New England Patriots Links 7/13/11 - Will Fred Taylor Return or Retire?
Mike Reiss highlight's Fred Taylor's interview on Sirius XM NFL Radio last night.
One of the first questions posed to Taylor was what it was like to play with quarterback Tom Brady, and under coach Bill Belichick. Jones-Drew asked the question, saying, "A lot of us want to know because we all can't be around those type of guys."
"Just how to work, and how much of a business the NFL actually is," Taylor answered. "I go sometimes through my days, and even though I was considered a leader-type in Jacksonville, and I always thought I was a leader and led by example earlier in my career through my play, a big part of me feels like I cheated the [Jaguars] organization because of some [immaturity] I had, and not knowing how you're really supposed to work. If I can go back, I think that would be one of the things I would try to grasp a better concept of with the Jaguars.
"The thing about Tom is the sense of urgency. Not just the word, or the phrase, but the sense of urgency of 'this is how you have to operate.' Everything is business. Practice is business. Practice is game-mode. The thrill that you get, you should get it after you get the win. Throughout the week, it's all business and you have to prepare like that. Everyone has to be accountable. No one can just say 'they're picking on me' or 'he's picking on me', you have to be accountable and you can't feel like the coaches call you out.
"Bill was great at that. He'd give you a pop quiz in the middle of the hallway. 'What is your assignment?' You better believe, you better know it. So it's things like that, he kept you on your toes. It was great. I loved it."
Taylor talked about his two years in New England, calling the Patriots a "classy" organization, Belichick a "mastermind", Brady "amazing", while citing solid camaraderie in the locker room.
"I really can't answer that question [if he plans to play in 2011], only because I don't know the answer," Taylor said, before noting that he didn't want to go back and forth like quarterback Brett Favre did in the public eye. "I have my moments when I pick my kids up from school, I'm at peace. But then again, when I turn on the TV or I look at an old highlight clip and hear something about football, then it's 'go time'. So I really don't have a straight-up answer for you. ... I'm so back and forth, I'm straddling the fence, one foot in, one foot out. I do know that if I'm going to attack it, I have to attack it with 100 percent passion and heart and desire. I can't be straddling if I'm going to do it."
TEAM TALK
- Ask PFW: Summer vacation edition.
- PFW in Progress - 7/12/11: The PFW crew discusses a wide variety of offseason topics. (2 hour program)
LOCAL LINKS
- Ian Rapoport notes the Patriots mailed out thousands of tickets to season-ticket holders this week.
- Tom E. Curran says that if a new CBA is ratified next Thursday, things will get a little crazy fast.
- Mike Petraglia talks about the report that teams are anticipating the near-immediate arrival of players at team facilities within hours of a new CBA.
- Mike Reiss notes Mike Vrabel was humbled and flattered by Bill Belichick's remarks about his career.
- Mike Reiss points out that research shows the Patriots are easy to root for.
- Mike Reiss answers his weekly reader mailbag, this week's edition full of questions about when the lockout ends.
- Mike Reiss mentions ESPN's Dream Team project (readers decide who the NFL's biggest stars will be form 2014-2016) and how it relates to the Patriots' youth.
NATIONAL NEWS
- Alex Marvez (Fox Sports) Unforgettable players yet to be replaced.
- Scott Symmes (ESPN) Dream Team of tomorrow: Your call.
LABOR LUNACY
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) How close is "close"? Making sense of where things stand.
- Andrew Brandt (Nat'l Football Post) Paying the picks: Fifth year becoming the issue.
- Adam Schefter (ESPN) Rookie wage scale the big issue. (3.03 min. video)
- Barry Wilner, AP (Fox Sports) Lockout prevents a lot more than football.
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I hope Fred Taylor comes back
Not to the Patriots, but somewhere. Aside from his injuries he looks like he still has something left to give and it would be great to see him get another shot somewhere before he hangs it up.
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I feel that it is time to cut ties with the older backs: Morris and Taylor. I like BJGE, Woodhead, and the two rookies will play hard like every other Patriot. I would like to see a FB in the mix if possible, but double TE’s does offer the additional blocking for short yardage runs.
Sad to see Taylor's career coming to an end
But like you said, the immediate future at the RB position lies with Benny, Woodhead and the promising rookies.
Keep the faith!
You wish guys like Fred Taylor and Teddy Brushi could be / would be integrated into the PAT’s coaching staff. It just seems like both of them would be outstanding teachers and motivators while easily gaining the respect and admiration of the current players.
While that's true, not everyone can coach.
Some guys make that jump, and some just can’t.
Having said that, I think both of those guys could do well at coaching. They’re both good communicators.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 13, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That "team of the future" thing on ESPN is lame
with a capital “L.” Guys in there who shouldn’t be (Big Vince, Merriweather, e.g.), guys left out who should be in (Gronkowski, Volmer). Don’t waste your time.
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by JohnHannahRules on Jul 13, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
It's in the "What the heck is left to write about now?" category
At least it appears that Training Camp will start right around schedule, that will change the media focus in a heartbeat.
Keep the faith!
We'll have pretend football again!
Which is much better than no football at all.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 13, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
We seriously need new topics, people never talked before
Like, umm…who is the better QB, Brady or Manning?
by frogfromthemud on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Gotta be Tom Brady because Eli Manning just sucks!
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I had Ricky Manning JR and Kyle Brady in my mind
by frogfromthemud on Jul 13, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Brady was a road grader of a blocking tight-end, but could he quarterback?
Don’t know.
Ricky is the son that Archie never talks about, so even though he’s a CB he probably has the QB gene that somehow missed Eli.
Yeah that Manning might beat that Brady.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
American, so Archie had to be a naughty boy...
by frogfromthemud on Jul 13, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
Either a dirty little family secret or “recessive genes” or something.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 13, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OL Rotation
I strongly believe that the PATS should introduce and implement an OL rotation just as they use on the DL. The advantages are significant.
1 Players get to rest
2 Players are game ready when injuries force more playing time by others
3 Players can be coached on the sidelines, view photographs, hydrate, etc.
4 Players can be used toward their strengths (run blocker vs pass blocker)
Number 4 has the added benefit of deception since a defense cannot automatically assume that said player(s) indicate a sure run or pass play. Yet, the skill set is there to maximize the play selection made.
Can't rotate offensive linemen,
their job relies on each one knowing exactly what the other four are doing, as well as any backs or TEs blocking on the play. And they need to be completely on song with their QB, so they know what he thinks they’re doing.
- - Rotating linemen to their strengths would be the opposite of trying to deceive the defense… not sure about this one.
- - They can do that when the defense is on the field.
- - Injuries are something you hope never happens. Until you have the luxury of resting, you put the guys out there who give you the best chance to win the game. That’s why Brady didn’t sit until the 2nd half of week 17.
- - See #3. And on offense, you control the pace of the game. They need more rest, let the clock run down a bit.
(I got suckered in here, not sure about this one.)
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You can do it, but several O-line guys have come out and said that the chemistry of keeping the line together helps them work better.
You could practice it at camp, and get them used to it, and you know what? It might work. It might be the best thing ever.
Or it might cause mental mistakes and screw up what could be a well oiled machine.
You can’t guarantee which way it will work, so there may be something to not fixing things that aren’t broken that keeps them from trying it.
Connolly ran a kick-off back almost for a TD and then lined up the next snap to get the ball in the endzone. If he was tired, he could have sat out…why didn’t he?
Sometimes backups come in and do admirably, and sometimes they don’t. Risking #12 doesn’t seem worth it to me if you don’t have to. For example, Connolly did pretty well on the right side at run blocking, but not as well pass protecting (almost the opposite of Neal, if I remember right).
They could do it, and you’re not the first person even on this board to mention it, so I’m sure they’ve thought of it. The reason they don’t do it could be:
1. The is too great a fall-off between the starter and his backup.
2. They’re afraid to it might screw things up.
3. They tried it and it screwed things up.
Your guess is as good as mine.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 14, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
O-line rotation...
means that at some point your second- or third-best LG or RT is up against their best RE or LE or OLB. And that can get Brady hurt…
Eh.
Remember in the Super Bowl when Strahan was hammering Kaczur? It’s like voluntarily taking off Vollmer to give Kazcur a chance to suck. Pass.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 15, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see it the same way regarding line chemistry if a rotation system is integral to their practices from day one. Familiarity would be achieved with that type of commitment. I don’t see great separation between many of the OL players thereby allowing a rotation to work. Even Mankins was admirably replaced by Connelly during his absence. Vollmer filled in nicely for Light at LT. Connelly can easily rotate with Koppen. The new rookie may be capable of playing some RT and/or RG in a lesser involved rotation as he learns the system.
I toss it out as a discussion point, only..
As for “pace”, I think the rotation timing is easy to achieve without disrupting pace if that is the desired outcome. First downs, particularly those that occur on receptions and runs of 15 or more yards offer easy OL substitutions while the chains are moving down the sidelines. Again, if this is a practiced feature of the offense and integral to the system and the offensive design, it would flow fluidly as all the OL players and the QB would be well schooled and on the same page. Clearly the DL does it, and that side of the ball requires the same type of familiarity and communication – perhaps even more since the D is playing a “reactionary” game versus the O which is executing their called plays.
There's a reason no-one's done it in 60 years of recorded professional football.
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Agreed. It would be a new approach. However, though others are certainly more invested in the NFL’s history, but I am of the impression that Jimmy Johnson started the “true” DL rotation with Leon Lett and company. Yes? No?
Someone starts a trend, and, if successful, the ‘copy cat’ mentality kicks in very soon after. I thought BB’s 4-3 was fairly unique until many teams switched to it after his success making the draft a far more complicated effort. Yes? No?
I could be wrong on both accounts, but I do feel that bold moves with success dictate change in these leagues where parity at every level demands some sort of edge – typically developed by some coach.
Take for example Buddy Ryan’s absurd D during the Bear’s 1985 Super Bowl. No one had desinged anything as wild as that blitzing package. It worked. It clearly did not have legs, but its short term success was rewarded. Ryan was thinking out of the box. He had the personnel, and he went for something dramatic.
Hence, an OL rotation seems no different where a coach decides to make such a dramatic change.
Just OneOpinion ….
You mean 3-4?
The one Chuck Fairbanks and Hank Bullogh came up with in 1974? Because no-one outside of Kansas City runs a Fairbanks Bullogh Defense, although far more teams are running 3-4s. Defenses that were the style until the 90s, and are now coming back in. That’s cyclical.
The Cowboys rotated D-linemen because they had more than 3 or 4 guys worth putting on the field, and there’s not that big of a difference between interior and exterior D-line positions. Bit different to the LT/RT, or T/G, or even G/C. When you need to come into a game with 10 O-linemen (at least), as opposed to 6 or 7 D-linemen, you’re wrecking your defensive depth (the guys you need since they do need to rotate for different packages), and crucifying your special teams.
Rotating O-linemen isn’t like changing the style of an offense or defense, it would be like having a right handed QB use his left hand instead. It would be like… Rotating your GKs for the Stanley Cup final to keep Tim Thomas fresh for game 7.
One other thing – you want to put Brady behind 5 guys who aren’t the best on the team at what they do? Because Dwight Freeney isn’t coming off the field if the third string LT is in there… Haloti Ngata’s lining up across from Ryan Wendell while Logan Mankins has a breather on the sideline… Rex Ryan’s moved all 11 guys through every possible location between the numbers…
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Let’s hope the PATS and Mankins reach a long term deal based on this discussion. If this rookie (Solder sp?) is a solid contributor, along with Mankins and Vollmer, the PATS could have three massive, talented OL locked up for Brady’s remaining tenure with the PATS.
I do think they need a much stronger, beefier Center to anchor the OL and to counter the huge NT’s that are being employed by many teams. Koppen seems small at this stage.
TCU OL Marcus Cannon, too
He may not get to play this year, but in 2012 at least he should be the starting right Guard. And he is likewise a massive person, by all accounts.
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