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Perspective on Brian Waters Signing From Arrowhead Pride's Joel Thorman

WASHINGTON, DC - MARCH 08: Kansas City Chiefs player Brian Waters leaves negotiations at the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service building March 8, 2011 in Washington, DC. Representatives from the National Football League (NFL) and National Football League Players' Association (NFLPA) continue to negotiate a collective bargaining agreement between players and owners.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

To gain more perspective on the Brian Waters signing, I recently posed a few questions to Joel Thorman of SB Nation's Kansas City Chiefs blog, Arrowhead Pride.  Here's what Joel had to say:

What was the reaction among Kansas City fans when the news initially hit about Brian Waters' release?

We were fairly surprised but, in hindsight, maybe we shouldn't have been. The backup to Waters, Jon Asamoah, is ready to play now. The Chiefs are very confident in him so, in hindsight, the moves makes sense. But, at the time, we were pretty surprised.

What level of play can Patriots fans expect from Waters at this point in his career? Does he have anything left in the tank?

Yeah, he has something left. He earned a Pro Bowl last year and, while I think that was partly reputation, he's an average to above average guard at this point. I'd expect a decent, non-Pro Bowl, season from him if he's healthy.

The Patriots have struggled recently when it comes to interior pass protection, especially against bigger / more powerful defensive tackles. As someone who's covered the Chiefs for years and has seen the ups and the downs of Brian Waters, what could Waters offer in this area? What are his biggest strengths and weaknesses?

He's a really good pass blocker and I don't think he'll drop off too much there. He does struggle a bit in run blocking, particularly against bigger defensive lines. But he's solid in pass blocking.

The Chiefs and the Patriots have a lot of similarities when it comes to their systems, personnel, and management. That being said, what's your opinion of Brian Waters landing in New England - good fit or bad fit?

Good fit. Waters fits the mold there and, despite a rough start with Scott Pioli and the Chiefs, I think he fit in well with the culture the Chiefs were trying to create. The Patriots have a similar philosophy so I think on a short-term deal, Waters brings a lot of value and experience to the team.

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Good stuff.

We needed interior line depth. And Waters at the least will provide quality depth. And depending on what he has left in the tank he could also be an above average to good starter at RG.

by UtopianAverage on Sep 5, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Seeing Waters wear #54 is going to be odd

because our most recent #54 is a bit of a legend in the New England area…

It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.

by BigRussNovak on Sep 5, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't believe he'l be wearing #54

No disrespect to Brian Waters but Bruschi was the face of the Patriot Way and what the organization has been all about, he’s one of my favorite players ever. I know the Patriots don’t tend to retire numbers, but IMHO, if there was a number to be honored that would be it. Even over Bledsoes’s #11.
Heck, even Belichick called him “the perfect player” and he’s a robot haha

Back to the thread, that’s good stuff by Joel, thanks.

by Lucas Freitas on Sep 6, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

#54

It’s the one number that no matter what, when, or where, always get a big BRUSCHI

by vkambull on Sep 5, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

that means we expect waters to kick

NY Jets @$$E$- #54 is reserved for doing just that

Trevor Bauer: 14-4, 2.00 ERA, 162 IP, 246 K in UCLA, Visalia (Hi-A), and Mobile (AA)

by freeland1787 on Sep 5, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda reminds me of mike compton.

by McGarry on Sep 5, 2011 5:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Really good information

Nice to hear about this guy and his potential from the local source. If he can help keep Brady upright on 3rd down (passing) situations he sounds like a good pickup.

by PatsFan13 on Sep 5, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah he'll be solid in pass blocking

According to Pro Football Reference, he was a top 10 pass blocker. Struggled against big defensive lines, as did the rest of the Chiefs offense (see the end of the Chiefs season with losses against Oakland Baltimore).

But picking up a guy like this the first week of Sept.? Nice signing.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 5, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Comedic.Sans on Sep 6, 2011 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say take him back

Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)

by Chris Kole on Sep 6, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Brady agrees...

He said he’d welcome Randy back “with open arms” on WEEI this morning.

This makes me wonder if, despite all the happy talk about Ocho, if there really isn’t something deeply wrong there. Maybe Brady was just answering the question as honestly as he could, but he usually makes a greater effort to deflect that kind of question.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Sep 6, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah thats seemed like an honest answer

remember Moss and Brady were good friends and a great duo on the field, I would be surprised if he said he didn’t want Randy back.

Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)

by Chris Kole on Sep 6, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

and since Brady’s answer won’t affect anything, why wouldn’t he keep it positive? Any other answer would only make headlines and cause a distraction anyway.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 6, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 6, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem i have with this, and everyone knows how much i love the player that is Moss, but as we are all well aware,

WR’s are insecure divas. And with something like this being said, how will Ocho feel about it? It may come across as, “Wow he really isn’t happy with my production thus far.” Interesting how just an innocent comment can but hopefully won’t affect Chads resolve.

In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

by PatNation85 on Sep 6, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

My predicition is that Brady's comments will have zero effect on anything

other than to somewhat bother & undermine guys like Felger who continue to insist (without any firm evidence) on the “Moss == bad guy” crap.

Ocho is a big boy who’s going to be fine. Give him 3-4 more weeks to finally get caught up with our complex offensive system and he’ll start to take off.

In Fantasy leagues – if someone takes him early, be prepared for them to trade him cheap after he fails to put up big numbers the first 2-3 weeks (Brady will probably use Welker and Hernandez the most in the early going). Ocho should be worth picking up as a sleeper for cheap or with a late draft pick if others pass on him.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 6, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank God

I stayed away from Manning. I was thinking about taken, 5th Overall, but I chose Brady instead (Homer). Such a wise decision. P. Manning might miss the entire season.

Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)

by Chris Kole on Sep 6, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am really hoping he's back by week 4 or 5. Get himself in groove for our contest against him.

In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

by PatNation85 on Sep 6, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

People need to not over look the Colts just because Manning may be out for a while.

Collins is no where near the field general Manning is, but can still fling it and he’ll have a lot of very good receivers to throw to (Clark, Wayne, Garcon, Collie, etc.).

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming Pey-Pey is back for the Pats game, then no-one is going to be pencilling that down as a win.

I think everyone outside of Ohio would need to bomb out to lose.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Sep 7, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know what ya mean, but our team is just better. I think we wipe the floor with em.

In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Lewis Hamilton~ 2011 F1 Champion!!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.

by PatNation85 on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

So do I.

But Pey-Pey, if healthy, turns it into a game.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Sep 7, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

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