 1st two rounds.
Then again, he never took a CB in the 1st round during his tenure here until Devin McCourty. So things could change.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
They can't really do anything with the lockout
And without a CBA in place could only have signed a released player, not one scheduled for free agency.
I agree that we need a pass rusher, but realistically BB just goes best player available with the early round picks, he doesn’t take anyone based on need. So unless one of those OLB/DEs is the best guy on the board at 17 or 28 I don’t necessarily see us taking one early.
Deep in enemy territory
Not sure how that proves pass-rush?
It means that Belichick does a great job of evaluating first round talent. He doesn’t magically make a first rounder successful.
by Richard Hill on Mar 21, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Just curious
Since Larsen actually started a bunch of games for the Bucs and had a pretty good season, should he really be considered a miss? Or is it just based on the fact that he didn’t make the roster here?
Deep in enemy territory
That was hard choice for me to decide.
If Bill thought he was going to be good, he wouldn’t have tried to sneak him to the PS..see Garrett Mills.
Should have send Rich Ob to PS and kept Larsen.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I think, to be fair, they did rate Larsen above Ohrnberger
Seeing as they tried to sneak Larsen onto the PS and cut Ohrnberger outright, signing him to the PS later and then the active roster.
Deep in enemy territory
I just don't think they viewed him as a immediate starter...just as a project.
He really didn’t have a good pre season but I think they saw the talent with him.
Now I don’t know how he started on the Bucs line.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Personally
if the players fails here, he is a failure. it doesn’t help the Patriots if the guy goes beast mode elsewhere. are we really supposed to consider a draft pick that doesn’t work for us but for someone else a good thing?
Maroney was a hit?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA you can’t be serious.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 21, 2011 1:00 AM EDT reply actions
He was a monster near the tailend of the '07 season
so I’ll give him that much..no matter how much I couldn’t stand him. But that’s it.
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
One half of a season
does not redeem 4 years of dancing and not one year above 1,000 yards rushing.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 21, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
3
He was on IR in 2008.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Not for all of it
He was sent to IR in October after suffering an injury in the first go-around with Jet Favre.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 21, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He only played 3 games.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
He was actually pretty good in 2006 and 2007
‘06 as a rotational back with Corey Dillon and ’07 in what I think is fair to say was a pass-heavy offense. In 2008 he got injured like week 2 and only played in a few games before hitting IR. Clearly by 2009 they were ready to see a breakout performance, and while I would argue that he had a decent year until he went all butterfingers on us, I think they felt he had his shot and didn’t produce enough to be worthy of an extension. In that situation, you almost always trade the guy. (Richard Seymour was a similar situation – traded away bc he wasn’t going to be resigned at the end of the season).
And, technically, we gave up the 4th rounder from Denver to get Deion Branch back. So Maroney DID improve our offense in 2010. lol
Deep in enemy territory
I'm in your camp on this one.
For a first round pick, Maroney was a disappointment. While maybe not a total bust, I’m comfortable classifying him as a “miss,” based on the criteria you should use to evaluate a first rounder (e.g. significant, game-changing contributions).
Agreed.
He was a 7/10 as a running back, but you want a first round to be at least an 8 or 9. He played like a second or third rounder.
by Richard Hill on Mar 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
From these ratings one wonders how we ever lost a football game.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
I know
because clearly there are only 20 or so good players in the league and 25 solid role players.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Maroney and Watson weren't busts.
They just didn’t live up to expectations. For the purposes of the list, maybe there needs to be more categories than just hit or miss. Example – JR Redmond came up big in SB 36. But for a 3rd round pick, he didn’t perform at that level for an extended period of time.
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by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
when you draft players that don’t live up to expectations, the team doesn’t live up to expectations.
This surely isn’t the draft record of an idiot, but it surely also is not the record of a genius.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
Basically everyone drafted after the 1st round in 07 dropped out of the league.
2008 was hurt by the lack of a late 1st round pick, and the guys we did select that could appear to play got injured (Wheatley/Crable), were a gamble/change of strategy (O’Connell), or were a nickel CB at best (Wilhite).
2007 was all-in for that year (possibly because the draft class sucked) – big FA signings and trading draft picks for players doesn’t help a roster over the long term – look at Washington – but can be huge for a year.
2006 netted a RB with potential that flashed before he was injured (Maroney), the wrong WR (Jackson over Jennings, so one bad pick from a “Belichick tree” guy in Meyer), a TE/H-back who had success in New Orleans (but didn’t do much here, so call that a push), another TE who did nothing, an All-Pro kicker, a back-up tackle taken in the 5th, and several camp bodies.
The 06 draft was the killer, and really Belichick’s only poor one (so far). Even then, Maroney got the 18th win of 07 himself, David Thomas was crucial to the Saints in 09 (but he’s no Gronk/Hernandez, so I’d take the two TEs we have now) and a great kicker for the next 15 years. If we could have gotten just two more guys from each of these three drafts to develop into gameday players, we’d have been set.
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by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Find someone with a better track record.
Seriously. You won’t.
by Richard Hill on Mar 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Recd
HA…I was just about to make the same comment you did.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Are you
stirring up trouble again?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahaha
I actually like that you said this
Wow, the sheeple loved this one.
Who has a better track record?
How about, in the last 6 years, whomever has been making player decisions for the Steelers, Giants, Colts Saints and Packers.
Hey, when you groove one right down the middle don’t be surprised when it gets slammed out of the park.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ahahhahahahahaha Colts???
Might wanna head to his /awesome site-stampedeblue.com. Read what they write about Bill Polian and his draft picks.
Saints?-Aside from their 2009 draft class, the rest aren’t that great. How is Charlie Brown and Patrick Robinson doing? Funny…in Sept, they were ready to trade Pierre Thomas to us for Darius Buter.
Giants-Guess who have not made the playoffs in 2 back to back seasons and were one and done in their defense of their sb title
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
wait. the Colts? I thought you said we had become the Colts? I thought that was a bad thing?
just another puzzle piece I guess
It's easier to say Colts, Giants, Saints etc when you don't actually research who those guys draft...
Charlie Ugoh says hi.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Jerry Hughes says Hi
Wait…that’s just the delusional angry rant of a moron.
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Reggie Bush should have a party with Hughes.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Along w. Gholston and Fat Andre Smith
Did you hear…they are moving him to guard ahahahhaha
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Briam Brohm, Pat Lee, Justin Harrell, Daryn Colledge, and Terrence Murphy want invites.
Never heard of those guys? All top-3 round busts in the last few years of the current Super Bowl Champion Packers.
But they can’t have busts, right? I thought only Belichick drafted poorly, or something…
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Good pt...cause BP was saying that Ted T was better.
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Did you HAVE to mention Daryn Colledge?
I just want him to fade away…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 24, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I am entertaining him
and he is giving me puzzle pieces. win-win for me
I count about 17 good picks
out of the 48 “hits” listed here. That’s about 1.5 good players added through the draft a year. No way in hell that’s going to perpetuate a dynasty. And it didn’t.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
The problem was the 06-07-08 drafts.
Can’t build a team on one or two per year, when you’re going to lose 5 guys at once like they did.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't argue with that.
Every draft is precious and the room for error is very small. Losing a #1 to get BB and losing another for spygate was a devastating shot in the stones as well.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
The #1 for BB was worth it considering he got us 3 SB's right after it
and the one for “spygate” was bogus. CS can provide all the facts why. And also, the Patriots room for error is a lot larger. Consider the fact that last year, we had 12 picks, the Jets had 3-4. If we hit at a 25% ratio and they hit at a 75% ratio, we still get one more great young rookie than they do. When we average more around 50%, we get three more contributors than the Jets would. Last year, we got McCourty, Herndo, Gronk, Spikes, Cunningham, Mesko and Deadrick (guys who lived up to the draft pick as of right now.) The Jets have all under-performing players right now, with the possibility that two could still work. So that is 7 Patriots, at best 2 Jets. And I wonder who got us all those picks. That’s right, Bill Belicheck.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
that's something often forgotten
Belichick goes more for volume right now, because he realized that it is a very difficult task to just hit on every pick. 50% on 12 picks gets 6 players. There are 7 rounds and most teams have around 7-8 picks. The only way for the Patriots to not have as good of a draft as another team is if that other team hits on ALL of theirs. Rarely does that happen
All those awesome picks
have earned a couple of one and outs with a no playoffs thrown in during the last 3 years.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
yeah BP
cause the Brady injury had nothing to do with missing in 2008, right?
cause the loss of Seymour, Vrabel, Harrison, and Bruschi before the 2009 season and then the loss of Welker right before the playoff game had nothing to do with the loss in 2009, right?
cause the team went 14-2, was blowing everyone out, and then didn’t come to play in 2010, right?
Seriously man, THINK!
Well
ask the Kiwi about losing Brady being a problem. I surmise he thinks Cassel is better than him.
Yeah, players get old, hurt and leave for more money. That’s why you build through the draft and free agency. The bottom line is the bottom line. A great team built with many key non-BB players has deteriorated into the Colts. Seriously man, grasp REALITY!
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
Name a dynasty that didn't dissolve into nothing after they lost their Hall of Fame quarterback?
Steelers? Took them 26 years to win another after their 4th Super Bowl win of the 1979 season.
49ers? Took them 5 years after the Joe Montana dynasty and they won with Steve Young in the 1994 season, another Hall of Fame quarterack. They haven’t won since which is going on to 17 years.
Cowboys? They haven’t won since the 1995 season, meaning they are going on 16 years.
Now, the Patriots face far more adversity as far as keeping their dynasty together as ANY of the above teams. The Patriots can still win with Brady, but you act like you have all the answers BP. Instead of understanding you make general statements that anyone can think of and you wonder why it doesn’t just happen. There is more to football then just having a quarterback like Brady.
by pats4life on Mar 21, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You may have noticed
we haven’t lost our HOF QB, quite yet.
BB has dropped the ball on keeping this team on top. Simple.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
Hmmm
So it was BB’s fault that Brady missed some wide open receivers and had 7 seconds to pass before getting sacked, and threw an interception that immediately changed the momentum of the game in the playoffs? Should tell BB to get on that.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
It was his hand picked D's fault
that Sanchez threw up a 127 passer rating.
The buck stops at the genius.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What about brady "throwing a lazy int"
What about Brady having tons of time to throw in the pocket?
If you take a look at the 5 sacks, only one of the 5 came from a 5+ man blitz.
3 of them came when Brady had plenty of time in the pocket against 3 man rushes.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
You mean the defense
that faced an offense inside their own territory on all of the scoring possessions. The one that kept the team in the game until the very end? The one that ranked 8th in scoring defense for the entire year?
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Brady was hand-picked
and he threw that lazy interception. but we can’t blame Brady right?
if by "on top" you mean Super Bowl wins
then I guess the 3 he won don’t count. you sure put a lot of blame on Belichick for things the players fail to do.
why don’t you blame Kraft for employing Belichick? Why not blame the players for playing for Belichick? it is a TEAM, and everyone makes mistakes and they are all accountable for each other
Is Kraft
making the draft picks and FA signings?
At this point Kraft probably regrets signing BB just before spygate broke. We will find that out in the next year or two if he doesn’t bring home the trpohy I would suspect.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I surmise he thinks Cassel is better than him.
Obvious troll is obvious.
A great team built with many key non-BB players has deteriorated into the Colts.
Obvious failed troll who ignores facts repeatedly shown to him is still obvious, ad nauseum.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
First of all having a records of 10-6, 11-5 and 14-2 are very good considering
2008- No Brady
2009- Lost a lot of veterans
2010- All the new blood to replace veterans
Notice how we are also on an upward trend in the regular season. The rookies had their first taste at the playoffs this year. Now they are sophomores. They are a little wiser, a little stronger and better football players. We have the pieces (all of which are by BB’s selection) now we just need the time to put them in place (maybe this year, maybe next year.)
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
by Cameron O on Mar 21, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Regular season is nice.
The Colts did better in the decade at that than the Pats. But a couple of 10-6 teams have won SBs in the last 4 years.
I have no interest in crowing about how many games we win in the regular season in order to preserve BB’s bloated stature. As he likes to say I would say to him; DO YOUR JOB!
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
No, they're the only team with Tom Brady.
Because that’s all that matters in BabeParilli’s crazy little headspace.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I like you how you are just going to all my comments
and adding all the stuff I won’t say lol
That's just a fluke...
[like Brady]
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Regular Season is the indicator of success
while playoff success would be great, you’re not looking at the situation that Bill had no control over. He can’t stop Brady from throwing an int, or branch dropping the 4th-13 comeback route. He couldn’t stop the veterans from retiring, forcing him to inject the team with an abundance of talent from last year’s draft that will make the team survive post-brady, while still making us a super bowl contender for the foreseeable future. I would rather make the playoffs every year for 20 years and win 4-5 super bowls than sacrifice everything and win 6 SB’s, but be 5-11 the other years.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
what BP doesn't understand is that this is entertainment
it is entertaining for our team to be relevant every single year. to go into drafts with an abundance of picks knowing the team already kicks butt is exciting. not only are the Patriots exciting during the season, they are exciting during the offseason. all of their moves are to win a Super Bowl. BP just doesn’t like Belichick…that or he just hates that we all like Belichick so much.
BB is your Manning.
I don’t like or dislike BB. He just needs to DO HIS JOB! And that job is to win SBs, not impress us with RS wins.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
you need regular season wins to make the playoffs
I guess you would have had Belichick fired after 2002 when the Patriots missed the playoffs. Just forget that they then won 2 Super Bowls in 2003 and 2004. His job is to coach. The players job is to play. The whole organizations goal is to win the Super Bowl. YOU have this messed up in your mind. I highly doubt he is trying to impress us either lol.
All I can say is;
BB, DO YOUR JOB!
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
Making choices
that win SBs.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Protect Tom Brady from Belichick's craziness. Or something.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Beat up BB....
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
His job is to field as good a team as possible and give them
the opportunity to win the super bowl. It’s not his fault if the players then drop catchable balls or throw stupid int’s.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Of course it's his fault.
He chose them.
You want to give him the credit for the SB wins but blame the players for the failures. The buck stops at Belichick.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He gave them the opportunity to go out and win
those games. Some decisions have been questionable, but no coach consistently gives his team the best chance to win. Name one.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
I want to credit THE WHOLE TEAM
you won’t give Belichick any credit
Of course it’s his fault.
He chose them.
So Belichick’s to blame for Brady’s stupid interception, because he chose Brady?
I see.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a fade route...fyi.
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I don't think so
it was the deep comeback option route. He stopped right after the sticks.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
I just remember him stopping inside instead of outside...
hmm…do not want to watch a youtube clip….hmm
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
ok BP. nobody is saying Belichick is perfect. hell we all should cringe at the word "perfect" after what happened in 2007
but the thing is that because Belichick is held to such a high standard by people you scrutinize him harder than you do anyone else. Which team has won the most Super Bowls during Belichick’s tenure with the Patriots? The Patriots. There had to be something right with Belichick. But, just because someone does something incredible doesn’t mean he won’t make mistakes along the way. The Patriots have had some devastating losses the last 5 years and that is because of how insanely dominant they were. They were the epitome of a dynasty in a era and time that was built to discourage it. Belichick helped make this team what it was. Unfortunately we have had some crappy drafts that hindered the team, but that has a lot to do with bad drafts that come from having too much veteran talent.
I gotta ask you. In 2007, when the Patriots were absolutely positively loaded to the point that they had to go out and lay an egg and get screwed by the refs all in the same game to lose their perfect season, who was supposed to not be on that team? Randy Moss? He was part of the reason the offense was so deadly. Tedy Bruschi? Mike Vrabel? Richard Seymour? Vince Wilfork? Ty Warren? Tom Brady? Welker? Samuel? Harrison?
There is a reason why there have only been 4 dynasties in the entire history of the Super Bowl era. To make a dynasty requires the perfect culmination of talented, selfless players with more heart and determination than you will ever see in sports. The Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, and Patriots all had dynasties. To us those Patriots will forever remain in our hearts because they brought what the game was supposed to promote. Those players lived for the sweet taste of victory knowing they had given their all for their team. You can’t just replace those guys, otherwise a dynasty would never end.
Belichick is revamping the team entirely. Right now he has one guy that has that determination factor in Brady. I believe Welker has it too. These guys we see now: Brady, Welker, Wilfork, Mayo; these are the guys that have to show that will power. Every player has talent. Not every player has heart. It is up to the current player make up to rise to the challenge. It isn’t Belichick’s fault if Wilfork can’t be that guy. But I’ll tell you one thing, Wilfork sure as hell looks like he is that guy.
I don’t consider a lot of Belichick’s draft picks to be a success. He has screwed up a lot of picks. For at least now, he is gathering high round picks and building up and building up so that from now on the misses don’t hurt as bad. Missing on Maroney kills. Missing on Meriweather (it appears given recent events) kills. But that is not his draft strategy. A lot of people can see the direction he is taking his draft strategy. 2009 and 2010 were some of the best classes he has drafted in his tenure. Understanding the drafts is also important. Looking at 2007 as a failure because Meriweather and the rest of that lot weren’t impressive doesn’t tell the whole story. Moss and Welker came out of that and so did Jerod Mayo. And all of that came out of Deion Branch getting traded in 2005 because he got tampered with by Mangini.
This team has achieved the epitome of success and the lows of failure all in a decade, with all of them happening in unbelievable fashion. You can think of so many things that have happened this past decade to our beloved Patriots. If the Patriots get it together and win a couple more I’ll look back at these years as a learning experience, both for the current players and for Belichick. We know the dynasty is going to come to an end. Dispatching Belichick’s accomplishments and trying to get Belichick supporters to not like him is not what you should be doing. You can quietly be as high and might y as you want without discouraging all of us. Just remember that if the day comes that Belichick is fired and you want to come say “I told you so,” realize that the majority of us will just hope you are ok with the probably descent to oblivion this team will face. The Steelers disappeared after their dynasty. The 49ers are still working through it. The Cowboys are one of the many laughing stocks of this league for their complete lack of pride in their craft despite their immense talent. Belichick is trying his best to keep this team afloat and have good quality players with depth and a chance to win it all every year. All I could ask for more is a Super Bowl every year. Too bad their is this logic inside my brain that knows that is a ridiculous thing to expect. Hope for, yes, but not expect.
by pats4life on Mar 21, 2011 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tl;dr
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what that means? lol
I am confused again
If you're of the opinion that Brady is perfect, thus any failure is anyone but Brady's fault...
Then you’d never be happy with anything that doesn’t fulfill that crazy little idea. Or something.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 21, 2011 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Manning
hasn’t been the Colt’s problem. Their problem is the same as ours has been in recent years. Their D sucks.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
and Belichick is getting the defense back to not sucking
you are just impatient
My patience ran out
a few years ago.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
but the defense a few years ago was the same one that won Super Bowls
where were you then? why is your hindsight so good? oh, yeah, that’s right, cause everyone’s is lol
It wouldn't make much sense
to complain when you are winning SBs, would it?
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
a few years ago
when they went to the Super Bowl, you weren’t complaining
Going to a SB
means nothing to me. Winning them does. I was starting to complain before then.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Then jump on the Jets bandwagon.
Their coach says they’ve already won their 3rd in a row.
Plus their draft record over the last couple of years has been superb.
…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH sorry, I couldn’t control it any longer. Sanchez at 5? Shonn Greene getting replaced by Ladainian “3.0 ypc and money in January” Tomlinson, Vlad Ducasse becoming the rock at LG, Gholston = Lawrence Taylor…
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was complaining BEFORE it was mainstream.
wait….
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 22, 2011 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we should just fire BB
and go back to our mediocre ways….
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
You're assuming BB
is the reason we aren’t mediocre anymore. That isn’t necessarily so.
Do you really think if say a Cowher or Parcells took over this team they would immediately go into the toilet?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
How were the Pats when Parcells left? they sucked
How are the Fins w. Parcells running the GM job? aside from being 11-5 in 08 w. the easiest schedule…they suck.
Cowher-..really?
Cowher’s record as a head coach is 149-90-1 (161-99-1 including playoff games).
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Well, Parcells
didn’t have Brady. Or do you think Bledsoe was just as good?
Cowher didn’t have Brady either.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You think
Parcells would have drafted Brady?
Dude has a requirement for drafting a QB.
He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.
He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.
He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as "the guy" for some period of time.
He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games.
Brady is 2/4…..heck no.1 criteria is up for debate..in that cause Brady is 1/4.
Only two teams send scouts to scout Brady-Chargers and the Patriots. The QB at the time really liked Brady as a project…Bill could have said no.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
The Chargers only sent guys
because one of the coaches at the time wanted Brady for his college team 4 years earlier.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
But I remember the 01 america’s game where BB was talking about their old qb coach, who died, wanting Brady and BB sending scouts to the combine to scout Brady.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Yeah, it was the QB coach in San Diego.
I think it was Mike Reiley.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
*Riley
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bill wanted to move on from Bledsoe,
So any QB with a throwing arm was looked at.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
There were two coaches who wanted him then...one (your guy) from the Chargers
and one guy (who i’m talking about ) was the qb coach back in 2000 and 2001 before he died in 2001…can’t remember his name. He was the one who really wanted Brady.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I think they were looking at any QB who could throw.
Move on the above-average Bledsoe-Parcells era, to one of Belichick’s own creation.
But yeah, only two teams, and really only 2 guys on those teams’ staff.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
on the “they were looking at any qb who could throw”
If that is the case, they would have drafted a QB in the 2nd-5th round.
They wanted a smart qb who took less risks.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Looking at, not necessarily targeting.
Same reason I assume they are looking at everyone with the potential to play OLB, but only targeting a select few of those guys.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea
if Parcells would have taken Brady. Somebody probably would have. I know Brady was incensed he didn’t get drafted sooner.
BB sent a scout to look at Brady, and the scout said draft him. So credit the scout. If he didn’t recommend him, no HOF Pat’s QB.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
There are more than 300 players to scout
You think every HC scouts all of them?
No…he sends his personal to do the job. Then when he reads what they have to report, they either watch their private workouts or BB watches his tape.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
At the moment, Belichick's touring Florida.
I guess he’s personally viewing all the important prospects for the top 3 rounds. Brady was never rated that highly, and circa 2000 Bill might have had his hands full reorganising the entire team, rather than just trying to find 10 or so elite players.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
if Brady had gotten 1st overall
do you think he would have had the same drive and determination to prove everyone wrong?
just trying to get more puzzle pieces here
BB sent a scout to look at Brady, and the scout said draft him. So credit the scout. If he didn’t recommend him, no HOF Pat’s QB.
Belichick’s scouts are personally groomed and taught what to look for by Belichick. Belichick and the Pats aren’t attached to any of the three pro scouting organisations – they’re entirely down to Belichick’s whims.
So no. Credit Belichick.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
and then we're back to
WHO BROUGHT IN BRADY?
I’ll give you 3 choices
1. Space Obama
2. Bill Belichick andcompany
3. You
This will help with the puzzle pieces
by pats4life on Mar 22, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
ohmygosh could you people freakin' rec this?!
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by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 22, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Fine, I green'd it.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 22, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm showing you some love!
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 22, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
my apologies
my brain is dyslexic again and I’m confused.
Appreciate the love coco!
But I AM Space Obama
So 1 and 3 are the same. Hmpf.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions
LOLOLOLOL
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're going to credit BB as brilliant
for getting Brady rather than just being dumbass lucky, then you have to slam him for every low draft pick that didn’t work out. Oh, I forgot, it only works one way for him in your eyes.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Uh huh.
Or you could just look at his general body of work in the 6th, 7th and UFA areas and realise he’s a lot more consistent in his great pickups than most other GMs.
Brady. Cassel. Gary Guyton. BenJarvus Green-Ellis. David Givens. Dan Koppen. Banta-Cain. Patrick Pass. Steve Neal. Lonie Paxton. Matt Chatham. Randall Gay. Eric Alexander. Kyle Eckel. Mike Wright. Ray Ventrone. Robbie Gould. Ryan O’Callaghan. Patrick Cobbs. Pierre Woods. Matt Gutierrez. Matthew Slater. Ryan Wendell. Julian Edelman. Myron Pryor. Brandon Deaderick. Ted Larsen. Thomas Welch. Zoltan Mesko.
All guys who were good enough to make the roster of teams good enough to win 3 Super Bowls, make 4 Super Bowls, get to the playoffs every year but two.
Whatevs.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mesko was a 5th rounder i believe.
not that it eliminates what you said. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Patriots didn't win in 2002
and they had Brady. what happened BP?
so when Brady played his best the team didn't succeed?
has my whole life been a lie!?
It wasn't his best,
but….
you need D to win as well. Which is where Hoodie has been lacking.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
gotta give it some time to develop
I agree with you that he messed up. But there is no easy fix to it.
too long; didn't read
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
mmhmm
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
High and mighty?
Spare me. I call ‘em as I see ’em. Forget the dynasty. It’s ancient history. Live in the now. Four years from now you will be crowing about how BB has won 3 SBs in 15 years. Five years after that how he won 3 in 20 years. As I have shown before, his greatest success came with many key players he did not acquire.
He has been an average drafter and probably worse as a FA signer. That isn’t going to make a dynasty or win a SB. Fear Brady going, not the overrated Belichick.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
"As I have shown before, his greatest success came with many key players he did not acquire"
I think this is all I have left for you BP. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Feel free to laugh with me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Aiight dammit i will..............
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
it is nice to have a good laugh
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA
Did I slap this ridiculous idea 50 ways from Sunday?
Oh man.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
ahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
What more do I have to do to prove BabeParilli wrong?
Post the entire roster, broken into Belichick guys and non-Belichick guys, from 2001, 2003 and 2004?
Oh wait. I did that.
Post all the starters, broken into Belichick guys and non-Belichick guys, from 2001, 2003 and 2004?
Oh wait. I did that, too.
But because BabeParilli says so, something something [insert ridiculous Belichick slur] must be true!
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the thing is
he has made it up in his mind that Belichick is the enemy. He does not like Belichick. He believes Belichick can do nothing good. He only points to the badness. Sure, it is entertaining as heck to all of us. But, entering expecting to change BP is a joke. Knowing that you won’t allows for more lulz
by pats4life on Mar 22, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's always amusing to see him use 'facts'
Such brilliant ones as: “No U” and “He sucks because Super Bowls”.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Super Bowls?
isn’t the only reason BP holds him to that standard because of the earlier Super Bowls? Isn’t the reason Brady is a Hall of Famer because of those Super Bowls? Circular logic much? Just getting all the puzzle pieces
No.
Brady is bound for the HOF for much more than Super Bowls. Duh.
But you aren’t the most inane here. That is reserved for the dense kiwi.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Didn't realise bringing facts to the table was considered 'inane' in your world.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was a Hall of Famer the instant he hoisted that 3rd Lombardi trophy
he became the best ever for everything he had done in addition to that.
Not really.
If he had purely stank after the 3rd Lombardi or got a career ending injury I doubt very much he would go to the HOF.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
pats4life everyone laughs at him
he gets abused on multiple forums he just doesnt know enough about football the patriots or how it all works. everything is bb’s fault. hahahahaha you are wasting your time on this one.
by brady12mvp3 on Mar 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BP has good points
but that statement only brought out one response from me, laughter!
true but not when it comes to BB
and what he does for this team where it would be without him. when it comes to BB he is as out there as anyone can be.
we are currently putting the puzzle pieces together trying to understand BP
so far he hasn’t supplied with enough pieces
Hey troll
go post under multiple names back at your other forum.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
He posts here quite often
he is by no means a troll.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
by Cameron O on Mar 21, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I only have 1 screenname on both forums
here it is brady12mvp3 and at the other forum its brady12mvp2.
what is the other forum
always looking for more pats websites.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
its not a very good one cameron
its a public forum called masslive.com patriots forum. its infested with trolls. its much much better here.
Yeah,
you start any of that multi-personality posting here they will mercifully end that in a heartbeat.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't let the facts
get in the way of your mirth.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
I have my list of facts
you have yours.
interpreting them the way you do isn’t going to change my view. If I find your interpretation hilarious I will laugh, just like you can at mine
by pats4life on Mar 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Your facts
are doo doo, and are not pertinent facts.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can say the same thing about your facts.
Most of us at PP, agree with CS and P4L….or else they would have rec’d your comments instead of theirs.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
by NinjaZX6R on Mar 21, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand
what the majority thinks. I don’t loathe them because they are dead wrong.
My facts are to the point. The other facts are cheap tricks to mask the truth. Who the hell cares how many scrubs BB had picked on the team. The term starter is lame in this regard as well. I gave the names of the key players and proved my point that up to half the team that mattered was not his choosing and even more the pro bowlers.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I guess you and I and most of pats fans here are at a cross road.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
by NinjaZX6R on Mar 21, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand why
people think the way they do. I am a little surprised at the blind loyalty shown BB though. I would think once the facts are examined some would change their view, even a little, but, not much of that. Misplaced loyalty I’m afraid.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright...here
Let’s do it.
Let’s split the blame for our last 2 playoff loses to both Brady and BB.
BB had a bad game plan and Brady really sucked. Just because Brady has had 2 bad playoff games…I’m not screaming for him to be traded.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Trade Brady if you think
he’s the problem. But that still leaves us with BB’s shitty D.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to trade Brady or Fire BB.
that’s “shitty” d is full of rookies and 2nd year players. Last time I checked, they are rookies and 2nd year players. You expect them to be all pro and in the pro-bowl?
That’s an unrealistic expectation. But I do believe that this defense will be a vast improvement over last year’s if the idiots on both sides can get a CBA passed in a month or so before training camp.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
*shitty D that finished 8th in scoring
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
I think the defense is the problem
but I don’t think getting rid of the guy making it better is as brilliant of an idea as you do
Debby Belichick, is that you?
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 22, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
4th-and-two

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahaha
inside joke.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 25, 2011 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Big hands.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant about 808 and man.
Nothing to do with hands or Matt Light.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 25, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction.
You’re really funny woman.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
well if the starters don't matter who does?
the “key players” that you arbitrarily choose to support your ridiculous hypothesis? need an answer for the puzzle
C'mon, give me a break.
You can’t possibly be that stupid. You know who the best players on those teams were, and many of them were not BB’s guys. Do you people actually believe your own BS?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Because NOW is when you conveniently forget your massive Brady crush. Right.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
This is why
I don’t bother with you kiwi.
Because this is actually one of your better arguments. That’s how inane your usual reasoning is.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Because you can't.
Over and over, I show your ridiculous assertions to be completely rooted in fantasy by showing the facts, and over and over you retreat and just say “I can’t deal with you”.
Well done. Funny how everyone’s beginning (or has been for a while, but that’s another story) to think you’re a complete joke.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Show him your magical rock!!!
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
You've shown NOTHING
over and over except that you are delusional and incapable of addressing an issue with substance that speaks to the truth of the matter instead of supporting your warped wish list of reality.
Your relying on a roster list to show your lover BB’s competence in team building betrays your logic as that of a kindergartener. Which actually is par for the course for you since you try to convince the world at large that the Pat’s D was just swell allowing Sanchez a 127 passer rating.
The fact is you are virtually clueless regarding this game kiwi. Of course anybody who thinks Cassel is better than Brady is the epitome of football brain-dead.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Fine Debbie
Show me your list of players that belong to Bill Parcells and Pete Carrol.
Oh btw, How many SB did Parcells win? The answer 2. How many did he win without Bill Belichick as his D-coord. Answer 0.
How many Superbowls did BB win without Parcells. Answer 3.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
if you didn't have a roster,
how could you build a team?
is this a kindergardener’s understanding or just plain logic?
i mean, with no roster, there is no team! you need PEOPLE to make a roster BP!!!! you NEED THEM!!!
really BP, your arguments are getting a little inane lately.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
So they MUST be BBs own guys then? What kind of logic is that?
Teams pick up guys from other teams all the time. Its not like BB is not a great coach for it. Great coachess pick up the necessary guys to have their teams win games.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
by Jack'sAxe on Mar 25, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BabeParilli logic ™.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Sorry Jack.
Nobody is discounting guys BB picked up. I am saying guys were already there that constituted a large portion of his SB winners that he did not bring.
Read the thread and don’t take one post out of context.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Guys that were already there..... that he did not bring...
but we are talking about the BB era. Every coach takes up the reigns of another when they come in. That still doesnt make BB a bad coach. Sorry.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
BP is trying to say Belichick isn't a good personnel manager
because the moves he had made have not brought the Patriots a Super Bowl in 6 years. coaching isn’t the problem
really? Not a good personel manager?
Then how the hell do we win 10+ games every year with people BB signs and rookies he drafts, and get into the playoffs pretty much every year (where its a do or die thing. pretty tough to win it all from there), gets picks in the future, and restocks his team, and trades players away and releases players, and manages money, and we STILL are playoff contenders?
If he says that he isnt a good personnel manager… where is the support for this?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
If he says that he isnt a good personnel manager… where is the support for this?
BabeParilli.com
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
No, BabeParilli.com would belong to the actual BabeParilli
not some curmudgeonly old coot with a man-crush on Brady and a deep-seated hatred of Belichick for being BFFs with Brady instead of BabeParilli.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think Wikipedia could've wrote it any better than that.
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Mar 25, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Richard Seymour? Vince Wilfork? Ty Warren? Matt Light?
Tom Brady? Deion Branch? Rodney Harrison? Corey Dillon?
Pretty sure Belichick got all those guys to the team. Actually I’m not pretty sure. I am 100% sure. Oh yeah, add Asante Samuel and Dan Koppen.
by pats4life on Mar 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did I say BB didn't provide any players on thise teams?
What the hell is wrong with you? Can’t you read?
I have said up to half of the key players on the SB run teams were not BB’s.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
that is 10 players.
half weren’t his, so that means that there are 10 more that Belichick had nothing to do with. name them for me please since there is something “wrong” with me and I “can’t read”
The entire O-line, the entire D-line
Half the OLBs, half the secondary, all the RBs, WRs and TEs, the QBs.
Which weren’t picked by Belichick again? I forget.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
English 101.
When I say;
“up to half of the key players on the SB run teams were not BB’s”
that means, that if at any time during the run there were as many as half the key players that were not of BB’s choosing on those teams my statement is correct.
Name me 9 key players from the 2001 team that BB brought to the team and I will modify my statement.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Douchebag 101
when trying to make yourself seem smart, make sure to use a condescending tone as if you are talking down to the subject. this will project a sense of superiority on the subject matter at hand, while also making the listener feel angry, frustrated , and shamed.
protip: use 101 in the title to convey a basic course and make yourself the professor.
for example: BP, Professor of Douchebaggery.
for further study, we recommend Advanced Toolness 202, Popped Collars 303, and How to Cause an Oil Spill 404.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I wish I could rec this twice
someone make this green!
Hahahaha
Wonderful.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Play the martyr just a little more, I'm sure people care.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks professor!
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tenure Professor.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
You see us as you want to see us,
in the simplest terms,
in the most convenient definitions.
But what we found out, is that each one of us…
is a lynx,
and a kiwi,
and a ninja,
a dawg,
a confused negative n****e
and a tolly.
WE are JAT
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey
and a belt ;)
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
pics or GTFO....oh wait
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I don't want to go to prison.
:)
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I'm pretty sure they don't allow you to keep your belt in prison.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget a 'roo.
"All truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
Debbie...here is the list.
1) Tom Brady
2) JR Redmond.
3) Matt Light
4) Richard Seymour
5) Bobby Hamiton (brought in by BB)
6) Mike Vrabel (brought in by BB; decided that if things didn’t work out in NE, he would retire and go back to Ohio State.
7) Roman Phifer. (see no 5)
8) Joe Andruzzi (see no. 5)
9) Mike Compton (see no.5)
10) Larry Izzo.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Name me 9 key players from the 2001 team that BB brought to the team and I will modify my statement.
- Tom Brady
- Antowain Smith (top rusher, most yards from scrimmage)
- Marc Edwards (second top rusher)
- JR Redmond (3 important catches in a row in Snow Bowl game, 3 receptions in Super Bowl-winning drive)
- David Patten (3rd most yards from scrimmage)
- Matt Light (starting LT)
- Greg Robinson-Randall (starting RT)
- Joe Andruzzi (starting RG)
- Mike Compton (starting LG)
- Bobby Hamilton (starting LE, most sacks)
- Anthony Pleasant (starting DT, second-most sacks)
- Mike Vrabel (starting OLB, 4th-most sacks, 4th most interceptions)
- Roman Phifer (starting ILB, 2 sacks, 1 pick, 2 fumbles forced, 2nd most tackles)
- Otis Smith (starting CB, most interceptions (5), 2 TDs, 2 fumbles recovered)
- Terrell Buckley (1 sack, 3 picks, 1 TD, 7 passes defensed)…
Should I continue, or are you actually going to stick to your word and modify your statement? I won’t hold my breath.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a
sack of rocks that know more about this team than you.
Edwards – ran the ball 51 times. I said key players kiwi.
Redmond – a bust of a scrub your lover pissed away a 3rd round pick on. I said key players kiwi.
Buckley – started one game. I said key players kiwi.
Compton – I said key players kiwi.
Randall – I said key players kiwi.
I’ll make it easier for you kiwi. Since what a key player is so hard to grasp for you. Name 9 players better than the 9 I named. Maybe you can handle that.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 26, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Debbie
Did Bill stiff you of alimony or something?
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
alimony payments **
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
"better" being a matter of opinion. I deal with facts.
Redmond won a Super Bowl Ring, and he did it by making HUGE plays in both the AFCG and SB.
You’re so quick to say how wonderful Brady is, but the fact is he won his SB in his gamewinning drive in 2001 by throwing to “a bust of a scrub”.
He hasn’t won a SB in many years. Maybe you should be praying a bit harder for another “bust of a scrub” who can actually catch the ball in a Super Bowl.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
excellent professor!
denying facts with opinion, and equating the two!
this right here is why YOU are the professor, teaching us the “subtle” art of douchebaggery.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you arguing that he already had good players to start with?
Im sorry, but if those players were so GOOD, then why could the pats win it the previous year? Or the year before that? There is so much flaw in that argument BP.
BB came in, and turned us into superbowl winners. I, for one, have proof of this.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
"have proof of this"
yeah, it is called the 3 Super Bowl wins!
nooo, you lie. It is all brady. even though cassel did a great job too..... but it was all brady.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
LMAO Fail
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Jack.
The discussion is whether BB has been a good team builder.
His years of success, winning SBs, are years that major parts of the teams were not built by him. And since the team has been entirely built by him there has been no such success.
The biggest reason the team won with those players when BB arrived and did not win before BB arrived was the acquisition of Brady with the luckiest draft pick in history.
That is not to say BB has no team building skills whatsoever. He just can’t build a SB winner with players entirely of his choosing. That makes him just an okay team builder rather than a great one.
Maybe the next couple of years will change that bottom line, but as of now, that is the bottom line.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Debbie,
2001 roster:
50 out of 63 players on Pats were Belichick pick-ups.
15 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
2003 roster
55 out of 63 players on roster were Belichick pick-ups
18 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
2004 roster
56 out of 63 players on the roster were Belichick pick-ups
20 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
That list proves that he gutted the team he inherited in 2000, using draftees and FA picks ups….the fact that 18 and 22 starters of SB 38 and 39 were Bill’s players proves you wrong.
Shrug
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
His years of success, winning SBs, are years that major parts of the teams were not built by him. And since the team has been entirely built by him there has been no such success.
Logical fail. The team still isn’t ‘entirely’ built by him by your twisted logic, because Kevin Faulk is still around.
And if you can ignore the fact Kevin Faulk is around, then your entire logic is flawed – if you can ignore 1 guy from pre-Belichick days to bash Belichick, why can’t you ignore the dozen from 2001, or the 8 from 2003, or the 7 from 2004?
Because it would mean you have to give up your Belichick-bashing. That’s why.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahahaha
see BP, you can be funny hahahahahhaa
How old are you?! Did you seriously just say doo doo? I loves it.
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 22, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Old enuff for ur mom!
Swish.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions
My mom is 62. So right on.
Lynx does not fall far from the cougar tree!
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 22, 2011 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions
It'd be a long drop

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Good thing a lynx always lands on her feet!
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 22, 2011 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Or someone else's lap?
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully not both. That'd be awkward.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Lap..ahahahahhahah
no tickling though…..
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Tickle Me Coco!
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So
The answer is what? 9 ? 10?
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I was a Pat's fan
starting in 1966. You know, way before you bandwagon boys came around.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
That's Belichick's fault, too.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's BB fault that Tom Brady suffered a knee injury in 2008.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
But the O-line is so awesome?!
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sammy Morris = John Hannah
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 26, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong again Debbie.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
dude sometimes fans come during the glory years
and then stick around. if they disappear you will be right but have nobody to talk to. that’s no fun.
You should've been born earlier, of course
How dare you!
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a fan of the raiders as well just to let you know. So I stick by my team win or lose, including the pats.
I suggest stop bashing people’s fanhood, and stick with the topic BP. You are not going anywhere with ths, and its completely asinine.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
by Jack'sAxe on Mar 26, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well I've been a Patriots fan since I was 4 because
my dad grew up in Boston, and even though I grew up 30 mins from NYC, I still always wore my Patriots gear (still have my junior Lawyer Milloy Jersey) and I’ve been through a losing season (2000) so for you to insinuate that just because we think BB is doing a great job head coaching the best team during his tenure is idiotic, childish and ignorant.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
I guess
you are true blue then.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny
my high schools are called the “blues” and the school i’m most likely gonna go to has school colors of blue and white.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Im a bandwagon boy?
Im sorry, I was 13 (or younger) when the pats won 2001 superbowl, and I didnt get into football until I was around 15-16 when they lost to the broncos in the playoffs. Hell, I only watched the superbowl for the commercials. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
because we are not old
we are not allowed to have an understanding of football or the Patriots
Apparently not.
Mike Reiss better quit. BP knows more than him because he is older, and better watch out…..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
by Jack'sAxe on Mar 25, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Get back to me
when you watch them go through a 1-15 season and are still a fan.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
uh.... dude
i am also a raiders fan if you havent heard, and I stuck by them through the worst. So dont talk to me about fanhood.
I’ll stick by them, and instead of questioning my fanhood, I suggest you stick with the topic that you are so lacking with any points.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
by Jack'sAxe on Mar 26, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Owned.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Raider's fan?
You have issues.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 26, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
good work professor!
tearing down an argument by pointing out things that have nothing to do with the facts at hand!
will this be on the test?
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What argument are you talking about?
We were talking about being loyal to a team even when they have bad years. And this guy by definition can’t be loyal to a team – he has 2.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 26, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, loyalty
Still a bugbear, Debbie?
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am loyal to 2. I am living proof.
And if you asked me the question: “Who would you rather win if they faced each other,” I would normally go on a rampage due to how many times i have answered this question, but just to answer it ahead of time, the truth is, I wouldnt care. Its a win win for me.
Now stop judging someone’s fanhood due to age. Age has nothing to do with loyalty. Some are young, and follow football when they are ready, and sometimes that so happens to be when they are winning. I, for one, started following football in 06.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
hey professor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr-xsQvhgw&feature=related
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
lolololololololololololol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Wait...
He has issues because he still sticks with a team that goes 1-15?
Get back to me
when you watch them go through a 1-15 season and are still a fan.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 27, 2011 9:51 AM NZDT up reply actions
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Go to hell.
You first bash my fanhood of the pats, and NOW that you find out that I also root for the raiders just as equally, and that I do plan on dedicating myself to the pats as well till the day I die, you retort with:
“You have issues.”
What right do you have to call out someone’s fanhood? Is this your way of getting around our topic, or do you just think you are so high in mighty due to being a fan longer than most of us who werent even born in that time span?
Get over yourself.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
by Jack'sAxe on Mar 26, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is Debbie Downer
he she has every right to do so.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
even more so professor....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr-xsQvhgw&feature=related
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
why is that to me if I may ask? 0.o
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
i was showing that you owned him
your comment was pretty much a SLAP to the professor’s face.
the video was a visual representation of that.
ps. im a broncos fan :O
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 27, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh sweet. XD
And dont worry, you guys are our least hated. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
and raider fans do get touchy when other question their fanhood.
Us raider fans are extremely loyal to our team, and O also have that kind of loyalty to the pats. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
So I would tend to get upset (and angry)
when others question my fanhood, especially when they bring out the “age” thing…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
that def was uncalled for
the one thing noone here should be doing is questioning fanhood.
oh yeah?
first he says:
Get back to me
when you watch them go through a 1-15 season and are still a fan.
Which is sort of questioning of fanhood. I told him that he should stick with the topic, instead of saying that he knows more because he has been a longer fan, and that we are “bandwagon.” as stated:
I was a Pat’s fan
starting in 1966. You know, way before you bandwagon boys came around.
The go to hell part may have been un-called for, I would agree. But I also said this:
You first bash my fanhood of the pats, and NOW that you find out that I also root for the raiders just as equally, and that I do plan on dedicating myself to the pats as well till the day I die, you retort with:
"You have issues."
What right do you have to call out someone’s fanhood? Is this your way of getting around our topic, or do you just think you are so high in mighty due to being a fan longer than most of us who werent even born in that time span?
Plus, raider fans in general can get pissed when people question their loyalty. Loyalty is something us raider fans take pride in, so I do apologize if by me saying “go to hell,” was uncalled for.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
dude I was agreeing with you
I meant BP questioning your fandom was uncalled for.
It's not in Jack'sAxe's nature not to apologise for calling someone a rude name
Even if it was completely called for and way more polite than most people would have been, haha.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Mar 27, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Bam!
Glad I can provide. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Oh okay. XD
I fail. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
No Pat's fan can
be a Raider fan. Darrel Stingley dood. Screw the Raiders forever.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't born at that time...
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
you questioned mine,
or have you forgotten?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I am truly sorry.
But anybody who is not exclusively a Pat’s fan, isn’t a Pat’s fan. We don’t accept or need partial loyalty.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I am loyal to both teams. I dont care.
You can’t sit in your chair at your computer, telling others they can’t be fans because of YOUR specific and selfish reasons. I became a fan of the pats after they lost to the broncos, and I became a fan of the raiders due to my good relationship with my step dad. I root for both teams. I love both teams equally, so don’t question my fanhood Babe, because you would not only not understand, but are incapable of accepting anything that goes beyond your own beliefs.
And now for the record, I could give a s**t about whether you accept my fanhood of the pats and raiders, because you will have to live with it. Hell, since I am loyal to both teams, and you consider me a “partial” fan, I as well as other’s who you seem to think they are not as worthy as you are with fanhood, are shutting down everything you are saying. Maybe you need to take a step back, and actually and think that “Hey, maybe I wasn’t as right as I thought I was,” or “Hey, maybe there are true, and loyal pats fans that aren’t the same age as me.”
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
by Jack'sAxe on Mar 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jack's Axe is a very valuable member to this blog as a Patriots fan
but him also being a fan of the Raiders helps him with perspective. My older brother is a Broncos fan, which helps me gain perspective into other teams. Come game day the team you cheer for is the one you’re the most of a fan. If Jack’s Axe cheers for the Raiders in a game against the Patriots then for that game he is my enemy (lol) but that doesn’t mean I write off his opinion or his fandom for it
and I would want to say
even though I have said this many times, that when the pats and raiders face each other, i wont be blogging for that week if the posts involve the pats and raiders (except MAYBE when asking questions and such).
I am going to be VERY neutral. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
well I am not questioning you man
BP is set in his ways though
I know you were not. XD
Just explaining what I plan to do in the circumstance. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
do they play this upcoming season?
with all the draft stuff and CBA crap going on I’ve completely forgotten the Pats schedule for 2011-2012
They would.
If we have football. At least thats what I heard.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
AFC west are in the rotation.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 29, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We play Oakland and Denver on the road.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35008/opponents-for-the-2011-season
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Mar 29, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh snap.
You guys get to talk to my fellow raider bloggers. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Nah, we're not gonna be doing that.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 30, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not looking forward to the KC-NE love fest.
I hate teams that don’t hold/have a grudge against us!
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Mar 30, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no reason to like the Chiefs
so I can try and hate on them for that game
Yes you will.
BBS commands it.
0.0
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Ewwwwwww, Raiders
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 30, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
BURN HIM!!!!
/
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
So...I'm a bandwagon
because I wasn’t born in the 50’s or 60’s???
LOL. I started rooting for the Patriots when I got interested in football as a kid..oh I lived in NH at the time.
Yeah..let’s fire BB and go back to the dark ages
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Kraft is the key.
As long as he is in charge things will be pretty good, BB or no BB.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Kraft is the key?
really??…funny..he fired one Pete Caroll…how did that experiment go in NE?
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Um didn't we show you that actually the majority of the starters were on the team.
CS had the stats, and I think it was either 16 or 19 of our starters were brought in by BB for the first super bowl victory, and the second and third were even higher percentages. And show me a coach who has been a better drafter in the past ten years.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
maybe the Packers
and actually Belichick is copying off of them
The Kiwi's stats were BS.
I clearly showed up to half the key players during those years were not BB guys.
"The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything." Bill Lee
your idea of "not BB guys" is the problem
you won’t be specific enough to define what makes a player “(insert name)’s guy”
fact is comedic sans proved him wrong
on the list of bb’s guys. when bb got here in 2000 him and pioli cleaned house. more then 80 percent of the 2001 team were signed drafted or aquired by bb and most of the starters were bb’s guys that is a fact he cant dispute and when he does he makes himself look foolish.
by brady12mvp3 on Mar 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wrong.
As always.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Big boys use evidence.
Just sayin’.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I use evidence BP
and so does CS and Ninja and everyone else. It is our personal interpretations of the information that you disagree with
by pats4life on Mar 24, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You and the brain-dead kiwi
have used no pertinent evidence.
If you want to cling to BB having a bunch of scrubs on the bench that were his choosing to justify your delusion that he is a team building genius, feel free. Or if you want to count the “starters” to bullshit yourself into the same lame delusion, feel free. But don’t expect me to join you in your fantasy.
I stated that up to half the key players on the SB teams were not of his choosing and you ppl have scraped up every iota of nonsense to kid yourselves like you always do.
Name me 9 better players than Woody, Brown, Faulk, McGinist, Bruschi, Johnson, Milloy, Law and Vinatieri during the 2001 start of the dynasty run.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Hahaha, you're a bad joke, dude.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so backups are scrubs
and starters don’t matter. earlier you used Pro Bowls. all I have to say to that is I am sorry for you. Pro Bowls are the most asinine measurement of a player there is in the league. It is a popularity contest and nothing more. Brandon Meriweather made it this year, and he isn’t even the ebst safety on the Patriots. Just likes MVP awards and POY awards, Pro Bowls should not be the be all end all to deciding how good a player was.
Also, the play-makers you refer to for all the Patriots Super Bowl teams didn’t make many Pro Bowls themselves. They were STARTERS, just starters that you choose to accept because it fits your Belichick hate.
I didn't say
starters didn’t matter. I’m saying starters can be a misleading measure as well.
So give me the 9 guys from 2001 or STFU.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
BP is mad at me. of all the people that entertain your craziness BP you lose your cool with me?
Ninja, you owe me 50 bucks
I did.
Doesn’t mean I’m mad at you.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 26, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I live to chat with you.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You missed the TCAP part.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Let's see
2001 roster:
50 out of 63 players on Pats were Belichick pick-ups.
15 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
2003 roster
55 out of 63 players on roster were Belichick pick-ups
18 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
2004 roster
56 out of 63 players on the roster were Belichick pick-ups
20 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
Shrug
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
You do understand
that the scrubs don’t matter, right? Their impact is a very small percentage of the whole, right? It’s the top 15-25 players that determine the outcome, right?
You understand that the starting QB is way more important than the 3rd string LT, right?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
these "scrubs"
15 starters in sb 36, 18 starters out of 22 starters in sb 38 and 20 out of 22 starters in sb 38 won the superbowl as starters….
wrong again.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Lulz
You mean like that guy JR Redmond, who only had 119 yards rushing and 130 yards receiving in the 2001 season, but then got all the important yards in both the Snow Bowl game-winning drive, and then the 2001 Super Bowl game-winning drive?
He doesn’t matter at all, right? Because he’s a scrub, right?
Tell that to the Ring.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Try to grasp this concept.
Any particular guy having a good performance in a particular game does not make them a key player to the team.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 26, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Says the guy who rips Belichick for 'not performing in playoffs'?
And the guy who rips Manning for ‘not performing in playoffs’?
Make up your mind, Debbie.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
no, it just makes them key to that game
and the game is key to the….success of the team….so without that player…..the team would….not….have…succeeded……
oh, i get it, you’re an idiot.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure being a key player in the Super Bowl makes you important...
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when you said Vinatieri > Gostkowski because of 'clutch'
Redmond > anyone because of ‘clutch’, then.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no, you see, you can only be key to a team if you help them succeed at the overarching goal of the superbowl
that means you have to help them when it counts the most. like in a championship game or something.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Woody, Brown, Faulk, McGinist, Bruschi, Johnson, Milloy, Law and Vinatieri during the 2001 start of the dynasty run.
- Woody < Mankins or Light. Hell, he left and the Pats won two more Super Bowls – he clearly wasn’t that key.
- Brown = Branch + Givens, and Brown was converted by Belichick from a special teamer to a WR. Belichick’s Brown >> Parcells/Carrol Brown.
- Faulk < Dillon. Hell, Faulk < Redmond in the 2001 Super Bowl. And Faulk was a failure as an every-down RB who Belichick turned into a stud 3rd down back. Belichick’s Faulk >> Parcells/Carrol Faulk.
- McGinest. The guy who hugged Marshall Faulk and took a Pats D TD off the board and gave the Rams a shot at scoring on the drive, again? Give me Richard Seymour in that game.
- Belichick’s Bruschi > Parcells/Carrol Bruschi. ILB >>> DE/OLB, and that was a total conversion job by Belichick.
- Milloy < Rodney Harrison.
- Law was a once in a lifetime CB… except he only emerged in 1996 under the tutelage of his position coach… a guy who just happens to be Bill Belichick. Go figure.
- Vinatieri < Gostkowski. Gostkowski may not have kicked Super Bowl winners yet, but neither had Vinatieri at the same point in his career, and Gostkowski’s kicking average is superior.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only one I would disagree there with is Milloy=Harrison
two very different very good players. Other than that, all good.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Yeah, that's a push
But the fact is that Hot Rod stepped in and set records immediately (140 tackles by a D-back in 2003) and won the Div-round playoff game with that pick of McNair, and then had a pick of P. Manning and forced a fumble in the AFC championship game.
Milloy was good, but Harrison was seemingly an upgrade, which was almost impossible to imagine. And the fact Harrison won two Super Bowls and Milloy only the one, I called it Harrison’s way.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And Vinatieri should have cost us the Carolina Super Bowl.
He’d already missed/blocked 2 FGs, so should never have had to kick the winner.
But his tying kick in the Snow Bowl/Tuck Rule game is the greatest FG of all time, although the SB 36 winner was the better kick.
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by insertscreenname on Mar 26, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Kiwi,
you are utterly and completely mad. Not only do you think Cassel is better than Brady, but you think Gost is better than the greatest clutch kicker in history. You are a wack job.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Where in any comments in PP
written by the “blind kiwi” has he said that Cassel is better than Brady??…I’ve been here since Oct 09 and I’ve never seen him say that.
Need evidence.
In terms of Gost and Adam V, I still think V in his prime was better than Gost but not since 2006. Last time i checked, Adam missed a 23 yarder in the 07 game against the Chargers after 5 head threw 6 ints. He hasn’t kicked a clutch game winning kick in years…
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I haven't
Now he’s making stuff up because he can’t actually find fault in my facts.
Utterly nonsensical straw-man argument = fail.
Not only do you think Cassel is better than Brady, but you think Gost is better than the greatest clutch kicker in history.
Learn to read.
I said:
Gostkowski may not have kicked Super Bowl winners yet, but neither had Vinatieri at the same point in his career, and Gostkowski’s kicking average is superior.
At the same point in his career, Vinatieri had blown a Super Bowl with having kicks blocked. He also hadn’t kicked any clutch kicks. Well done, BabeParilli. Your straw-man arguments suck, again. How about you tell me what I said in a completely fallacious way and then say it’s false, again? Those are always fun.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I asked him 5 times
if he was one of the ones who wanted to trade Brady and keep Cassel. He wouldn’t answer so I can only conclude he does think Brady should have been traded and Cassell kept.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 26, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Please show evidence where you ever asked me anything of the type.
You never did. So I never answered.
I never wanted to trade Brady away and keep Cassel, and I said so many times in threads. Well done, though.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad you finally
answered the question. Keep taking the high road and I may forgive you all your sins.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
let's not bring sin into the Pulpit blog
no KSI stuff here please
what the hell? Someone doesnt answer you on the internet
so you just assume, and take a conclusion from thin air??? Hell, Ninja said:
Need evidence.
So where is your evidence?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
If he looked...
He’s see me say that I never wanted to keep Cassel at the expense of Brady.
But he’s in BabeParilli-world now.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 27, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Provide evidence of your using evidence, please.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty obvious.
It’s a guy he brought to the team.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
so if Belichick got fired tomorrow
and you won the Super Bowl with the team, should we call for your head because you won with Belichick’s players?
by pats4life on Mar 22, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No.
You won.
7-10 years later, if you can’t win it and it is clear when you did it was with a large number of key players acquired by others, it is obvious that you are not the greatest team builder. At that point changes to that aspect probably need to be made.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
I don't think Belichick is trying to be the best team builder
I think he is the best coach and he drafts for guys he can coach. Again, the losses you cite are not Belichick’s fault. The players are just as responsible for showing up and doing their job too.
He's picking the players.
So if they don’t get it done, it’s on him.
He better damned well be trying to be the best team builder. He’s wearing that hat. If he feels he can’t cut it, he should get somebody who can.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
so I guess by your logic
31 teams fail every year and their coaches should be fired for it.
No.
Butt after 6 years of failure considering he has a HOF QB, some change should be made.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
his quarterback is a Hall of Famer BECAUSE of Belichick
Belichick drafted him. Belichick coached team’s won 3 Super Bowls with Brady at the helm. and why did you say “butt”?
by pats4life on Mar 25, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and 6 years of failure?
So being division winners, continued playoff contenders is considered failures now? geesh…. tough crowd…
and becoming a dynasty is no easy task either. Its amazing that we have continued to make a playoff appearance pretty much every year. I can only think of one guy who helped establish this dynasty with the use of trades and draft picks….
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Funny...
we are the only dynasty since FA started…
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
True
but a dynasty team has to win 2 back to back SB’s. Also, they have to make the playoffs as defending champs….They did not do that in 2006 and 2009.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
That isn't the definition
of a dynasty.
Got to go play some MMORPG. Will come back to talk football later. Have a great day!
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
I do not play video games.
Debbie. I used too but not anymore.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Well,
it’s a free country Nina.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 26, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhahahaha...well played...I laughed.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Do you have luftballoons, Nina?
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They're Real and They're Spectacular
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I wantz some please.
:)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
LOL
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 1, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I should slap myself
for using such tactics.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the key requirements of a dynasty
is to win back to back championships……..
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
but they didn't
Steelers lost just like the Patriots lost in 2007. Only that 2007 squad was way better assembled, it just choked. Was that Belichick’s fault?
Let's not go nuts.
That still hurts.
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by insertscreenname on Mar 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
p4
some Pat’s fans go medieval on you for calling that a choke, which it was.
That’s almost as bad as questioning the almighty brilliance of Hoodie.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Even I admit that they choked. How the hell couldn't they?
Asante broke off of his coverage on Tyree, and Harrison couldn’t rip the ball out of his hands. Asante dropped the INT, the only catch Burress had was the TD, our OL was getting destroyed almost all game.
yeah, they played better than us in the end, but we quite a few opportunities to put the game away, but we blew it, or choked.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
they were mad that I brought it up
cause it stings the most probably as much as any Patriots loss I (just speaking for myself here) have been a part of.
I am very good at getting over things
so I can’t speak for everyone here about how we feel about the loss. lol
I remember I was kind of depressed in the first 4 days though….maybe a week.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Of course
we are playoff contenders. We have a HOF QB in his prime. Hell, the Colts made the playoffs ravaged by injury because they have one of them.
Isn’t it funny how just about all the real good teams have a great QB?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
they also have great HC's
Packers had Vince Lombard, Steelers had Chuck Noll, 49ers had Bill Walsh, Cowboys had Jimmy Johnson and we have Bill Belichick.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Been down this same old lame road.
And blew that foolish notion to hell. All those guys had great players. When they didn’t, they didn’t do shit.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
It's
not a foolish notion when all dynasties have had great coaches along with great players….
Show me one dynasty w.o a great head coach.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
name 1 Hall of Fame coach that didn't have great players
they go hand in hang. GREATNESS is relative to accomplishments. To most, WINNING is the greatest accomplishment. In this case, those players and that coach were great.
Tell me how the chargers and philip rivers are
and Drew Brees (since he only has won one).
And of course real good teams usually have real good QBs. QBs are the LEADER of a team. The most important guy in a team.
Not saying a QB himself wins games for the team, as with the case of Rivers and Brees, but that it is only a key part in an offense.
As with the case of the colts, Manning has great receivers and a TE. And guess what….. they only won ONE SUPERBOWL. Not 3. They are a very good team, but not a superbowl winning team like the pats are, because we have a great coach, and a great team. And the coach is the difference between the pats and the colts.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
typo
Brady got drafted because of what HE showed in college, etc. He made the team because of what HE did in camp. He played when Bledsoe got hurt because of what HE did did at practice. He stayed on the field because of what HE did in games. He is going to the HOF because of what HE did in the NFL.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
What exactly did Brady show in college?
Brady didn’t start till his junior year and even then he has often taken out of the game for Drew Hanson. Same thing happened in his senior year.
If your statement is true, more teams would have scouted Brady….instead of 2 teams that actually showed interest.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
He showed that he could warm a bench behind Drew Henson
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
define a "BB guy"
my definition is that he either brought the guy in as a FA or drafted him+any guy that he promoted from being a career backup with the previous regime to a starter for him.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
No.
None of this he promoted a backup BS. It’s a guy he brought to the team, period.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
See, that's where we differ.
I believe if he says “you know what, you could be a starter instead of a backup” and makes guys starters, I count that, because the coach before him didn’t. That means that it was a change.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
so promoting a guy doesn't count
but the guys he drafts that become starters don’t?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are on FIRE today BP!
Wonderful logic.
I’m still wanting to know how a team with 19 of 22 starters drafted or signed by Belichick means he’s using a team built by others…
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
cause Tom Brady was a lucky pick
DUH! Can’t you understand that?
Facts:
2001 roster:
- 50 out of 63 players on Pats were Belichick pick-ups.
- 15 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
2003 roster
- 55 out of 63 players on roster were Belichick pick-ups
- 18 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
2004 roster
- 56 out of 63 players on the roster were Belichick pick-ups
- 20 out of 22 starters in SB were Belichick pick-ups
The Kiwi’s stats were BS.
I clearly showed up to half the key players during those years were not BB guys.
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by BabeParilli on Mar 22, 2011 8:56 AM NZDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Proof? Where?!
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Same old
dimwitted deceptive nonsense from the Kiwi.
WHO CARES if BB picked the scrubs. Any coach is going to ditch the bottom feeders on a roster. So even mentioning
50 out of 63 players on Pats were Belichick pick-ups.
This is just a typical tactic to prove one’s point with sheer bullshit. The scrubs don’t win the games.
And the term “starter” means dick as well. The majority of starters are filler. It’s the stars that make the big plays that win games most often. Marc Edwards was a “starter” in 2001 and carried the ball 50 times or so. Who cares.
Look at the key players over those years, especially on D, and you see much of the team was not Hoodies.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
you can't draft the stars
until you have the scrubs backing them. how would the Packers have faired this year without back-ups?
Everybody has backups.
Thee Packers didn’t win it all because of the backups. They won it despite the backups.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
despite them?
without the backups their whole team would’ve been on IR and they wouldn’t have finished the season.
your brain is giving out on you BP.
Despite the injuries
which caused then to have to play scrubs they overcame that handicap. Do I have to teach you everything?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
well those "scrubs" kept them from missing the playoffs entirely
yes! teach me more!
Well,
yeah, you do actually need to have scrubs in case yyour good players get hurt. No argument there. And every team has them. It’s like a rule or something.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
well the whole team is important
so discrediting Belichick because some of the roster wasn’t his makes no sense. all 3 of his Super Bowls were assembled far more impressively than the Packers team this year
other players contribute as well.
You forget that a TEAM wins games. Look at 2001 for example. How many stars were on that team? Not too many. Players, no matter how much they are on the field, contribute to a game in some way. Deadrick and Ron Brace contributed. SPECIAL TEAMS GUYS contribute.
The stars make the flashy/spectacular plays, but there is a whole crew behind it that helps him along the way.
So far, in terms of acquiring players that contribute, belichick does it best. He did it with Dillon, Moss, and many of them were from him who he drafted like seymour, faulk, chung, mayo, need i say more?
You call him a bad coach but hell, he is grabbing guys, and stockpiling picks for next year.
And if you want to talk about his coaching on the field, we won 14 GAMES dammit! He is the one who comes up with gameplans, contributes to what plays are being called, and he has SO MUCH responsibility on the team. With this guy, we won 14 games. Did he do it alone? Of course not, he had to acquire the players right for his system, and who he deemed a very capable starter. This involves Brady, Branch, BJGE, Tate, Gronk over Crumpler (as well as hernandez), replacing adalius thomas, and many others. He forged a team that contended for the playoffs EVERY year but two (i think).
Given how much responsibilities he has, drafting, and calling plays, making decisions at training camp and signing others, putting together good personal, establishing a code of conduct within the team, and bringing them from the seasons where we had no superbowl, to the 2000 decade where he helped make us continued playoff contendors, winning titles and 3 SBs
you are telling us he is a bad coach? Where is your logic in this?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
the reason Shanahan was let go by the Broncos was because he held all the power and the team wasn’t successful, so the Shanahan had to either justbe the coach or be fired. Bowlen fired him because he wouldn’t relinquish the power. I’m not saying that Belichick has too much power and is overwhelmed, but we might see it occur if the team doesn’t get it soon
I dont think so
As long as brady is on the team, there is no way that would happen.
The main difference between the two, is that BB is a lot better at drafting people than shannahan, and he is a lot more successful. Shannahan was also let go because he wasnt doing too much with all the power he had. BB on the other hand, is doing great things with his power, and he earns the respect from his players through it.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
exactly the point
“as long as brady is on the team”
but once he isn’t…….?
Belichick's replaced three starting QBs in his coaching tenure
Bledsoe with Brady. Brady with Cassel. Cassel with Brady.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So
the Loins lost every game one year because they didn’t have good scrubs? The Pats won 3 in four years because they had good scrubs?
The scrubs are filler. Everybody has them. The difference in the from the best team to the worst isn’t that great.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Notice how most of the guys released/waived from NE wind up starting or gameday players on other teams, consistently?
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 25, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
David Thomas was a bust!!!!
(so much of a bust that the Saints picked him up and he won a Super Bowl).
Totally can’t draft, yo.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Do they have a good coach? no. they dont.
There is the difference. Guess what happened to the raiders when they got cable? Once he got his team established, the raiders went 8-8. History says good coaches build good teams to win games. bad coaches dont.
Also, are you using one season as a reference, and it SO HAPPENED to be the worst season in history? And we are using a DECADE worth of evidence. Your arguments are weak BP.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Ahhh
so it was the Loin’s coach who was the difference Jack? I guess if they had BB they would have made the playoffs with the same players, right?
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
it would take time. I wouldnt doubt he could.
And yes, the lions coach is not a very good one, so you didnt disprove anything there.
Hell why dont you look at the jets. Mangini vs. Rex. Look at how with mangina, they didnt do too much. But Rex comes in, and he changes the team. HE was the difference. He is a MUCH better coach than Mangina ever was, and it shows.
When mike tomlin came in to pitt, he was a big difference. They won 3 superbowls with him as well.
When a team is successful over a long period of time, and since BB has a big hand in draft picks and signings, and they are continued playoff contenders, i would say the coach (especially in BBs case) has made a pretty damn good difference for the team.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
But Ryan did 09 with Mangini's team.
Sanchez wasn’t an upgrade over 08 Favre, he brought in Edwards, and used his defense instead of Mangini’s.
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by insertscreenname on Mar 26, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
so you mean to tell me
that mangini couldnt win with his team, but when ryan came in, and all of a sudden they are winners?
Can’t be the coach….. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
They changed their defensive scheme.
Ryan’s is better. Revis was also a better player in 09 than 08. That’s about it.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 26, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. Ryan was the difference.
A coach can make a big difference. And thats the coach’s job: Establish a defensive and offensive philosophy, gameplan, etc.
Mangini was not a good coach, therefore, the jets were loosing more. thats my point. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Of course they would get better with BB.
I never said he is an utter failure at team building. He is maybe a bit better than average and is an outstanding coach.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
Name me a current head coach
that if we hired right now, would lead us to 2-4 SB’s in the next 5-10 years.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Lol...Great job he did w. the Phins...
Have they made the playoffs yet?…Wait…have Bill P won a playoff game in this decade…no.
Have Bill P won a superbowl without Bill Belichick has his coordinator?…Nope.
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This.
BB is the best out there so far. Maybe Mike Tomlin is just as good.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Mike Tomlin
is a decent coach but he also has Dick Lebau who runs his offense….
Mike is a defensive coach who coached the tampa cover 2….pretty sure he has no say in the defense…just a pretty good caretaker.
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Dick Lebeau runs the Defense
if you don’t know that, I’m ashamed to call you a football fan.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Yes....
typo….meant to say defense.
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Ninja caught Alzheimer's from someone...
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame Debbie.
She is quite a handful.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Is she a debbie downer?
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Have you looked around here?
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
It was a joke
why so serious?
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
I see what you mean.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
the Lions didn't have good anything
the Patriots MUST HAVE SOMETHING GOOD if they won 3 Super Bowls.
They had a lot good
to win 3 SBs. And a lot of that was players BB didn’t get. Since he has completely chosen the players they haven’t won shit.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
when Belichick took over
the team had under 40 players on the roster and was $10.5 million over the cap. he also didn’t have a 1st round pick because that was the compensation given to the Jets for his hiring.
by pats4life on Mar 25, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that is far from incompetent
that is ridiculous!
omg
did you just make BP say that BB is HALF good?
well… its a progression at least…. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
I have said
he is an outstanding coach, and perhaps a tad above mediocre team builder. Maybe he’ll get better at the later.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
The way he has been building this team over the last few years
and continuously making the playoffs, while rebuilding for the future is pretty damn good dont you think? I cant see how he is horrible at team building the way you say he is, besides the FAs he signed in 08, and the 07 class in the draft. Those are his only blunders.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
instead of saying ahhahahahha
say
U Mad Bro?
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
there is really only 1 player on the Patriots that became a HOF because of chance
and that was Tom Brady.
After not being a starter at college, no.
And then Belichick found another college-backup-turned-NFL-starter in Cassel.
Not many coaches can say they found two franchise QBs in the last rounds of the draft.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 22, 2011 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Avg drafter???LOL
Have you seen our last two draft picks?
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Looks like
he got a good one with McCourty. A couple others look promising. Nothing to get too excited about yet. I usually give it 2 seasons to judge a pick.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
True
hence why I said two things on this article.
-They (09, ‘10 classes) have the potential to one of his best.
-I also said it was up for debate.
But the fact that the Pats kept all 12 + 1 UDFA on their roster in 2009 and 8 of 12 picks in 2010, kinda proofs that I’m right.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I hope they
all become all-pro. It’s not that I want BB to f up. It’s just that he has been.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 21, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that you used the term "miss" instead of "bust."
“Bust” is such a polarizing term, with so many different opinions on what it means. I think “miss” is a much broader term that allows you to say someone ultimately failed to live up to expectations, without being a total, abject failure.
I would differ on a few players that you classified as “hits,” though. I wouldn’t call Maroney or Graham a hit, nor would I call Wilhite a hit, at this stage. I also wouldn’t classify Butler of Brace as hits yet, though you noted that the 09 and 10 classes are up for debate.
Watson is another interesting case, I think. While certainly not a bust, I’d classify him as a miss, because he didn’t live up to the expectations of a first round TE (for comparison, see Gronk and Hern – both lower round picks that already look significantly better than Watson ever did in a Pats uniform). Similarly, Eugene Wilson might go down as a miss for me, but he certainly wasn’t a total bust. Basically, I would have labeled any player that failed to live up to expectations, based on draft position and reputation, as a miss, rather than looking for contributions to justify calling them a hit.
J.R. Redmond get’s classified as a “hit” solely for his contributions on the last drive of the ’01 Super Bowl.
That's why I would like to see more options then hit or miss.
He was a 3rd round pick, he should have produced more then he did. But wow, when he got out of bounds, there was a chance they’d win that Super Bowl.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 21, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on some of your points.
JR Redmond- It was a hard choice. But all I remember of him was how valuable he was during the game winning drive in SB 36.
Watson- Rookie year- Was on IR. Then McD took over as the Offensive Coord….and his system isn’t TE friendly. His best year was last year as a Brown. His best year at NE was in 06 when we had garbage WR’s.
If you take a look at Gronk’s stats, it’s similar to those of Gronk’s rookie year. I just think he was a victim of the system (McD’s)
Graham- I wish, in hindsight, we had taken Ed Reed. But at NE, he was decent. He was a starter during his years at NE. Can’t categorize a 4 year starter as a miss….even though we could have had Ed Reed.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
If you take a look at Gronk’s stats, it’s similar to those of Gronk’s rookie year.
Hey P4L another Ninja FAIL!! Muahahahahhahaaha
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Lol...shutup
Meant to say Watson’s avg rec yards w. us.
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pats4life do you have enough puzzle pieces yet ?
babe is delusional 100 percent wrong when it comes to BB and its comical to watch.
I don't think most of the kids on here will catch this reference, BP.
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 24, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...use the Matt Light is a D.... insult...much effective.
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It certainly caught Coco's eye :)
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Mar 24, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that's not my eye.
"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park
by 808BostonSportsFan on Mar 30, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coco's writing alone, is better than those vids Ninja watches at night :)
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Mar 30, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Law and Order?
yeah…I watch them at night…at least I don’t watch foot……
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
lol the correct name is "Foot Cravers" but no that is not what i meant.
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Mar 31, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
True 808.
They haven’t experienced this guy posting under multiple names for 10 years on the other forum.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
whatever u say debbie belichick
i have only one screenname on each forum . thats a fact u cant dispute. i am just enjoying you getting abused in both forums. keep up the good work debbie. can i call u debbie or would u prefer miss belichick?
by brady12mvp3 on Mar 25, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is there any other forums
he posts?
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
yes ninja there is one on
a place called masslive.com its a troll infested place not worth spending much time there . but i would say last 2 to 3 years i have battled this clown on the BB subject i give him 1 thing he is consisent and persistent . this is not a joke this is not trolling he 100 percent believes he is right. he is a total clown plain and simple he doesnt know what he is talking about he blames everything on bb and if bb doesnt win a sb every year he is deemed a failure. he doesnt know what he is talking about. but its his opinion his right to have it. i am just happy he is making a fool of himself on multiple forums.
by brady12mvp3 on Mar 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Notice this troll
only criticizes the poster and never addresses the subject here. That’s what he does there, but under many names. He can’t get away with it here because this place is moderated.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
That would be pointless here.
If he started doing what he does there, he would be booted. Relatively speaking, he is behaving here.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
well then he isn't trolling
unless you want to flag him for it and have evidence. what he does elsewhere shouldn’t matter.
I never said I enjoyed it
I just scorll right over his comments cause they don’t have much
pats4life i have had this arguement with debbie
for atleast 2 to 3 years thats why i dont add much to the post. i have been down this road before. i am tired of proving him wrong and making fun of him is like taking candy from a baby. so i am just sitting back and watching the show enjoying every minute of it. debbie must really like the abuse. debbie doesnt have a clue on this subject so why waste time going over and over and over it.
by brady12mvp3 on Mar 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He isn't a troll.
Even though he is a Michigan fan, I have his back.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
babe i only have 1 name here and there
u see guys over there everyone abuses him on the bb subject as well , so the delusional debbie here thinks if u disagree with him u are the same person. he cant fathom how many people think he is a total clown. i swear on my life may it end right now if i have ever posted under more then 1 name. I have 1 name on both. and babe the reason i dont talk about the subject is cause i already know how wrong you are and now everyone here does as well. pretty soon they will ignore you here as well. have a good weekend debbie…….. hahahahahaaa
everyone?
only you and one of your other names do. most Pat’s fans don’t see the light on BB but only you and your alter-ego are assholes about it there.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
dont see the light?
Everything that you said was retaliated with proof and facts. You make accusations on scrubs, and BB not forming his own team (which he did, as i think slotmachine provided evidence for you). You don’t seem to have any proof or evidence to support your claims. We do. I think you are the one that is blind here.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
hahahahahahahahaha
good to have laughs hahahahahaha
btw...you of all people shouldn't me commenting about other pple's fails....
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there is just something about a ninja fail that is just satisfying :)
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 22, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
dude totally
btw. I am in the midst of gathering info for my next fanpost. my mind is about ready to break down this is so overwhelming
what's it gonna be about?
private message me if you don’t wanna spoil it…
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 22, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He's already mentioned what's it about. BB's drafting and trade downs or something like that.
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Juvenile
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Chargers interested in Pats draft position?
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Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Lol
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 21, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Is she is the mom...who is the dad?
Mapatsfan? Smp?
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Is she is the mom…who is the dad?
You FAIL again Ninja!
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
No...
If you actually did participated in one of our older JAT threads..you would know what the heck I was talking about.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
I thought Ninja's were generally tranquil in nature. Hmmmm
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
I thought dad was MaPatsFan
and the cool uncle is SMP?
The crazy uncle is smp....
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by NinjaZX6R on Mar 21, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, awesome post Ninja..
The comments on this post are very entertaining..
The last 2 drafts have been under Nick Caserio right(And BB of course)?
Last years draft was, wow…
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Thanks
Yes, but I think BB was calling all the shots in the last two draft classes. P4L will be rolling out a new fanpost expanding on my topic and going further……I expect another 100 rambling comments in that post too.
I seriosuly can’t wait to see who we take this year.
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by NinjaZX6R on Mar 25, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, for sure BB is the man, Like CS the whole scouting is under Hoodie's vision..
…But Caserio is in Pioli’s postion now. And the last 2 draft’s have been awesome.
Well to some, lol..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
I seriosuly can’t wait to see who we take this year.
Me too. So hyped for the draft and…
Well I never doubted Bill drafting McCourty, new from day one he was the man
Man, I cannot wait till draft day..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Er'..
Ninja says..
I seriosuly can’t wait to see who we take this year.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
I want to know what
BP was doing during 2001-2004. Probably whining about how we should have gone undefeated for all 3 SB runs. Probably whining about Bill B too.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Well we only won the games by three points....
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
Bill and Debbie Belichick were still married in 2001-2004
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
BP
Can you just make a fanpost outlining all of your arguments to why BB should be fired and how it would improve the Patriots (as in, who’s the replacement, what would they do differently than BB.) It would make it a lot easier to see all of your points.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
and dismiss them.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not helping
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
not tryin to.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Mar 26, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No...
because then he couldn’t change tack when it suited and make things up and claim he said things when he didn’t and claim others said things when they didn’t and use straw-men and evade facts and then claim he wins when he doesn’t.
Basically, it would interfere with his ability to be a crotchety old man who tells shaggy dog stories.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorta the point
if he can outline an actual argument that isn’t just opinion, it will be interesting. I want to see all of the arguments in one area though, and that can’t really be done in a thread.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
That's why he never would.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Mar 26, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Why...cause it would look like this.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
by NinjaZX6R on Mar 26, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't said
he should be fired, outright.
Belichick, DO YOUR JOB!
by BabeParilli on Mar 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
well your sig a while back said it I'm pretty sure
Ninja would have the pic
It's true..
http://www.patspulpit.com/2010/5/23/1484013/patriot-difference-makers#38232634
and he had it from Jan 2010 to mid summer.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
not pats4life but what debbie said
uggg fail…
lololololololol
BabeParilli never lies
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Nice article P4. The Pats have been nothing short of brilliant with trades for a long while.
The glass is at 50% of capacity.
by BabeParilli on Dec 9, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions
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He's obviously talking about pre-BB there.
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going.
George Carlin
History will absolve me.
Fidel Castro
That, or ...

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Mar 28, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Really great post!
Should be noted that we like taking risky players in Round 3 and safer picks in Round 4 as well. Great job overall!
by Ethan Hammerman on Mar 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Oh really.
Didn’t notice that trend in the 3/4th rounds.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Hoodie likes getting his 'solid' guys in the 2nd
3rd and 4th are boom-or-bust, and 5th, 6th, 7ths are all those role players.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Mar 29, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions

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