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Quick Take: Patriots 38 Dolphins 24

Tom Brady managed another record breaking performance for the Patriots Monday night in their season opening win against the Miami Dolphins.

Quick-take thoughts from the Patriots 38-24 week one victory over the Dolphins Monday night:

  • Shaky start defensively, before group recovers.  The Patriots got off to a shaky start on the defensive side of the ball, as the Dolphins marched straight down the field for a touchdown.  Gary Guyton, in particular, seemed to struggle in both pass and rush coverage.  The group, however, would recover.  In fact, before playing that "prevent" defense with a big lead in the fourth quarter, the only other touchdown the unit allowed was on a very short drive that started inside the red zone due to a Jared Odrick interception and return off of a tipped pass.
  • Record-setting Night for Tom Brady and Patriots offense.  No, the Patriots weren't perfect on offense.  However, Tom Brady was truly prolific and set a personal career high with 517 yards.  It was a team record and a Monday Night Football Record as well.  Brady also tied an NFL record with a 99 and a 1/2 yard throw to Wes Welker to ice the victory for the Patriots.  Brady was firing on all cylinders - he was making all the throws, all over the field.  Words really can't describe how good his performance was.
  • Consistent Pressure for the Patriots Front Seven.  The Patriots worked nearly entirely out of four man fronts Monday night.  And for the most part, the team was successful in producing a rush.  Dolphins quarterback Chad Henne did an admirable job of sticking in the pocket and making tough throws.  If it hadn't been for that, the Patriots very well may have come up with more than the four sacks they came up with.
  • Patriots Tight Ends Dominate.  If you thought that the Patriots were tight end heavy in 2010, get ready for even more in 2011.  Tight ends Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski were dominating all over the field.  Both of these players are simply match-up nightmares for NFL defenses.  As they showed, they are also a nightmare to cover in the red zone.  As good as these two were in 2010, they look that much improved in 2011.
  • Strong Debuts for Dowling, Haynesworth, Waters, Solder.  The Patriots debuted a flurry of new players this offseason, and aside from Chad Ochocinco, nearly all of them managed to have strong debuts.  Ras-I Dowling, the rookie 2nd round pick, started on the outside and shut down Brandon Marshall when given the chance.  Albert Haynesworth had a couple of nice pressures and also made some plays against the run.  Brian Waters stepped in and played more snaps than anticipated, looking generally solid aside from one false start.  Rookie tackle Nate Solder started in place of Sebastian Vollmer at right tackle, and had a strong debut against Cameron Wake.  Aside from a pair of 2nd quarter plays, Solder really shut down Cameron Wake throughout the night.
  • Dan Koppen Carted Off.  Patriots center Dan Koppen was carted off the field late in the second quarter with an ankle injury.  Koppen has been a very reliable player for the Patriots over his career, and he hasn't missed a game since 2007.  While Dan Connolly stepped in and played a really good game, if Koppen is out for an extended period of time, the Patriots will need to find depth along the interior line.

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Totally.

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by dannijd on Sep 12, 2011 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just to stop by

Good game to the Pats. It’s always a tough loss to a division rival, but I am not embarrassed Miami lost to one of the best teams in the league. In fact, I do see some positive for Miami. I was surprised by how well Henne played tonight and I’m sure our defense won’t be bad this year.

Again, good game to the Pats and I can’t wait until our next meeting.

Let’s hope Koppen makes a speedy recovery. I think the Pats have something going forward with Solder as well. He looked good for most of the game. The Pats will be set in the future with Solder at LT and Vollmer at RT.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 12, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you Phinheads have a lot to look forward to!

The Offense looked REALLY good for the first time in years. I think Daboll is what Henne needed, and I will seriously be surprised if you guys don’t win 9 games this year after that game.

by PieEyedPiper on Sep 12, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I like what they're doing.

I know our D won’t be this bad. Like I posted on the Phinsiders, if Henne plays this season like hd did tonight, we will have a few more wins and a much better offense than last year.

The most disappointing thing about tonight? A GGN poster cheering over Koppen’s injury. Classess. And I’d say that even if a Fin fan did that…

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by Finhead83 on Sep 12, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's GGN, what do you expect?

They think they’re a good team.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

A GGN poster cheering over Koppen’s injury. Classess. And I’d say that even if a Fin fan did that…

And he was called out by everybody else in that thread over it. Don’t turn this into a smack on GGN.

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by John B on Sep 13, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's good he was called out.

I was appalled by that. I know not all Jets posters are like that. There are a few good ones like Bro Namath and others.

As for turning it into a smack on GGN, I’m not attempting that. I was voicing my opinion and I just thought the comment was cheap. I even limited it to “A GGN poster,” indicating a single person. I’d comment just the same if a Phinsider member did that. I’m not going to hide my opinion just because someone may not like it.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies. My comments were directed at ISN’s, “What do you expect?” remark. Should have hit reply to him, not you.

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by John B on Sep 13, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man

Henne really played pretty great tonight. He looks ready to make this a statement year for all his doubters.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Sep 12, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really please with his performance

He plays like that against most teams that don’t have a QB named Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers, we will usually win the game. Our running game could still use a little bit of improvement though.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 12, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilfork and Haynesworth didn't help you guys there

This division is going to be insane in December. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of both AFC wild cards coming from the East.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Sep 13, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And where did Buffalo's performance come from?

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Noooo idea

Might be on KC too. They looked bad in preseason.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Sep 13, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully the Jets' luck turns.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

good game. phins def put up a solid game tonight.

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by 808BostonSportsFan on Sep 13, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with just about everything....

Except that I thought the Pass-Rush was a little bit thin in that Henne too often was able to make a slight adjustment and avoid most of the pressure…..gotta give him credit, he played really well (for Chad Henne) and he did exhibit better than expected pocket presence, I was just hoping for more quality sacks/pressures…hope Cunnigham’s athletic ability will help translate into more pressure when/if he returns at full strength.

I’m always left wondering just how much of the statistical disaster that is the Pats pass-D is due to their willingness to play zone and let teams chip away and eat up clock while the Pats plan to squeeze the offense once they have a shortened field (the Fins 2/14 3rd down efficiency implies I might be on to something)…..I saw good and bad, but believe there’s more upside on D then we saw tonight.

by Panimal4422 on Sep 12, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I think a lot of that was just a 4 man rush.

Then again, I agree with you, when have you ever seen the Steelers/Ravens/Chargers/Etc. give up 400 yards passing? Maybe Henne is THAT much better than before, or maybe our D is still a bend but don’t break? I don’t know, but don’t count out Henne making an improvement, I seem to remember the a young man named Drew Brees that sucked pretty bad for 3 years and then tore it up as well.

by PieEyedPiper on Sep 12, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both

Our D is not the D of the Steelers (Is the Steeler’s D even the Steeler’s D anymore?). However, it is vastly improved. Last year it was at best bend-but-dont-break and at worst non existent. This year at best its complete domination and at worst bend-but-don’t-break.

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by New Century Silver on Sep 12, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say 24 pts is "not breaking."

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by JohnHannahRules on Sep 13, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially when you give them the ball on the 10.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Ravens gave up a ton of yards to the Bills last season. I know what you are saying. Good defenses don’t give up big yards. But even the Packers gave up a lot of yards. Some games its like that. But the Patriots came up with stops when they needed a few. So for this game I’m happy with that. But yes they can play better.

by Patriots12 on Sep 13, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The D will be fine

It was Miami’s first time rolling out their new system. There was really no film on them and if Belichick studied Daboll, he was watching film on the Browns. It’s difficult to gameplan for something you haven’t seen.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 12, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

"He played well for Chad Henne"

Throwing for 400 yards and 2 TDs is well for anyone.

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 12, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

59 yards rushing and a TD isn't too shabby for a QB either.

Too bad I had to trade Peyton Manning for Mark Sanchez in the Phinsider FFL instead of trading him for Henne…

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly made our defense look less than stellar

I expected Henne to be better than advertised, but I was really impressed. That kind of performance is going to win you guys games.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Sep 13, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

We just need a complete game to do that

On O and D

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 13, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Point

So much of what happens on the field is determined by the coaches game-plan and the adjustments made throughout the game and at halftime……it’s the reason we were the best in the game in the early 2000’s….talent, teamwork and coaching…..we’ve struggled in all 3 of these phases since 04’ at different times and without all 3 working in unison/harmony your chances of winning are slim to none (throw in some luck and it really gets tough to win it all).

I think we saw the D get better after that first drive however there were breakdowns in coverage and some ugly plays….I know BB is willing to give up 100 yds rushing to keep a QB from getting into a rhythm (see Giants v. Bills in the SB) and I know he’s willing to let a QB throw dink and dunk and then squeeze him past the 50 yd line when the Pats are leading but there’s no way he’s happy with that performance as a whole….it’s there but it needs some refining.

by Panimal4422 on Sep 12, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Good game guys

If only the Olphins Defense decided to show up.
Henne played great though that is an encouraging sign, but still, our D must play better.

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 12, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry it's a little hard to respond to your screen name.

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by 808BostonSportsFan on Sep 13, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I suppose it’d be better if it was “DirtySanchizeSucksRexyToes456.”

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

we'd welcome him/her with open arms...

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by 808BostonSportsFan on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dont take that much offense to it

Its just a reference to my first email address when I was younger, which was Patssuck123. 456 is the sequel.

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 13, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm totally offended.

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by 808BostonSportsFan on Sep 13, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like!

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by dannijd on Sep 13, 2011 2:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Henne played well. Too bad Brady had his first pick in like what? The last 8 regular season games?

Oh well, at least that’s over. After that, he was possessed to play even better. Classic Brady. Very impressed with Solder. Can’t wait for he and Vollmer to be our bookends at the same time on field. Best wishes to Koppen. Hope he is back sometime this season. He and Cannon. The TE’s looked beastly. As expected though. Dowling was nice. He looks larger than his listed 6’1 198lbs. Great first showing by the rookie.

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by PatNation85 on Sep 13, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Koppen has a broken ankle. So he may be back later in the season. Or should be back later.

by Patriots12 on Sep 13, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a side note...

I’m down in Florida for the day and was watching the game with my father.

He turned to me and said, “Brady is a hell of a QB, isn’t he?” I simply nodded and said, “Yeah, I can’t wait until he retires.”

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

then Mallet steps in and you go – jezus crispes, here we go again

by prioris on Sep 13, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that

I was never as high on him as some were.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a game Pats

If only our D could atleast “slow” Brady lol it would have been closer. But I’m not too upset, we’re not the first team to get scorched by Brady, and we wont be the last. Our offense was a nice surprise for us atleast so let’s see how we rebound.

The silver lining: atleast I started Brady in fantasy (43 points FTW lol)

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by BSerious72 on Sep 13, 2011 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Good decision - Brady does well, fantasy win.

Brady sucks, Fins win.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

wes welker is on pace for

128 Rec 2560 Yds 32 TD – so i would start him

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by freeland1787 on Sep 13, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want Welker to break the receptions records.

23 catches in a game (that’s not going to happen with the other weapons), and 144 catches for the year (this one conceivably could happen).

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I was 50 points behind coming into Monday night. I had Brady +Wes vs his Reggie. The game was well in hand and I was still down by 10. Suddenly with that 1 toss and catch to Wes for 99.5. I was 50 points ahead due to bonuses, and ended up with most points in the league.

On a side note its a wacky QB heavy league with only 6 teams. I’m probably going to dominate this league based on my ‘starters’

Tom Brady QB
Matthew Stafford QB
Philip Rivers QB
Matt Schaub Q/R/W/T
Matt Ryan Q/R/W/T

My other positions are soso except for Welker, Vjax, Tony Gonzales, bears/lions def…and oddly Julio Jones was on the WW and never drafted…

by DrewBled4U on Sep 13, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have both Brady and Welker on one of my two FF teams.

Let’s just say, “I had a nice start to the season …”

I only have Ghost and the Pats D on my other team – it didn’t do quite as well. Sigh …

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by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok let us have atleast one record you greedy bastards lol

Let Brandon’s record stand!

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by BSerious72 on Sep 13, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not your record though!

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by ISN on Sep 14, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

No run with lead?

More of the same BS from O’Brien. We know Brady is great, but these are games you give it to the backs that earn you hard yards and let them run out the game. Maybe even get the rookies some carries. This guy is never going to learn. I predict at least one game this year where the pats are up 14+ in the 4th and lose because he refuses to run the ball.

I’m excited about the win and Brady, Welker and TE’s but the defense gave up way too many big plays – runs and catches. I DID like Ras I-Dowling though. He looked great. Solder played excellent too. That one sack by Wake was on Brady IMO.

Can’t expect a perfect game, so overall the Pats looked good. San Diego will be a tougher challenge.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 13, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

meh.

It wasn’t all that long ago when BB was starting the “run out the clock game” with 8 mins to go in the 4th and it was causing quick 3 and outs. It was a big reason teams were able to come back on us a bunch in 2009.

The way I see it is if the game is within two scores and there is more than 5 mins to go, continue with the regular offense. Less than five minutes, run the ball. You can’t become too predictable too early otherwise you are just handing the ball back to the opposing team. At least they continued to try and win the game.

by Oughat on Sep 13, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wot

Passing to Welker and the tight ends might as well be a run. And both the rookie RBs were hurt.

Brady passes pretty easily for 500 yards and four touchdowns and someone complains that the Pats didn’t run enough, smh.

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 13, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are so many reasons to run

1. Time off the clock
2. Balance
3. Practice. Yes, Practice. With Solder, Waters and Connolly in there it would be nice to get some reps running the ball.
4. Backs were averaging 4.9 ypc
5. Allows play action
6. Throw the guys a bone. They grind out yards early in the game, let them have some fun.
7. Give the defense a breather
8. Why the heck did we sign Mankins to a big deal? Pass protection?

Throwing 3 yard passes that “might as well be runs” is a recipe for playoff exits in my opinion.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 13, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

8 - Yes, that's exactly why he was signed to a big deal.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Other points are all valid.

I doubt we’ll see Brady throwing passes to Welker like the 99.95 yarder if he’s say, 12 for 24 at the time. But if they’re trying to run out the clock, they’re not going play action – no need to look for those 40 yard long balls.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geeze - I hope they ALWAYS throw to Welker in that situation no matter WHAT Brady's day has been like.

The D was playing 8 in the box, clearly ready to bring pressure and try to stuff Brady in the end zone and Welker was looking at man coverage by a guy he had shown the ability to blow past off the line repeatedly.

The moment they saw Benny so close to the line on Welker – WITH NO SAFETY OVER THE TOP – I’ll bet Brady had already made up his mind to throw to Welker. He may have even audibled to it.

With no safety behind the play, that’s actually a VERY safe play because Brady just has to throw it over the defender. If Welker doesn’t get to it, it’s just an incompletion.

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by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brady called that play.

The safety flying in under Welker before he caught it was doing the world’s best Brandon Meriweather impersonation.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

excellent

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by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of agree here.

Passing to the TEs and Welker is only “like a run” if you connect. If the clock stops, you’re aiding and abetting the enemy — that’s why a decent run game is so critical. When you get the ball with 6 minutes left in the game, you should be able to author a 6 minute drive. If you can run the ball well, that’s a piece of cake. There was a time not many years ago when we did that — and won super bowls. We haven’t done it since. It drives me crazy.

The Pats had two late-game possessions last night that amounted to jack. A couple of 3-and-outs IIRC. If you run for three plays and punt, you’ve taken time off the clock or forced the opposition to call TOs. If you pass three and punt, you’ve gift-wrapped them a bonus possession.

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by JohnHannahRules on Sep 13, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greg, you have forgotten to mention...

…Brady can not improvise..and looks weak outside the pocket:P

by frogfromthemud on Sep 13, 2011 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

thats what Brady wants u to think

if he has to he can do it

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by freeland1787 on Sep 13, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Outgained by Henne in rush yards and TDs.

How’s he going to compete with 14/32 Vick?

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

to quote Jon Gruden

“Take that NFL”
Here come the Patriots

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by freeland1787 on Sep 13, 2011 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Guys, guys, guys
14 point game
Let’s not anoint ourselves emperors of football yet

by quadruple option on Sep 13, 2011 12:56 AM EDT reply actions  

last 7 were garbage points

defense played really well and brady-branch is back with welker being the beneficiary of Gronk and Hernandez

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by freeland1787 on Sep 13, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

with welker being the beneficiary of Gronk and Hernandez

i think it’s mutual:)

by frogfromthemud on Sep 13, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't think anyone is anointing...

it’s obvious there are lots to areas to work on, but it was still a good win.

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by 808BostonSportsFan on Sep 13, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

most wins are.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mostly happy with the performance.

Offense was good, but did leave some points on the field. Only allowed 1 sack for -1 yard though.

Defense gave me some scares but bend don’t break always does. Liked when I saw Miami’s Third Down Efficiency (2-14). Then I saw their Fourth Down Efficiency (4-6).

Surprised the Pats had less time of possession (28:27 to 31:33) Not but a lot but still less. They had a lot of quick scores but I like it most when they can slowly go down the field, eating the clock, tiring opposing defenses.

Next week on the road vs. the Chargers and they really scare the bejezzus outta me. It felt like last year’s win was really just them losing. How many times they can shoot themselves in the foot? Hopefully the Pats put up a dominating win to ease my fears.

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by thirteen on Sep 13, 2011 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

cant guarantee that the Chargers will give this one away

so they will have to play extremely well to win next week

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by freeland1787 on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thx.

Guess I read the schedule wrong. I’d still be a nervous wreck but I am every day one of my teams are playing. (except the Warriors…they just make me sigh).

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by thirteen on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your team is freaking sick. Here’s to a Baltimore – New England AFCCG.

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by Mr MaLoR on Sep 13, 2011 1:51 AM EDT reply actions  

No not B-More....

…They have our number..

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by JDot on Sep 13, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Umm ... no.

The Patriots are 6-1 lifetime against the Ravens. The only loss was in that last playoff game two years ago.

Yes it was a bad loss. But that doesn’t mean they ‘have our number’. It was just a single loss.

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by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

They do play us close though.

Must have something to do with (a) Suggs vs Light, (b) Lewis adjusting everything perfectly, © Ed Reed, or (d) they play a lot more man coverages than the Steelers.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree they play us tight.

And we certainly have been damn lucky to win a couple of those.

But that’s a far cry from them ‘having our number’.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They always seem to be just a few plays away from a win.

I’d rather not play them, because it’ll be close.

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by ISN on Sep 14, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell no I want a pats jets rematch. lololol

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by Jack'sAxe on Sep 13, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't.

Means they made another AFCCG.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Greg A. Bedard...
the defense showed some improvement, especially in one big category: third downs. The Dolphins were 2-of-14 (14 percent). That’s a long ways from the league-worst 47 percent the Patriots gave up all of last season.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2011/09/patriots_38_dol_2.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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by JDot on Sep 13, 2011 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

nice.

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by 808BostonSportsFan on Sep 13, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wright injured again? wow

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by PatNation85 on Sep 13, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way wright is injured :O please noo gerard where are u

by alweezy61 on Sep 13, 2011 3:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

About those TE's

In 2010, Gronk and Hernandez combined for 1009 yards. At the current pace, they would eclipse that total in the first half—of Game 6.

If the TE game expands for NE, the cascading effects on the rest of the offense will be outstanding.

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by lone1c on Sep 13, 2011 7:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Two Gronks, although one didn't see the ball.

So Gronkowdez.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not a video I'm going to watch on YouTube.

Maybe I’ll leave that for Kermit, though.

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by lone1c on Sep 13, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Words really can't describe how good his performance was."

How about, “He looked almost as confident and precise as Aaron Rodgers.”

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by JohnHannahRules on Sep 13, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Something to note about the pass defense and Henne's yardage

By my count, according to the NFL gamebook, 181 yards of Henne’s total came in the final 11 minutes of the game following New England’s touchdown to take a 31-17 lead. Obviously, he played well all game. But there was certainly a point in the 2nd and 3rd quarters where the defense was doing a great job of forcing the Dolphins to punt. Their only TDs to that point had come on the opening drive and following the tipped INT.

The team as a whole let up late in the game, which is something a lot of us can’t stand after some epic collapses the past few seasons, and the defense went into something of a prevent mode. What this says, in my opinion, is that the late-game performance was more about mindset than ability. Our guys still had their legs and had shown they could shut down the Dolphins offense. From a fan’s perspective, I want to see the team step it up in the 4th quarter when they’re ahead, because a 3-score lead can slip away quickly when you allow a TD and are faced with another defensive series after an onside kick, etc.

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by JeffyB on Sep 13, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I want them to step on the neck until the body stops twitching.

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by JohnHannahRules on Sep 13, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

This won't make you much happier:

Miami had 13 possessions, including a kneel down to end the first half. So out of 12 real possessions, they mounted 5 drives of more than 60 yards (the others were 31 yards or fewer). Of those 5 long drives, 3 came with less than 9 minutes to play in the game. They accounted for 213 yards but produced only 1 TD (4th down stop a half-yard line and Arrington INT at the end).

Prior to that point, Miami mounted drives of 84 and 87 yards, resulting in a TD and a FG. Their first possession of the second half came off the interception which set up a TD “drive” inside the Patriots’ 10 yard line. 6 of Miami’s first 9 substantive possessions ended in a punt.

What this all means is that if that INT doesn’t happen and our defense doesn’t lay off in the late 4th Quarter, this is a 38-10 game. Miami’s offensive stats came largely in garbage time.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Sep 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, especially after it was 38-17 with 5:44 to go.

Everything after that was just to fill out the clock. I don’t think we ever rushed more than 4 after that and even our ‘coverage’ was like having 4 safeties deep.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great recap!

My only wish would have been a running play at the 3 minute mark (4th qtr) on the 3rd and 1. I think it was around the Miami 39 yard line.

If Miami held, the game clock would have become a factor. Miami would either need to use another time out, or Mesko could have milked it down to where the 2 minute stoppage would have happened following the punt. It’s always worth practicing clock management. That little sequence would have given the punting team a live game scenario to work on this feature.

by OneOpinion on Sep 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

Down by 14 with 11 minutes left doesn’t mean the game is over. It’s not like NE was playing prevent the entire 4th.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Down by 21 with 5:44.

After THAT, it was nothing but prevent by the Pats D.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Miami had 2 possessions after that.

Before 5:44, Miami was down by 14 and had first and goal.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I said elsewhere

at 6:02, it was a 21 point lead (31-10). At 5:44 it was still a 21 point lead (38-17).

After that, it was just Prevent D and stat padding.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

Miami scored their 17th point halfway through the 3rd quarter. The score was never 31-10. New England had a 21-17 lead in the 3rd. New England never held a 3 score lead until the 99-yard TD pass with under 6 minutes left in the game. That put New England up 38-17. You may want to recheck your info.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah crap - you are right

I was mixing up the MIA FG and TD score order.

Still – I know that the Pats D was already in soft coverage well before the 6 minute mark. Barrett’s presence out there for most of that drive is as clear of evidence of that as any.

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by mmmmm on Sep 14, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Guys New Poster Here

Just curious. I missed watched the game and no DVR. How did Matt Slater look? And Dowling?

by RSmitty on Sep 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey, welcome

Slater didn’t see the field much, but he caught a 46 yard pass on the opening drive. Dowling looked pretty good. He got the start at right CB, had a couple rookie moments but overall I think he’s set up to have a solid season.

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by JeffyB on Sep 13, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see the snaps played by player

I had too many people at my house to really watch every play, but I didn’t see Bodden much. I noticed Dowling was making nice plays later in the game. It seemed every pass play was around McCourty. Two of the long Dolphin catches were just amazing catches. Looks like the coverage was fairly tight. That Marshall catch reminded my of the Tyree catch. McCourty was batting at the ball and the guy’s stick-um was just too strong.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 13, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just read that Bodden was on Bess all night

No wonder. I didn’t hear either name much – which is a good thing. Props to Bodden for pretty much taking Bess out of the game.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 13, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bess finished with 5 receptions on 7 targets for 92 yards.

I’m not sure if Bodden was on Bess all night, but if he was, that isn’t shutdown. Bess was not taken out of the game at all.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bess was held to two catches for 37 yards through 3 quarters

Bodden wasn’t on him directly on every play but Bess has killed us in the past so, I think mission accomplished. It’s a testament of how good Bess is when he goes for almost 100 yds and the other team is happy with the result.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 13, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 4th quarter was far from over.

Bess had only one catch after the 99-yard TD, which is the play that effectively ended the game. Heck, Bess scored a TD that was called down at the 1. That would’ve made it a 7 point game with over 6 minutes left. Do you think Brady and Belichick think that is garbage time? Don’t discount his 4th quarter stats other than maybe the 1 reception on the final drive.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we can both skew the timing of stats to make our case

But you can’t seriously think that Bess scored that TD. Every replay showed he was short.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 13, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, he didn't

I was using that to show how close the game was with 6 minutes left.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it really wasn't that close.

It was a 21 point lead with 6:02 to go. Then the teams traded TDs and it was still a 21 point lead with 5:44 to go.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again...

Miami scored their 17th point halfway through the 3rd quarter. The score was never 31-10. New England had a 21-17 lead in the 3rd. New England never held a 3 score lead until the 99-yard TD pass with under 6 minutes left in the game. That put New England up 38-17. You may want to recheck your info.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

conceded above

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 14, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bess only caught 2 passes with Bodden covering him.

One at the end of the 3rd period for 11 yards and the 7yd touchdown with 6:17 to go in the 4th. The lead was 31-10 to that point and, yup, the Patriots were indeed playing soft.

Bess gained 49 of his 92 yards on two catches in garbage time after the Pats had answered with the Welker TD to push the lead back up to 21 (38-17).

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by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say he caught 1 pass for 46 yards in garbage time

I’m not bashing Bodden, but am saying Bess was a factor. Not huge, but he wasn’t shut down.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both of those last two catchers were definitely 'garbage time'.

There is no way you can say that the last 5:44 of play, with a 21 point gap is not garbage time. Well, you could say it, but people might point at you and whisper.

Even the earlier TD pass at 6:17 was arguably within the ‘garbage time’ window.

The Pats D was already playing soft well before those last 3 catches by Bess. They had a 21 pt lead with 11:06 to go. Sure, they weren’t playing soft for the whole 11 minutes. But they’d already started to ease the pedal well before the 6 minute mark and that is what allowed the Phins to move the ball to even get to that TD (which was of course, questionable).

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4702753/offensive-snaps-18-for-ochocinco

I imagine Reiss will have the defensive snaps up at some point in the near future.

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by ISN on Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks.

I gotta figure that Ocho might have played a little bit more if we were not going no-huddle so much. That pretty much demands that every player (especially the skill position players) know every play by heart.

Folks should be patient with him. He should be a lot more productive after around week 4 because that will be sorta the equivalent time of having had an actual off-season to work on this stuff.

Of course- you just KNOW that a lot of talking heads will just fill the air with “What’s wrong with Chad?” and “Ocho is clearly done!” crap until then.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 13, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way, Branch looked great

Even if Chad doesn’t pan out Branch looks good and I think Price and/or Slater could fill in. I prefer to see Price get some reps because he seems to have the talent. Would be nice if he got healthy first.

And congrats to Slater. Hard work pays off and if he can command some attention on deep routes it can only help the underneath stuff.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they all think Ocho is meant to be The Guy.

Rather than another WR. If it was Taylor Price with that catch, everyone would be saying “oh, look at all the options they have on O”, but that’s not the case with Chad because he was it in Cincy.

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by ISN on Sep 14, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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