Part B:The Best of Times, The Worst of Times: Belichick in the Draft-Breaking down Patriots draft selections by College conferences.

The Myth of Bill Belichick liking SEC players has proven to be true. The SEC's dominance in college football, especially winning six National Championship titles in the last decade is remarkable. No conference in College Football comes close. The Big 12 and the Big 10 conferences come in 2nd and 3rd place (total selections in 11 years) in a tight race.

Side note-Under Bill Polian, the Colts have the most Big 10 selections under Polian's tenure, same for the Steelers. If you take a glimpse at Bill Parcells 1st and 2nd round selections during his tenure with the Giants, Jets, Cowboys and the Dolphins, He loves taking Big 10 players.

Let us look at the conference success rate under Bill Belichick. Using my previous fanpost , I will break down the conference success rate and round by round success.

SEC-

1st round selections-Seymour, Watson and Mayo.

In the 2nd round, Belichick hit percentage was 66.7% with SEC players going 2 out of 4.

The third round hit percentage under Belichick was 45 % with the SEC going 0/1.

In the 4th round, Belichick hit on 40 % of all his 4th round selections in 11 years. The SEC selections have a better success rate at 60%. Aaron Hernandez, Jonathan Wilhite and Jarvis Green being the hits while QB Davey and RB Cedric Cobbs being the misses.

There were no SEC selections in 11 years under Belichick in the 5th round.

In the 6th round (26% success rate), the SEC went 1 and 1. Jermey Mincey being the miss while Myron Pyror being the hit. Success rate-50%

In the 7th round (28.5%), the SEC came in at 50%. Hits-Patrick Pass and Brandon Deadrick with Welch and Kade Weston being the misses.

Overall, the SEC had a 63.2% success rate under Bill Belichick.

Big 12 -

1st round selections (100%) - Daniel Graham, and Ty Warren; Conference success rate-100%.

2nd round selections (66.7%) - Two players from the Big 12 were selected in the 2nd round- Terrance Wheatley and Bethel Johnson. Conference success rate 0%.

3rd round selections (45%) - Ellis Hobbs and Daniel Thomas. Conference success rate 100%

4th round selections (50%) - No Big 12 selections.

5th round selection (36%) - Marriott; Conference success rate 0%

6th round selection (26%)-Kingsbury LeKevin Smith and Correy Hillard; Conference success rate-33.3%

7th round selection (28.5%)-Ethan Kelly, Bo Ruud, Willie Andrews and Zac Robinson; Conference success rate-0 %

Overall, the Big 12 had a 35.7% success rate under Bill Belichick.

Big 10-

1st round selections (100%)-Laurence Maroney; Conference success rate 100%.

2nd round selections (66.7%)-Matt Light and Eugene Wilson; Conference success rate-100%.

3rd round selection (45%)-Shaun Crable; Conference success rate 0 %

4th round selection (50%)-G/T Randell and Rich Ohmberger; Conference success rate-50%

5th round selection (36%)-Zoltan Mesko; Conference success rate 100%

6th round selection (26%)-Tom Brady and David Nugent; Conference success rate 50%

7th round selection (28.5%)-TJ Turner and Mike Edlgin; Conference success rate 0%

Overall, the Big 10 had a 54.5% success rate under Bill Belichick.

ACC-

1st round selections (100%) - Brandon Meriweather; Conference success rate-100%

2nd round selections (66.7%)-Ron Brace; Conference success rate-100%

3rd round selection (45%)-Brandon Tate; Conference success rate-100%

4th round selection (50%)-Antwan Harris Dexter Reid and Kareem Brown; Conference success rate-33.3%

5th round selection (36%)-PK Sam; Conference success rate 0%

6th round selection (26%) - Ted Larsen; Conference success rate 0&

7th round selection (28.5%) - Christian Morton, Darryl Richard, Antwoine Womack; Conference success rate 0%

Overall, the ACC had a 36.4% success rate under Bill Belichick.

Big East-

1st round selections (100%)-Vince Wilfork, and Devin McCourty; Conference success rate 100%

2nd round selections (66.7%)-Darius Butler; Conference success rate 100%.

3rd round selection (45%)-Tyrone McKenzie; Conference success rate 0%

4th round selection (50%)-Dan Klecko; Conference success rate 100%

5th round selection (36%) - George Bussey & Dan Koppen; Conference success rate 50%

6th round selection (26%) - Leonard Myers; Conference success rate 0%

7th round selection (28.5%) - None

Overall, the Big East had a 62.5% success rate under Bill Belichick.

**Note, the University of Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College left the Big East Conference for the ACC in the 2004 and 2005.

PAC 10-

1st round selections (100%) - None.

2nd round selections (66.7%)-Rob Gronkowski, Pat Chung; Conference success rate 100%

3rd round selection (45%)-JR Redmond; Conference success rate 0%

4th round selection (50%)-None

5th round selection (36%)-Ryan O'Callaghan, Matthew Slater and Hakim Akbar; Conference success rate 66.6%

6th round selection (26%)-None.

7th round selection (28.5%)-Matt Cassel, TBC, and Oscar Lua; Conference success rate 66.7%

Overall, the PAC 10 had a 77.8% success rate under Bill Belichick.

Mountain West Conference-

1st round selections (100%)-None

2nd round selections (66.7%)-None

3rd round selection (45%) - Kevin O'Connell,

4th round selection (50%)-None

5th round selection (36%) - Clint Oldenburg

6th round selection (26%) - None

7th round selection (28.5%)- Casey Tisdale, Owen Pochman, Spencer Nead, Ryan Claridge,

Overall, the MWC had 0 % success rate under Bill Belichick.

Independent-

1st round selections (100%)-None

2nd round selections (66.7%)-None

3rd round selection (45%) - Kenyatta Jones & Brock Williams; success rate-50%

4th round selection (50%) - Jabari Holloway; success rate-100%

5th round selection (36%)-None

6th round selection (26%) - Dan Stevenson & Mike Richardson; success rate-0%

7th round selection (28.5%) - David Givens; success rate-100%

Overall, the schools that were Independents had 50 % success rate under Bill Belichick.

WAC-

1st round selections (100%)-Logan Mankins; Conference success rate 100%.

2nd round selections (66.7%) - Adrian Klemm; Conference success rate 0%

3rd round selection (45%)-None

4th round selection (50%)-James Sanders; Conference success rate 100%

5th round selection (36%) - Dave Stachelski; Conference success rate 0%

6th round selection (26%) - Jake Ingram; Conference success rate 0%

7th round selection (28.5%)-None

Overall, the WAC had 40 % success rate under Bill Belichick.

C-USA

1st round selections (100%)-None

2nd round selections (66.7%)-Deion Branch % Sebastian Vollmer; Conference success rate-100%

3rd round selection (45%)-None

4th round selection (50%)-Garrett Mills & Stephen Gostkowski; Conference success rate 50%

5th round selection (36%)-None

6th round selection (26%)-Justin Rogers; Conference success rate 0%

7th round selection (28.5%)-None

Overall, the C-USA had 60 % success rate under Bill Belichick.

MAC-

1st round selections (100%)-None

2nd round selections (66.7%)-None

3rd round selection (45%)-Nick Kazcur and Taylor Price; Conference success rate 50%.

4th round selection (50%) - Asante Samuel; Conference success rate 100%.

5th round selection (36%)-None

6th round selection (26%)-None

7th round selection (28.5%)-Julian Edelman; Conference success rate 100%.

Overall, the MAC had 75 % success rate under Bill Belichick.

Division I-AA or II Conferences

1st round selections (100%)-None

2nd round selections (66.7%)-None

3rd round selection (45%) - None

4th round selection (50%)-None

5th round selection (36%) - None

6th round selection (26%) - Arther Love & Justise Hairston; Conference success rate 0%

7th round selection (28.5%) - Andy Stokes; Conference success rate 0%

Overall, the Division I-AA or II conferences had 0 % success rate under Bill Belichick.

Part C to continue tomorrow.

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Just front-page yourself?

Sounds like he’s abusing his powers…
Unless Greg or Rich did it. Yeah, probably this one.

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by insertscreenname on Apr 11, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions

C'est moi!

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by Richard Hill on Apr 11, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions

lol

by pats4life on Apr 11, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't know where you're going with the next post,

But it looks like the elite players in any conference are elite players in general. If you look at 1st and 2nd round picks, if Bill takes a guy, he’ll almost always work out. Credit to the system – good scouts and knowing what makes a good player.

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by insertscreenname on Apr 11, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed.

I’d also question putting guys like Tate, Butler, and Slater in the “hit” column, while other guys (like Ted Larsen) are busts, even though they’re starting for other teams.

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by Richard Hill on Apr 11, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Agree about Tate and Butler

but as for Slater, dude is only a ST gunner/ player and a decent/good one.

Ted Larsen, in hindsight, should have been kept on the roster instead of Rich Omb. I still call him as a miss cause He apparently wasn’t good enough for our 53 man roster. Even in preseason games, he didn’t look that good.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 11, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah...

Larsen is a Woodhead-like casualty, as he is a good starter on a decent team, and the Pats apparently would have kept him if he wasn’t claimed by another team.

…And calling Price a miss is premature.

Interesting post overall though.

by pablum257 on Apr 12, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions

The 09/10 classes have a disclaimer

That things might change. Hey I love Price and I really want him to succeed (He is from the same town I currently live in-Hillard, Ohio). But he only played in 1 game.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 12, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions

If you have to...

Put him on the list at all, I guess it’d have to be a miss…but he really isn’t yet, and I don’t think he belongs in either category.

by pablum257 on Apr 12, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

assign a "hit" or "miss" to a group that hasn't even had a chance to prove itself? (looking at 2009 and 2010)

by pats4life on Apr 11, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions

I made a disclaimer in my 1st article...the one w. the oil mess.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 11, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

lol

by pats4life on Apr 11, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions

???????

Deion Branch % Sebastian Vollmer; Conference success rate-50%

Which one failed?

Also, Ingram was a longsnapper for 24 games for the Pats and is currently still in the league. He’s sort of a journeyman but I wouldn’t call him a bust. We drafted a longsnapper and he served us for 1 1/2 seasons.

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by satsunada on Apr 12, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions

I would argue

That if you draft a specialist, in any round, you expect them to stick around for at least 4-5 years, if not longer.

by 108 on Apr 12, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions

opps my bad...should be 100 percent since there was only 2 C-USA players taken by BB ever.

Imgram…tough nugget….He had a great season in 2009…I can’t remember his name being called but as for 2010…blah….His problems started, I believe in the 3rd or 4th game of the season…and was done before the Browns game.

The Ravens game was his worst…all but 1 snap of his were bad and Mesko bailed him out a lot his w. great hands and his leg.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 12, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Agreed, though longsnapper/punter/kicker are the most unforgiving positions in the NFL

It only takes like 2 mistakes and you’re out of a job in most cases. If that were the case for other positions, Favre would have lasted 2 years and Manning would have been fired by the Colts for last year’s game against us. Ingram had issues but we never learned why and we obviously didn’t wait them out. We grabbed Katula off the FA line and off we went. There’s only 32 long snappers in the league at any given time but there are dozens waiting for the opportunity. Same with punters and kickers. So, in my mind, if you’re still one of the 32 in the league.. you’re a winner.

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by satsunada on Apr 12, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions

Remember that Skins punter? Hunter Smith

screwed a snap and the Skins lost by 1 pt…and he was cut.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 12, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions

Completely a fall guy for that loss

they had so much fail in that game.

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by Cameron O on Apr 12, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions

It's not like the kicker did anything to help that game

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by satsunada on Apr 12, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Not one player on that team deserved that game

except maybe Brian Orakpo and London Fletcher. The rest of them were a collective fail.

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by Cameron O on Apr 12, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

nah, the Redskins fail? You sure?

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by insertscreenname on Apr 12, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions

and I didn't call him a bust...a miss...bust is a harsh word

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 12, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

True.

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by satsunada on Apr 12, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions

current defensive roster

approx. 36 players ….11 from SEC schools. BB is an SEC guy and always will be,

by tstorey1 on Apr 12, 2011 2:50 AM EDT reply actions

I think your footnote is in the wrong section.

Big 10-

[…]

**Note, the University of Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College left the Big East Conference for the ACC in the 2004 and 2005.

by pablum257 on Apr 12, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions

Fixed. Thanks.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 12, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Price and Tate

Expecting them to be deep receivers may make them busts, They may need to be groomed to a mid depth role. Traditionally 2-3 rd players have what are arbitrarily called successful careers 50% of the time; there are going to be a lot of draft “busts” after that.

by WRMaurer on Apr 13, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions

maroney a HACK!

Maroney a HIT??? And how did we come to this conclusion?

by Pat's apologist on Apr 14, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions

I thought we covered it earlier. Oops.

He averaged 4 YPC, came up big in a few games, and had some big plays. Was he “the guy” to take over from Corey Dillon? No. We expected more than he delivered, but he was an average RB. Not a bust, just a disappointment.

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by insertscreenname on Apr 14, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions

This

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 14, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

30 TDs and ~4000 total yards is halfway to a potential hall of fame career.

It’s not a bust of Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell proportions, just mildly disappointing.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 15, 2011 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Sorry for the delay of Part C...

Will be up by tonight.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 14, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

Does Brandon Tate qualify as a hit?

I don’t remember seeing much off him until the game was basically over.

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by PotM on Apr 14, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions

You have a lot of young/developmental guys in the post.

Suggestion for next time, add an Incomplete Column, that way 2nd year players that haven’t hit the field and developmental guys like Price aren’t seen as busts; they still could be something.

by PotM on Apr 14, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

He burned you guys lol

No..again the 09/10 classes are still under development. This year was his rookie year since he spent last year on IR. Showed some flashes but still a work in progress.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 14, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions

So why count Price as a hit or miss since he is very young?

by PotM on Apr 16, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Well he got beat out on the roster by Brandon Tate....

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by satsunada on Apr 16, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Who would also be in that category, as he was drafted with a torn ACL...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 16, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

So, a project isn't very good right off the bat.

No, say it aint so.

by PotM on Apr 16, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

We should have benched Gronkowski, Spikes, McCourty, and Hernandez too

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by satsunada on Apr 16, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Speedsters are typically projects, as they got by on pure speed in college

and are not good route runners. The fact that he was drafted with an ACL hurts him even more because he wasn’t able to immediately start training on his route running. Speedsters also typically have bad hands as well and need to concentrate harder than the average WR, so learning how to run sharper routes needs to be instinctive.

Hernandez was a steal, as he was projected to go in the second. Gronk was NFL ready because of his blocking ability (reason why he was taken so early). McCourty also fell like Hernandez. Spikes went where he was supposed to go, but he was a great college player that people thought wasn’t athletic enough to be a good NFL LBer. None of these guys were projects, except Hernandez to an extent because he needs to block better / get bigger. Even if you draft a speedster in the first, he is likely to be a project.

by PotM on Apr 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions

McCourty fell into the bottom half of the first round?

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by satsunada on Apr 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought I picked up that in my reading here.

by PotM on Apr 17, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

McCourty was suppose to go in the early 2nd round

but the run of CB’s in the mid round of the 1st round was evident….

I think BB does his job on what other teams in front of him want. Heck, he knew the Ravens were going to take Gronk so he jumped 1 spot ahead of the Ravens and took him.

Anyone remember when the Raiders were on the clock and they used their alloted time and the Ravens time started on the clock and all of a sudden they traded it to the Pats and we got Gronk?

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Thank god for that too

I would not want to see Todd Heap and Gronk with Ray Rice in the backfield. You could only scare me more if you told me Jonathan Ogden un-retired.

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by satsunada on Apr 17, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Ed Dickson could be good in the long run, though...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 18, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions

assigning a hit-or-miss to guys that haven't been in the league long enough to make an impact?

Laurence Maroney wasn’t considered a bust? Shouldn’t there be at least some sort of standard set for where a guy gets drafted? Why didn’t you rate each draft class with a grade as well?

by pats4life on Apr 15, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions