Patriots vs. Lions: Pats Starters Sluggish, Lions Take 27-10 Halftime Lead
by Greg Knopping on Aug 27, 2011 9:38 PM EDT
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New England Patriots at Detroit Lions
NFL Preseason Week 3
Lions Coverage: Pride of Detroit
- Things didn't start well for the Patriots. On their opening drive, the Lions took the ball straight down the field aided by a long Matthew Stafford to Nate Burleson completion with Devin McCourty in coverage. The drive ended with a field goal. However, Detroit held the Patriots in check on their opening drive. They got the ball back, and aided by a long Jerome Harrison catch and run on a well-executed screen, punched the ball into the endzone with a Stafford to Burleson pass (Arrington in coverage).
- The entire first half was dreadful for the Patriots' offensive line. Quarterback Tom Brady was consistently under duress. Dan Connolly, Dan Koppen, and Sebastian Vollmer all particularly struggled. It's just one preseason game, but this isn't a good sign.
- This is the preseason for the referees as well. The refs had three blown calls in the first quarter alone. They called a phantom offensive pass interference on Chad Ochocinco that cost the team a big gain. Then, after the Lions touchdown, the missed a clear face mask on Brandon Tate on the kick return. On the next drive, they missed a blatant helmet-to-helmet hit on Danny Woodhead that was also a clear pass interference.
- Despite picking up a sack, Kyle Arrington had a first half to forget. He was burned for touchdowns twice. The latter by tight end Tony Scheffler in the slot.
- Tom Brady really struggled in the first half. He underthrew a lot of receivers. Some of his struggles may have been due to the lack of pass protection, but Brady looked off most of the first half.
- Ndamhkong Suh played dirty. Hands down. Every time I've seen him play, he's made late hits - just dirty plays. His "head hit" / shove on Logan Mankins in the second quarter was no exception. Inexcusable (and the fact that the refs missed it was just as bad).
- Julian Edelman is such a weapon on punt returns. I expect him to be used full-time in that area in 2011.
- If there was a bright spot for the Patriots on offense, it was the play of Aaron Hernandez. "Herndo" made four grabs on the Patriots' field goal drive, and made some nice moves after the catch on a couple of third down conversions off of short passes / screens.
- The Tom Brady touchdown pass to Wes Welker late in the first half was a pretty one. Brady sold the play action well, the corner bit, and when Brady looked up, he found Wes Welker streaking deep down the middle of the field. The Suh-Mankins incident seemed to light a fire under the asses of the Patriots' starters (Bill O'Brien telling it to the offense may have also helped) for a short time. The Lions then proceeded to take their starters out of the game, but Shaun Hill then led the team to 10 more second quarter points.
- No matter how bad the refs were, or how dirty the Lions played, there is no excuse for such poor execution from the Patriots standpoint. The team came out flat, and it showed. It's only the preseason, but there has certainly got to be some concern.
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I agree the Pats have been playing poorly
Let’s hope for a better 2nd half
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck.
~Don Shula
When Avril sacked Brady,
Suh was going for a BIG hit. Good thing Brady went down when he did. I hope the league starts watching Suh a little closer.
I think they already do. But he strikes fear in every player on the opposition. Brady included no doubt.
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Shouldn't matter, dirty is dirty.
I know everybody loves an aggressive player, but when that player is intentionally trying to harm people, which I TRULY believe is Suh’s prerogative, it’s time to really watch him. And start fining him worse than James Harrison.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully his coaches get the msg as well.
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
If you can find me
a single defensive lineman who doesn’t dream of lighting up the opposing QB in a game, then I’ll lay money that guy isn’t playing in the NFL.
Suh doesn’t lead with his helmet like Harrison and doesn’t have a history of injuring other players like Harrison. Comparing him to Harrison is nonsense.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...
I’ve NEVER seen Harrison try to twist the head off of an opposing QB.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Richard Seymour sucker-punched Ben Roethlisberger last year.
Vince clobbered one of the Bills QBs a few years ago, probably illegally.
It’s a D-line thing.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that Seymour was striking a blow...
…in defense of women.
Doubt it.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Richard Seymour would wait until that play to lay out Roethlisberger? Nah
If he had gone in headhunting, it would’ve happened first time they were near each other.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben said something to him.
Its like when wilfork stuck his finger out and poked one of the opposing teams eye lid. both of them didnt like what they heard, and both took action. Is it justified? nope.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yep
It was a reaction to goading, not a “This is for women in GA!” move.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I’m sure that was what runs through Seymour’s mind during a game…
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't until then that Rberger made a derogatory comment...
…about Richard’s wife
yeah that was the comment.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Maybe Brady was irking Suh?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And after he got fined for it, he hasn't done it since.
The fine on Cutler was for a nonexistent elbow on a QB who had crossed the line of scrimmage and was a running back, therefore nonsense.
The Dalton hit, he was blamed for knocking off Dalton’s helmet, but replay clearly shows Dalton’s own lineman did it.
Suh is a lot less dirty than people suppose. He’s just too damned fast in that large of a body, so everything looks scary.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The non-existant elbow
Was still a strike to the back of the head. It was just on open-handed palm strike, not an elbow. Watch the play again at full speed and it’s really a punch in the head. Roughness is not illegal, unnecessary roughness is.
No, it was a push in the back
He is just so gifted athletically that it looked violent.
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Suh's palm goes to the base of Cutler's helmet
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa427/Arkbot/Suh-PalmStrike-Cutler.png
It may have been an open hand, but it was a palm strike, which is a lot more like a punch than a push.
According to rule 12, section 2, article 1, part c):
“All players are prohibited from striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back or side of the hand, wrist, arm, elbow, or clasped hands.
According to article 3 of the same section:
“A defensive player may use the palm of his hands on an opponent’s head, neck, or face only to ward off or push him in an actual attempt to get at a loose ball.”
Can you honestly say based on the picture I linked that Suh did not strike too high?
That's AFTER the initial hit
Cutler started going down, which is why Suh’s hand moved higher. Don’t believe in stills, watch the video.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I've watched it a few times
I took those stills myself from video. I can’t find any angle showing Culter’s back but the two shots from the front (those stills) look like the bulk of the force is delivered to the base of the head. He may make initial contact at the top of the back but if he does he only glances the pads on the way to the helmet, where the ferocity of the hit is delivered. If the blow landed on Culter’s shoulders his head would have jerked back, not forwards. Based on the above rule and available evidence, not to mention the referee’s initial call on the field, and public outcry aside, I can’t see how that’s not personal foul.
The ref's initial call was an elbow to the head!
Check your replay. Where’s his elbow? Yeah.
That’s what you’re using for evidence?
“He may make initial contact at the top of the back”…..
WHICH IS LEGAL. Let me stress that. Hitting someone in the back is LEGAL. It wasn’t the head. It wasn’t the neck. It wasn’t the face.
Suh made a legal hit on a running back that looked more violent than it was. He was flagged for an infraction that didn’t exist, and got fined solely because Cutler’s a QB.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because he got the wrong body part in the initial call doesn't mean that the correct call isn't a foul.
If a ref called a horsecollar on something that was actually a facemask, he’d be wrong, but it’d still be a foul.
Touching him in the back is legal. Following through and delivering the majority of the force of the blow to the head is not. If grabbing your shirt is legal but punching you in the face is not, than doing both in succession isn’t legal just because I grabbed your shirt first. The play is not automatically legal because he touches his back first. The follow through is a forceful strike to the back of the head (or at least that’s my interpretation of the initial camera angle).
The penalty may not have been called if it had been Matt Forte. But as the rules are written, it should be. If a ref sees any player (passer, runner, or bystander) struck in the back of the head, whether with elbow, forearm, or palm, he should call a personal foul.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this one
but the palm is not part of the “back or side of the hand”, correct?
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I have no position on this incident
but the heel of the hand is considered part of the palm and a palm strike would fall under this rule.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Except that was fingertips at best
that wasn’t the heel of the hand.
So, no, it doesn’t apply.
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The picture's show fingertips
But if you extrapolate backwards to the part of the hit where you can’t clearly see where his hand is, and watch Suh’s motion and the subsequent jerking forward of Cutler’s head, one can infer from that that Suh’s had just collided forcefully with the back of Culter’s helmet.
Watch the replay
He never hit Cutler’s helmet.
Plus it was an open hand, not a fist. It was a bad call by the NFL, period.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it was a bad call.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I agree with you that that attempted "hit" on Brady was out of line
Brady had already been thrown around and had a knee, or both on the ground, and Suh came in like a missile at his head. If Brady didn’t have the good fortune or instincts to duck, he would have gotten creamed, on what would have been a gratuitous late hit.
Per Reiss:
“LB Jerod Mayo and S Patrick Chung with a discussion after Mayo is in coverage on Lions TD pass. Pats D coming unglued.”
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Bit early to say that.
Shrug. Better they have issues now than later.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bit early to say that.
Shrug. Better they have issues now than later.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayo was clearly covering on the outside
His inside help failed for one play. It’s hardly a reason to say ‘unglued’.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Reiss is also unsurped by the way the game has unfolded.
He’s not usually one to jump to reactions quickly. But no matter how u slice it, this performance has been hideous.
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
yes it has.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Well nice job by the Lions in the first half..
..As for the Pats, just going to have too take the L and keep it moving. Rough night..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
They have a lot of work to do
Offensive line sucked, and the secondary as well. Brady had no time to work
Brady is already concerned about the rush rather than his recievers. Glad this is pre season
Matt Light sucked the worst.
Solder actually held up as a rookie better than Light. Light was ABUSED!!!
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
When brady did had time to work
he didnt impress me a lot.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
my point Jack
He was rattled right from the start
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yep.
but I expected him to bounce back. He looked like a rusty brady out there.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Jack, you never impress us but we do not bitch about it:P(J/K)
by frogfromthemud on Aug 27, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
The Patriots are going to come out with 3 balls for the first drive… an old trick play… Brady will throw them 1 after the other to different receivers. That’s 21 points right thurr
by quadruple option on Aug 27, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
Suh will just tackle Brady three times :(
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So true, he is awesome..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
NFL needs more Krafts and less Joneses....
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Less *Snyders
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But more Al Davis... :)
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Ha,ha. Great minds think alike..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Kraft is amazing.........
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck.
~Don Shula
i guess brady will play...
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
The first unit
should stay out after the half after their lack of performance in the first half
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not going to complain
about the refs. with the exception of that offensice interference call on Ocho on the first series. He got speared past 5 yds. beyond the line of scrimmage. I thought they changed the rule regarding a defender tackling a reciever after thefirst Super Bowl we won
Andre Carter is getting held every play.
Not getting called though.
WTF was dat?
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
I would love to see Ridley against the Lions' starters.
Why not see if he can make a difference?
Then it's REALLY sad...
that Brady can’t get anything going….
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
NICE OUR 1S GETTING STUFFED BY DETROITS BACK-UPS
No I'm not the best, I just live life like it.
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by 2Chung5 on Aug 27, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's just one of those nights..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
It happens
just like last year against the Browns.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Could brady checking down a lot
have to do with the fact that its just preseason, and he doesnt want to give it his all, or is it because our WRs are getting covered well? And yes, Im taking our OL into consideration.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He hasnt done anything.
I think he gets sit down.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Before Tate? Zero.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you quantify performance?
Tate has missed the whole preseason and hasn’t done anything, Ocho has been there the whole preseason and STILL hasn’t done anything. Ocho is older than Tate and has NO special teams value.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ocho has 10,000 yards in the bank, and has been practicing
Tate has zero, hasn’t been practicing (hurt), and his secondary role is less important with the rule change. Tate’s ST value isn’t that much over zero, now, especially with Edelman stealing his lunch.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
His secondary role is less important THIS season.
There is nothing saying the kickoff line won’t be changed back. Plus, what good is a guy if he doesn’t produce? At least with Tate, you have the future as a possibility. With Ocho, you have retirement.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say
that I am not against having price replace Ocho.
But Im willing to give ocho some time. We traded for him after all.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Same here
but Ocho shouldn’t get a free pass when we have so much youth.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't keep around a kick returner just because he might do something next year
Not enough roster spots. Besides, if you were going to do that, he’d get Foxboro Flu and nobody gets cut.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If there's more value to a kick returner who might develop into a solid receiver,
you keep him opposed to an aging WR that is dropping passes left and right and can’t learn the offense.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Than a solid receiver already, who needs to learn the playbook?
Doubtful.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially since Tate hasn't shown he knows the playbook any more than Ocho.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
tate doesnt look like he got a chance at WR....
is he in the game at WR now?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I would agree with you if Ocho had showed ANYTHING
However, Ocho has showed me that he can’t beat the press coverage, he can’t catch, and he doesn’t know the playbook. Is that worse than Tate? Probably not, but Tate is young and has potential. Remember, before his knee injury at NC, he was a projected 1st Rd pick.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ocho has been doing well in practice
Which is something. Tate hasn’t been practicing, which is actually nothing.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you are willing to say this after tw preseason games?
huh?
Ocho has the potential to be a much much better WR for this offense than tate. maybe even more than price.
If anyone would be cut, its tate, because price and edelman is ahead of him now, and i dont think BB will release ocho after two preseason games after trading for him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Sorry to disagree, but...
Ocho is old. Price and Tate both have youth on their side. Do I think BB will cut Ocho? No. Do I think he will cut Tate? Yes. However, I personally think it’s a bad move, as Tate could develop and I am just opposed to stunting youth to encourage old age.
by PieEyedPiper on Aug 27, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he isnt encouraging the old
if he has to make a cut at WR, he has to make a cut that will be the best for his team. Loosing Tate is not bad, because we have Price. And we can draft another WR. Ocho also brings in knowledge to Price.
If he has to make a cut, it will be tate, and that will be because it is the best for the football team.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Ocho's old, but Branch isn't?
Silly talk.
Tate’s more likely to get IR’d, he’s had injuries keep him out. Especially if they might change the KR rules back.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
after the wide open drop from Hoyer?
Increased a little bit.
Just a hunch, but..
…I think both Ocho and Price blew a few assignments
by frogfromthemud on Aug 27, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think
Brady knows how to play half heartedly. I think it’s the poor play of everyone on ours side and Detroit is playing well.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Should be simple.
I predict Brady throwing more incompletions than completions.
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Aug 27, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow mark..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Our Starters vs. Drew Stanton = Stanton wins?
Didn’t see that coming….
wilhite down. :(
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Let's all turn off the game.
And remember that these games happen and it’s not cause for concern. If that wasn’t true, then you’d see teams go 19-0 every year.
welker neck injury.....
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Doubt it's that serious
They didn’t use the C-word, and he looked ok walking off.
Probably just a stinger.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Welker neck injury. this night is just getting worse..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Ugh.
It’s just preseason. Take the starters out! Winner of preseason is the team with no/less injuries.
Don’t ever wrestle with a pig. You’ll both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it.
1 Cor 13:13
Tommy want's out there..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
ocho is not doing good.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Welker's return is "questionable"
which means he’s dinged up, and it’s a preseason game.
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I have no idea how long it will be till ocho gets in sync with brady.
But im liking Price, Branch, Welker more right now.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Mayo, ugh..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Hard to believe
The pats game planned for this game, as all teams do for the third preseason game. I know Detroit is good but not this much better than the Pats.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
Same thing happened last year against the Rams.
In the “all important” “dress rehearsal” third preseason game, the Rams steamrolled the Pats. Bradford looked like an All-Pro, and the Pats looked lost on both sides of the ball.
Part of my thinks Belichick hangs the team out there without a gameplan just so he has PLENTY of material to use against them over the next two weeks.
im glad this is happening in preseason.
the way our team is playing right now, I’m glad this is happening.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Now their 3rd stringer is gonna pass all over us also
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Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Anyone thinking the same thing as me?
The Pats are just not a come from behind team, and have not been for a few years now?
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
the lions have a better LB core and receiving core than last year.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
oh no. the pats can come from behind.
its just not important right now to do so
No I'm not the best, I just live life like it.
Formerly Moss81
I think their defense isn't built to play game changers.
I think they are more opportunist based on the offense getting all of the points, they are able to capitalize on the opponent’s rush to score points and mistakes that come with rushing.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Aug 27, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny how
no one is a moron when after last week, people were talking supberbowl, It was pre season then too. You know I thought comments and opinions were accepted in here.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh?
Since when did preseason EVER dictate Super Bowl, one way or the other?
Lions won 4 preseason games, and then went 0-16.
Colts NEVER win preseason games, regularly make playoffs.
Anyone who looks at a preseason game and assumes success or failure of a season is actually an idiot.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was actually basising it off of last season...
where I believed their young secondary had talent but was opportunistic and rated higher than they should have been because of the help from the offensive.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
by Noble_Lance on Aug 27, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably won't be how they play this year.
Just an off night.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
We our just playing like Sh!t tonight...
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
If the pats don't get something going soon,
…I will have to hand the remote to my wife and let her watch the cooking channel
dude its not that bad don't do it.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
by Noble_Lance on Aug 27, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
[Insert generic: "OMIGOD, THEY AREN'T DOING WELL IN PRESEASON, THIS MUST SHOW X. AND MAYBE Y!" comment]
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Being belittled
by the regulars in here, is not conducive to others contributing. As I said above, if it’s acceptable rhetoric to speak of SB after two presoeasnon games, then this thread should accept a casual observation from those not in this clique. Blogs and threads should not have cliques. We are all Pats fans here.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Taking a play out of context [preseason] and saying DEY GONNA LOSE!!!
Isn’t conducive to anything, either.
People get far, far too overdramatic and attach ridiculous value to preseason snaps. A little balance is all that’s necessary.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I did not say
They were gonna lose. I was talking about not being accustomed or able to come back on a consistant basis. No one has the right to call someone a Moron for having an opinion or making a comment. They are going to be superbowl champs after two preseason games, is a bit of a reach also, but no comment made about that.
I have been a Patriot fan since 1960, Boston Patriots, playing at Harvard Stadium, I think I have a right to have an opinion.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Opinions aren't sacred
they can be wrong, and they can certainly be stupid.
If someone says “I’m of the opinion that I’m actually a purple alligator and the sky is upside down”, I don’t have an obligation to respect it merely because it’s an opinion.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
OK so calling someone
A moron is acceptable here. I get it now…….And purple allgators and upside down skies are stupid opinions. Now you are taking things out of context. I will refrain from having everyone in here having to contend with my stupid observations or opinions. It has been fun for awhile. Keep in mind, another fan can have observations when his team is playing discusting, 1st team,I am talking about, preseason or not. Playing poorly is playing poorly. A football fan can see than no matter who they root for.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't specifically target you, I have no idea what you actually said
I’m just saying that people espousing opinions don’t get a free pass from criticism.
Think I’m wrong about something? Call me on it. I won’t get all petulant and say “but it was just an opinion!” or whatever.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not getting petulant
Everything here is opinions basically….I have no problem someone disagreeing with me, being called a moron is another matter. You did not bring up the moron statement, NBBradly did after cutting and pasting your OMIGOD comment, I just don’t think there is a need for that crap. I commented about the Pats not looking like they still have a hard time coming from behind. That does not qualify as being moronic. I know it’s just a preseason game, but never-the-less, it is still a game. Not once did I say they were going to lose this season, Which you did say……
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I see
I stick by any statement I made that anyone who thinks a bad preseason game is a necessary indication of success or failure in the regular season is a moron. They just don’t go together.
If that applies, well, so be it.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Except no one really said that
Most were just pointing out that we were looking crappy today.
RIP Seve
precisely Cameron O.
Watching how they could do nothing only brought the thought that it appears they need to be in a close game or be leading. They have not had many come from behind wins when the other team has had a decent lead on them. I was talking about past performances, Never did I indicate they were going to lose this season. A simple observation from an old fan. As Comedic.Sans said, “So be it”
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
BabeParilli, is that you?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not once did I
Indicate that this preseason game was an indication of success or failure in the regular season. If you read my original comment I was talking about this game looking like past games when they have been behind two scores, disregarding the Detroit game last year. You are not illiterate you can read and comprehend what my origianal comment said, you know I was not predicting the Pats future this season. You should stick by any statement you make, as is what I am doing now……..agreed, So be it.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say it at you, if you remember
YOU are the one who chose to read it at some kind of personal attack or get upset about it.
Shrug.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I took it personal for whoever it was intended for
I just dont think there is a place for that kind of stuff. I mentioned my comment only because it came shortly after mine. As I said before, I said it wasn’t you who said and told you who it was. You’re the one who got into the conversation really. My reply was directly after Nbbradley or whoever, made the original comment. It does appear that only a certain few are free to say what they want in here. I enjoyed coming here because that is what seperated this blog from others. Guess I was wrong.
Shrug
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It happens every year
I was heading it off at the pass.
There were people who were wanting to CUT Brady two preseasons ago. Some wanted to cut him in preference to Hoyer last year…
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I never indicated
that was my implication. I was talking about the team in general. I think Brady is the best to have played this game……..I can appreciate you attempting to cut it off at the pass. No problem. The Moronic statement just seemed out of character from this blog is all. Peace.
PS I did not indicate ever that a preseason game was an indication of future success. Just clarifying.
Peace…….
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It's still a football game.
And should give us some indication of something.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
It’s a preseason game. It’s more about getting game-tape to work on. That’s why James Ihedigbo is playing at safety and not just relegated to STs.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I missed somehting, but I haven't seen anyone...
…trying to personally insult you, and if they have, on this site we pretty much roll with it. I hope you stick around, there’s always room for a good fan. Maybe, oh, I don’t know, don’t be so touchy, grow a thick skin, or learn how to give some back. beleive it or not, most people on here are pretty nice.
I was speaking generically
as nbradley was, I just didn’t think calling anyone a moron is appropriate. His commenet came shortly after mine re. the pats not looking like they have the ability to come back.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he was trying to be funny...
…so maybe it wasn’t, but no reason to get all dusted up about it. I’ve been called much worse.
You could be right
Possibly it was just my discussed by their performance coming out. Thank you for hoing I stick around. I do know that most in here are pretty nice, that is what seperated this blog from others and why I chose to sign up. OK what is done is done. I do have a pretty thick skin however, The comment just took me back a bit following my original comment is all.
by FloridaPatsFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, the lions are steamrolling us...
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
INT..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Lol, very lucky..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Let's put 7 more on the board..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Or not..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
why?
has he been targeted this game? was busy with something else…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
he hasnt shown anything yet.
Quick to say he is done for?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Kinda shaky on returns
And hasn’t had his number called much on offense, and your other returner has looked better, I think.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Branch wasnt called much on offense. in fact, i dont think he was called much on the entire preseason.
and he didnt do too well against the lions last year. and the lions have tremendous special teams players.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Branch didn't do too well against the Lions last year?
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by PatNation85 on Aug 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
im talking about preseason.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
BB's presser should be good..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
There won't be much of one
they are trying to beat the weather back to NE.
Ah, good point..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
I think they are better off staying in detroit form the looks of things
Irene is blowing up into New England already, i think.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2qn8woz.gif
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
They would but Farve keeps sending them pictures of centimeter marker.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Aug 27, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm on my 9th Heineken
and watching the game over the internet. I stand by my statement, lol.
This team is "laggy"
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Aug 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Ouch...not good
I’m glad this is preseason.
The Lions are going to roll up 500yards of offense on our 'defense'
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Shrug
Butler’s playing himself out of a job. Better to know now than during the season.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But we wouldn't actually cut Butler and Wilhite would we? That would only leave 4 CB's.
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by PatNation85 on Aug 27, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Roster cuts are this week
Teams will start cutting THEIR CBS, too. Shopping time.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody cut on the way down to 80 is going to be worth anything
Maybe 53, but that’s not until later.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Danny Woodhead might disagree.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean?
Woodhead was never released in the first cut down (usually 75, but 80 this year).
He made the Jets’ 53 in ’09, and was cut during the season.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
We was on the roster bubble prior to that
You’re just making out that cutdown guys are never, ever useful. That’s simply not true.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah really...
Brady was once a bubble player too! That kind of worked…
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Yep
4th QB in the 2000 training camp. They made the unprecedented move of keeping all four on the roster through the season.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Bubble players who make the 53 ≠ players cut down from 90 to 80 (or 80 to 75 for that matter)
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Eh?
Even good players are getting cut at this stage of the season, solely because they don’t fit.
Look at who is still available in free agency at this second: Brian Waters. He isn’t good enough to find a job somewhere? He’s unemployed, yet the 90th guy on some roster isn’t.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Waters is more of a financial casualty than anything else.
I don’t think there’s going to be any player cut on the 30th that will make a team’s final 53 later.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Shrug
You’re dismissing the possibility.
Tony Romo would’ve been a camp cutdown casualty his first year, except for the fact that Quincy Carter was cut for the drug rumours.
Tom Brady came in as the 4th QB, was still the 4th QB, and only for the fact Hoodie kept 4 on the roster was he not cut preseason.
Kurt Warner was cut preseason, during roster cutbacks. He went into Arena afterwards. Turns out he was pretty good…
Cameron Wake joined the Giants as a UFA but was cut in June (which is very, very early in the season).
I could find more, but that’s just off the top of my head.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
and how many of those guys were released in the cut down from 80->75?
Even guys who would have gotten cut in years past on the way down to 75 would survive the 1st cut in this unique post-lockout CBA because it’s increased to 80. So, yes, I’m dismissing the possibility. Any team who has any sort of scouting can identify good players with a potential NFL future, and teams who don’t have good scouting have some absolute garbage players on the bottom of their roster that no other team will have interest in. The team with the most players signed last year after the cutdown to 53 was the Packers (something ridiculous like 6 players made another team’s active roster). They appear to have another deep team stocked with talent; more than 53 guys are NFL-caliber. They’re going to cut seven guys by the 30th. None of them will make another team’s roster, let alone have a successful NFL career like you seem to imply the possibility exists. These are guys like Kerry Taylor, Theo Sherman, Anthony Bratton, etc. who simply don’t have what it takes. The league is cutthroat; there’s a lot of guys who simply won’t stick, especially this year with expanded preseason rosters.
#54-65 in camp, can maybe make an impact, but not #75-90.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Wake would've been, since he was released in June
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Point being, they're talented
Most of them simply give up and don’t do the hard slog of getting back into the NFL. It’s not for lack of talent, it’s just that the initial slap in the face puts them off trying.
Saying that nobody from 80-90 has talent is like saying that anybody selected in the first round has too much talent to fail. Simply not true, especially since a lot of those 80-90 cuts will be reactions to injury, not lack of ability.
Cameron Wake was cut pre-roster-cutdowns – he didn’t even make it to the cutdown to 75.
Tony Romo only just got past that first cut, and that’s because the other guy was as high as a kite and the team didn’t want to take the risk of having him test positive.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
So, your answer to my question is zero?
I never said that the #80-90 players don’t have talent. I said they “simply don’t have what it takes.” You can have talent & still not have enough talent.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
What?
I answered you.
Cameron Wake was cut in June.
Kurt Warner was cut post training camp, pre-preseason games.
A Hall of Fame QB isn’t good enough for you?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And that's without actually bothering to research, if you're going to complain about only having two
Those are the first two to come to mind.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
BenJarvus Green-Ellis was waived on 30 August his rookie year
but signed to the practice squad. That makes him a roster-cutdown casualty, and he turned into a 1000 yard RB.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Stephen Neal was waived as a rookie on 26 August
That’s pre-75 cutdown. He was pretty good, too.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Shall I keep looking?
I haven’t even got beyond the Pats roster, yet.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Marc Bulger was waived after training camp
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Rob Bironas was part of three teams in his first preseason
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Shane Graham waived August 22
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions
James Harrison was constantly cut and re-signed as a rookie on and off the practice squad.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Fred Jackson never even got a 80 contract, he played indoor football.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Brendon Ayanbadejo
Signed to Atlanta, cut, played in Canada, got back in NFL, became Pro Bowler.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeremiah Bell
Cut, put on practice squad, became Pro Bowler.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Malcom Floyd, waived 5 September.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Lance Moore, cut and put on Practice Squad
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Grant, waived and put on Practice Squad.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Robbie Gould, cut by Patriots preseason, signed to Ravens, because Pro Bowler.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Tramon Williams was cut in the 75-to-53 cutdown.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Brent Grimes couldn't crack the 53 for over a year of trying, cut and recut.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Moore, waived 1 September.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Danny Woodhead, waived/injured July 26 his rookie year
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Danny Amendola, cut 30 August.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Arian Foster, released 5 September.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
*became
I shouldn’t make lists when I’m tired.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 29, 2011 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That's an impressive list, looking back
I didn’t realise how long it was.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 29, 2011 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
And as far as I can see, Kurt Warner was cut after training camp, but before preseason games
So he could well have been a pre-75 cut, too.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I was saying guys who get released in the cutdown from 90 to 80 aren't useful
In fact, in my original message I mentioned how the cutdown to 53 might produce useful guys. So how about you don’t put words into my mouth that are in direct conflict of what I’ve posted, huh?
13.
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How about you get more needlessly aggressive about something pointless?
Go ahead. You know how this ends.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You banning me for having a different opinion than you?
13.
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Only if you specifically go about it as a troll
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
agree... the pink slips are going to be handed out like candy this week .
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck.
~Don Shula
Do they have a 4th string QB
we can try our defense against? Sheesh!
Zac Robinson
I’d like to see him get some snaps.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 27, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this what it feels like to be a Colt fan during preseason?
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
No, this is what it feels like to be a Colt fan
during the postseason. Zing!
by TheSTBadly on Aug 27, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
Because we got to see more than one game.
by indy pats fan on Aug 27, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brady lecturing ocho
“I didn’t ask Bill to bring you on board, Twitterman”
Ocho to Brady: "And had i known you get happy feet when u have a defender within 3 feet of you, i would'nt have come
aboard"
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Aug 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice play by Hoyer and Slater..
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and a penalty to follow
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
by PatNation85 on Aug 27, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Just one of those night..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
What we're seeing is why the Pats drafted Ridley and Vereen
Can’t get the pass game engaged without the run threat in some way.
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I'm still curious who the starter will be.
I think Vereen will be ultimately be the starter though.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Benny and Ridley have earned reps thus far, Woodhead as 3DB
And when Vereen gets healthy, he probably spells Woodhead initially, and then works his way into first-down RB snaps.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Ridley will get snaps over BGE though?
The Patriots’ RB depth chart is very crowded. I would agree with Vereen being worked in slowly, but I think he’s the best all-around RB for New England and could be a 3 down RB. It’d be interesting to see who lasts. I think one of them is bound to be released. Is there any possibility you think that BGE may not end up a Patriot? I couldn’t imagine Ridley and especially Vereen would last long on the Practice Squad.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
imo BJGE>Ridley
I think BJGE is a better all around back. who hardly makes mistakes.
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I do agree that he is better now, but I'd think Ridley may have a higher ceiling.
Though losing Ellis would make their backfield pretty inexperienced. Either way, Belichek will make it work. It’s really not a bad problem to have.
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I dont think of ridley like that yet.
we only seen him in 2 preseason games. BJGE looked good last game too.
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Ridley's already done something I've never seen Benny do
That outside wiggle on what was basically turned into a stretch play down the right flank, where he juked a LB out of his shoes and turned upfield at the sideline for about 15 yards or so – Benny can’t.
Plus Ridley’s already a better receiver than Benny.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen benny do that.
Benny has the wiggle in the middle too. Ive seen it against tampa bay.
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Ridley took it from the middle around the outside, and got upfield
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And so does BJGE.
BJGE is not as quick as ridley, but he is stroger and gets the tougher yardage imo. And he doesnt fumble, and he is dependable at the goal line.
Thats why I have him over ridley for now. in the future? Who knows.
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Getting around the outside is ALL about quickness and speed
And as much as I love having him on the team, Benny doesn’t have those.
He doesn’t fumble and he’s good between the tackles, so he has a role. But that’ll be his only role, because he’s not fast enough to run stretches and he can’t catch well enough to be a receiver.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think benny does have that.
he can get to the outside when he can, and can get yardage, but he is more of a north south runner. He gets the yards, and is dependable.
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Never seen it, can't say it's there.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen it before.
I know he has deceptive quickness(doesnt mean great quickness. just deceptive), and good speed. Also i like his vision a lot. And running against the lions is no easy feat.
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Running around the outside? When?
He’s been stuffed trying to run outside, I remember that. The Ravens blew him up on a stretch play last year.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh he doesnt do it every play. Like I said he is more of a north south runner.
I just seen him do it before. he is capable of doing it.
I like BJGE more than ridley now because he is very dependable (I dont know how ridley will do in the regular season), deceptively quick, has good speed, and very good power. He is also good at receiving, but they use woody for that.
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He's not better all-round, but the no mistakes thing plays well.
Ridley has more big play potential than BJGE
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
i will say that.
With ridley’s speed, with quickness and some power, he does have more big play potential. And his hands.
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I think they'll be a #1A and #1B
Benny will likely get early-game snaps, because he doesn’t get caught behind the line of scrimmage, and that lets Brady get into a rhythm because they’ll be moving downfield.
Ridley looks like the better overall back, and can catch more than Benny, so he might get second-half snaps while the Pats are ahead. He can roll over teams and keep constant pressure on, as well as threatening the big breakaway (which Benny can’t really do) if the opposition cheats the safeties back.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Go for it!!!!
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Got your wish.
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Does anyone know what the prognosis is on Welker's injury?
Didn’t see the play, bit I hope it isn’t serious.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
He walked off like nothing was wrong
so I don’t believe it’s anything too serious. At least I hope.
Yeah, all I heard is that it was a neck injury.
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He was said to be questionable to return
But like TheST said, he was able to walk it off like nothing happened and no one even knew about the injury until they announced it a few minutes later so I’m sure he’ll be fine… Hopefully.
by indy pats fan on Aug 27, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Head injury, status "probably"
But they won’t put him back out there for a preseason game where they have nothing left to prove.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
*probably. or questionable. I've seen both
But neither particularly matter in a game where they’ve already pulled the starters.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, wouldn't expect them too.
I was just hoping it wasn’t serious, which it doesn’t sound like it is. Knowing Belichek, Welker will be listed on the injury report with a hand injury.
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tate is not looking good on returns...
I have yet to see him play WR. To me, its clear that the pats have Price and edelman over Tate now.
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Do you no longer think it's unfair to crown Price the better WR?
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
lol
i didnt crown anyone of anything. lol Im just trying to be observant on why I dont see tate at WR much today. maybe he is still dinged up, but I doubt it.
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Hats off to the Lions...
..If Stafford can stay healthy, they may make some noise in the NFC north.
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Lol..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
The Lions looked good
and we looked terrible. Hats off. Goodnight all.
I'm still embarrassed at Brady's performance
It was inexcusable
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
You don't need a dominating O-line
to play at a reasonably good level
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
No, you just need an O-line period
Didn’t have much of one tonite
he had a decent OL tonight.
When brady have time, the throw was not good usually.
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what game were you watching?
the same one where Brady was sacked 3 times, knocked down 8-9, and hurried about 10? In about 4 series? Yeah that one?
Granted He had a couple of throws that weren’t sharp, but also a couple of wrong routes, too. I mean, if Brady misses that welker td, then i think it’s an off night.
You're being to easy on Brady
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
I've seen Brady for 10 preseason, I know when to be easy on him or not
He wasn’t great tonight, but, that had more to do with pressure, and some bad routes. Yes, a couple throws were off. yes, he wasn’t stellar. No big deal. The protection has to be better.
What bad routes?
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
there were a few wrong routes run by Ocho, Price, etc...
I have a strange feeling though, that that phantom call on Ocho for offensive pass interference seemed to really screw up the rhythm. It was after that play, or two, that he took his first big hit, and then they never recovered, teamwise.
he had time on some throws too
and took way to long looking down on one WR. Either that or missing his target. I counted many times he missed his target
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"Reasonably good" loses playoff games
Last 3 playoff games, 14 sacks.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all well and good until you play an elite D-line/ front-7
Giants, Jets (especially with Pouha and Ellis playing above themselves), Ravens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Already addressed it via the draft
Cannon (when he’s back) will help. Solder and Vollmer have added something. Probably need a new C some time in the near future.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly facing a good rush
isn’t an excuse to play terrible, and I’m using Brady’s MVP/GOAT standards to compare his performance
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Eh?
Quarterbacks can’t throw if they’re flat on their back. Could have have played better? Sure.
But why didn’t he? Being treated like a pinata doesn’t help someone play like a Hall of Fame QB.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
*he have played better?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not excusing the O-line at times they just laid down
especially after losing connolly, but pressure doesn’t stop you from necessarily stop you from stepping into throws and not throwing at the WR’s feet.
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Tom Brady acuracy was horrible
and compared to what he usually is even with pressure which is one of the most accurate QBs in the league.
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
That's an accurate description of how Brady played in week 3 of last year
Funny how that only seems to happen against teams who get a decent pass-rush on and mug WRs on the line?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If Tom Brady plays like this against a team
with a rush, he won’t be Tom Brady I mean he couldn’t hit anything over 10 yards except the wide open Wes Welker pass
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Newsflash: player looks rusty in preseason!
I wouldn’t stress. Brady hasn’t had all that much time on the field thus far, and he was doing it behind a makeshift O-line against a terrifying pass rush, with referees who seemed to be drinking on the job.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohh if you think I'm saying this is a sign of any kind
Your dead wrong. I know this is preseason after a lockout, I know Brady still isn’t in regular season form, but I still expect him to play well and be accurate. It’s only a couple weeks away from Miami so I would think performances like this from a QB of Brady’s caliber shouldn’t be happening no matter what. Missing open guys on multiple occasions when you had the time shouldn’t happen if your Tom Brady
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
So...
You recognise it’s a meaningless game.
You recognise that he’s playing with scrubs.
You realise he’s not in mid-season form.
You realise he’s had limited prep time.
But you still expect perfection, just because?
Did you forget he looked similarly rusty at the same point of last season?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That was our starting O-line
Yeah Connolly got injured, and that’s really when the flood gates opened, but he played a decent amount of drives and other than him that was our Starters he was playing with.
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
You sure?
Alternating Light and Solder, and having an injured Connolly, doesn’t quite sound like a solid, starting O-line arrangement. Also throw in that Ryan Wendell wasn’t fit, and that Vollmer supposedly had a leg pull this week early on in practice, “starting O-line” means almost zero.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Solder was better than Light
and I didn’t hear anyone bitching about a “banged up O-line” before this game. We are making excusing now
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
I think Detroits DL was just that good.
I dont think we came in here with a gameplan like a regular season game.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Thanks for the respect
Finally people are learning. Y’all are equating it out like “but what about when we play the Jets/Giants/whatever-good-rush”, but seem to have trouble understanding that Detroit’s line is THE BEST pass rushing line in the league.
Last year, the d-line with the most tackles? Detroit. The d-line with the most sacks? Detroit. The only line that even compared last year was the Giants, but only because they had a metric crap ton of forced fumbles (20 in total), which I would bank will not happen this year again.
You look at the top five sack teams from 2010. Pittsburgh had 48 sacks, but only 8.5 of them were from their DL. The Raiders had 47 sacks, but only 28.5 of them were from their DL. The Giants had 46 sacks, but only 35 of them were from their DL. The Lions, in counterpoint, had 44 sacks with 39 being from their DL. That’s over 88.5% of pressures being from the line alone, on a team that rarely blitzes.
Yes, Detroit’s DL was, and is, “just that good.” Don’t let getting beat up by it be such a red flag. Yes, your OL probably took a little step back from last year (where, by all accounts, it was bar none the best in the league), but don’t sound the alarms just yet.
Belichick has a lot of respect for Schwartz as a coach
Schwartz got his break in the league via Belichick at the Browns, and they carry a similar philosophy even to this.
Win the trenches, win the game. Any surprise that both of them have invested a whole lot of draft picks in impressive D-linemen over the years?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 29, 2011 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year I knew they had a very good DL.
imo, and i guess the stats show it, that the Lions, Giants, and Raiders are the top 3 DL in the league. You guys just need some CBs now. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Actually
Top three is NYG DET and TB, with OAK and PHI rounding out the top five. At least statistically from last year.
TB and OAK have remarkably similar stats, with 276/277 tackles and 28/28.5 sacks respectively, but TB forced 8 fumbles to OAK’s 3, so they edge them out.
DET/NYG are sort of a 1A/1B from last year, but I’m confident with the new additions that DET will firmly affix themselves to the top of that position.
As far as CBs, we have em! We grabbed Eric Wright which makes our main tandem Eric Wright/Chris Houston — neither of them played against you guys.
I've been saying it's a banged up O-line for years, actually
I’ve been saying that they struggle against an elite D-line pass rush since week 17 vs. the Giants in 2007.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree...
I just had flashbacks of Reggie Whites consecutive sacks in the SB…
And perfection I was not expecting
but I certainly wasn’t expecting Tom Brady to be so inaccurate that he could only have complete screen passes with success and even some of those required one-hand grabs from Hernandez
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Accuracy goes hand in hand with rhythm
And with a patchy O-line and uncalled holding on the WRs and general ‘blah’-ness on the Pats = no rhythm.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This...
…The offence as a whole was not clicking. Tough night.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
C'mon Comedic
Tom Brady can have a bad performance that mostly on him. We’re all pats fans here and can be critical of Brady. You cannot have rhythm if you under throw every ball over 10 yards!
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Brady was off. its clear as day.
When brady has enough time to throw the ball, I expect a good pass. Doesnt have to be amazing, just good enough for the WR.
But brady was less than good today throwing.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Exactly I was looking forward to a
Brady to Price or Brady to Ocho connection. And the pass rush made it very difficult to hit guys, but Brady’s inability to even give the WR a chance to catch the ball made it even harder. You can even see he was very disappointing in himself and his lack of accuracy. The interception was also bad.
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
yeah it was....
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I ripped Brady a new hole in the Jets playoff loss
But for preseason? Nowhere near the same thing. No rhythm because it’s a new season – somewhat acceptable.
Getting slaughtered in a playoff game after going 14-2, not so much.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Two different games
The Jets game was a very close playoff lose that came down to a handful of plays/mistakes that went in the Jets favor (Crumpler TD drop, Chung failed 4th down, Brady’s lazy throw resulting in INT ) to an elite defense. Also his WRs could get open.
The Lions lose was not even close to that. The O-line just rolled over, and Brady wasn’t getting the ball out quick enough, and when he did it lacked any kind of zip and often at the WRs feet. He was completely off last night.
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Could not get open
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Browns. Jets week 3.
Shrug.
Preseason, meh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 29, 2011 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Shades of the early 70's
Was expecting at least an effort from the Pats on this nationally televised game.Yeah it was preseason,but man that was hard to watch. Bill can start shrinking the roster with Ochostinko,Sanders,Morris & Fat Albert! Where the hell has he been 3 games into preseason & no sign of his fat ass.And promote Edelman & cut that freakin dollar chasing Branch.Price & Tate are much more deserving than Stinko & Branch.
by Pat's apologist on Aug 27, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
What?
/not sure if trolling.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
On closer inspection...
I remember you. You’re the one who called Belichick a “CHEAP BASTURD!” over something nonsensical. Now you’re claiming Belichick is paying people too much?
Pretty sure you’re a troll. I’ll assume you are until proven otherwise.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't get too worried Pats fans
The Pats are the type of team that makes everybody else play like it is the Super Bowl against them. I think this was just a case of the Lions having way more intensity than the Pats did. The Lions were really looking for some payback after what Brady did to them in the second half last Thanksgiving too. I really think that if this were a regular season game the situation would have been much different.
With all that said, I am a Lions fn and I will take some joy from this win even if it is preseason. When you are a Lions fan you have to take your joy where you can.
I agree with you...
…but a solid effort from the Lions, even thought it’s preseason, you gotta be pretty happy.
Yeah, it has been a long time since we had a legit NFL team in Detroit.
It feels pretty good to finally have a team that has a shot at making the playoffs after more than a decade of really horrible teams.
Pats got blown out by the Rams last year in preseason
And went onto 14-2. Vanilla preseason plays get vanilla preseason results.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Pats lost to the Rams last year 36-35
although the Rams first team offense beat us pretty good
I only remember the #1s-vs-#1s part
And the Pats got whomped.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Any score past half-time doesn't really count
More often than not they’re due to a blown coverage by some guy on the roster bubble trying to make a play and missing.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lions did look good...
…Best of luck to you guys this season.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Ya the NFC north is shaping up to be a real tough division...
…But it looks like Schwartz, has got your guys going good.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
I do hope you guys roll the Bears
That would be sweet.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 27, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Haynseworth play? I remember seeing something about him going to play…?
What about ellis..And I assume that Anderson and Carter were manhandled by the Detroit O-Line as well
Haynesworth and Ellis didn't play.
Anderson and Carter were being held relentlessly, but there are holds on every play.
Looked very vanilla, but Arrington is clearly not a starting calibre CB. He was abused.
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