March 2014: Will the Patriots Trade Tom Brady?
by Ashto12 on May 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT
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PrintNow that the 2011 NFL Draft is complete, I will be writing a number of articles, based on thoughts I had following the Patriots draft class of 2011.
DISCLAIMER: I am and always will respect what Tom Brady has done in his career. He is my 2nd favourite Patriot (behind Belichick) and will perpetually have my admiration. So, anyone who wants to bash me after reading this article, please remember that!
March 2014 and the following months could be the most exciting, nauseating and vital period in the history of the New England Patriots. At that point in time, Tom Brady will have been a quarterback for the New England Patriots for 14 years and will be entering his 15th year and final year of the contract extension he signed in September 2010. At the same time, Ryan Mallet could be three years into his career with the New England Patriots, having honed his skills under Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. In this writer's opinion, the Patriots and Bill Belichick could be in an outstanding position to cash in on Tom Brady and really secure the long term success of the team.
Following the selection of Ryan Mallet in the 3rd Round of the 2011 NFL Draft, NFL Network analyst and former quarterback Kurt Warner text Tom Brady to find out his thoughts, to which Brady responded that he intends to play for another ten years. My initial thoughts were - great! Not only does Tom predict a long career for himself but it certainly seems the selection of Mallet will bring out the famous competitor in Brady, which can only be good for the New England Patriots. However, I came to the realisiation that while I want Brady to play for a long time at a high level with the Patriots, I certainly do not want him to retire a Patriot, and you can be sure that neither does Bill Belichick.
It all boils down to Belichick's central principle - value. At some stage or another, Bill Belichick is going to cash in on Tom Brady. Do not doubt it. While it may not be in 2014, when it does happen, I'm sure thousands of Patriot fans will be enraged, Jet fans will rejoice when he goes and Bill will say in his presser that it was for the good of the team, long term, much to the anger of some Patriot followers, who wanted to see their most revered idol ride away into a retirement sunset with one final Super Bowl ring on his finger. While the Super Bowl would be nice, in some ways that would be a missed opportunity for the game's most dynamic mind.
Imagine that prior to the economic crisis, you purchased a quantity of unbelievable stock in a Dow Jones listed company. You held that stock for years, and annually it rose tremendously in value. You come close to retirement and think about selling up, but you just want one or two more years, just to squeeze that little bit extra out of your nest egg. Then...the recession hits and all value is lost. Now if Brady does retire a Patriot, it will in no way be crippling to the organisation, since preparations will be made. However, if indeed Tom does retire a Patriot, all the value he has accumulated as a player in 15+ years of playing the game will be lost.
That is why March 2014 could be the most important period of transition in Patriot history. With one year remaining on his contract at that time and Ryan Mallet having been under Brady's tutelage for three years, the Patriots could make a decision similar to the one they made with Richard Seymour, where a trade was made to recoup some value for a start player. Before you say that Seymour is not Brady, and the two situations are worlds apart, consider the comments made by Bill Belichick following the trade which sent star defensive lineman Richard Seymour to the Oakland Raiders:
"From nearly the day he arrived in 2001, Richard Seymour established himself as one of our premier players for nearly a decade. His presence has been felt as a force on the field, a respected man off it and a multi-year champion.
"Any transaction we make is with the goal of what is best for our team and, as difficult as it is to part ways with a player of Richard's stature, many factors were taken into account when we considered this trade. As an organization, we feel the trade with Oakland brings sufficient value and is in the long-term interest of the club.
"We are extremely grateful for the huge impact Richard's elite level of performance had on our success and we wish him the very best during the rest of his career."
Premier player, force on the field, respected off the field and a multi-year champion. Those are just a few expressions one could apply to Tom Brady, aren't they? And while Belichick acknowledges that it is difficult to part ways with someone with these characteristics, decisions are always made "in the long term interests of the club."
Should Mallet be ready to step into the void and be a successful starting quarterback in this league, then there is no doubt in my mind that Bill will think seriously about a trade come March 2014. Should he decide to do so, he will thank Tom for all that he has done, both for the Patriots and for Belichick himself, shake his hand and Brady will be on his way for a plethora of draft picks to a team only a quarterback away from a title contender, for the simple reason that it is "what is best for our team."
There aren't many reasons to believe Mallet won't be able to assume control of this team and offense in three years' time. He was a two year captain at Arkansas, where he excelled in a pro-style offense. He is actually much taller that Tom Brady with a stronger arm, vital for driving throws through the winter weather in Foxborough. Importantly, Mallet has very good accuracy on short, intermediate and long throws, although he needs to develop his footwork and accuracy when put under heavy pressure. This is a player who Belichick admits he could not tire out in the class room and has a distinct love of the game - not the lifestyle. More and more, Mallet's personification in the media seems like a witch hunt, simply because a Mallet was fairly robotic and didn't give too much to the media when questioned. And that is not familiar at all, is it!?
Tom Brady will be almost 37 in March 2014. For a quarterback that does not take too many hits, he will still be one of the best quarterbacks in the league, planning to play into his forties. The Chicago Bears gave up two 1st round draft picks for Jay Cutler! Imagine what the Patriots could get for Tom Brady, despite his age. Imagine what that could do with such a war chest for the long term interests of the New England Patriots. Bill Belichick will be doing exactly the same.
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I hit the wrong button!!!!
Brady will retire a New England Patriot
Keep the faith!
by Marima on May 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Please, please trade away Brady for Bledsoe 2.0
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
by dmstorm22 on May 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
who recd this lol
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I smell trolls...
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by insertscreenname on May 2, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a thought of sorts about this
That part of the drafting of Mallet could be that Kraft feels betrayed that Brady put his name to the lawsuit against the NFL, despite them always having their special relationship; ie. maybe their relationship has soured a little as a result.
I should also say that I don’t believe what I just said, this is just me throwing out a CRACKPOT conspiracy theory…. Brady is a winner, one of the greatest ever and I don’t seriously believe they’d endanger that.
I do think if Mallet looks to be the real deal, they’ll ship him somewhere else though.
Just trying to keep up.
I don't think Kraft feels betrayed or anthing like that
I think they took Mallet purely based on their draft board for value. I don’t even think the Patriots drafted Mallet with the intentions of having him replace Brady. But, if Mallet does progress to the point where he can play and win, I think they will assess their options.
Plus,
the best way to keep a veteran motivated is to have a couple starting-quality backups waiting behind him. Not that it was ever a concern with Brady, but you won’t see his work ethic or dedication tail off like we have with Donovan McNabb, for example, if there is a chance Hoyer or Mallett could step in and play as well as he is at that point.
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by PotM on May 1, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Ever?
If you think Bill will let him retire purely for sentimental reasons…well, it just doesn;t sound like Belichick does it?
BB has said it before though
that Tom (not referring to this) is a special person in the organization. That+ fact that people would literally not let him physically leave would be possible motives. Although I’m sure Brady will continue to give BB motives to keep him here. I think BB is looking at getting some hand jewelry.
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He's got rid of the local hero before
with Bernie Kosar in Cleveland. I think Bill will understand that Tom was the key piece in winning the 3 SB’s, so there may be an element of sentimentality there. Brady is basically a playing version of Bill. They are very close but even Brady has acknowledged that he will only be with the Patriots if it makes sense from a value perspective. Brady has acknowledged that he is expendable.
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Brady will retire a Patroit.
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Two main problems
1. Brady will not let his play drop under the level of his value. Maybe when he is 40. To BB, value is a 2 way street. What is he getting, what is he giving away. Giving away the (possibly still) best QB in the league is almost never a good trade until they are surefire going to diminish. Don’t want to give Brady any sorta extra drive with another team to go win a SB, unless it is a trade after the SB but before the draft, where we are guaranteed their entire draft or something like that.
2. Seymour comparison isn’t great, because Seymour was gonna cash in heavily as a FA. Brady won’t do that. He won’t want to go somewhere else. By that time, he+Gisele = 9 digits in savings. He cares about winning. They give him any sort of incentive to stay, he will. You always are going to be paying your QB a decent sum. Seymour was looking for waaaay too much.
I really hope Brady stays. I think because he basically is the franchise, that the value will never be there to trade him away. He’s going to be a top 5 QB for the majority if not the rest of his career. Keep Brady.
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I agree that his play will not diminish, as he takes care of himef and doesn't take the hits
But as you rightly suggest, in a few years time he will remain possibly the best QB or one of the best in the league. But he won’t play forever. Even if Brady was traded and won a SB win another team, I think Bill would take that for the ammunition to win multiple superbowls for the following decade
Bill's goal is to win the Superbowl every year
he’s not going to make a team better than the Pats.
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What I mean is that if Bill traded Brady
Bill would still expect to win the SB every year, but since that’s impossible, if Brady won the SB elsewhere, Bill would be ok so long as the original trade set the Patriots up both for the present and long term to be a serious challenger every year.
Too many factors to consider between than and now
If Mallet develops into a legit QB (a la Rodgers, behind Favre) andif Brady begins to show signs of decline, they will absolutely trade Brady. However, those are two incredibly, incredibly uncertain propositions. Brady could still be a rockstar in 2014, and they could release Mallet next offseason. It’s just to hard to say.
But if the question is, “Would the Patriots trade Brady, under the right circumstances?”, the answer is absolutely yes.
Love Brady to death
but, BB has always said, everyone is expendable, Tom included. I see that as an entirely realistic scenario. If in three years Mallet has the confidence of Bill, and BB feels he can get good value for Tom (I don’t even know what the compensation would be..2 firsts maybe? Wouldn’t be what Broncos got for Jay, Brady would be to old) he’ll pull the trigger in a second. Same way he always had.
I’ve never thought Tom was going to do retire a Patriot, he has to much competitive spirit to retire in 3-4 years and Bill is to smart (and coldly so) to keep him into his 40s
I actually think the Patriots would get even more than the Cutler deal
even at that age. Teams are desperate to win, and know that if they just need a qb as the last piece, they would offer some pretty good compensation.
just a QB away from a championship? If you dont have a QB, then you are not just a QB away from the super bowl
by POV on May 1, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The Vikings were a QB away in 2009
and added Farve. They probably should have beaten the Saints in the NFCCG but for that dumbass interception and the Peterson fumbles.
they may have beaten the saints if it werent for favre making that horrible decision on their last drive
by POV on May 1, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
well damn
the vikings and favre is the most extreme example of adding a QB and contending that year. But they only won 1 playoff game the entire time favre was there (and that was against the cowboys, spit spit).
by POV on May 1, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the Jets in the last two years...
They carry Sanchez 80% of the time. They made the AFCCG two year running with pretty poor QB play. Obviously they will let Sanchez develop but the point is there are often examples of teams with very good who with the help of a quality quarterback, would possibly go all the way.
Bears would benefit from Brady, too.
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Actually no
A reporter asked him who was expendable after the Moss trade. BB said everyone except Tom.
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That is not a perpetual label for brady
5 years down the line with a backup who could take over that changes
Is this really a question?
In a few years, when his performance begins to decline, he is going to be traded for a huge price to a team needing a veteran QB. I know he is the greatest player in team history, but that’s not going to count for anything when things reach that point. It’s been said before: no player is above the team; it’s the same reason they don’t trade every pick into the top 15 to grab every pass rusher and deep threat in the draft. Every decision made by the front office will be in the best interest of the team.
Deep in enemy territory
Mallett fell so far
he was probably the best choice in the entire draft. No one knows if a young person with problems will adjust or succeed. He had to be a serious consideration for several 1st Rd teams. He isn’t Brady’s competion he’s Hoyer’s and Hoyer is signed only through 2011. Also in an 18 game schedule ;if it happens] 3 QB’s are a must. If Brady wants to leave eventually he will. If Hoyer wasnts to compete for a starting job he may leave next year.
Mallet was the best pick in the entire draft
arguably the best, if not 2nd best, pure QB in the draft at pick #74. I’d rather have Mallet over cam newton, jake locker, and Ponder.
by POV on May 1, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Tom the sacred cow...no, they'll trade him if they get a good offer, but the question you should really be asking is where is the succession planning for BB?
Whether Brady leaves a year early or not is basically the difference of a second round pick or not, its not that important other than the sentimentality of it etc (I could only really see Brady wanting to play for SF but who knows)
Mallett could be the heir apparent, though if you read what they said they really just thought it was good value, and whether they end up trading him or he becomes the boy is up to him…same as they always think.
What Pats fans should really be worried about is, BB is not going to develop a whole new generation. He is 59 by the time Bradys contract us up he will be like 63. It’s all well and good not having O and D coordinators, but Kraft better start thinking how is he going to capitalize on BB…then again Kraft is 69 so perhaps he’s had his ride…
I can't see Jonathan changing a lot.
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by insertscreenname on May 1, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Belichick is a heartless SOB
And that is a large part of what makes him the greatest coach/GM ever. He never lets emotion or the thought of fan backlash get in the way of a sound football decision. Don’t believe me? Let me count the ways: Bledsoe; Malloy; Law; Wille; Assante; Vrable; Seymour; Moss-sucks; and countless other players who where released/traded when they were exactly at the top (and starting to head down the other side) of the curve of their usefulness. And he wont do the same for Brady? He is going to sit back when Brady is 37/38 and on the decline and let him do a Favre when he could make a monster trade (how much would SF give for a 37 old Brady?)? Please – get your head out of your ( ) and be honest with yourself. If Kraft let BB get rid of Bledsoe, it will be no different with TB12.
Maybe it's my heart talking
But I believe Brady will retire as a Patriot, being that in a couple of years or in a decade.
Of course I’m very excited about Mallett but I don’t think Belichick and Mr. Kraft would open space for him(Trading Brady) to take over the Franchise unless Brady’s production take a big drop in the next years.
I truly understand and respect your POV though.
Is it me or did anyones stomach churn at the thought of this cuz mine did I hope that day never comes I would much rather 2012 happen then see brady traded away just sayin
by alweezy61 on May 1, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm Just Saying
I’m no big Mallet fan but considering his arm strength hieght and team that drafted him, he just might end up being a superstar or have serious superstar potential in a few years. From the looks of things the only reason he wasn’t a top 15 caliber pick is because off the field issues and lack of mobility. He does have a little bit of an elongated throwing motion but his velocity probably makes up for this. Let’s assume that the combination of being passed on multiple times by multiple teams and the fact that Belichick will be his coach will fix his off field issues. His mobility is no better or worse than Brady’s. Although Brady’s footwork and pocket presence is second to none. When all is said and done Mallet has a good shot at being a super bowl caliber QB for the Patriots in 2014.
Without question they will. This is the Pats we're talking about here. No feelings involved. It's thanks and goodbye.
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I have been wondering what the implication of Mallets signing with Patriots right after Patriots picked him.
If Mallet develops as I expect him to, it will put a lot of pressure to let Brady go in 3 or 4 years. Mallet may just be too talented.
I hope they can sign Mallet to 10 year contract. :-) (well, at least 4)
They could trade Mallet down the road but it could be like trading away a very young new and improved Brady/Manning. SCARY THOUGHT!!!
Patriot fans will be between a big rock and a very hard ground. It will be even harder if Brady wins 2 or 3 more Superbowls. Brady wants to play till 43 years old.
Maybe Mallet busts or has accident so we can keep Brady a life long patriot and not have to ever visit this question ever.
I had ambivalent feeling about pick because of this.
Three years down the road we will visit this very difficult question.
What would be fair compensation trading him if Mallet looks like a potential future hall of famer up there with brady and manning.
That's a bad thing?!
Having to choose between two amazing QBs is a very, very healthy thing. See: Favre/Rodgers Green Bay Packers. See: Montana/Young 49ers.
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If BB trades TB12 he better have a dozen ex-Israeli special forces bodyguards
Cos I’ll be coming for him
by quadruple option on May 1, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
Protecting Brady
1st choice was OL. 2 RB’s before Mallett. They are supposed to be good blockers. 3rd round QB’s won’t get 120 million. Brady must know we like him. 4 years from now he may want to leave on his own. If Cotton gets healthy he should really help too. Looks like we are trying to help him have a nice long career. All the complaints about the draft are we didn.t get a pass rusher.
Cotton being...?
Cannon?
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by insertscreenname on May 1, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!!
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Someday Belichick will leave too.
Belichick will have been with the Pats even longer than Brady. The reality is that Belichick is on the side of his career that is closer to retiring or in need of a change of scenery. At some point, Bill will be gone and being the football historian he is, I think it will mean more to him to finish his career with the Pats with Brady.
I think we need to re-address this concept of Bill and his desire for value. I can’t assign high value to our first four picks this year because they were reaches. That doesn’t mean they weren’t the right picks for this team, it means he probably could have traded down and still got them. So in terms of value picks, I would give the first 4 picks a C. In terms of the players, I’d give a B+/A- for Solder and Dowling, and a C for the two running backs. Bill isn’t a good RB drafter and I think there were other things we could have done with the picks, even if it meant trading for next year.
Mallet and Cannon represent value because they were projected to go higher than we got them. So, comparing the first 6 picks, I think Bill demonstrated that value isn’t always his priority. Also, I hate Mallet pick because I think he is the wrong qb for the team and the stock piling of two first round picks for next year, we have the power to move up and get someone even better. If we really needed a long term project QB, McElroy would have been the better fit.
McElroy has a piece of spaghetti for an arm,
And will top out in the NFL as a backup who could start in a pinch. Mallett should probably have been the #1 pick, if it weren’t for some concerns over character (even though Newton has similar issues…). I’ll take the cannon over the noodle, every day, if the other things are the same. From what I’ve seen and read, they are.
As for value, isn’t that what Belichick always talks about? We know he’s not going to reach for a player, or he might have taken one of the D-linemen at 28 instead of trading down. He must have had Dowling as a mid 1, or he wouldn’t have taken him with the first pick. Vereen must have been ranked early 2nd, or he wouldn’t have drafted him in the late 2nd. Solder was the rated the 2nd best (or better) tackle on most boards, including Parcells’, so is it a stretch to think he was Bill’s top T? Top tackle in the draft, taken at 17? I’ll take that.
You don’t think Bill’s a good RB drafter, I’m guessing because he took Maroney in the first? Even though the Colts and everyone else had him as their RB. He was a crappy TE drafter until last year, then. IT’S THE PLAYERS, not the guy picking them.
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by insertscreenname on May 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Prob Costanzo
they needed a T that could play right away. Solder still needs a bit of refinement before he becomes Vollmer 2.0. Costanzo is a little more pro-ready, not as much potential.
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Solder is actually just as intelligent
the only true difference was pro readiness vs. upside. Both will be upper echelon OT’s in 2 years or so.
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Castonzo is a Rhodes Scholar candidate, biochemiostry major
he’s really, really smart. I don’t know if that would make him a better player, but that played a part in the Colts thinking.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Solder won some academic+football award that I can't remember.
Either way, I can see either being the top on many boards.
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They both were.
Both good players. It’ll be interesting to watch their careers.
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Gotta agree that Castonzo is smarter.
Solder is still smart, but Castonzo’s with Greg McElroy as a “nerd.”
Brady is a Patriot.
Even if Belichick wants to trade him, what makes you think he will want to be traded? I see him as one of the, if not the symbol of the organization. When he retires I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a job as a coach or something like that.
I see a 'FORK in the road!
by New Century Silver on May 1, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
I can see Manning becoming a coach.
Don’t think he’ll be a very good one, though. Too much natural talent to coach the guys without it.
Dollars to donuts Brady walks away from football, then comes back 3 or 4 years later as some kind of QB mentor (Tom Martinez?). Politics will be his future, I think.
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by insertscreenname on May 1, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
a minature lap giraffe?
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by insertscreenname on May 2, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
When does 'want to' come into it?
I’m sure Seymour and Vrabel didn’t want to be traded to the Raiders and Chiefs
Just one of those things that is better to not think about
Tom Brady is one of the guys that made me fall in love with football. His story. His competitive edge. He is a guy that any and all youngsters should look up to. He epitomizes what a player should strive to be. He is coachable. He is competitive. He wants to be the best. He has a chip on his shoulder. He is a perfectionist. When he works out he wants to make sure that he worked harder than anyone else that day. He remembers his roots. He has passion for the game. He has confidence. Oh, and he is good. 2008 broke my heart. To even think about 2008 being a permanent thing makes me sad. There will be a moment when all parties involved know it is the time. Hopefully it is when the fans will understand the move as well so we don’t have to deal with idiots at that time of heartbreak.
by pats4life on May 1, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100% Pats4life
with how you described Brady !!! That description would also perfectly describe Montana when he played for the 49ers, and they traded him, (not sure what they got for him) however they had Young in the wings, and Montana’s ability was slowly diminishing, but he still had good value. I am sure when that trade took place, no one was more broken hearted than a kid we all know as TB12. Football is a cold hard business. The owners know that, the coaches know that, and the players know that. We as fans are really the only one’s that seem to have a difficult time digesting that concept, and in that, we have that luxury as fans….. Trent Dilfer described Mallet as the only QB in this draft that could make consistent accurate throws in tight windows that only 4 or 5 Quarterbacks playing in the NFL now can make on a consistent basis. He mentioned Brady, Peyton, Breese, Rodgers, and maybe one more, not sure. If the Pats have a quarterback in the wings that can be of that quality, or close, and I say IF, than we can all bet our houses that the Pats would make the trade. My opinion….
by FloridaPatsFan on May 2, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Montana trade
Montana missed the entire 1991 season and most of the 1992 season with an elbow injury that he had sustained during the 1991 preseason. He’d already been replaced by Young since he couldn’t play.
If Belichick or Kraft is ever stupid enough to get rid of Brady
I hope Brady wins back-to-back Super Bowls and MVPs with another team, purely out of spite.
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such a non-fan statement
just disgusting
by pats4life on May 1, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It would be more disgusting to see the greatest quarterback of all time get traded.
It’s like when the Yankees traded Babe Ruth to the Braves. Business is business, I understand, but there are just some people you shouldn’t trade. Brady is one of them.
It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.
If you could trade Brady for a plethora of premier picks when he is in the twilight of his career
and have an awesome backup who has spent years learning the system (aaron rogers, steve young), you can’t not do it out of some sense of propriety or sentimentality.
you said that if a Patriots player leaves the Patriots
therefore no longer a Patriots player, you want him to win Super Bowls to spite the Patriots. That is some major bull crap to be spewing, regardless of how much you love Tom Brady. This is a Patriots site, not a Brady fanpage.
by pats4life on May 1, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
correction
This is a Patriots site, not a Colt’s site where they worship 5 head.
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by NinjaZX6R on May 1, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Was about to say that.
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by insertscreenname on May 2, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If that is his opinion then so be it. It is not your place to tell others that there statements are disgusting if they are
abiding by the laws/rules of SB Nation and PP.
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oh I'm sorry
I forgot that I’m not allowed to have an opinion about his opinion.
smh
and looking back on what I said
It was said in disgust of the idea of Brady being traded, and in a sort of adrenaline like mode. I obviously wouldn’t want the Pats to lose, I just would want Brady to be successful. It just sickens me to think that somebody who brought such success and greatness to this organization could be traded for “the betterment of the team.” I apologize if my statement offended you, or if it offended anybody else, I just suppose I have a glimmer of hope that Brady will be one of the few who retire a New England Patriot.
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The reasonable folks here know you meant no harm bro!
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"I just suppose I have a glimmer of hope that Brady will be one of the few who retire a New England Patriot"
But why??? Think about 5-10 years after Brady retires, if indeed he retires a patriot. Will it make a difference that you can say to yourself “I’m proud Brady retired a Patriot!” I would rather look at the team after he was traded and once his career is over and say the ultimate team player is still having an effect on this team, ensuring its success.
Except that Brady can still have an effect on the team
when he is on the team. He will be the best QB option this team has for the next 6-8 years. If he starts sucking, sure, trade him. If he isn’t, there is no point. I would rather see the team lose a few extra games with Brady than see him win a Super Bowl with another while he’s still awesome just because we want to build for the future. BB excels at building and at maintaining a great team. Without Brady, unless we have an Aaron Rodgers, the team is not great.
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well this just about sums up the problem with some of our fans
being more loyal to a player than to the team
i won't root for any other team
but I’ll always root for Brady (except against the Pats.) Like Ninja always rooting for Heyward. As I said, if Brady starts playing crappily, I have no problem trading him. Until he does that though, he is one of the few players where I can’t reason (unless it’s a huge offer like 3 1sts from a crappy team and Brady has 1 year left) why he should go.
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this is what you said
I would rather see the team lose a few extra games with Brady than see him win a Super Bowl with another while he’s still awesome just because we want to build for the future.
A. Yeah, I would not want to see another team win a super bowl.
that sentence means that if Brady is still at the top of his game, I would rather the Pats take the risk of whether he drops in level then shipping him off and seeing him still perform at a top level (unless we get the megadeal described earlier)
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so what you're saying is....
use common sense
that isn't allowed here
I won't be rooting for Heyward against us or our interest.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life.
In Bill We Trust.
Obviously
it was just making the point that even a certain player is not playing on your favorite team, you can still be a fan of them.
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Absolutely
I rooted for Bledsoe to do well (except when playing the Patriots) and Willie. I’m even hoping to see Randy catch on with a team (not the Jets or Colts) and do well.
Keep the faith!
You think Belichick,
the man who said he’s going to do what’s best for the team T – E – A – M, would keep someone if they’re holding the team back?
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by insertscreenname on May 2, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing
the choice with Brady won’t be if he’s holding them back. If he is, I have no problems with him leaving (stated in other comments before.) The question is do we sacrifice the present for a potentially ultimate future (the quantity and quality of players/draft picks, but we lose a top player at the most important position) or do we risk keeping Brady and saying we believe in him to continue his level of play up until his retirement.
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If he's playing well, you keep him.
If Mallett is sitting there for a couple of extra seasons, but is the guy, you pay him too. Eagles did it with Kolb, even though McNabb returned to the starting job in 09.
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by insertscreenname on May 2, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
See but if you keep him, then he plays bad
his value drops down. And what if Mallett isn’t the guy. You might have just passed up 2 1st rounders, something that gets you into the top 5 picks to get your QB of the future possibly (unless we try to develop some more late round prospects, but I don’t think we have enough data to be able to tell which one BB would prefer) for a crappy year of QB play.
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Someone would've said that about Favre in Green Bay, I'm sure...
but there’s always, always, always a time where keeping a QB (assuming he’s one of those guys who refuses to go gracefully) does more harm than getting rid of him one way or the other. I’d like to think that if Brady slips, he’d retire rather than drag things out, but if something Favre-like happens, adios, thanks for the memories.
Pats are more than Brady.
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IE - I still watched the games in 2008 when Brady was hurt, and I was just as proud (or even more so!) when they succeeded with Cassel and backups-of-backups playing and winning.
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by Comedic.Sans on May 2, 2011 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As all of us were
as stated, this isn’t Stampede
BlueFivehead. All patriots fans here, who want to see the team succeed. I’m just saying that I think keeping Brady as long as he isn’t the detriment is the smartest move for winning now (now as in 5 years from now) and in the far away future.
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Yeah as I said in that comment
if he holds us back, I have no problem with him leaving. The thing is, I don’t see him potentially holding us back until he’s 40. My main thing is that I don’t trade him until then unless you get some ridiculous trade offer from the raiders. Brady is the only player (more so because of his position than anything else) where I don’t trade him until he starts showing signs of poor play. BB is about winning now and in the future. Trading Brady away while he’s still playing awesome (even if there is value long term) is detrimental in the now. BB wants to win every year, and I don’t think he’ll trade away Tom until Brady is either not their best option at QB, or worth getting compensation from a crappy team that needs QB help.
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I knew where you were coming from
and it didn’t offend me. it isn’t like I want Brady gone either
Let's see
TB’s last two years have been his 2nd and 3rd best seasons in his tenure here. Like Marima said, He is just getting started. He had a year off from getting hit numerous times, and resting his arm in 2008. Unless he is throwing INTS like Brett Favre late in his career, he ain’t going anywhere.
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In Bill We Trust.
I agree completely and indeed it seems Brady is getting better
I hope he continues to get better but at some point he will reach the final few years of his career. Before the end comes, the Patriots should think about getting some value of him. Mallet may not be the replacement, since the end of Brady’s career may only be when he’s 42 or something, so Mallet may have already been traded. But at some point they will have a successor on the team ready to go, at which point they should trade Tom.
Well being a fan, I am just worried about next year...
…Wether Mallet takes over for Brady in 4 years, or Brady is traded in a few years, we will cross that bridge when is comes.
To be honest I think it will be up to Tom when he leaves the PATS/NFL. BB will not just trade him. Tom will be given the option of being the back-up or traded. I just hope Tommy goes out John Elway style..
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Brady will retire a Patriot
…when he signs a one-day deal at the very end of his career.
But I don’t expect him to play out the rest of his career here. Mallet has the potential to succeed him in a few years, but even if he doesn’t, there’s still a few more drafts to be held before Brady’s contract expires. You can be sure that at least one more QB will be selected in one of them, and who knows how that might turn out.
If Mallet’s ready by 2014, then I’ll actually be disappointed to see Brady stay. Not because I lack respect or admiration for him, but because it would make no sense from a value standpoint. Sentimentality doesn’t win titles in this league.
All I’d ask is that Brady goes to a decent team. I’d hate to see him waste away with a bottom-dweller in his final years.
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by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT
Mallet has the potential to steve young him
…. but he will need to come a long, long way to be able to replace arguably the best to ever do it
and Brady’s playing style and work ethic will allow him 6+ good years
by NeedsMoreMayo on May 1, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, definitely. I fully expect Brady to keep playing at a high level even into his late 30s/40s, health permitting
But if you have a 25-year-old well-groomed field general and a 38-year-old legend in the twilight of his career on your roster, you have to roll with the young gun, simply because he has more high-quality years left in him.
But, like I said, it’s all uncertain right now. But it’s very, very nice to have the kind of luxury at QB that the Pats have now.
Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007
by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT
great post ashto
I guessed Belichick would pick Mallet last week. You can read my reasoning below on my fanpost:
http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/4/27/2137028/who-cares-what-you-think-it-is-what-bill-will-do
However, you have taken it to another level. I suggest BB picked Mallet here mostly for value reasons. If Mallet bombs it will only have cost him a 3rd rounder and he will have first round ammo and the necessary time to pick and develop a future QB before Brady is done. I am old, thus a number of Pats QBs to have come and gone for me stretching back to Parilli. Brady will leave too someday.
Belichick could just as easily trade Mallet as Brady. I have heard analysts say that some teams covet Hoyer. Mallet has a chance of being a Rothlisberger style, “big” QB and this may have been one reason why BB picked him. Benjy gets away with alot by sheer size and this may help Mallet if he has a career.
It will be interesting to see how it all develops.Mallet benefits from watching Brady,but also remember both of these men are now fully committed to beating EACH OTHER.(you think the competition for other starting positions is going to be stiff?Just watch QB now) BB knows what he is doing.
More suggestive
Of BB’s plans for Hoyer, rather than Brady.
It’s not UNTHINKABLE that Brady could be traded, after all, the 49ers let Joe Montana go, but unless they think Mallet is an Aaron Rodgers / Steve Young caliber player (which they’ll see over the next few years) I don’t see it happening. Right now, Brady’s coming off of arguably his best season, and the Patriots are rebuilding for another championship run.
I've been a Pat's fan for over 30 years
so don’t give me the Stampede Blue Crap. Brady is different than every other player the Pats have EVER had. Brady is Dimaggio, Ted Williams, Marino, Larry Bird. He is the franchise while he is still able to play. Without Brady there are zero Superbowls. I’m not saying we have to keep Brady forever and let the team wilt around a dying Qb, but in my opinion, I hope we play Brady until it becomes time to cut him, not trade him when we think he is still good enough (ie pretty damn good) to warrent a couple first rounders form another team. He stays as long as he can play.
I hope its a “Look kid, it was a great run, but you ain’t getting it done anymore and its time to let you go” type of thing. Not a “We know you’re still awesome but we think we can extract a pound of flesh for you, so there’s the door” type of thing.
Nobody on here is suggesting trading him while he is awesome
we are suggesting trading him when Belichick deems it time for him to be let go. If that is when Brady is still awesome so be it. I am not a fan of one player handicapping an entire team, which is what Manning does. Brady doesn’t do that, but at the same time he makes himself expendable from a standpoint of allowing the team to fill the rest of the roster with talent.
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