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Pats Pulpit at Training Camp: 8/5 Notes

Sorry for the delay on the notes, the internet connection went down at my hotel (as well as the cable, what am I supposed to do to entertain myself?), but better late than never, right?

  • Julian Edelman impressed yesterday, especially in a fun "over the head" catch drill, where receivers essentially ran blindly and had to locate the ball without turning around.
  • In a drill focused on off-man coverage, and defensive back blitzing, Devin McCourty stood out in both coverage and as a blitzer.  Kyle Arrington also managed a couple of good blitzes, while Edelman showed good blocking.
  • At one point, Deion Branch had a pretty bad drop in a drill that had no defenders - it resulted in him doing push-ups.
  • While the offense improved at times yesterday, the defense had a lot of would be "coverage sacks" in a LB/TE/RB/S drill.  At one point, a team of Jerod Mayo, Rob Ninkovich, Gary Guyton, Brandon Meriweather, and Pat Chung played such good coverage that Mallett didn't even attempt to throw it.
  • Gary Guyton had a particularly nice pass breakup on Will Yeatman.  Yeatman seemingly had secured a Ryan Mallett throw in the flat, before Guyton stepped in and stripped the ball away.
  • Stevan Ridley has had a nice start to camp.  In a pass protection drill, he blew up a blitzing Jeff Tarpinian.  Although at one point, Ridley had a pretty bad drop.
  • Rob Gronkowski dominated red zone drills.  It seems that he and Tom Brady have picked up where they left off last year.
  • Ryan Mallett has one hell of an arm.  At one point, he connected on a beautiful bomb for a touchdown to Jeremy Ross.  Still, Mallett needs to work on his consistency, as he overthrew/misfired on several passes.
More practice notes after the jump!

Star-divide

  • Landon Cohen, in a seven on seven drill, made a really nice would-be stop on BenJarvus Green-Ellis, breaking through the line and holding him up without losing any ground.
  • In a hurry-up drill, Tom Brady had a pretty play action pass to Deion Branch.  Brady bided his time, and eventually found a wide open Deion Branch who would have had a huge gain.
  • Newcomer Mark Anderson showed some flashes as a speed rusher, and made one impressive open field tackle.
  • Rookie tackle Nate Solder got in some time with the first team, and looked impressive in pass protection from what I could tell.
  • Near the end of practice, the team took part in some goal line drills.  The defense looked solid, holding up runners most of the time, although Green-Ellis and Stevan Ridley both found a way to the endzone.  Patrick Chung made a couple of run stuffing plays, teaming up with Tarpinian on one particularly impressive stop on Ridley that resulted in a loss.  Brian Hoyer also found Aaron Hernandez on consecutive touchdowns at one point in the drill.

That's it for now, we'll be back at practice this afternoon so be sure to check back soon!

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Another note

I heard Mark Anderson got absolutely demolished on a run play by Gronk. His knock is suppose to run coverage.

by Chris Kole on Aug 6, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

although to be fair

Gronk was pretty much having his way with everyone

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 6, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This ^ lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has been tremendous in run blocking as well.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

what am I supposed to do to entertain myself?

lol

by frogfromthemud on Aug 6, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Is the offense out of sync, or is the defense just that good?

Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007

by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 6, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably a bit of both

To be fair, I would expect a late camp / no OTAs to have a more pronounced impact on the offense. They’re far more dependent on timing, synchronization, and rapport than the defense. And more so, the playbook is more complex. A good, intelligent defensive player who’s in shape should be up to scratch pretty quickly; an offense needs time together as a unit – with a defense to play against – before they click.

by 108 on Aug 6, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So from i've read so far.

Gronkowski, Edelman, Price and Ridley have all had impressive camps. Each of them were uncertainties coming into camp (besides gronk), and weren’t going to be relied on. And this is in addition to an already prolific offense, that has also added Chad Ochocinco, a second rookie running back and 2 young offensive lineman.

That was wordy as hell, but basically what i’m trying to say is, this offense is going to be ridiculous.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 6, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

As always...

It’ll be interesting to see how they cope with the inevitable injuries. I’m loving he fact they have depth and competition – it could well be that roster-bubble guy now is soon to be a starter (cough, BenJarvus Green-Ellis cough Danny Woodhead cough Julian Edelman).

Having too much talent is a great thing.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 6, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Provided O’Brien does not stray from the running attack and put Brady in the shot gun 70% of the time. The weapons need to be utilized equally, and deception (play action) is a huge piece to this equation.

by OneOpinion on Aug 6, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

An RB tandem of Green-Ellis and Ridley, with Woodhead coming in for passing situations, could be huge for this offense. Pounding the rock like we did last year will open up the passing game big time as well as take some pressure off them in the event that timing isn’t entirely back by the time the season starts.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Aug 6, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm hoping Ridley and Vereen are impressive enough

to allow us to carry 4 rb’s on the roster, instead of 5. So we can use a roster spot elsewhere. It’s the first time we’ve had a running back core this young in a while.

by beantownboy171 on Aug 6, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might happen anyway, if Faulk's on the PUP list

Carry Faulk through 8 weeks, see how he’s doing, and IR him if all is good or activate him if there’s an injury elsewhere. Might be the best of both worlds.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 6, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a grey zone in the middle

Something like the earliest you can activate is 6, the latest you can activate is 8.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 8, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm hoping

I was with you until I heard the Morris interview. He is a team player. And, because he plays ST, I now wish they could keep all six RB’s. I do feel that Faulk and Morris are likely IR candidates (as are most NFL players the way the game is now playeed with such fierce hitting), but both do bring a lot to the PAT’s game, and they are fabulous mentors.

My order of preference:
BJGE
Woodhead
Rookie
Rookie
Faulk
Morris

I also hope that they can play Smith at TE a lot. I feel that the three TE’s are the new PATS. They offer superb OL blocking and they can receive with the best of them. Let’s ask for 20 TD’s between the three TE’s this season.

I hope we see a nice rotation between Welker and Edelman. They both bring a superb game, and I feel reducing Welker’s play count will serve the team better as the playoffs roll around. Plus, Edelman will be that much better.

Branch
Ocho
Price
Tate

This is a solid WR group. It would allow for excellent rotations and three WR sets.

Well done BB and staff. The players that they have assembled in groups is amazing!!!

by OneOpinion on Aug 6, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

6 RBs and 5 WRs means you're losing one or two roster spots elsewhere...

Especially if you’re carrying three QBs to 2010’s 2. That’s 14 offensive skill position guys, which is probably a bit much, especially since you haven’t factored in TEs and O-line yet (which would likely be 3 + 9 or 10).

27 O… eh.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 6, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect BB might want to keep an extra DL or OLB.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we went into the year with only 4 RBs.

by Oughat on Aug 6, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 RB's and 5 WR's

Agreed. Who do you let walk?

Faulk on PUP would be good. Maybe Vereen is a PUP guy with this leg injury. Let him get his reps in practice during those weeks if that’s allowed.

As for WR’s, Branch and Ocho will probably be the starters. Welker and Edelman will hopefully split time in the slot. I’d sure like to see Price and Tate kept to replace Branch and Ocho next year (possibly) or the year after (for certain). That’s 6 WR’s. If that’s feasible, Slater is odd man out.

by OneOpinion on Aug 6, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morris.

Especially since Ridley’s impressing in camp.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 6, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

- Faulk on PUP gives us 6 weeks space
- We go in with 4 RBs: DW, BJGE, SV, and SR
- After six weeks we evaluate wear and tear etc and decide whether to active Faulk or not
- 3 TEs, and try to sneak Yeatman and Maneri (unless Maneri is good enough to be a swing tackle) onto the PS
- WR: WW, DB, CO = locks. Then I say JE, BT, and TP.
- 6 WR, 3 TE, 4 RB with Faulk as a fallback if someone gets hurt
- Issues to consider: Can Vereen return kicks? Punts? Can say Hernandez do the sammy morris role in the kick return team?

by quadruple option on Aug 7, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lee Smith might take Morris's ST reps

He was a ST demon in college, by all accounts. One of his highlight vids is him forcing and recovering a fumble as a coverage man on a punt return.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 7, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except SM’s role is basically the fullback/personal blocker for the returner. Needs a lot of pace, it’s not a wedge role.
Will Lee Smith with a 4.94 40 be able to get outside and hit the coverage guy? I would guess Morris was around 4.6…

by quadruple option on Aug 7, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

No wedge any more as it is

Sammy Morris’s 40 time coming out of college was 4.65. I suspect he’s a lot slower now.

And they’re not likely to run 40 as it is – closer to 10 or 20.

Morris’s 20 time in college was 2.66; his 10 was 1.56.
Smith’s 20 time in college was 2.81; his 10 was 1.68.

Given Morris ran his Combine times 11 years ago, I’d think he’s a lot closer to Smith’s now.

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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 7, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Faulk and Light are on active PUP

They could be back at the start of the season

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 7, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 OL from what I've seen.

Light, Mankins, Koppen, Connolly, Solder
And then Solder, Ohrnberger and another tackle.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 7, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or perhaps another interior guard,

They might throw Solder in if they have to.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 7, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

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