Patriots NFL Draft Prospect: DE Cameron Jordan, California
by Richard Hill on Apr 14, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
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Name: DE Cameron Jordan
School: California
Size: 6'4, 287 lbs
Expected Round: 1st
40 Time: 4.74s
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Strengths: Versatile and played all DL positions at California- DT, 3-4 DE, and 4-3 DE. Good knowledge of his lanes and will not over pursue if it leaves his lane vulnerable. Solid swim move to penetrate double teams. Able to bull rush guards. Aware of passing lanes and will try to get in the way to knock down the pass. Able to hold his ground against double teams. Nonstop motor and doesn't quit on plays. Able to disengage from blockers to take down the ball carrier. Able to slip through the slide blockers to get into the backfield and disrupt running plays. Will be able to generate pressure. Plays heavier than his actual weight. Extremely athletic. Strong tackler.
Weaknesses: Doesn't have great quickness around the corner, which prevents him from being a 3-4 OLB convert (some people think it's a good idea. I don't agree). Won't collapse double teams. Must add 20 pounds to be a solid 3-4 DE to push back on double teams. Lacks the pass rushing skill set to be an immediate sack monster at the next level (he'll generate pressure, but he won't finish).
Why and Why Not the Patriots after the jump, and my final verdict!
Why the Patriots?: Jordan's a player with few flaws in his game. He's not a stat cruncher, but he's phenomenal at doing his job. He is almost everything the Patriots want in a DE- he can stop the run, he can pressure the quarterback, he's aware of his lanes. The few things he needs to work on (his weight/bulk, his pass rushing technique) can be gained or taught at the next level.
Why Not the Patriots?: There's a chance that Jordan is off the board at 17 and the Patriots may not trade up to get him. There's also a chance that they like another prospect more than Jordan, or they like another DE prospect just as much and they can take them later. Jordan is a work in progress so the Patriots won't be getting a sure-fire starter at the next level.
Verdict: I like Jordan a lot. I feel like his skill set matches the Patriots and he has a chance to be a stud at the next level. He won't rack up the sacks, but I feel like his pass rushing potential is greater than all the other DEs, other than Watt. On the run defense, I like Jordan a lot more than Watt, and I feel like Jordan has more upside that Heyward. When it comes to pure athleticism and upside, I like Jordan more than Wilkerson. Jordan needs to put on weight, but that's something that can be done. I was a fan of Tyson Alualu last year and he went on to be a solid success for the Jaguars; I feel like Jordan can be even better. I like Jordan's fit with the Patriots.
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I think Jordan will lose a step in pass rush if he tries to gain weight.
Same thing happened to Merling. He was a 43 DE inn college, projected to be a very big 34 OLB, but we moved him inside to RDE and he definately lost a step, as he has never won the starting position for the Dolphins.
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I mean, he's the same size as Watt...
…and he played at the same size as Heyward. I wouldn’t pass judgment on all of them because they’re all in the same boat.
by Richard Hill on Apr 14, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess most guys lose a step just going from an outside guy to an inside guy.
I wouldn’t want my DEs rushing the passer anyway. At least not in the Cam Wake, Demarcus Ware fashion. I would want them sledding the T or G back towards the QB, and if they’re able to swim past the lineman, that’s a bonus.
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by insertscreenname on Apr 14, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What is this "Jordan"?
I’m pretty sure it is supposed to be Heyward
Haha, there are a lot of similarities.
I think Jordan plays week-in and week-out at the level that Heyward peaks at, meaning that Jordan is much more consistent. He’s Heyward’s best week every week.
by Richard Hill on Apr 14, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you don't give Heyward enough credit
Heyward can be absolutely dominant
He can be.
But he’s not consistently dominant. Heyward has the ability to be the best 3-4 DE in this draft, if he can put everything together. Jordan is a lot more consistent and his average production is greater than Heyward’s average production (not looking at just numbers).
by Richard Hill on Apr 14, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
well if you aren't looking at numbers
then what quantifiable “production” are you looking at to make this claim?
His ability to generate consistent pressure.
His ability to open lanes for other players. Skills that aren’t tallied in statistics, but hidden in game tape.
by Richard Hill on Apr 14, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
well I don't watch that much tape
but I’ve heard from OB and Ninja that Heyward got more attention paid his direction and he was still able to put up around the same numbers and rise to the occasion in big games.
That's what impressed me
Not huge overall production (but not bad), but he showed up in the biggest games of all. Not a shrinking violet.
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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 15, 2011 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I retract this statement
cause I really don’t know all that much about these guys and Hill knows a ton.
If Patriots could add one more great CB that would be better
Whether to take Jordan really comes down to BB assessing whether there is too much of a risk factor for first rounder.
i defer judgement on jordan. it’s in BB’s hands
I don't see any 'great' CBs that will fall to 17
some decent ones, but they’ve all got glaring gaps in their play, at least the guys that the Pats would be able to draft without trading up into the silly regions of the draft.
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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 15, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll agree on some points
Jordan does have great speed but his awareness is a bit slower than Watt’s and much slower than Heyward. Going by raw numbers, he looks good. However, in the film I’ve seen he tends toward hand tackles and no sure hits. It’s like he looks for them. That will not translate to the NFL where the QB’s are savvier and the running backs are tougher/faster. He also doesn’t go for the ball despite using his hands that much. So fundamentally, i think we’d have to completely reteach this kid how to tackle and that would be rough and even then he’d likely revert under pressure so you’d end up with the DDR of the defense. He’s a better fit somewhere else.
That said, I don’t really like Watt for us either. He overpursues too much and can leave gaping holes where he should have been. He was lucky in college that wasn’t exploited. On top of that, the AFC East has some of the best tackles in the game, it’d be a rough season for him. Watt reminds me a lot of Mike Wright. He might become the next Vanden Bosch though.
Heyward would be the safer 3 down end. He’s shown talent, can take on multiple blocks, has great play awareness, doesn’t surrender lanes and can rush if need be. He won’t find the quarterback every time but that’s not what we’re looking for. We have Wright and Moore for 3rd and long. We need someone for the other situations, and that’s what Heyward fits.
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by satsunada on Apr 14, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I can see that.
I see Heyward and Jordan as similar prospects and if Heyward can put everything together, he’ll be just as, if not more, productive than Jordan. Jordan is the consistent version of Heyward.
by Richard Hill on Apr 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Consistent version of Heyward?
Heyward reads plays faster and moves to contain and make the tackle if he can. Jordan hunts the ball carrier and then hand tackles him. Does Jordan get more tackles and sacks? Yes. However Heyward helps the TEAM more through assured containment. If Heyward is given the green light (which i’m assuming he got less of last year), then he should get more consistent. It’s also easier to see that Heyward is more consistent in the film room than any other end available.
I’ll give Jordan this, he’s versatile and fast, but I doubt his ability to tackle cleanly and his ability to react to the speed of the game. These are two very dangerous doubts. Couple this with his 2009-2007 seasons being beside Alualu on the line and you can see that perhaps consistency was not the case. Last year was the only real opportunity to see what he could do alone and it was decent (possibly good) but that’s just one year of production and he knew he was playing for the draft. So did the coaches. After looking at Alualu’s game film, I’m noticing one other thing. The Cal defense is designed to have one person be a ‘gunner’ on the line. Alualu was different because he had real talent and went for the ball, Jordan does not and benefited greatly from the move to that spot. Coincidentally, you know who else was fast, slow at reacting to plays, and made lots of hand tackles? Vernon Gholston.
Heyward, on the other hand, was on a team playing for a national championship. It wasn’t as much about him as the team and, as a defensive captain, he knew he had to make the team better. So instead of amassing gaudy stats, he set up the TEAM for opportunities and made the line better by sealing his gaps, keeping containment and watching the evolution of the play. This does not say “inconsistent” to me. It says dedicated. Showing up in big games was not some fluke either. He knew he had to take over when needed to ensure a victory but, again, never at the cost or detriment of the team. Heyward’s reaction time, at some points, speaks of hours of film watching and a great memory.
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by satsunada on Apr 14, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Both players are projects...
…and both need to pack on the pounds. You can say that Heyward was playing his role on the team and trying to let other players make the plays and that’s true, but if you watch, he’s not making holes. He’s not collapsing the pocket. He’s not pushing double teams. He’s not splitting double teams consistently. Heyward’s a smart player and you’re right that he can make moves to get towards the ball tackler, but he tunnel visions and forgets that he needs to be aware that a player is about to cut block him.
Jordan does everything that Heyward does, every game of the season. If Heyward was able to step up and dominate during the bowl game, with no detriment to the rest of his game, why didn’t he dominate the rest of the season? That doesn’t make much sense. If he was able to play as lights out as he did during the bowl game, that involved shutting down the run, crashing the pocket, and lane contain, why didn’t he do that in every game all season? I don’t agree with that logic. Maybe if Heyward showed that he could be that dominant during the whole season, I’d agree, but he wasn’t.
by Richard Hill on Apr 14, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No Jordan does not. Do you go to Cal or are you related to Michael Silver?
He doesn’t have gap control, arm tackles most of the time, doesn’t go for the ball and is slow to read plays. He plays the gunner on the line and that’s it. He stayed as a senior because he didn’t want to enter the same draft as Alualu and expected his coaches to put him in the gunner slot on the line to compensate him for that decision. They did. He benefited. There’s nothing in his production up to that point to say he would do better and even in Alualu’s years, he’s usually the first guy to MISS the tackle. Jordan’s efforts created holes for other teams to exploit if they could get around his hands. No one in the Pac 10 had any form of useful running game last year either so that helped pad his numbers.
Heyward didn’t play lights out because he was playing for the team. Oh.. and you want a reason to step up in the Arkansas game? How bout this. His team has gotten crushed by the SEC in the last decade to the point that his conference looks like crap. One more loss to lowly Arkansas in a bowl game might cost his coach his job, especially given the ramifications of the cheaters on his team. On top of that, he knew he was playing his last collegiate game and wanted to go out on a high note. So to sum up, he played for this coach, his teammates, memories and his conference. The rest of the year, focus on helping the team GET to that point. If the nose tackle or DT on that side sucked, you have to compensate. Unlike Jordan and Watt, who left their line dangling in the wind on many occasions. They are NOT Patriot DE’s in any way shape or form. Heyward is.
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by satsunada on Apr 15, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Disagree.
Tressel is not losing his job if they lose that game. That’s absurd. You’re also saying that he wasn’t playing for all of those things for the rest of the season? Or that he wasn’t playing as hard for those things the rest of the season? That’s what I mean by CONSISTENCY. If he can do it for the bowl game, why did he not do it the rest of the season?
I also don’t know where you’re getting your evaluation of Jordan. I disagree entirely with your summary. He played next to some pretty terrible talent so you’ll see a lot of outlets and escape routes due to the poor play of his surrounding talent. If you watch Jordan and his role, he does a great job. He actually compensates for the poor defensive tackle play next to him and his teammate was consistently washed out of plays.
I agree that Watt jumps through the line and abandons his lane. Jordan does not do that. Heyward is a talent if he can put everything together, there’s no denying that. I just disagree with your assessment that he has put it together all season. He hasn’t. Watch him against Illinois and you’ll see a player get washed out by a single tackle on numerous occasions. That’s some weak competition not to thrive against. Those are the teams that you want to see some consistency against and Heyward was far from consistent. It’s great and all to see him have an excellent day in the bowl game. Fact is, he did not perform at that level for the rest of the season.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Then we agree to disagree
Tressel likely does lose his job if they lose that game and the NCAA findings that he hid things for months come out. Sorry, 4 failures against one conference AND an NCAA sanction is too much for almost any coach. It’s not absurd at all.
Terrible talent this last season? Sure. Terrible talent before that? No. Not by far. However, the schemes were designed for someone to do what he did. There can be system players at almost all positions. Given the system, he should have performed better this year. He didn’t excel enough to warrant it. Aside from that, you mention Illinois against Heyward, yet you post a video of Jordan against an even worse team in Colorado. Jordan has not impressed me enough to warrant the high praise as he has some very dangerous downsides. While I would put him above around Watt as far as talent and skill, I cannot, in good conscious, place his worth above Heyward based purely on a combine and a system designed to help him get stats.
Heyward has consistency issues at times. However, his play is supportive of the defense as a whole. Sure it’s not pretty at times and I’ll agree on the issue of tunnel vision on occasion, but he’s also playing against larger and more powerful offensive lines than Jordan. It’s difficult to compare the two based purely on level of competition. Heyward, in my mind, is a better study and more team oriented. We don’t need a sackhappy defensive end. We have that. We need a 3 down player, which is what Heyward is. Jordan would be lucky to find a spot on the final roster.
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by satsunada on Apr 15, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
If Tress had lost the game, and the new email stuff came out (osu was already investigating it before the leak) I think his seat might have been hot. Not sure he would get fired but I’m pretty sure they would have promoted him to Athletic director after the 2011 season and hired Urban Meyer (who moved back to Ohio) ughhhhhhhh
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I'm still not getting where you believe the system is set up for Jordan to rack up stats?
I’m also not seeing Jordan not supporting the rest of his defense. When you’re on a #1 team in the nation, you’re going to be surrounded by other talent and you can trust them to actually perform. When you’re on a low level team, you don’t have that luxury. I don’t think you can justify Heyward’s stats by saying, “oh, he was letting the team succeed” and then go and say that Jordan’s low stats were a result of poor performance. It’s just not true.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if you are referring to OSU as the no 1 team in the nation
if so, I highly disagree.
On the D line
-Cam Heyward 1st round talent
-Dexter Larimore DT Projected UDFA. Fits well w. his home state team of the Colts.
-John Simon Sophomore; DT 6’2 260 lbs. I see not NFL prospect for him. Have no idea why they use a 260 lbs DT as the 3 tech sometimes 5 tech.
-Nathan Williams DE/LB (7 tech; 2pt stance) 6’4 250 lbs. Decent. No a great pass rusher but really good as a coverage LB. Reminds me of Ninkovich.
LB’s
-Ross Homan -Projected 5-7th round 4-3 WLB. Decent
-Brian Rolle 5’9 MLB Only fits a tampa 2 team team.
Trust me, this 2010 OSU defense was actually worse than the 2009 OSU defense that was ranked 3rd in the country.
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I mean...
…there’s more talent on the OSU defense than the California defense. There’s no denying that when you compare recruiting classes. All I was getting at.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
No clue where you're getting that...
Cal has some of the best recruits in the country regarding defensive linemen according to Rivals, particularly the last 2 years. Add that to having Alualu on the line and it’s been a pretty stable tenure for talent. In recent years, they’ve even had better incoming classes than Ohio St. according to rivals. So to say the level of talent around him was less than at Ohio St. is nearly preposterous. Couple this with the fact that Cal played alot of pass heavy teams and you’ll see a penchant for blown up stats regarding sacks and tackles for loss. When they did face real talent, they sucked last year. On top of all this, there aren’t any real ground games OR large linemen in the Pac 10 so again, the level of talents as far as opponents goes was weak at best.
As to your argument that the defense didn’t support some manner of gunner in the scheme, please explain to me why on MANY plays I’ve seen with Alualu and Jordan, there seems to be one person who doesn’t have any containment role. The rest of the line sits back and watches out but one guy gets to do whatever the heck he wants. It’s similar to how a few NFL teams work, like Dallas with Ware. We don’t let Wilfork roam around and gain huge numbers, wouldn’t it also be logical that some coaches have systems that benefit stat gains? Especially for outgoing seniors who stayed to protect their draft status/paycheck by not going out the same year as a teammate? Cal wasn’t playing for a championship either. You don’t gain recruits by kneecapping your outgoing class so they HAD to push his numbers.
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by satsunada on Apr 15, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is all just not true?
Ohio State is always a top recruiting class in the nation. That’s absurd to even say that California is similar. Looking at the overall level of talent, OSU brings in superior talent every single year.
If you watch Jordan play, he’s not just penetrating. He’s watching gaps. I’m not sure what games you’re watching that prove this? He’s able to dominate the opposing line and still maintain gap control.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying a school that can recruit in a state with 57 million people, competing against a school in sanctions and in a major conference can't recruit?
How did they get Jahvid Best, Alualu, or even Jordan for that matter? How do you bash their recruiting while at the same time projecting them to have a second 1st round defensive linemen in 2 years? Did you even go to rivals to look? Here’s some numbers in overall recruiting:
2011 – Cal #17 nationally, OSU #11
2010 – Cal #11, OSU #25
2009 – Cal #42, OSU #3
2008 – Cal #34, OSU #3
And for the record, coming out of high school, Cameron Jordan was a 3 star prospect and Cameron Heyward was 4. Sure, historically there wasn’t alot of talent pre-2005 at Cal. However, you can mitigate 2008 and 2009 with the fact that Alualu was there along with Jordan. 2010 saw fast improvement and it’s getting better as long as USC is in sanctions. In any case, Cal hasn’t dropped from the top 50 in the time frame we need to look at. That says alot.
Actually it’s his job to penetrate. And if he is watching gaps, I can’t tell. Perhaps it’s the extremely slow reaction time to plays that has me confused. For that I apologize.
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Man...that 08 class had two
jackwagons wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overrated. They were 5 star recruits.
Lt- Mike Adams sucks
Rt-JB Shugart..let’s see…waste of space, a 80 year old grandma could block better. I wish Shugart was part of the tatt 5. Less games he plays gives the new QB more time.
Btw OSU isn’t under any sanctions nor have they….maybe in 6months to a year blah.
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I did go to Rivals.
I’d say that’s a pretty big disparity. 42-3 and 34-3 as the players who are the expected starters this past season. Don’t just look at the defensive line, but look at the entire defense. I didn’t say that California couldn’t recruit, but that Ohio State was able to (and you proved it) bring in higher ranked prospects.
by Richard Hill on Apr 16, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait.. so you're admitting Heyward is better because he was ranked higher
This is becoming mind boggling how you’re arguing this. You called Cal a small school which I verified it wasn’t. You said they lacked talent, which I showed you they didn’t. There are a few 4 and 5 star recruits on the defensive line but apparently that wasn’t important. He lined up across from Alualu for 2 years so they was a benefit. The last great Ohio St. defensive lineman drafted above 3rd round was, lemme check, Will Smith in 2004 (not counting OLB like Hawk or Gholston). All the rest were picked after the 3rd round and last year the first DE/DT picked was in the 7th round and then you have to go back 3 YEARS to get the next one. Cal is similar but they had a 1st round last year.
Are you a lawyer? If so, I don’t want to take this much further or I’ll get annoyed.
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The consistency is the difference between being ranked in the teens,
and being ranked in the 20s. Most 1st rounders should have the same ceiling, it’s whether they approached it in college, or only flashed the potential.
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by insertscreenname on Apr 14, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously? Cam Jordan better than JJ Watt??? Are you insane? Put the game tape on. Cam Jordan looks lost against CU (not ranked). JJ Watt showed his dominance against a then #1 ranked OU. JJ Watt is the best 4-3 DE in this draft – it’s his hand placement/hand moves, incredible length and extra motor that make him a better player than Heyward or Jordan. Plus, he went up against the best O Line in the country in practice.
by Vijay Swearingen on Apr 15, 2011 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
I'd put Heyward and Wilkerson over Watt.
Jordan looks far from lost against Colorado and Watt put on a show against OSU- but if you watch his fundamentals, he did a terrible job. Left his lane, useless against the run, and showed poor burst at the end of plays.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Preach it, Rich!
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by insertscreenname on Apr 15, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
useless against the run against Ohio State?
Are you SERIOUS, Rich?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 15, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah.
Hyperbolic, but he’s far from an elite run defender. Mike Wright-like.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I know.
Watt has his flaws. He’ll run himself out of a play, but he’s definitely an explosive rusher and would be a great asset to a team that needs DL help (hello, Buffalo).
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 15, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
He’s the best pass rushing 3-4 DE in the draft, but I don’t think he’s the overall package the Patriots want. He is perfect for a team like the Texans, Bills or Broncos who will be playing hybrid 3-4/4-3 defenses since he can be a force in both.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Rich, guess what
You looked at a highlight vid(watts game against OSU) and found flaws with fundamentals. ;)
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Haha I wouldn't call that a highlight video
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
No. But apparently he DID do well against them
or at least thats what the stats say. =/
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and thats what I do in actual highlight vids.
I find their flaws. XD
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by PatNation85 on Apr 16, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
3-4 DE
Guess the Colts must have the best Tackles in the country then, because they practice against the best 2 DEs in the country. That means nothing, unless he was embarrassing that O-line in practice.
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by insertscreenname on Apr 15, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Not going to lie Mr. Hill
I actually think that Jordan would be a better fit now that I think about it. He might be shorter, but he is definitely better than Heyward. Heyward is a 3rd round pick at best
Disagree.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but Heyward is still a first round pick. I have him a hair below Jordan. I think his ceiling is higher than Jordan’s. I think Jordan’s floor is higher than Heyward’s. I think they’re both Patriots’ players and when it comes to value, I think Heyward presents much greater value at the end of the first. I think Heyward should be a mid round pick, especially if that’s where Jordan and Watt are valued. If Heyward is around at 25ish, he should be the pick. Jordan’s value is around 17, so he’ll be a fair value pick. I value Heyward in the mid-20s, which means that he’ll be good value at 28.
It depends on what you want. Higher floor or higher ceiling.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
yes it was sarcasm
I think Heyward is better. He fits the scheme better
I never said they didn't
I said that Heyward fits it better
pretty much all the reasons of the more educated people than me above
dude, in all truthiness, if the Patriots pick the guy, I will love him until he makes me hate him (a la Laurence Maroney)
Hehe.. i kinda have the same belief for anyone they draft to be honest
Love them til they make me hate em
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Here are some more draft profiles:
Jordan vs Tyron Smith and Smith gets away with holds the entire game. Still does a solid job.
CBS: “He posted career highs in tackles (62) and tackles for loss (12??), despite his primary job being to occupy blockers in the running game.”
Mocking the Draft
Draft Breakdown: “He reads plays and reacts with quickness that that is top notch. He displays great football instincts.”
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NFL Soup
NFL Draft Geek: Interview
KFFL
Tyron Smith is #70 right? Jesus. He’s considered at #9???
by quadruple option on Apr 15, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
He was holding on for dear life against Jordan. I have Castonzo and Carimi and Sherrod over Smith.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't tell Jerrah down in Dallas
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by insertscreenname on Apr 15, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Smith? Holds the entire game?
I'm just shocked. Imagine that.
No, I think Smith projects as the next Alex Barron more than anyone else in this class.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 15, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just flabbergasted...
…on why they’re predicting that a college RT would project to be an elite NFL LT as the #1 OT prospect this year.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
They being the non-NFL guys.
I’d less concerned about a guy’s future if Matt Millen were praising him.
Okay, maybe not.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Apr 15, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He wouldn't have been their RT if they hadn't had Charles Brown and Kalil's brother at LT
he was just odd man out. But yeah, the more I watch, the more he gets owned. I don’t have a problem with him playing either tackle spot, I do have a problem with the lack of talent in order to execute at either position.
WE ARE PENN STATE
On a side note, for linemen, can you list bench reps and 3-cone drills or other more relevant stats?
40 times on someone that needs to move 10 feet seems somewhat irrelevant. Even the 10 yard time would be more relevant.
If knowledge is power and power corrupts...
Sure!
I was just staying consistent with the format.
by Richard Hill on Apr 15, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
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