New England Patriots Links 4/13/11 - Belichick Talks About Brady 'Red Flag' In 2000 Draft
by Marima on Apr 13, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
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Christopher Price shares some of his thoughts on ESPN's 'The Brady 6'.
1. Bolstered by exclusive interviews with five of the six quarterbacks (hence the name of the hourlong documentary) who were taken before Tom Brady in the 2000 draft (as well as Brady himself, his father, Patriots owner Robert Kraft and coach Bill Belichick), it provided some real insight into Brady’s fire, his motivation and what really makes him great. He’s had a chip on his shoulder about his abilities since he was in high school, and has turned that intensity into a surefire ticket to the Hall of Fame. And the shot of him tearing up when it came to his draft day wait was fascinating television. We’ve always known that he’s leaned on his family for support over the years, but for him to mention his father and mother and what they did for him in that moment was especially telling.
2. No one is better at seizing an opportunity than Brady. The quarterback was stacked against the six guys who were taken in front of him, and many of them — including Tee Martin and Spergon Wynn — confessed in Tuesday’s show that they were not ready when they were called upon as young quarterbacks. In addition, few are more confident in their abilities. Not in a cocky way, but especially confident. There was the oft-told story of his first meeting with Kraft, but Brady’s college teammate Aaron Shea recalled how Brady told him before the fall of 2001 he was going to take Drew Bledsoe’s job.
3. It was great to see the video of the 2000 Hall of Fame Game between the Patriots and 49ers. In a contest that was better known at the time as being the "Monday Night Football" debut of Dennis Miller, it was a game that served to illuminate the differences between Brady and Giovanni Carmazzi. Video from the game had Carmazzi scrambling to avoid sacks and generally looking unprepared. As for Brady, he looked smooth and relatively polished. The quotes from Belichick regarding that game were especially illuminating: "I think we walked out of that game feeling that we probably had taken the right guy."
4. The relationship between Brady and Belichick is always fascinating — over the years, the two have come to share an eerily similar mindset when it comes to football — and there’s a new layer revealed here. Belichick says that keeping Brady around in 2000 was a "wasted roster spot," but confessed to being worried that they would lose him if they did anything else with him like put him on the practice squad. In addition, Belichick said that Brady had a better training camp and preseason than Bledsoe in 2001, but that they went with Bledsoe to start the season because of Brady’s relative inexperience. ...
Jeff Howe notes Bill Belichick revealed what kept him from selecting Tom Brady earlier in the 2000 Draft.
While looking back to April 2000, head coach Bill Belichick appeared dumbfounded that Michigan quarterback Tom Brady could still be on the board when the Patriots were approaching their fifth-round pick.
But Belichick had to rationalize for a moment. He recalled Brady's collegiate career, in which he was a masterful quarterback as a junior and a team captain as a senior. Yet, Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr kept yanking the starting job away from Brady during his senior season, instead favoring highly touted prospect Drew Henson.
Belichick said he could only go by what he saw of Brady on film, but the fact that Brady couldn't keep his job was a red flag. Why, Belichick wondered, did they keep trying to replace him?
"We saw Tom time and again his senior year start the game off well, and so many times Tom would come back in, and rescue the situation, and pull out the win for Michigan against great competition, the biggest game," Belichick said Tuesday on ESPN's hour-long special, The Brady 6.
TEAM TALK
- Ask PFW: Shooting the breeze about the Draft.
- Andy Hart offers his thoughts on QB Jake Locker visiting New England.
- The New England Patriots' 2011 preseason opponents were announced Tuesday.
- Patriots.com points out it has come to their attention for those enjoying the slopes of Aspen, Colo., that there is a special homemade shrine for Patriots fans worth visiting.
- Patriots Today - 2011 Draft Preview: CBs. (3.58 min. video)
- Patriots Today - Pats' 2011 Preseason schedule. (1.34 min. video)
- PFW in Progress - 4/12/11: We discuss top draft prospects we feel could be Patriots, ESPN's upcoming special 'The Brady Six' and moreoffseason topics. (2 hr program)
LOCAL LINKS
- Mike Reiss offers his thoughts on QB Jake Locker's visit to Gillette Stadium.
- Tom E. Curran addresses the Jake Locker-to-the-Patriots rumor that has been gaining steam.
- Christopher Price offers a few quick notes on the Patriots preseason schedule.
- Greg A. Bedard breaks down where the 2010 opening day starters on each NFL team came from in the draft: DT/NT position.
- Mike Reiss gets Jim Schwartz' thoughts on the Patriots-Lions preseason matchup.
- Mike Reiss breaks down ESPN's power rankings, with Jerod Mayo ranking sixth in the linebacker position.
- Mike Reiss answers his weekly reader mailbag: Trying to guess Bill Belichick's draft plan.
- Mike Reiss focuses on the draft picks available at the running back position for the Patriots, beyond the first round.
- Mike Reiss analyzes Adam Caplan's first first mock draft and who he has the Patriots selecting in the first round.
- Shalise Manza Young scouts the Draft: CB Buster Skrine (Tennessee-Chattanooga).
- Jeff Howe gives us an inside look at the life of draft prospect OT Anthony Castonzo (BC).
- Tom E. Curran profiles potential Patriots draftee: DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan (Purdue).
- Jeff Howe says Akeem Ayers (UCLA) might be the Patriots answer at outside linebacker.
- Ian Rapoport Patriots Notebook: Last year the Patriots wined and dined QB Tim Tebow, but this time it's Jake Locker (Washington) at Gillette for a 2-day visit; The Patriots also hosted DE Greg Romeus (Pittsburgh) who would be considered a "project".
- Jeff Howe thinks the Jets' interest in Randy Moss could be a fabrication, and 19 other Patriots thoughts.
- Mike Reiss reports the Pro Football Writers of America votes on awards each year, and there are candidates with Patriots ties in numerous categories this year.
NATIONAL NEWS
- Tim Graham (ESPN) Only one NFL exec called Michigan about Brady.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) "The Brady 6" highlights the inaccuracies of the Draft.
- Tim Graham (ESPN) Green-Ellis trains on Ali's hallowed ground. "Float like a butterfly, sting like a Law Firm."
- Jack Bechta (Nat'l Football Post) Are NFL scouting departments underfunded?
- Tim Graham (ESPN) Not all linebackers created equal.
- ESPN Sources: Patriots hosting QB Jake Locker (Washington), Tuesday and Wednesday.
- Seth Wickersham (ESPN Magazine) A matter of perspective: Jake Locker, projected as the top pick in the draft last year,now could end up a third-rounder.
- Peter King (SI) MMQB: Mail: NFL teams hung up on strength issues of Iowa's Clayborn.
- Adam Caplan (Fox Sports) Post pro day mock draft. Patriots pick OT Anthony Costanzo (Boston College) at 17 and DT Phil Taylor (Baylor) at 28.
- Richard Deitsch (SI) ESPN downscales its draft coverage.
- Pat Kirwan (NFL.com) Ingram might be only hope for RB to be taken in first round.
- Pat Kirwan (NFL.com) Draft do-overs:Texans nailed their '06 first-rounder, but not many others did.
- Michael David Smith (ProFootballTalk) Parcells kicks himself for drafting Pat White, picking Long over Ryan.
- Armando Salguero (Miami Herald) Bill Parcells content with status.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Report: Jets have no interest in Randy Moss.
- Fox Sports Top 10 most over-hyped draft picks in NFL history.
- Wes Bunting (Nat'l Football Post) The draft’s top five overrated prospects.
- Gregg Rosenthal (ProFootballTalk) For veteran players, Ross Tucker says missing training camp is "the dream".
- Joe Wertheim (SI) Marvin Miller on Barry Bonds, drug testing and the NFL labor situation.
LABOR LUNACY
- Gregg Rosenthal (ProFootballTalk) Mediation process gets started.
- Jon Krawczynski, AP (Yahoo! Sports) Legal team for NFL players meets with judge.
- Staff (Pro Football Weekly) Players' reps meet with Boylan.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Participants in court-ordered mediation still aren't known.
- NFL.com League: No one is telling players to skip NFLPA event.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) League denies effort to keep rookies from NFLPA draft events.
- Michael David Smith (ProFootballTalk) Marvin Miller rips NFL union for ever agreeing to a salary cap.
- Rand Getlin (Yahoo! Sports) Cash-strapped NFL players seeking high-risk lockout loans.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Players seeking high-interest lockout loans.
- Josh Katzowitz (CBS Sports) Owners, predatory lenders have to be salivating.
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Haha, some things never change (from the "2000 Hall of Fame Game" link)
2. New England’s rushing game is an almost annual concern, with that worry being taken to the extreme the past two or three years. But if one game is an indication, the Patriots will be better on the ground this year. Both Raymont Harris and Kevin Faulk ran hard against the 49ers, with solid results. San Francisco’s defense might not be much of a test, but New England’s run blocking was crisp and the holes were there. Faulk especially showed some real burst and the ability to break tackles. On his 25-yard second-quarter touchdown reception — the first touchdown of the game — Faulk broke four tackles en route to the end zone.
Always a concern.
Was probably a concern with Curtis Martin, too
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 13, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I left that in there because it was an interesting look back to that 2000 snapshot
I had a friend who was so fired up about Michael Bishop and how he could scramble. He was always rooting for him to take Drew Bledsoe’s spot, lol.
Keep the faith!
ESPN did a pass-rusher list,
So why put Ware, Matthews, Harrison, Woodley and Hali on the linebacker list?
I’d agree with Mayo being the 3rd or 4th best ILB in the league, behind Willis, Beason and (play-wise) level with Lewis.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 13, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
I don't see how he can be considered on the same level as Lewis
He’s consistent, but he is rarely a “playmaker”. I thought ESPN was being generous putting him at 6th, and if you look at the individual rankings described in the article it was probably telling that 2 guys didn’t even rank him and the AFC East guy had him higher.
Deep in enemy territory
Play-wise last year.
Lewis is looking like a 35 year old linebacker, that’s all.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And as for playmaker,
if he stops having to play contain, he might be in the backfield more. He’ll never have a heap of INTs (he might as well have bricks on the ends of his wrists), but some talent on the outside could only help him. We know he can get the tackles, so of there’s someone else to get 80 instead of Mayo having to get 160, he could be used in a more attacking style.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 13, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This may be tied to Spikes' development
We know he plays faster than his timed speed, so if he can show the awareness to be the “contain” linebacker/drop in short zone it may allow Mayo to take more of an attacking role. Having said that, I think Spikes in generally is better suited to blitzing/attacking the backfield, so Mayo may always play the role he is currently.
Deep in enemy territory
WRs run end-arounds,
Should they be on the RB list?
Should Faulk be on the WR list, because he splits out?
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 13, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
your problem is not with me kind sir
it is with the dumb people at espn
So... everybody at ESPN?
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 14, 2011 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Chip on his shoulder?
It’s more like a 10 ton boulder. He scratched and clawed his way to where he is and deserves every accolade, every flattering comment, every award, and every dime he earns.
Reality is a matter of opinion.
by MaPatsFan on Apr 13, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
The surest way to keep from backsliding is to remember what it took to get where you are.
Too many people have that “I’ve arrived” mentality. That means you stopped moving.
Hopefully Brady has a lot more driving to do. When you stop to enjoy the scenery, it’s a sign that you need to retire.
People all over may mock his tears on that show, but methinks they spell rings in the near future.
Get this football show on the road, people! We’ve got some butts to kick!
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Good point
Brady’s mentality is 180 degrees from those players who see themselves drafted in the top rounds as their reward for what they did in college.
Keep the faith!
I missed 'The Brady 6'
Anyone know where I can view it online? Or is there a set televised encore date?
Here is a link
To ESPN’s Year of the Quarterback TV schedule. They list April 17th as the next show date.
Keep the faith!
Here's the "red flag" quote.
“One of the real troubling parts was the Michigan situation — the fact that, really, they were trying to replace him as their starting quarterback,” Belichick said in the film. “You say, ‘OK, they don’t really want this guy as their starting quarterback. They want another guy. What’s the problem here?’ It was a little bit of a red flag there.”
About "The Brady 6"...I liked Tee Martin and Wynn, both looked high character guys, who looked positivly...
…happy with Brady’s success, being at peace with their own life. Same goes to Henson.
2000 draft
I don’t remember what I thought of Brady in 2000 but I probably thought there were 198 players better does,nt look like that now.
Didn't see "The Brady 6" because, as a Pats Hater, it would be too much, especially on the off chance that the Tuck Rule game makes an appearance
but just as another way of showcasing how much of a crapshoot the draft is: I present to you the Brady ‘Patriots 6’, as in the six guys the Patriots drafted before Brady.
Adrien Klemm – G (Started 10 games for the Pats)
JR Redmond – RB (He of the multiple catches on the game winning SB XXXVI drive)
Greg Randall – T (apparently started all 16 games for the 2001 title team, so not bad)
Dave Stachelski – TE (never suited up for the Pats)
Jeff Mariott – DT (can’t find anything on him)
Antwan Harris – DB (nothing memorable).
To think as BB has often noted, the Pats passed Brady over 6 times as well.
For a guy who was drafted 199, what he’s done has been incredible. Of course, there are guys who have never been drafted who have had good careers, including one man who stocked shelves in a grocery store and played in the Arena League (who’s story could have a documentary every season and it wouldn’t capture the ridiculousness of it all – including throwing 41 tds as a 28 year old rookie and winning a Super Bowl with a team that was 4-12 the year before), but Brady’s drive is something special. Since he’s made it, as in dated/married Gisele, gotten recognition as an all-time great that drive has lessened, but it still comes on sometimes. The same drive that Brady used to make himself into a champion. Special player.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
The Patriots were $10.5 million over the cap heading into that draft and didn't have a first round pick
not a very good draft regardless, but still
I vote you the residential Colts fan of PP.
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Also, that FOXSports 'Top 10 overhyped draft players' was a little unfair to some guys
Gallery especially. Yes, he was hyped as the next great tackle, but he’s nowhere near a bust on the level of Leaf, Lawrence Phillips and Vernon Gholston. He’s been a really good gueard for the past four years. Also, I don’t think he’ll end up as anything much, but to say Tebow was “overhyped” after one year is a little much. He was “amazingly hyped” but were not sure if the hype was truthfully illegitimate yet.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
they put Tebow
and Tebow hasn’t even gotten a chance to do anything yet lol
they put Tebow
and Tebow hasn’t even gotten a chance to do anything yet lol
I wonder if Tebow will ever get a chance to do anything. He looks like a dead albatross around the next Denver coach’s neck…regardless of his talent.
Overhyped, not busts.
Tebow was hugely overhyped.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 13, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't really know if he's overhyped until we know how he did
what if he ends up properly hyped. I mean, Carson Palmer was really hyped, but pretty much earned it (until Kimo cheap-shotted him).
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Palmer was also a lock as a #1 draft pick,
Not someone who was ranked between 20 and 150.
I do agree that we won’t truly know whether the hype was accurate until another few seasons have passed.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 14, 2011 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, I think Tebow will eventually be one of the more overhyped draft picks
but it really was unfair to him to be on this list after one season.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Tebow's already contributed more than JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.
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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 15, 2011 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Dunno.
Leaf sucked enough that SD were able to get LT. I think Tebow will consistently deliver Denver 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 seasons, so like Miami they will never be in a position to grab one of the top guys.
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by insertscreenname on Apr 15, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He impressed me more than I thought he might
He scored more TDs than he gave up turnovers, and he did it while he was his own best running back (and it wasn’t even close).
He was arguably more impressive than Sanchez, and Sanchez can get deep in the playoffs. Tebow’s contract ought to be smaller than #5 overall Sanchez, so they ought to be able to get some talent surrounding the guy, in which case playoffs are a real possibility (especially in a powder-puff division).
The kid didn’t fold despite a pretty horrible situation – no coach, no running game, best defensive player out, etc.
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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 15, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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