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The QB situation: Short Term



Disclaimer: This is my first major post on here. Please be gentle

 

Going into this weekend, I expect most of us were expecting to talk about the Patriots draft haul in terms of how the team addressed (or didn't) among other things, the pass rush, offensive line, RB corps, and Receivers. But arguable the biggest story in the Patriots' draft aftermath was the selection of Ryan Mallett in the third round. The lack of a pass rusher is certainly more important and concerning, but not really the story of the Patriots draft. So with Mallett aboard, where do the Pats go from here? The depth chart as I would project it now:

1. Tom Terrific

2. Brian Hoyer

3. Ryan Mallett

4/PS. Jonathan Crompton

 

The big talk is that after grooming Mallett over the next 2-3 seasons, the Pats could flip him potentially  for even a first round pick to a QB needy team. And that's definitely a situation I'll explore. But what about this year? Will Bill be willing to keep 3-4 QBs in Foxboro, or could we see someone like Brian Hoyer be dangled in the preseason as trade bait

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The lockout naturally f's up a lot of this kind of speculation. But I would think that this year, the Pats may look to snag a pick or two in next year's draft*. Brian Hoyer is a commodity I think a lot of people may be overlooking. There's plenty of teams that would look for an upgrade at QB that didn't do so in the draft:

"We really should probably find a QB soon"

Seahawks

Cardinals

Bills

Redskins

Raiders

 

"We don't really need a QB..... but maybe we should keep our eyes open, you know, just in case"

Dolphins

Lions

Browns

Cowboys

Broncos

Bears

 

That's up to eleven teams who could be looking to modify their QB situation before this season. Once the lockout ends, there will be a few options opening up via FA and trade, including Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, and Vince Young. But there will still be a strong demand with which a supply is lacking.

Enter: Brian Hoyer

Hoyer was signed by the Pats as an UDFA about two years ago at this time. Despite being projected as possibly even a 4th round pick, he went unselected. The Pats scooped him up in the post-Matt Cassel era. He's only played sparingly, in preseason and mop-up duty, but in that time, he's shown to have at the very least, decent accuracy, an ability to throw for distance, and a sense of mobility in the pocket. More importantly, it seems like he has bought into the Patriots way, learning under the tutelage of Belichick, Brady, and Co. That could prove to be a big selling point. Look at previous backup QBs shopped around: Matt Schaub, despite sparse playing time, netted two 2nds for the Falcons. Kevin Kolb only started a couple of games, but reportedly has garnered 1st round offers for the Eagles. Even Charlie Whitehurst (Charlie. Whitehurst.) was worth a 3rd rounder.

I'm a guy who tries to squeeze as much value and usefulness out of anything I buy, and I think the Patriots could easily get a 4th rounder for Brian Hoyer, possibly a 3rd if they showcase him a bit this preseason. Maybe even higher if everyone's favorite trade partner, the Raiders, jumped in. And for a guy that was signed as a UDFA, this would be a healthy return that Bill could buy into.

Mallett could easily be flipped a few years down the line, but for now, I think the Pats could bolster their 2012 stock of picks by moving Hoyer this year. Thoughts?

 

 

*(there will be a draft next year. I don't know why everyone feels the need to preface 2012 draft talk with "if there's a draft". The players won't try and rip that apart, they have bigger things to deal with)

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I'd much rather keep Hoyer

and trade Mallett.

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by BigRussNovak on May 1, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

If mallett performs well in the pre-season

Id rather keep mallett over hoyer.

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by Jack'sAxe on May 2, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 3, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put Raiders on the "We dont NEED a QB" list.

Campbell did very well with them down the stretch, and the team likes him a lot.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 2, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

One year of suck

guarantee he is gone.

WE ARE PENN STATE

by Cameron O on May 2, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe.

But at the moment, he is our QB, and he was doing well. He’ll be in the same system for more than 1 year now, and he developed chemistry with their receivers. Plus we’ll have a nasty running attack again next year.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 2, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brady seems inspired

Mallet’s presence could ignite brady’s competitive spirit and help a lot in that way…

Other than that Mallet is going to be a top clip board holder for a while and probably wont pass hoyer on the depth chart for a year.

That said, i dont think anyone values hoyer as much as BB and noone will give up a decent pick for him.

by NeedsMoreMayo on May 2, 2011 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

My theories:

Cardinals, absolutely vital they get a QB this season. Max Hall, John Skelton, Derek Anderson…. yyyyyeuch. Redskins and Seahawks I’d put as the only other two teams in that list who actually need a QB. And the Dolphins, coz Henne blows.
In my opinion most of these ‘QB needy’ teams will go for veterans like the Rams did with Bulger in the 2009 season; basically they’ll fill the spot with someone proven and vaguely serviceable before picking a QB high in next years draft.
Each one of them has a shot at Andrew Luck and Matt Barkley next year if they fail bad enough, so there’s no point plugging in a possible franchise QB with a high level contract like Kevin Kolb for these lower level teams.
Basically, they’ll look for a one year plug in which would be players like McNabb, I think. I’m not sure where that puts the value of good backups like Hoyer and Flint this year though…

Just trying to keep up.

by Mellon on May 2, 2011 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Flynn will stay in GB regardless.

Rodgers takes too much punishment to risk not having a good backup.

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by insertscreenname on May 2, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Manning sign a contract last year? 0.o

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 3, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

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by NinjaZX6R on May 3, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolz

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y'all are still 4getting one guy??

Carson Palmer wants to be traded also so he could be a possible starter for another QB needy team… I do get where your coming from trying to get value from Hoyer, but i’d rather keep him although i’m not really a fan of him… If you trade him away and god forbid Brady gets hurt, we have nobody on the roster that really knows the system… I dont think Hoyer value would be to high right now, hasn’t shown enough gametime play to be worth much… i’d say he’s worth bout a 5th round pick, highest being 3rd to someone REALLY desperate…

by Cran-AppleJuice on May 4, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I would argue 2-3 of those teams aren't going to be looking for a Brian Hoyer type for their teams.

The Broncos already have their project in Tim Tebow and as overlooked as Orton is he does ok. I suspect the Cowboys are going to obviously stick with Romo and keep picking up the veteran backups….ones that have more game experience than Hoyer. The Bears too recently gave up a lot to get Cutler I doubt they are too willing or able to trade for more qbs.

The others I completely agree with, and we all know Bill isn’t scared of trading within the division so the Bills and Dolphins wouldn’t be out. The only issue is, I have my doubts that Hoyer would have all that much in trade value.

by Oughat on May 7, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

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