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New England Patriots Links 9/22/11 - Strength of Depth Will Be Tested Sunday in Buffalo

Bill's rocking a new hoodie.  The neckline hasn't been ripped open yet in frustration.

Tom Brady elaborates on what he is seeing from Buffalo that looks different from last year.

They're playing good; they're playing good football. They went into Kansas City and really gave it to them pretty good. [Kansas City] didn't really do much offensively; I think [Buffalo's] defense really put a lot of pressure on them. They've got a lot of good players over there. They're really big, physical players, athletic at linebacker, good coverage in the secondary. I think playing against them last year in that second game - it wasn't our best performance out there either. We scored points - I think we were the beneficiaries of a lot of turnovers - but we know how good of a defense [they have]. They really match receivers tight. Its tight coverages, tight throws and they can get after the passer too. [Shawne] Merriman's back to his old self and Kyle Williams is one of the best interior guys we face all year. There're a bunch of different challenges. I think they're good in all phases and Buffalo is always a tough place to play. It should be a fun weekend.

Jeff Howe reports Landon Cohen is excited to get another opportunity with the Patriots after the injury to Myron Pryor.

"That's out of my control," Cohen said Wednesday. "The only thing I can do is give it 100 percent of my effort and let the chips fall where they may."

"It feels good," Cohen said. "I'm ready to get started. Big week against Buffalo, and I'm excited for the opportunity."

Erik Scalavino shares his Wednesday practice notes.

Practice players of the past week were rewarded again with black jerseys today (given only after victories). They were quarterback Brian Hoyer and cornerback Antwaun Molden from the active roster, and rookie linebacker Jeff Tarpinian, tight end Garrett Mills, and offensive lineman Matt Kopa from the practice squad.

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Well, the cat is out of the bag

John Lynch figured out how to beat Brady and posted it for the entire world to see. It was a great run guys. It was only a matter of time before we got exposed. 2-14.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 22, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

That SOB!

And he was my favorite veteran acquisition turned retired player all in the same pre-season, too (of course, it’s a small field).

Who knew he could turn on his new old team the Pats like that?

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually didn't think it was a bad article

But he made one massive, glaring mistake: Champ Bailey did NOT return that ’05 playoff INT for a touchdown. He returned it 100 yards and got ripped out of his cleats by Ben Watson at the <1 yard line.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Sep 22, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he got that wrong

And he also left how to pressure him open. It is not a good idea to pressure brady with big blitzs because he will find the open man. If you can do it with three or four people and have everyone else in coverage, you can rattle him. And honestly, how many teams can do that? The Lions, the Ravens?

by Chari on Sep 22, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he did kind of leave that out

It’s like saying: “how to beat New England? Score 50 points!” They conveniently forget that outscoring our offense is pretty hard.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Sep 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the Jets

and any coordinator with the last name “Ryan,” for that matter. It’s a good thing we don’t play the Cowboys this seaso … whoops! :X

I forgot how brutal the schedule was this year. Luckily, the games vs. the Chiefs and Colts at home look a little more reasonable at this stage of the game.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Sep 22, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was mock indignation - nothing more.

I usually like listening to Lynch.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not only did he not score...

but he actually fumbled through the endzone. (The call was missed and there wasn’t a single camera angle that could prove it and at that time you weren’t allowed to use two different angles together to overturn something). I still have trouble believe Watson caught him. That was an athletic play.

Now, I will try to re-forget that game. Thanks for stirring up bad memories.

True wealth is a shelf full of unread books.

by Hometown Gyro on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the Pats though

that category isn’t really “that” small. Joe Panos and Torry Holt are there as well, pretty sure there are a couple more.

by AverageJoeEveryman on Sep 22, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

Small but not negligible

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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Buffalo Rumblings writer already figured it out

and posted what the Bills have to do win in six simple steps. As the saying goes, it may be simple but it’s not easy.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Six?

It’s just one:

Score more points.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon

Next you’ll be saying the only stat that matters is wins & losses.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um, no, because you said it so well, and I can't add a thing.

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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

gawd - that's TWO stats!

Geezus – why do you stat nerds have to make this SO hard??

Man, my head hurts …

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 22, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha you're right

My degree is in accounting too, lol

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 22, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeesh! I wasn't any good at math, so I went into engineering instead.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

by PatNation85 on Sep 22, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Madden Quote? ;)

“Now Al, what the Bills want to do here is to try and score more points than the Patriots. Only then do they stand a chance against Brady and Belichick.”

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Sep 22, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stating the obvious

The writer from Buffalo Rumblings has some good points, the only thing is that every NFL analyst is saying the same thing. Everyone knows if you hit Brady early and can disrupt him you have a chance, but its a lot easier to talk about than actually executing it. I hope BGE gets more opportunities to run in this game, keep that pass rush honest.

by pats713 on Sep 22, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

He usually carves them whenever he plays against them.

In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

by PatNation85 on Sep 22, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You left out "Jarvis"

…just sayin’

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by Hometown Gyro on Sep 22, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

disrupting doesn’t just mean brady but all his receivers

by prioris on Sep 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beating The Patriots

Here’s how you slow them down: Other than Chad, there are no flat-out burners that scare you or can beat you over the top. So you have to get your hands on them early and rough them up at the line of scrimmage. You have to disrupt the timing of their offense.

Once you disrupt their timing, you disrupt their rhythm. And have I mentioned this? You have to keep banging on Brady.

Another important key: You have to tackle. You know Tom Brady is going to complete balls. I can’t stress this enough. You have to tackle well.

You can’t allow yards after the catch. You can’t let guys like Gronkowski, Branch and Welker take a little gainer and turn it into a big one.
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I think this it was good analysis on a nutshell.

It’s plain and simple. Either the Patriots learn to adapt and counter such a strategy or they will have major barriers to winning Superbowl.

I hope that more teams try to disrupt the Patriots so they can be better adapted to play against such tactics when in more critical games.

I think that is what the NYJ did to beat Patriots in playoffs.

PS
Maybe Taylor Price has enough speed to beat them over top and take it deep.

by prioris on Sep 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It's an over-simplified analysis that doesn't really help.

How do you bang and disrupt Gronkowski off the line?

Woodhead is far faster than any linebacker who might cover him. He may not be a ‘flat-out burner’ in the Randy Moss WR mold, but relative to any LB that covers him, he will indeed beat him over the top, especially on the all important first 3 steps after the hit which is into the gap in coverage unless you bring the safeties up – but then you suddenly make our WRs look faster.

And finally, it is only a matter of time before Ocho and maybe Price DO get more involved in this offense. And then you WILL have to worry about the flat-out burners in addition to all the possession guys.

I do agree with the ‘you have to tackle’.

There is no magic formula for beating the Patriots. It’s the same formula that you use to beat any team. Out-execute them. Beat Brady’s protection and bring pressure – That’s not a magic formula – that’s something you have to DO.

The Jets beat the Patriots last year because the Patriots executed poorly on several key plays (in particular Brady’s interception and Alge’s drop) and the Jets executed better on a few other key plays.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

>How do you bang and disrupt Gronkowski off the line?

lots of chip blocks as he is going out. that will effect timing and throws from brady.

you do it to all the receivers …

by prioris on Sep 22, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

there probably aren’t that many teams that can execute it. with two lock down corners, it improves their odds of executing it

by prioris on Sep 23, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Chung now too. Weez are hurtinz realz bad :(

Almost dare to say that we need Merriweather right now(can’t do it), but dang Sanders would be a huge help. We homer Simpsoned that one. :(

by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 22, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Ouch. That's going to hurt.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pats just signed Jeff Tarpinian to the 53-man roster

from the practice squad and released A.J. Edds, who played 10 snaps against the Chargers.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 22, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Tarpinian really good?

Seems like the Pats are very determined to keep him on the team.

by vettel on Sep 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

College Bio

Here

47 tackles in 8 games, I think I like him….2005 highschool gatorade playa of the year!

by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the hybrid SS/LB stuff that Harrison did.

IF he can cover.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coverage is his specialty.

He came to Iowa originally intending to be a defensive back (he was a 6’ 2", 195lb running back in H.S.) but put on weight (235 now) and converted to linebacker. But he was key on Iowa’s coverage units.

As far as speed goes, his 40 times were clocked between 4.48-4.55s and perhaps more importantly his 20yd shuttle agility times were between 3.85-4.15s.

So he may have the ability to do this role, though how soon he can come up t o speed – who knows?

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 22, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he sounds awesome and his history dictates a great Patriot player possibility.

I am really liking what I’ve read and love his mentality. He’s not a quitter!

by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 22, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is from Ken Rogers..

..who is the editor of “A football life”

As tough of a season as it was for me, Mike, and Chris, all three of us would do it again in a second. And in the end, what we experienced was much easier than what NFL owners, coaches and players go through on a yearly basis. I’m amazed at the stamina these guys have. We’re talking 16-18 hour days for months on end. During filming, I got to know some key players in the Patriots organization who work those long hours Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and their VP of Media Relations, Stacey James.

(italics and bolds mine)

by frogfromthemud on Sep 22, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Outstanding

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Insane. If you can’t get it done in <16 hours a day you aren’t efficient
Zhukov, Rommel, and Patton didn’t work 16 hour days, and they achieved a lot more than Belichick.

by quadruple option on Sep 23, 2011 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

53 dudes vs. 53,000

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 23, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Zhukov, Rommel, and Patton didn’t work 16 hour days,”

It is so great to hear this from somebody who was there.;)

by frogfromthemud on Sep 23, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry. Quad - you usually have some awesome zingers.

But comparing the conduct of an actual war, one of the most wide-ranging calamities in world history, with the conduct of an NFL team …

Dumbest, unnecessary post of the week.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 23, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

...and got to him.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 23, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

and +1 for what you said.

Brady is clearly as vested as Bellichick is.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 23, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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