NFL Draft 2011: Outside Linebacker; Heavy or Light?
There is a lot of debate about which outside linebacker the Patriots should take in the NFL Draft. The top prospects who may be available for the Patriots are Robert Quinn, Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan, and Justin Houston. I'll throw Von Miller out as a name, but the general consensus is that there's no chance that he drops out of the top 5. Beyond the top 5 are players like Akeem Ayers, Brooks Reed, Sam Acho, Jabaal Sheard, and Greg Romeus. The question for the Patriots is if any of these players are good fits for the defense and, if they are, are they worth taking?
The way I look at the Patriots' outside linebackers, they can be categorized as Elephants, Pass Rushers, and Covers.
Elephants: Jermaine Cunningham, Eric Moore
Pass Rushers: Tully Banta-Cain, Marques Murrell
Covers: Rob Ninkovich
An Elephant's role in the Patriots defense is to push the pocket against the quarterback to generate pressure, while maintaining their position against the run and outlet receivers. A Pass Rusher will be asked to try and reach the quarterback. A Cover will be asked to drop into coverage and possibly press the edge against an opposing tight end. Inside Linebacker Gary Guyton could be considered a Cover due to his role as the primary linebacker asked to trail a tight end into coverage.
But looking at the roster, what positions are of need? What can be upgraded? What players deserve a look?
Let's see after the jump!
I'll go ahead and say it: my thought is that the Patriots are fine at the elephant position. Cunningham showed a tremendous amount of promise and Moore did a fantastic job of generating pressure. This means that all prospects who only would be asked to stop the run and collapse the pocket aren't really viable draft selections early in the draft. There's just not a lot of need.
There is a lot of need, however, for pass rushers and cover backers. Tully Banta-Cain was not very successful in rushing the quarterback this past season and Marques Murrell was a camp-body who was asked back on the roster at the end of the season due to injury. While Ninkovich performed well, he was phased out of the defense as the season wore on as opposing defenses took advantage of his inability to both set the edge and reach the quarterback.
As a result of that need, I believe that the Patriots will primarily look for prospects who can both rush the passer and drop into coverage. I believe that setting the edge will be less of a priority, but I do expect the player to be able to handle a blocking tight end. Due to the nature of this player, they break the traditional OLB mold that Belichick looks for in a player. I believe that height, weight, and wing span will be less important since they won't be asked to take on offensive tackles. I believe that speed, agility, and cover skills to be the most important qualities. This player won't be assuming the traditional TBC, Cunningham, Moore, or Mike Vrabel role. Think of a larger Gary Guyton with a better pass rushing ability.
Here are some prospects that I think are worth looking further into:
Akeem Ayers - 6'4, 255 lbs; Late 1st/Early 2nd
Strengths: Able cover back, able pass rusher, great size
Weaknesses: Slow, lacks a final step to sack the quarterback, limited pass rush technique
Martez Wilson - 6'4, 250 lbs; Early 2nd
Strengths: Blazing speed, very good cover back, very good pass rusher, good size, great final step to sack the quarterback
Weaknesses: Little OLB experience, needs to work on releasing from initial contact
Chris Carter - 6'1, 245 lbs; 3rd-4th
Strengths: Pass rushing fiend, very coachable and has been working with Willie McGinest on his coverage skills, explosive player, solid against the run
Weaknesses: Little experience in coverage, needs better run defense instincts, (not really a negative, but he could be another Dane Fletcher and the Patriots don't need another Fletcher)
Dontay Moch - 6'1, 250 lbs; 3rd-4th
Strengths: Blazing speed, asked to drop into coverage at times from the DE spot, tremendous pass rush potential
Weaknesses: Not very good when dropping into coverage, playing weight is around 230, not very strong against the run, can get washed out of plays.
Kelvin Sheppard - 6'2, 250 lbs; 3rd-4th
Strengths: Great speed, good cover back, solid pass rusher, reliable run defender, leader of the team
Weaknesses: May be a little overaggressive and run out of his lane, needs to get stronger to disengage from blockers
K.J. Wright - 6'2, 245 lbs; 3rd-4th
Strengths: Able cover back, able pass rusher, great in pursuit
Weaknesses: Slow, not very stout against the run
Mason Foster - 6'1, 245 lbs; 3rd-4th
Strengths: Instinctive player, which makes up for his speed, great tackler, very capable cover back, goes for the ball while tackling
Weaknesses: Slow, weak pass rush skill set, not strong enough to set the edge or hold the point of attack against the run
Mark Herzlich - 6'4, 250 lbs; 3rd-5th
Strengths: Leader, great instincts, always around the ball, able pass rusher, able cover back
Weaknesses: Slow and recovering, has lost his explosion and finishing strep, unknown if he'll get it back
If I had to choose any of these players, I'd go with Martez Wilson due to his extremely potential on top of his already more than solid production. He has the speed, agility, and experience to drop into coverage and he has nose to make the tackle against the run. He's a project the Patriots would be willing to undertake because he has the ability to rush the quarterback and drop into coverage; he just needs experience. His skill set is there as an explosive outside linebacker.
If not Wilson, then a player like Chris Carter or (someone I need to look more into) Kelvin Sheppard could be viable options. Carter's on the raw side since he'll be making the transition from DE, but he's coachable. He may be a little slow and I'm not sure if the Patriots would want to take a player so raw. Sheppard, on the other hand, is an extremely intriguing prospect who I'll have to look into more. He, like Wilson, is projected to play ILB in the NFL, but he may have the ability to move outside and play OLB.
The Patriots play an intriguing defense that spends half of its time in the 3-4 and the other half in its sub 3-3-5 or 4-3. They require versatile players who can play in all three sets, like Jerod Mayo and Gary Guyton. Guyton's value increases because he can drop into coverage in the 3-4, spy the outlet receiver in the 4-3 and rush the passer in the 3-3-5. I believe a player like Wilson or Sheppard could be an upgrade over Guyton as OLBs in the sub packages, while also filling the coverage/pass rushing OLB spot in the base 3-4.
Do you think they should still go for an Aldon Smith-type player? What do you think of a player like Brooks Reed? Who do you think would fit well with the Patriots?
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Just watched Kelvin Sheppard in LSU vs Auburn...
…seems like a player who is willing to engage to set the edge and can hold the point of attack. However, he doesn’t know HOW to set the edge and is often sealed out of plays, instead of setting the edge and being in position to make the play. He can drop into coverage, but he also takes terrible angles when it comes to finding the receiver and when stopping the run.
I’d pass on him.
If you’re setting the edge you are sealed out though? the outermost blocker should be between you and the ball carrier. if you’re not sealed out, you haven’t set the edge :P
by quadruple option on Mar 24, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a difference...
…you can seal the edge by collapsing the blocker into the running back’s lane and forcing him inside, or you can seal the edge by guiding the blocker and disengaging to make the tackle on your own. The lighter OLBs are less likely able to collapse the blocker so they need to guide them to where they need to be.
by Richard Hill on Mar 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Dane Fletcher?
Is he in the conversation for the type of player you are looking for? He seems decent to cover and rush.
Yep.
Except that they use him like Gary Guyton where they complement each other in the 3-3-5 and 4-3 defensive sets. I don’t think he’s agile enough to cover a TE on the outside in the 3-4.
by Richard Hill on Mar 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Craig Marshall (DE/OLB, 6'4, 265, South Florida)?
Too bad Matt Broha of LA tech didn’t come out.
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A little on the heavy side...
…I think he’s better fit for the 4-3, to be honest.
by Richard Hill on Mar 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How does drafting DE effect this analysis?
I wonder how much better Ninkovich would be with a dominant DE next to him. It would mean he would be matched up with TEs, RBs and FBs much more which could potentially mean that he would be able to set the edge. I would be interested in getting a feel for when he was succesfuul setting the edge this past season as I would suspect it was against these smaller players. Also, I would be interested in knowing more about Vrabel and whether he was able to set the edge consistently against tackles.
I am of the belief that we have enough talent at OLB (as you have outlined) if we had a better D-Line and that the D-Line can make everyone around them better (including OLBs) than would an OLB make everyone else better unless he is an absolute eilte pass rusher (which is such a hit or miss decision for these college players that it doesn’t make sense to invest a 1st rounder in them). I would of course invest a 1st and more to get elite pass rusher 3-4 OLB (i.e. Ware).
Unlike most people, i put most emphasis on sealing the edge against the rush for OLB position as opposed to pass rushing and pass coverage. Sealing the edges helps direct the opposing ball carrier whether QB or RB into middle where the DL players have easier access. So I’d want another Cunningham drafted. The pass coverage should either live or die with secondary. The ILBs should have primary role in LB group for pass defense. It would be nice to have a Cameron Wake or Suggs at OLB. but since they don’t they may have to look for the diamond in the rough.
I’d want drafted at least an OLB who has good potential that they are able to set the edge even though it may not be yet solidly proven.
Not in this league
You make Colt McCoy look like Payton Manning if you don’t get pressure.
That's why I'd advocate drafting the best pass-rusher available.
Quinn, Smith or Kerrigan, probably. We’re in a position to gamble on a guy, and hope he turns into Demarcus Ware.
They would have to be superb pass-rushers though, if that’s all they offer. They’d also need the strength to control a TE in the run game, but that shouldn’t be too much of an issue. You can scheme around deficiencies against the run (move Wilfork to DE, for example).
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by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Peyton Manning.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 25, 2011 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Zing!
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 25, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
patriots lost that game because they made two big mistakes and they couldn’t stop their rusher who gained arounf 200 yards.
it was the mistakes
even the 200 yard rusher wouldn’t have mattered had those mistakes not been made
it’s really why colt looked so good
you take away that run and CLE and QB would be toast even with the mistakes
Pats would've won
had they not fumbled a kickoff and fumbled at the damn goal line. Heck, just the Gronkowski fumble killed the game. He doesn’t fumble, Pats score, get ball back after halftime, back in the game, probably win.
Minimally, in my opinion.
The 3-4 defense should have two kinds of OLBs- those who can pressure the QB and stop the run and those who can pressure the QB and cover the pass. Of course the best would be a player who can do all three, but that’s not really a viable option.
I do think a dominant DE would greatly improve our outside linebackers. However, Ninkovich showed that he couldn’t get past a tight end. TBC showed that he’s a very one-dimensional player. Opposing teams could decide how to attack our defense based on the personnel on the field because of how one-dimensional so many players in our front 7 were. We have a very situational defense (Spikes only on for running downs, Guyton on passing downs, Wright on passing downs, Brace and T. Warren on stopping the run) that needs more versatile players. Players like Mayo and Wilfork and Cunningham who can play in all three styles of defense against both the pass and run.
Yes, a great DE will make Nink and TBC better. However, I still think a versatile OLB who can fulfill both TBC’s and Nink’s job is necessary to take this defense to the next level.
by Richard Hill on Mar 24, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That I agree with.
But since none of the players jump out like that, we are going to have to wait and see what Bill does. He knows what he wants and he manages to get it. As far as some things go I think he will surprise again on draft day.
Yeah...
But eventually you have to hit on something closer to what you need. Its not easy nor an exact science, but the Patriots could do worst. They need at least 2 pass rushers to come out of this draft. Three if they draft 2 linebackers.
I wouldn’t touch Herzler with a 10 foot pole. Using chemotherapy/radiation to fight cancer is not a very bright idea.
I notice you don’t have Sheard listed.
Any deficiencies in technique can be corrected so not a negative.
Decent instinct allows player to ramp up much faster and helps upside potential. Only a few players have that.
Good athleticism may effect upside. Many players may not have enough of that.
I won’t make any guesses which OLB BB would take until closer to draft.
Selecting an OLB in first round or #33 is hell. It feels real good selecting an OLB in late second or later rounds since you don’t have to worry as much about whether they can be a 3 down player or they bust.
I wouldn't say 10 foot pole with Herzlich...
…but I do feel like he’s become limited to only the 3-4 ILB position in the NFL and we don’t need one of those.
Sheard is another of the Quinn/Smith/Kerrigan/Houston mold where they’re too stiff to drop into coverage.
by Richard Hill on Mar 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheard probably is.
But I would still take Quinn in a heartbeat. I know it is bad to fall in love with a player’s skills. But I feel like if Robert Quinn tests out well, he could be a really dynamic play maker for New England. Most OLBs start out as defensive ends in college. And part of the reason you draft a guy like that is because you believe he will gain polish with your influence.
Not as big a fan of Quinn...
…I like Smith over Quinn because Quinn is a bonafide DE- Smith is more athletic in his drop back. If you look at Quinn, he’s a monster athlete, but most of his production came against awful programs. Just something to look for.
by Richard Hill on Mar 24, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think that line of thinking is a mistake.
The gears all work together. They compliment each other depending on their strong suits . I like the risk for the need, and have pushed for Sheard early. Like him more than Romeus. Playmakers are what we need now.
Herzlich is a 4-3 OLB imo.
Watching him play a bit, he seems more natural at that position.
Also, even though he conquered his illness, he still played at a very high level. He was still a beast last year. lol and he will only get healthier.
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3-4 OLB is pretty much a 3-4 ILB.
Coverage, come up to the line to make the tackle, it’s pretty similar to Guyton’s role.
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by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Except the 3-4 ILB runs around less than the 4-3 OLB, which limits the downside from his loss of speed.
by Richard Hill on Mar 24, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
but I am saying that I think he is more suited in a 4-3 OLB role. I just think he’ll be better there.
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Bit more speed?
Maybe. I’d see him as the Spikes-type for some team, taking up space in the hole.
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by insertscreenname on Mar 25, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose.
But I like him on the outside. He is a very good in coverage, and he has great instincts. I don’t know, but I see him on the outside because of his athleticism.
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That's why I think he'd be a great ILB.
He can plug the hole and he has athleticism and instincts to drop into coverage. I just think he’d struggle on the outside (and I saw him struggle all season).
by Richard Hill on Mar 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
0.o
I didnt see him struggle THAT much. He is one of BCs best players…
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Couple of things on Kelvin Sheppard
He played both OLB and ILB in his tenure at LSU. The guy oozes leadership, and I can frankly say he was a leader on some of the better defenses in college. Our D-Coordinator (Chavis) also has a lot of funky schemes, so he might not come across on tape as well as he could. For what its worth, he is almost a carbon copy of Bradie James, and I would be very surprised if he was a good 34 OLB. I think he could be a fantastic ILB for the 34 and a decent OLB for the 43.
My guy is Sam Acho
If we can get him in the late 2nd or early 3rd, it’d be a huge steal. Yeah, it’d be great if he were an inch taller, but he’s got perfect size, speed, college production and he’s one of the smartest kids in the draft (and a great leader). Just a Patriots type of football player. I know he doesn’t have the greatest mobility in space and might not be a lock-down guy in pass defense, but I remember being very impressed with him in those drills at the combine. I think he’s come a long way and can be successful in the NFL.
At the combine, he had the best 3-cone drill for defensive linemen and linebackers, and the best EVER for any defensive lineman, by a considerable margin (4th ever when including linebackers). I do think he has the quickness and smarts to be successful at the next level.
Although I like a few other guys in that second round range, like the Pittsburgh guys, I really think Acho is a potential 3-down stud with leadership and smarts for the Patriots, and he would be a steal at 60 or in the early third if he lasts.

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