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Quick Take: Patriots 47, Jaguars 12

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My initial thoughts following the Patriots 47-12 win in the team's preseason opener against the Jacksonville Jaguars Thursday night at Gillette Stadium:

Impressive Stuff From the Back-up Quarterbacks.  With Tom Brady and the rest of the starters sitting, third year quarterback Brian Hoyer and rookie Ryan Mallett both played a half each; and both quarterbacks really impressed.  Brian Hoyer led the team to four straight scoring drives to close out the first half.  He completed 15 for 21 passes for 171 yards and a touchdown.  Hoyer was accurate on his throws, and looked very poised in the pocket.

Ryan Mallett completed 12 of his 19 throws for 164 yards and a touchdown.  He showed a lot of zip on his throws, finding a groove and looking really comfortable for his first professional game.  The more impressive stat: the four drives Mallett led (excluding the final kneel downs) all led to touchdowns.  And this is with just two weeks in an NFL system.

Patriots Generate a Pass Rush.  Although it was mostly the back-ups playing for the Patriots, the team managed to generate a lot of pass rush.  On the opening drive, Jermaine Cunningham came up with a sack, which was certainly a welcome sign for the Patriots.  Darryl Richard showed some ability, stuffing a run and coming up with a pair of sacks.

I was most impressed, however, by the play of Mark Anderson.  In the first half, Anderson saw most of his snaps at right end.  According to my numbers, Anderson came up with eight (count it, eight) pressures on the quarterback that significantly affected the play.  Most of those came off the right side, but one came off the left.  He recorded two quarterback hits.  And while he didn't record any sacks, I really liked what I saw from him as a speed rusher.

Stevan Ridley Leads the Way. Stevan Ridley was really effective tonight for the Patriots.  He picked up 64 yards on 16 carries, and wore the Jaguars' defense down as the game went on.  He looked powerful, picking up two goal line touchdowns on second-effort plunges.  However, somewhat surprisingly, Ridley also looked pretty nimble in space.  He also proved capable as a pass catcher, something that wasn't on his resume coming out of college.  He recorded seven receptions for 47 yards and a touchdown.  While one preseason game isn't any real indication, if Ridley can translate this type of play to the regular season for the Patriots, he will certainly be an impact player.

Taylor Price "Catching" Up. People had pretty high expectations for second year receiver Taylor Price heading into tonight's game.  Price didn't disappoint.  He picked up 105 yards on five receptions, including a beautiful touchdown in the back of the end zone from Brian Hoyer.  He caught a couple of slants from Mallett in the second half, and also had a 50 yard catch and run on a pass to the left sideline.  Price certainly made a case for himself as the 4th receiver this game.

Dane Fletcher All Over the Place.  Dane Fletcher, starting at middle linebacker, was ferocious out there.  He was running over backs and blockers, making plays in the backfield, crushing ball carries.  He finished with five tackles (all during the first half), and also had a quarterback pressure.  I think there's a chance that Fletcher could start as a strong-side linebacker for the Pats over Rob Ninkovich this year.

Just a preseason game, but it's good to have football back.  Patriots fans shouldn't be too excited about the blowout victory.  It was the first preseason game, and the starters, for the most part, didn't even see the field.  Nonetheless, it was good to see the Patriots' players get out there and get some work done, especially in the convincing fashion that they did, looking impressive in all facets of the game.

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Impressive day, especially for Price. He's looking like the deep threat this team's been seeking

‘Course, this was against the Jags (backup) defense, so I’m not going to read too much into it quite yet.

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 11, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

that means he should be able to compete against starters. lol XD

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't catch the game out on the west coast

but from the few plays I just saw on the highlight reel, it seemed like the defense was mostly in the 4-3, was that the defense they were in for most of the game?

by DrJgopatsgators on Aug 11, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah. for the majority of the game i wold say.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like depth.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

TWSS

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2010 Packers proved that great depth beats a top-heavy team (looking at you, Jets).
Great game! Glad to see Mallet and Hoyer playing well, but it’s gonna be hard to keep all three. One we’ll probably have to go, and I think Brady is staying (:

by charlie52 on Aug 11, 2011 11:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the Raiders could be convinced to take Brady in exchange for a 1st-2nd-and 3rd next year

and a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in 2013.

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 11, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe next season.

Were too good this season.

by Gr8tness on Aug 12, 2011 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or . . .

We could get the same deal out of them for Hoyer.

by mkhural on Aug 12, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.. Everybody is a GM in the age of FOOTBALL..Must be the MADDEN.

Back in the Elway Marino days.. Fans would riot if the team traded the star…

  I guess it’s the smart thing to do though….And Mallet does look good…But Brady has 3-5 yrs left of Great Football. Mallet is no where near Brady’s level….yet.

"SALTWATERJAG"

by SALTWATERJAG on Aug 12, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mallett will one day be a good quarterback.

But I’m rather taken aback that after one preseason game people are anointing him the next Tom Brady. And I’m not just talking about you, I’m talking about quite a lot of people. Sure, he exhibited some good reads and strong throws and little things against a second and third string defense, but Brady has been picking apart elite, top of the line defenses for 9 seasons now. Brady is a one in a million player, and an absolute surefire first ballot Hall of Famer. Mallett hasn’t even started a game yet. And, as long as Brady is on the Patriots, I’ll be praying Mallett doesn’t start a game, unless he actually becomes a better chance for the Patriots to win games. And I may be biased, but I don’t think that will ever happen.

It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.

by BigRussNovak on Aug 13, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 13, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn't even 2cnd and 3rd string.. Those were Undrafted Free Agents!

  He had forever and a day to throw..

 i agree.. That game means nothing in regards to Mallets talent…Same goes for Gabbert.

"SALTWATERJAG"

by SALTWATERJAG on Aug 13, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny

as much as everyone prefaces their comments with, "I know it’s preseason… " (and I do the same thing) it’s hard not to try and project to the 16 games that matter. They’re completely different animals but they’re all we’ve got.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 14, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t see it happening. There’s gonna be 5 or 6 RBs, 3 TEs, from 8 to 10 OL and the DL has enough talent to keep at least 8 guys around. That’s gonna make it hard to use 3 roster spots towards QBs in the 53 men limit. If they keep a LS, it’s nearly impossible. I’d bet on Mallet, by the way. I really like him.

by charlie52 on Aug 12, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There very easily could be 4 rbs on the roster

Faulk will be on the PUP list until week 6.

If it comes down to keeping the shell of sammy morris, or a quarterback that could someday = major draft picks. The choice is obvious.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 12, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

There’s absolutely no way they’re cutting either of those QBs…

by amerrill on Aug 12, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 QBs, 5 RBs, 6 WRs, 3 TEs, 8 OL = 25

They all stick.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 QBs, 5 RBs, 6 WRs, 3 TEs, 8 OL = 25

I am not so sure Tate stays. He’ll need to shine like Price just did in the next game. In fact, I expect Tate will see a lot of passes next week.

It would be great to see Vereen next week. If so, and he shines, I predict 4 RB’s (BJGE, Woodhead, Vereen, Ridley). Morris retires and Faulk is PUP (then retires at week 6 unless one of those four is injured).

That allows an extra D-lineman or an extra DB/Safety in place of a 5th RB.

by OneOpinion on Aug 12, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys make very good points, but I don’t like the idea of having only 8 offensive linemen. But after further calculations, having 3 QBs with Hoyer and Mallet will be possible if only 4 RBs are kept. I just don’t know if Morris is gonna go, since he’s the only true FB the team has. But maybe Smith or Gronk and Conolly can share the load.

by charlie52 on Aug 12, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How often do you see us run out of a 2 back I formation?

And Morris isn’t a true FB anyway, like a Vontae Leach or Lorenzo Jones.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

we ran two RB two TE formations plenty of times last year.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

we ran two RB two TE formations

I think BJGE or Ridley have the size and the (speed and quickness) to hit the interior holes w/ Yeatman, Gronk, or Smith as the FB. I prefer a younger quicker RB to Morris. That first step acceleration of a younger RB is a huge advantage over an older guy like Morris.

A half second advantage in acceleration can be the difference between an arm tackle in the hole versus a shoulder pad tackle in the hole. BJGE or Ridley have the power to over power an arm tackle.

by OneOpinion on Aug 12, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Sammy Morris isn't going to have the same effect as a blocking FB as a Gronk, or O-Lineman would.

The best blocking FB is probably a guard anyway, especially if it’s a run where the “guard” could be pulling around.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 13, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would like yeatman at FB. lol

so the defense will not see BJGE and Ridley. XD

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 13, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually like that idea as it allows us to keep 4 TEs on the roster.

Three that can block: Gronk, Smith, and Yeatman.
One that’s an oversized receiver: Hernandez.
All of them can catch (but Yeatman can’t get seperation – yet).
Hopefully both Smith and Yeatman have special teams value.

If the TE’s catch the injury bug this year, it’d be nice to keep the arsenal stocked.

In fact, when we went against the Chargers in the playoffs in 2007, Hoodie attacked them from a bunch of 3 TE formations that completely threw them off guard. It only works if you still have three TE’s that are still healthy.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 13, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing is clear, Price is a better receiver than Tate.

I like the OL in this game they are mostly backups and the rest Rookies and they really stepped up, the depth on this team is scary!

by businessbmw on Aug 11, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah - ever since watching vids of Price in college, i've been convinced he's the real deal.

Even though he was in a super-simple passing offense with a really bad QB, he was obviously a superior football player. Sure he’s fast, but he’s also very smart and incredibly strong – as we saw tonight when he fought through two defenders to make a catch. I love the way he pursues the ball and makes the play instead of waiting for the play to just happen.

He sorta reminds me of a cross between Ocho and a young Tory Holt.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been saying for a while

but his Combine measurables were almost identical to DeSean Jackson, except he’s 20lbs heavier and a few inches taller. Woo!

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 12, 2011 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woo!

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, it's....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

/Ric Flair’d

\Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

by PatNation85 on Aug 12, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Indeed it is, sir! Indeed it is!

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It helps that

he can, you know, CATCH THE DAMN BALL. Brandon Tate is a heckuva returnman, but he has the worst case of stone-hands I’ve seen since Laveranues Coles.

by nbradley07 on Aug 12, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, he just never seems to be on the same page as Brady

I noticed Taylor Price said in an earlier interview that he was working hard to earn Brady’s trust and the way to do that is to “catch the damn ball” as you said, and to be where he’s supposed to be.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 12, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone get these off........

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Refresh

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 11, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to tear this guy apart.......

there can be kids here. wtf is wrong with people. Will you guys be able to ban his IP?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't I gave up all of my duties.

I got tired of dealing with these guys all the time.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 11, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i see what you mean.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was it?

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 11, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was green beer again. take a guess. lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

an inappropriate gif.

Third time he’s done it, at least.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 11, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy keeps switching his IP address

It’s impossible to track him, so I’m not sure what to do here. Might have to start members with a probationary period.

by Greg Knopping on Aug 11, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

he has to run out of IPs no?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is what it is.

The few ruin it for the rest, it’s how the world works.

by mrjpark on Aug 12, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe more moderators?

These sewer-dwellers seem to spew their garbage mostly during game-threads.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I should be around next game thread as well.

This one, unfortunately, I was asleep. Adjusting to a new early-morning work schedule.

by UtopianAverage on Aug 12, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks! I saw that

Until I someday get a laptop, I won’t offer to moderate since my computer is two rooms away from the TV (and there’s no way I plan on missing any games). I appreciate your protection services, keeping this site clean : )

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 12, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Laptop needs to get fixed... :/

Something’s wrong with the power cord, or the battery, or where the cord plugs into the computer, or all three. Not really sure.

In any case I have a normal desktop computer as well.

by UtopianAverage on Aug 12, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg,

Set a two day time limit on game day.

Then set it back a couple days later.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 11, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, I'm a member of every SB Nation Football blog, and had to wait on about half of them.

It was pretty painless process.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 11, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

They do it for most blogs although it kinda is annoying for most first time users.

by Gr8tness on Aug 12, 2011 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

it's a bit annoying

I wanted to post at Hogs Heaven after the Haynesworth trade and had to wait 24 hours, but now it’s been a week and I never got the urge to go back. I hate to discourage legitimate fans from being a part of this great community.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 12, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

On multiple occasions, I’ve signed up for another blog on the day the “Ask Pats Pulpit” forum gets posted, but since I can’t post for a day (or two), I don’t post and never end up going back.

by nbradley07 on Aug 12, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is the way to go.

plan ahead, peoples! Join the AFCW and NFCE blogs now, so you can comment later.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not that big of a deal. These sites offer two things: A source of news and the ability to discuss it with others. It’s not like you’re not letting them read the updates, they just can’t use the comment section for a couple days.

by mrjpark on Aug 12, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those cost a good 100.00$ a month...

This guy needs to find something better to do with his money…

Yankees suck.

by New Century Silver on Aug 12, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure how feasible this is but ....

Let new members write text messages but don’t allow them insertion of picture capability until some period

by prioris on Aug 12, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on the probationary period.

If a user is for real, they’ll wait an hour or even a day to join.

Another tactic is to setup an email confirmation system for registering an account (that’s where before the account becomes ‘active’ they have to click on a link recieved in their email – it confirms their email address is for real). It’s not foolproof, but it is one more hindrance for creeps to have to game.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

DUDE...It's Pre-Season

Detroit won all there pre-season games the year they went 0-16…Just sayin.

"SALTWATERJAG"

by SALTWATERJAG on Aug 12, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

But were expected to slaughter Jax.

Kind of hard to work out the good teams, but you can tell if the Pats’ areas of concern (pass rush, primarily) is improving or not. Seems like it is.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Especially since Wilfork + Haynesworth ought to be more disruptive up the middle than anything involving the backups.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 12, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

We could say that about Knighton and Kampman who did not Play..

Along with we only had 2 starters on our O-line…

 You guys definitly have way better depth I will say.

"SALTWATERJAG"

by SALTWATERJAG on Aug 13, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyway to see if GGN will go and ban Green Beer as well

He doesn’t deserve to be on sbnation and I’m sure they wouldn’t want a jerk like that representing them.

Don’t ever wrestle with a pig. You’ll both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it.
1 Cor 13:13

by thirteen on Aug 12, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greg, it may be impossible to make him leave

If you have Verizon DSL or similar internet, all you have to do is unplug and replug your router and you receive a brand new IP address. The process takes moments and you can spam again. Even if you don’t have one of these internet connections, you can use proxy websites which give you a masked IP address that you can use.

I would recommend the probationary period, but if this guy is really motivated, he can wait until the probationary period is over and then spam again.

Cyril P
cyrilp715@yahoo.com

by Cyrilp on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but you ban him and he is gone for two days....

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 11, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then let's do the 2-day probationary period.

I agree with JacksAxe. There could legitimately be children on this site, those as young as 10. I was a die-hard Patriots fan who could navigate the internet then. I know I would’ve been on this site had it been here and I’d known about it back then.

Cyril P
cyrilp715@yahoo.com

by Cyrilp on Aug 11, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Kids are getting soft these days. Back in my day, we took our tubgirl pics with nary a groan

AND WE LIKED IT

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then there was 2 girls 1 cup...

…and the pain olympics…

…what the hell was wrong with me…

by mrjpark on Aug 12, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

never seen them never will. lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

and /b/

Don’t forget about /b/

by Chari on Aug 12, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL forgot about them /b/tards.

by mrjpark on Aug 12, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i laughed.

"There's no place like it, and it's ours." - Stephen King on Fenway Park

by 808BostonSportsFan on Aug 12, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly....When I was 10 we stole Grampas hustlers and playboys and went and hid to look at them.

And I turned out great……

  :This SMS sent from Raiford Prison, East Unit in Union, Florida.

"SALTWATERJAG"

by SALTWATERJAG on Aug 12, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get back to talking football.

Which guy hurt his stock the most tonight (on the pats)?

My votes for Darius Butler.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 11, 2011 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Brace and Deaderick are in trouble, too.

Everyday they can’t get on the field makes it more clear that staying on the PUP list is best case scenario for them.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 12, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

They might

cut both of those guys… Really, what is the point of keeping either of them around when you have a top four of McCourty, Bodden, Ras-I, and Arrington? Keep another at a different position.

by amerrill on Aug 12, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because if one goes down, you're screwed if you're only carrying 4.

Don’t forget, these guys are your ST players as well, excluding maybe not McCourty and Bodden given their place as the starters.

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by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCourty had second-most (equal) ST tackles last year, even though he was starting

And Arrington was in the top 3 or 4, too, and he started on the other CB spot for all but two games.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 12, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he's unlikey to his year, hopefully.

Far too valuable on D.

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by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Butler was the most disappointing. Thank god this team has great secondary depth, just in case...

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by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No he just barely played. I don't think anyone hurt their stock besides for Hernandez who dropped a few passes

But he recovered later on and played really well.
Pats second string defense is the winner today.
Played VERY well.
Had trouble with the power running early like they did last year against I forget his name but he’s a power rusher for the packers.
But they recovered and the whole team played very well from mid first quarter till the end of the game.

by Gr8tness on Aug 12, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

your thinkin of john kuhn. the paqckers fb/hb

we also had ALOT of problems with peyton hillis last year as well

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by 2Chung5 on Aug 12, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wasn’t paying attention to secondary too closely. I think shortened preseason
was not good for secondary.

Butler had most tackles in game but don’t know how to interpret it

Let’s see how they do in third and fourth preseason game. Give them a little more time
to condition their reflexes and communication. If communication is bad then
secondary will suck.

by prioris on Aug 12, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

tackles=bad

tackles for a corner means the receiver caught the ball and they had to take him down 20 yards down the field. Although, I guess that’s better than missing the tackle…

by amerrill on Aug 12, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

CB tackles aren't necessarily for his own man.

They could mean a running back penetrated to the back field, for example.

But in general, you are absolutely right in that your defense is working best if the DL & LB are doing most of the tackling.

But even if the defense as a whole is working well in that regard, a CB still can end up with the most tackles if he is in for the most snaps (i.e. no single front 7 man may have had more tackles even if the front 7 overall is doing most of the tackling).

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by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the only "negative" news today is that the jags signed Matt Roth .

Could’ve been useful.
Although pats have enough depth one more couldn’t hurt.

by Gr8tness on Aug 12, 2011 12:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Roth wanted more money for Pats and that kind of killed any deal.

by prioris on Aug 12, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Putting the great overall play of the team aside for a moment, I do think Hoodie should be ashamed

for running up the score like he did. Classless move, continuing to call positive-yardage plays when several series of kneel-downs would have been appropriate after 45 minutes of play.

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by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Bro, I was chearing for 54-12.

Be glad you have hoodie, and not me ;)

Yankees suck.

by New Century Silver on Aug 12, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The pats offenses job is to score

The Jags defenses job is to stop them from scoring. They couldn’t, so now we ran up the score? First preseason game, you look at all your players. Not our fault they are all good

by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 12, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

But a little mercy isn't too much to ask for. Consider for a moment how terrible Blaine Gabbert felt after his debut performance

If he’s forced to play behind Todd Bouman because of this, the emotional damage could be irreparable.

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine the emotional damage the Jag fans had upon seeing Mallet and then comparing Mallet to Gabbert.

by prioris on Aug 12, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jack del Rio is pacing in his office right now, chanting to himself...

“Character issues….the boy had character issues…he’ll never be as good as Blaine…”

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

x2

For Gabbert also having character issues

Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!

by No Pity on Aug 12, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA.. Mallet didn't have any pressure in his face.. Gabbert did.

Lets see how Mallet does when he is gettin smacked.. Shit…I could have completed the passes Mallet completed.. If you wanna crown hin then CROWN HIS ASS.

 Just Pre-SEason…. Gabbert> Mallet

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by SALTWATERJAG on Aug 12, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'll have to get smacked, first

Pats O-line looked all right for a bunch of temps and fill-ins.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 12, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

He almost got smacked a few times against the jags

but he avoided it. 0.o But I would like to see him go down just to see what he does. lol

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you must be kidding

This is professional sports, I am sure no one is concerned about a player’s pscholoogical well being. Winning keeps the seats full, and equates to job security. This is not paddy cakes, it’s pro football, played by men.

by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 12, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's kidding
“…when several series of kneel-downs would have been appropriate after 45 minutes of play.”

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by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Running up the score for dummies...

That would be going for 60 yard bombs on every play, stopping the clock or scoring. Keeping a drive going, and the clock running, is not running it up.
Taking a guaranteed 3 points is running it up, going for it on 4th down (especially when everyone in the stadium knows it’s a fade to Moss, or Gronk now) is not.

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by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup

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by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

1) Its the pre-season, he still gets to have a "first game" in the regular season.

2) Hes a first round pick: Unless he is a bust, he really has nothing to worry about.
3) If he is a bust, then this is the least of his worries.

Yankees suck.

by New Century Silver on Aug 12, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys, I've sent out a lot of emails to make sure this guy is gone for good

In addition, the two day probationary period is officially in effect. If he signs up, we should be able to catch him before he can post.

by Greg Knopping on Aug 12, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, Greg.

Sorry you have to deal with this crap.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 12, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at the Jet's depth chart today.

And while I probably am not as knowledgeable about their younger players, their lack of depth is really startling.

This team has a really unique situation going. Our depth really is unheard of. Positions like QB, RB, WR, TE, O-line, ILB and CB are set with young talent, and we have two first and two seconds again next year.

We have to young assets at QB who could soon be commodities. (More draft picks)

I’m so glad this is my football team, and not someone else’s.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 12, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd say that the 2010-2011 and beyond Pats

may be the best built team in history. I’m no expert, but they’re definitely the best I’ve seen. I don’t mean talent wise, and I don’t necessarily mean most likely to win, but the way the team is built… with no obvious holes and backups who are better then most team’s starters… its really quite amazing.

Maybe I’m too high on them, idk, but I can’t help but feel this team is alot better then the team of 2007. They might not get the luck that we got in 2007, but they have more potential.

Yankees suck.

by New Century Silver on Aug 12, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Pack will be pretty deep.

They have enough star players to build around once they start to retire, hit FA, etc.
Rodgers, Jennings, Finley (maybe), Raji, Matthews, Williams is a pretty good core.

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by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Finley is over rated.

Has the guy even 10 games, yet? It doesn’t matter how athletic or talented he is if he can’t stay on the field.

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I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.

by BigRussNovak on Aug 13, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a freak, athletically,

But the Pack will let him walk once he hits FA, or maybe try and trade him before that. He’s too much of a diva for a guy who has 16 career games.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 13, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

there may be no room on team for the first and second rounders except maybe a Center

by prioris on Aug 12, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Please sign a center/interior lineman ASAP

by amerrill on Aug 12, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Brewster 2012!

It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.

by BigRussNovak on Aug 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like a campaign poster.

Nothing wrong with that.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 13, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a testament to the management and scouting this team has

Building a team as good as this is more impressive to me than winning a Lombardi trophy (but I wouldn’t mind seeing the Pats nail one of those this year, either). Especially in the salary cap era. The league may have to institute some new rules to stop this from happening again.

It’s sad to think that this run of success will end someday. Is there any way to ensure that Hoodie will continue coaching until he’s 120?

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hoodie is really something special. You can't replicate him.

He wrote down supposedly everything he knows and has learned coaching football into a book and gave it to Josh McDaniels when he left for Denver but McDaniels still managed to screw it up. You can’t just have Hoodie’s knowledge, you have to have his instinct. It’s unparalleled.

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by Cyrilp on Aug 12, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's also the problem that Josh McDaniels is Josh McDaniels

And when it comes down to choosing the Hoodie Way or the McD Way, the Hoodie Way can’t always win out. A lot of the decisions BB makes are very…strange, or outright terrible-looking when they first happen, but the brilliance becomes apparent in hindsight. You can’t really expect someone who isn’t BB to be able to emulate him every step of the way.

…That being said, I’d kill to see that book.

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say

BB should be kept on as the head coach until he passes away, and even then for a few years after.

by indy pats fan on Aug 12, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know how when you make a franchise in Madden

and you get to the point where you’ve built such a good roster through trades and signings that it’s almost no fun anymore?

That’s where Hoodie is right now.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 12, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except by that time, I've also got a handful of 19-0 seasons under my belt

Maybe he can get started on that in 2011.

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by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 12, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You want him to live until he is 120?

Maybe we can trade a couple of draft picks in 2014 for Al Davis’ secret.

by Chari on Aug 12, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know, but

Look at Hoodie and Brady – Hoodie found the #1 QB in the 6th round.

If there is anyone anywhere on earth that is even close to Hoodie, Hoodie will, provided the Pat’s management lets him, find them and choose them as his replacement.

Yankees suck.

by New Century Silver on Aug 12, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness

Rehbein found him. But yeah, it was still Hoodie’s call

Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!

by No Pity on Aug 12, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyways, how will Fletcher fit in with the defense? Judging by this game do you think he can start at OLB for us in the 4-3?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

He can fill-in for Spikes on passing downs

And Ninkovich can play Sam- something he did in 3-4 last season. Fletcher should start there on early downs.

I have the same birthday as Tom Brady.

by freeland1787 on Aug 12, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fletcher looked great against the run

I hope he gets a start at OLB.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for being off-topic, but

are you guys also seeing the NESTEA background on this website? Its hot ;)

Yankees suck.

by New Century Silver on Aug 12, 2011 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Of my 10 points for the game

They hit on 9.5 of 10- Run offense at 1/2 only for ypc

I have the same birthday as Tom Brady.

by freeland1787 on Aug 12, 2011 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

ESPN NFL coverage

Was odd.

Totally obsessed with the Eagles and kept showing Vick’s one highlight play pass to Cooper about a zillion times. I swear to god, it seemed 15 of the NFL Live’s 30 minutes were devoted to this.

They also spent ton of time over-analyzing how bad Tebow is and somehow finished analyzing the Denver-Bronco game with the gem from Tim Hasselbeck that Romo is a great QB who could pass for 4000 yds.

When they finally got around to covering the Jags v Pats game, they seemed to show mostly Jags highlights – they seemed all hung up on covering Gabard’s debut – and glossed over all but a couple of Patriot’s plays.

The wierdness continued with their coverage of the Seattle v San Diego game – showing way more highlights of San Diego – who ended up losing.

Go figure.

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by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 2:32 AM EDT reply actions  

It's preseason, so they're gonna go with storylines over actual highlights

Who wants to see highlights of the Pats 2nd stringers kill the Jags 2nd stringers. Preseason results are totally meaningless. Therefore, they focus on the stories, and the Eagles, Tebow and the rookies are big stories. Not sure why they would focus on SD though.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Aug 12, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because the alternative was focusing on Seattle.

everyone knows ESPN only cares about east coast teams, anyway

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by ISN on Aug 12, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was the 3rd string Patriots team btw

Which is more sad

I have the same birthday as Tom Brady.

by freeland1787 on Aug 12, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's also the Jags

So that’s probably pretty even.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Aug 12, 2011 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rex called it first! lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do u think BB knows he got the right guy when referring to Mallett?

He said that about Brady in 2000

I have the same birthday as Tom Brady.

by freeland1787 on Aug 12, 2011 3:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Further cut observations …

Maneri and Ohrnberger are simply too small in today’s NFL. Even Koppen is too snall, but, BB clearly values Koppen. Next draft, I am certain we will see a monster center drafted (probably two). The next center must be 320 lbs +/- to match this group going forward.

Solder…Mankins….center….Cannon…Vollmer

by OneOpinion on Aug 12, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

If our 2012 O-Line looks like this:

Solder…Mankins….Brewster….Cannon…Vollmer
I’m doing cartwheels!!

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Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

by PatNation85 on Aug 12, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd.

He’s such a beast.

It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.

by BigRussNovak on Aug 13, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maneri’s last measurements are Height: 6-6 Weight: 290 (probably heavier this year)
His arms I think are 34 1/2 inches

He should have the frame to EASILY add enough extra weight

the only thing i found on maneri is “Steve Maneri is a 3rd team right tackle, but may move inside to right guard due to the lack of size and depth at the right guard position.”

if maneri can play multiple positions, he becomes more valuable

by prioris on Aug 12, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg - are you working on v2.0 of your 53 man roster projection?

It will be interesting to see it take shape now that we’ve got one preseason game over with.

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by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

he should wait after preseason game 2

by prioris on Aug 12, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be v3.0!

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by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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