In Focus: Patriot's Defensive Line
Typically, the Patriots play any number of alignments on their defensive front, subjective to the opponent and situation. However, the most frequent lines the Patriots tend to employ are three and four man fronts.
However, each front is also subject to opponent and situation, as the Patriots employ a more standard 3-man front in the base 3-4 (players who can play a 2-gap role, eating space to stop the run but who can rush the passer when they see that play developing into a passing play). However we often saw the Patriots revert to a 3-3-5 formation on some third downs in 2010, requiring the three down linemen to rush the passer.
When the Patriots switch to a 4-man line (this is the most common 3rd down formation for the Patriots where they would often switch to a 4-2-5 formation), these four players are required to rush the passer and collapse the pocket. However, again in some games in 2010 (particularly against the Vikings), the Patriots came out in a ‘heavy' 4-man line on early downs, to stop the run but also to leave 5 defensive backs to stop the passing game.
After this week's addition of defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth (together with the release of Marcus Stroud), this has somewhat shaken up the Patriots defensive line depth but has also created some exciting flexibility with our linemen.
So, what does all this mean for the Patriots defense?
Strong Run Defense
You have to believe that Haynesworth will get a very serious look at the RDE spot in the base package. Yes, he wants to rush the passer and that WILL be his primary role. But, he is simply too talented to be a one trick pony for this team as he can simply absorb two and sometimes three blockers - imagine what that could do for our run defense (ranked 32nd in the league when opponents ran at the RDE spot). Hopefully, the promise of a potential championship can motivate him to understanding the importance of 2-gapping on early downs - creating 3rd and long situations where he can then be unleashed. In the base I can envision Haynesworth rotating with Ron Brace between 1st and 2nd downs but he will be on the field for 3rd downs.
Furthermore, if the Patriots want to change up to a heavy 4-man line on early downs, the addition of Haynesworth can give the Patriots some real options here, as Albert can revert to his natural DT position in a line which could potentially weigh close to 1.5 tonnes!
As a starting line in the base 3-4, the line will likely be:
Haynesworth - Wilfork - Warren
NB: Ron Brace will rotate in with Haynesworth and Warren as the primary run support and we know that Mike Wright can do the job in a pinch, but ideally, Wright is off the field until 3rd down. I think the Patriots will keep Kyle Love on the roster as Vince's backup and also given his knack for disrupting the QB - if he can improve as a 2-gap NT, he will be a terrific rotational player. Finally, we've all seen a glimpse of the potential that Brandon Deaderick possesses (everyone remembers the stop of Adrian Peterson on the goal line to end the half vs the Vikings). Given his potential and low salary, he also makes the team as a rotational player for the base defense.
As a starting line in the ‘heavy' four man line:
Brace - Haynesworth - Wilfork - Warren
NB: This is a very big line for the Patriots, and although it probably won't be used that often, it could be a very useful tool against some of the better running teams we face this year and could allow Bill to be creative on the back end. Again, Wright, Deaderick and Love would be top backup options for the Patriots in this formation.
Run Defense Summary
These are just two of the most obvious run-stopping lines the Patriots could employ on early downs but it's clear to see - the Patriots of 2011 should be very difficult to run on. In the base defense, each player can handle the double team with ease and this should also allow Brandon Spikes to flourish in shedding limited blocks and making the tackle. In the sub-package run stopping front, I can't see many offensive lines which could hold up against that front! If our OLB's can set a solid edge, I would expect the Patriots to be very high in the end of year rankings for run defense.
Improved Pass Rush
On his day, Haynesworth is every bit the dominant defensive player that Haloti Ngata is. The impact he can have on this team from a pass rushing perspective can be immeasurable - the guy can simply destroy the pocket and take on two and sometimes three offensive linemen in the process, both of which create opportunities for other players. When you couple this with the fact the Patriots should field one of the stronger secondaries in the league in 2011, which should give our pass rushers more time, it's clear to see how the Haynesworth addition could be devastating for opponents.
Even in the base defense (outlined above) on early downs, although their primary objective is to eat up blockers and stop the run, this unit has more than enough power to collapse a pocket once it becomes clear the play is no longer a running play.
As indicated above, in sub-packages, the Patriots typically go with 3 or 4 man lines to rush the passer (although they will occasionally throw in 2, 1 or even zero down linemen - here I'm concentrating on the most frequent packages). In sub-packages, the Patriots could certainly have some exciting options available.
Pass rushing 3 man line:
Wright - Haynesworth - Deaderick
NB: This package would allow each of these players to play to their strengths - pin their ears back and get after the QB in a one gap role. Wright is a terrific pass rusher, as is Haynesworth and Deaderick can certainly make noise in the backfield, although his role in this package could be claimed by Ron Brace. I also think it could be worth exploring bringing back Gerard Warren specifically for this role, as he proved a very good pass rushing lineman as well as solid locker room presence in 20110.
Pass Rushing 4 man line:
Cunningham - Wright - Haynesworth - Moore
NB: This is the line-up I will be most intrigued to see, as it is the most common formation for this team on 3rd down, where the Partiots defense was ranked 32nd in the league in 2010. Wright and Haynesworth we know can rush the passer and collapse the pocket. Eric Moore showed lots of promise in this system at the end of 2010, where he notched a couple of sacks and forced a few fumbles - he should benefit hugely next to Haynesworth. Jermaine Cunningham showed lots of promise also in 2010, and will be counted upon to up his sack total in 2011.
Pass Rush Summary
Whilst I am more confident of our run stopping formations than pass rushing formation at this point in time, it is clear to see how adding Albert Haynesworth will affect this team - immediately it gives us more credibility as a pass rushing unit and given the fact he requires at least two blockers, it should free up our other defensive linemen who will be expected to win their one-on-one matchups to disrupt an opponent's passing attack.
Final Roster Depth for Defensive Line
Despite the fact that in 2010, the Patriots were short of defensive linemen towards the end of the season, I get the feeling that Bill will still only carry eight defensive linemen again to open the 2011 season. There are other areas of the roster which may need to carry additional players this year (TE, S, RB, WR) so I think 8 will be the number for the defensive line. With that in mind, I would project the final 8 to be:
Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Albert Haynesworth, Ty Warren, Mike Wright, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
**Of the current players on the roster Myron Pryor would have the inside track on the final roster spot for the defensive line, given his production in sub-packages and his relatively cheap contract. However, if there were any room under the cap, the Patriots may explore bringing back Gerard Warren.
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Our PUP list
DL Ron Brace
DL Brandon Deaderick
TE Aaron Hernandez
DL Myron Pryor
DE Ty Warren
We are gonna be doing 2 man fronts with Fat Albert and Vince.
RIP Seve
I'm betting a lot of those DL are still getting in shape
I know it was reported somewhere that all the Pats had passed the conditioning test but from comments BB made yesterday I don’t think that is the case. I’d expect that list to shrink in the next week or so.
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Herndo can't perform without a jersey
He’s probably in talks to find out how much Chad is going to pay him for it!!!
by TFBismywingman on Jul 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking actually
Hernandez was 81 in college, so he could take that back now that Randy is gone.
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I'm thinking Chad gets a different number.
Helps leave the Ocho act behind.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
Not happening
Unless thats why details of his contract have yet to be released.
He may have to change his name back to Johnson.
I don’t think Ocho-Uno would work.
Atleast 82 is locked up… I could see the Ocho-doucho comments comming.
by TFBismywingman on Jul 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't he technically change his name back already
even though he goes by Ochocinco? I could be wrong but I thought I heard that somewhere. If he’s going with “C. Johnson” again it wouldn’t matter what number he gets, I suppose.
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I saw some rumor about it
not 100% sure though.
by TFBismywingman on Jul 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
From a yahoo article in January
“Don’t stop mangling your Spanish quite yet, though. Ochocinco hasn’t filed the paperwork yet for the name change and has gone back on this promise before. In 2009, he said he’d change it back if Darrelle Revis(notes) shut him down in a game. Revis did and Ochocinco didn’t follow through.”
by TFBismywingman on Jul 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No. 81, right now
is being worn by 5’ 11’’ rookie WR Jeremy Ross. It’s odd to see 81 out there and not have the wearer be Randy
Keep the faith!
Lol I can imagine
btw Ian Rapoport just tweeted that he saw Ocho with 85 and Aaron with 81
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hm....... jeremy ross is left out. lol
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All of it could change, too
They double up numbers a lot in camp, but I don’t know of them ever giving the same number to multiple players on the same side of the ball.
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Brace again
Don’t tell me he failed his conditioning test again
by TFBismywingman on Jul 29, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
That was my thought too,
but if you look at the PUP list, all the players on it have had off season surgery, and so it’s really just there because the Pats med staff has not had a chance to evaluate them yet. With Brace it was an elbow thing, so i am sure, once they get their physical, they will be off the list in the next few days. I hope.
I was just wondering how serious this court trial against Haynesworth is. If he can get on the field there is no doubt in my mind he will be the best pass rushing defensive lineman on the Patriots
by Always Sunny Next Year on Jul 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
Not jail time serious, I don't think
so that’s about where I stop caring, to be honest lol
and yes. yes he will. I’m loving this more and more.
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That's good news
I’m just hoping I guess that the situation does not arise in a similar fashion to Big Ben’s where he is suspended by the NFL even if the legal system doesn’t restrict Haynesworth’s playing time.
by Always Sunny Next Year on Jul 29, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Misdemenor Sexual assualt
Told some black waitress he didn’t date black chicks
she probably saw $$$$ signs
by TFBismywingman on Jul 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Witnesses saw him stick his credit card in her cleavage
and she claimed he groped her right after. He denied it by saying it wasn’t him because he doesn’t even like black chicks.
Keep the faith!
So he misses 4 games.
I can live with that.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
Im getting a funny feeling in my pants
what is this sensation?
For the next 2 years
Haynesworth+Wilfork > Suh+Fairley
In 2013, it wont be that way anymore.
yeah, "if" is everything here
but my heart tells me he will be happy in NE with Wilfork at nose
Yeah exactly
He didn’t hate the 3-4 D, he hated playing NT. He’s going to be a 5 and 3 technique here, I’d imagine, so he will be doing what he does best. Go beast and wreck people.
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Fairley has yet to play a down in the NFL.
Coming off one year at Auburn. Let’s not call him Joe Greene yet.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by ISN on Jul 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
possible more of 4-3 scheme?
Hello my fellow pulpiteers, it’s been a long and trying offseason..that last game played at Gillette is still haunting my dreams..I’m so thankful for a new season. Anyway, do you guys think BB might use more of a 4-3 look if the pass rush doesn’t make any drastic improvements? To efficiently execute the 3-4 scheme you need talented OLBs who are capable of stuffing the run and dropping back into coverage. I believe Cunningham can be one of the answers but what about the other side? Eric Moore? TBC is gone so that leaves ninkovich and a few other rookies.
Nope.
It’s a 3-4 team. Either Haynesworth plays RE, or someone else does. The 3 experienced OLBs we have are capable, but they aren’t pushing for All-Pro consideration. It will be a good enough defense.
Haynesworth can contribute in our 40 front nickel and dime packages. though. Expect him to get a lot of reps there (we were in a sub package more than half the time last year).
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
i like the sub packages
I think it makes it harder on opposing offenses when guys on the defense are shifting around and creating different looks..it makes it harder to determine where the pressure is going to come from..I saw the browns do this against us too and it seemed to work. Plus with Bodden back and McCourty on the other side..we should be able to generate some good pressure and some INTs.
I know Haynesworth stay at Washington was forgettable but I’ve heard that when he actually did see the field he was still quite productive. Does any know if there is any truth to this or is just a way of somewhat justifying Haynesworth’s time with the Redskins?
by Always Sunny Next Year on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
First of all, forget 2010.
That wasn’t a football thing, that was him and Shanahan having a personal spat.
Truth be told, in 09, playing in a 4-3, he was a capable player. His performance may not have been worth 100 mil, but he was still a baller. So he can still do it. The big question is if he wants to. My guess is he’ll want to show Shanahan what he was missing out on by embarrassing him last training camp.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
If he does play with that chip on his shoulder he will definitely succeed here. Also, I think that Haynesworth realizes that this is final oppurtunity and that if he doesn’t do at least moderately well he will be finished in the NFL
by Always Sunny Next Year on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Glass half full mentality
He’s got the money already.
Man is beast if motivated
I’m not sold on him yet, I have my hopes up though
by TFBismywingman on Jul 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
ProFootballFocus said he was a top-5 DL form 2008-2010, which includes his 2 worst years. So, no. He is actually really good. Just also has discipline problems.
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ProFootballFocus also had Brady the 33rd best player last year.
I’ll go by what I’ve seen him do over his career.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
In this case,
Their rating matches his career production. I agree their Brady argument is retarded, but sometimes they do make legit points.
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Great Pick up
If Haynesworth is 75% of the player he was when he signed with Washington, the Defense will be vastly improved. I think the biggest hole on the D coming into this year was not OLB but RDE. Having a top notch guy there will make Ninkovich, Moore, Cunnigham better (I am in favor of bringing another mid level option to increase comp and depth, but a big name is not needed). In the draft, I hoped for Watt, whose build seemed perfect for RDE. Obviosly the whole thing rests on Haynewsorth’s ability to perform well. I think he will.
He has basically a two year deal. At the end of that deal he will be 32. Young enough for one more big money deal, if he performs as well as he can. I think that, plus winning, plus Belicheck will squeeze the best out of him. I believe he will probably begin as an option in passing situations (2nd and long, when the opponent is behind, 3rd down etc) but i think he will become more and more involved in 1st down as the season progresses. If he can perform to even 75% of his best self, i dont think his impact can be overstated solving the biggest hole on the team with potential All Pro talent.
Having a solid DE
. I think the biggest hole on the D coming into this year was not OLB but RDE. Having a top notch guy there will make Ninkovich, Moore, Cunnigham better
…Makes the OLB not have to support as closely, and allows him to act more decisively, which allows a better pash rush, better drops, and generally allows fewer resources to have to be shifted to the run.
I think the prevalence of the 5 DB sets was a result of poor play by the DBs.
With the return of Bodden, addition of Dowling and (hopeful) improvement of Butler, they shouldn’t need to load the field with as many DBs. We should be able to count on seeing that 5th DB replaced by an OLB or DE.
I think it was more a response to multiple reciever sets
You can’t have LBs matched up on WRs. If a team goes to 3 WRs, you have to have 3 corners on the field unles one of your safeties can man cover (which not many can) and two cover safeties, hence 5 DBs. Also in obvious passing situations in a bend but dont break D, it makes sense to play more DBs, even if they’re in zone.
When we're ahead early, other teams throw to catch up
More receivers on the field = more DBs.
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Also, more teams with base offensive attacks which feature 3 WRs
such as the Colts, Chargers and countless others from the NFC. Watch the Patriots when they play the Colts – barely in the base formation.
Chad seems motivated and happy
now that’s he’s in Boston. He changed his pic to him and Brady
http://twitter.com/#!/ochocinco
Love this tweet
It’s 1 thing to jump and be able to land on 2 feet but I had no idea I was landing in Heaven.Hope all is well on this good Friday.
Keep the faith!
Mike Reiss just tweeted
That Ty Warren, Nick Kaczur and Alge Crumpler have been released.
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nooooooooo
I guess we may like deadrick or brace better than warren. :(
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Some beat writers on twitter
seem to think this could be a contract restructuring thing, especially in Warren’s case.
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Yeah, Alge's still recovering from shoulder surgery
so maybe Belichick figures Smith is just as capable a blocker.
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by BigRussNovak on Jul 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
how much do you think this hits our cap?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Crumpler: $500,000 cap hit, $1,995,000 cap savings
Kaczur: $875,000 cap hit, $3,095,000 cap savings
Warren: $5,270,844 cap hit, $203,106 cap savings
thanks.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Which says, Warren would make more sense as a salary restructure.
Since they save very little by cutting him.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaczur’s release probably signifies they are very likely to get Light back. I hope they resign Warren before another team snatches him up.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/29/patriots-matt-light-on-the-verge-of-a-deal/
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a side thing....
isnt tamba hali a FA?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yeah, but I believe he was franchised.
It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.
by BigRussNovak on Jul 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
ah,,
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Another side note
Marcus Cannon and Ryan Mallett are both officially signed. Now we just need Solder, Vereen, and Ridley, right?
It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.
Wow. I hope Ty Warren returns. I realy felt Crumpler was a given for this season. Hopefullym his release is some form of injury scenario where he returns later on. Kaczur was a sure release to get that $3 million.
Ian Rapoport says that this is a salary thing
and that some of the guys released may be returning
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salary thing
ren: $5,270,844 cap hit, $203,106 cap savings
That is not a savings worthy or releasing Ty Warren. Odd decision.
$5m cap hit, but they save $200k by cutting him.
Sounds like they want to re-jig his contract to get rid of his $5m hit more than anything. They don’t gain a lot by cutting him.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ron Brace didn't pass his conditioning test last year
and the Patriots kept him. Warren doesn’t pass after being out for a whole year – and it’s not because of his hip, since that was medically cleared and Warren himself admits it was his hamstring.
It’s speculation, but as a veteran I believe the team had higher expectations for Warren to show up at camp in shape and ready to go and he didn’t. Just maybe he enjoyed that time off from football a bit too much and they didn’t think he could be the same player? There’s a lot we don’t know but that’s my gut feeling.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Jul 29, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could be the Jarvis Green treatment, yeah
Or they just want to re-jig his salary to something that reflects his actual production. He’s not playing like a $5m man, especially when Brace came in and played just as well. Bring him back for depth, perhaps, but not at the same salary.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 29, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hey guys
Hey guys
THIS!!!!
Raiders | Nnamdi Asomugha agrees to terms
Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:40:40 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have agreed to terms with free-agent CB Nnamdi Asomugha (Raiders) on a four-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.
who said the raiders wont let nnamdi g at all? Me. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
the guy gave us a fake link. -_______-
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
it was a raiders blogger too. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

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