New England Patriots Links 7/19/11 - The Fat Lady is Warming Up; Mankins May Shut Her Up
by Marima on Jul 19, 2011 11:52 AM EDT
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Mike Reiss offers his opinion on Logan Mankins and the labor deal.
From this view, when considering Mankins' position, it can't hurt to make such demands because he finds himself in a position of leverage. Mankins hasn't had such leverage over the first six years of his NFL career. Still, I'd be surprised if he becomes an unrestricted free agent immediately. I'd also be surprised if Mankins uses his position as a plaintiff to possibly put the entire NFL labor agreement at risk. A more likely scenario from this view, as presented by ESPN senior analyst Chris Mortensen, is that the settlement would include a provision that the franchise tag couldn't be applied to him in 2012 and beyond.
Karen Guregian reports Leigh Bodden says he has no lingering effects from his rotator cuff surgery and plans to be a full participant at Camp.
"I’m ready for contact. No red jersey. I don’t plan on wearing that when I get there," Bodden said last week when asked about the state of his shoulder. "I’m definitely ready. I’ve been working out. I feel great. I’m just ready to play."
"You know what? A lot of guys were asking me to come [to the player workouts organized by Tom Brady]," said Bodden, who signed a lucrative four-year deal with the Pats prior to the start of last season. "But dealing with my shoulder, I just didn’t want to take any chances. If any slight thing happened to prolong me (from coming back), I couldn’t risk it. I just didn’t want to take that chance for any stupid thing happening. It just sets me back, ruins my progress. I feel like it’s fine. But I wouldn’t have any trainers to watch over me if something happens. So I just decided not to go."
"It would have been great to go out there and play with the guys. I talked to a few of them while they were doing it. They said they had a lot of fun," Bodden said. "When it comes to Tom . . . it’s just like dealing with (coach Bill) Belichick. He knows what to do. He knows how to run things. That’s what the guys said. It was organized, they put in great work, and (had) a lot of fun at the same time. I’m kind of sad I missed it. But for me, it was better safe than sorry"
"I can just see the story, of me getting hurt and maybe looking like a fool, setting myself back, and people saying, ‘Why were you out there in the first place?’ "
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LOCAL LINKS
- Mike Reiss talks about the elimination of 2-a-days and its effect on the Patriots.
- Greg A. Bedard tells us how Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson can derail the deal because of their demands.
- ESPNBoston Report: Two plaintiffs demand freedom.
- Shalise Manza Young reports Pro Football Focus grades Logan Mankins as the top guard of the last three years.
- Mike Reiss takes a closer look at the offensive tackle depth chart.
- Jeff Howe says how much Nate Solder contributes hinges on the unknown status of free agent Matt Light.
- Greg A. Bedard examines whether the Patriots pass rush will be any better this season.
- Jeff Howe notes Ty Warren will be among 11 defensive linemen battling for about seven spots.
- Tony Massarotti reminds us that the last time we saw the Patriots they were shell-shocked by the Jets and are now the most championship-starved franchise in New England.
- Tom E. Curran lists the Patriots' 10 best free agent signings under Belichick.
- Greg A. Bedard reports lawyers from the NFL and NFLPA met with Judge Arthur Boylan in New York to work through the remaining CBA details.
- Tom E. Curran says coaches will need to exercise patience with players coming back from a long layoff.
NATIONAL NEWS
- Tim Graham (ESPN) AFC East's best: No. 4 Vince Wilfork.
- Art of Strength posts pics of Brandon Meriwweather's workouts.
- Khaled Elsayed (Pro Football Focus) Making the grade: Guards, 2008-2010. Mankins No. 1.
- Khaled Elsayed (Pro Football Focus) Making the grade: Left tackles, 2008 - 2010. Light No. 4.
- Tim Hasselbeck (ESPN) Pats top team in the AFC (1.11 min. video)
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- Mike Pereira (Fox Sports) New replay rules could lengthen games.
- Gregg Rosenthal (ProFootballTalk) New rules seminar tentatively slated for Friday.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Rosenhaus predicts most active two weeks in NFL history.
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LABOR LUNACY
- Albert Breer (NFL.com) NFL, players open critical week of labor talks in multiple cities.
- Albert Breer (NFL.com) Owners, players close to presenting deal to end NFL lockout.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Monday meetings end without a deal.
- Alex Marvez (Fox Sports) No CBA yet: More work to be done.
- Michael Silver (Yahoo! Sports) Seven key issues linger for NFL's new CBA.
- NFL Total Access (NFL.com) Remaining hurdles in labor negotiations. (3.26 min. video)
- Doug Farrar (Yahoo! Sports) The real story behind $320 million in lost 2010 benefits.
- Sam Farmer (LA Times) NFL owners could approve labor deal as early as Thursday.
- AP Report: NFL, players anticipating tentative agreement.
- Jason Cole (Yahoo! Sports) Sources: Jackson, Mankins push for compensation.
- Gregg Rosenthal (ProFootballTalk) Vincent Jackson, Logan Mankins make their power play.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Kessler's last stand?
- Jason La Canfora (NFL.com) Complex issues remain as league, players zero in on labor deal.
- Gregg Rosenthal (ProFootballTalk) Biggest remaining issue: Players pursuit of lost benefit money.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Goodell will do "whatever is necessary" to get a deal done.
- Mike Freeman (CBS Sports) Executive committee meeting in Washington.
- Gregg Rosenthal (ProFootballTalk) Latest labor news: Boylan arrives, players file for judgment.
- Mike Freeman (CBS Sports) Players: be careful.
- Michael David Smith (ProFootballTalk) New deal adds $1 billion in benefits for retired players.
- Clark Judge (CBS Sports) Credit where it's due: 8th Circuit opened door to CBA progress.
- Clifton Brown (Sporting News) Rush to resolution: Sides prepping for endgame.
- Report (CBS Sports) NFL to hold labor seminar for execs after agreement on CBA.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Report: League has yet to give teams permission to contact players.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Report: Exclusive window could open July 25, free agency July 28.
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So...
When does Peyton sign with Washington? Tomorrow, or Friday?
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Mankins is really turning into a player I don't want to have on this team.
His me first crap, over and over and over and over again is ridiculous.
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Update from Adam Schefter:
ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter has filed an update to this morning’s story about plaintiffs Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson reportedly demanding either $10 million or unrestricted free agency as part of a settlement to the antitrust suit.
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The update: “A league source confirmed the demands made by Jackson’s agents, but Mankins and his agent, Frank Bauer, have not given their damages or repayment number to the NFL Players Association or its attorneys yet, according to the source.”
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A key word is “yet”, but this adds a new twist to reports.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Jul 19, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm confused.
Former Packers executive Andrew Brandt, the founder of NationalFootballPost.com and a sports law professor, said Mankins and Jackson can opt out of the class-action lawsuit, but can’t hold up the settlement.
I’m pretty sure as class representatives, Mankins and Jackson have no standing to demand any special treatment in a settlement. They serve in a representative capacity only – the fact that their name is slapped on the suit is purely symbolic and gives them no special rights.
Methinks this is the result of the media convenientialy glossing over details to extract one last drop of excitement from the Lockout To End All Lockouts.
Some people don't know when to let go....
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 19, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Bedard continues after that quote...
Even still, just delaying the settlement a few days or a week is trouble enough because days are at a premium to keep the preseason — and the nearly $1 billion it generates — fully intact.
Personally, I just don’t think it’s right for Jackson and Mankins to even try to put their personal demands in front of what’s best for the league or the 1,898 other players who want the lockout to end. It’s a blatant money grab.
Keep the faith!
Unlike the lockout, that is....
LOL
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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Different situation -
It’s not one or two owners who opted out of the old CBA with thirty other teams’’ fate hanging in the balance. This is four players – Jackson, Mankins, Peyton Manning and Brees trying to get something for themselves just when a deal is about to be signed, without regard to the other players whom they’re supposed to be representing in the lawsuit.
Keep the faith!
Oh, I agree.
That’s why I was LOLing. There’s a whole lot of money getting thrown around, and everyone is trying to get their perceived share of the pie.
IF they can hold the season for ransom, then it’s not fair. I’ll have to trust nbradley07 and the other legal minds on this site about this that they can’t, in fact, do a money grab here. The fact that they are trying implies they don’t believe the NFLPA will look out for their best interests. So from a PR standpoint, it doesn’t look good.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 19, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
but I don’t even think they have the standing to even cause a two or three day delay. It’s just not how class action suits work. If a named plaintiff (aka class representative, a la Brady, Mankins, et al) came into court on settlement day and said “I’m not signing unless you give me X, Y and Z,” the court would shrug, laugh and go ahead with finalizing the settlement. It just doesn’t matter. Their personal demands are wholly irrelevant.
My qualm is with the media, who are ignoring this simple fact in order to turn a complete non-issue into a last ditch effort at dragging out the lockout drama. They’re willfully (or at least negligently) misrepresenting reality so that people will live one more day in fear of a lost season (translating directly into continued higher ratings during a typically humdrum part of the NFL year).
This is just me being angry at the media for being intentionally stupid in the name of ratings. Nothing more to see.
Although Brees and others (not Manning) are now denying they ever asked for anything personally
I believe the reports that others approached the league and asked on their behalf, whether it was NFLPA attorney Jeffrey Kessler or their agents.
Right now, unless a player is injured or arrested, this lockout backroom settlement drama is the only NFL news out there to be reported on.
Keep the faith!
I really don’t blame Mankins. He feels that he has been under paid for his performance level and contributions, and he is looking out for himself. Given the retired players issues with the NFL, Mankins is wise to do all that he can for himself while he is actively playing.
I am fine with that.
How it plays out, we will see. I’d like to see him remain a Patriot. However, I have no doubts that BB and the Krafts will make a decision that best suits the PATS long term – and that also suits the Krafts long term (just as it should). They are the owners; it’s their money. I feel that the Krafts do a terrific job of protecting their personal investment while also affording BB and company the opportunity (money) to make the PATS a winner. I could not be happier with an ownership.
To a fault I agree. But Mankins for as good a guy as he is is making this situation unbearable. I like him too. But too often players who chase after money lose out to a lot of things. He wants to be P-A-I-D! I can respect that. But more often than not the losing teams are more than willing to shell out the big bucks. And what will he have then? As far as making the money now, some players don’t manage their funds well. I hope he saves all his money. If not he will still be in need after while.
He saves very well, and runs a ranch that supports him anyway.
He’s just looking for the one big payday, and it is due him.
I think his agent is a bigger problem than he is.
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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Kluwe discribed my feelings best
Sigh, and once again greed is the operative byword. Congrats Brees, Manning, Mankins, and Jackson for being ‘that guy’. #douchebags
http://twitter.com/#!/ChrisWarcraft/status/93372491627642880
I’ve had enough of Mankins schtick, not the kind of guy I want in this organization. It’s one things to be want to get paid, it is another to constantly think of yourself over everyone else time and time again. I would want more money too if I played in the NFL, but I wouldn’t even think about sacrificing nearly 1,600 players livelihood’s to get that.
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