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Hello folks! Bronco Mike is here to stay....at least for the week! I'm a member over at MHR and would like to extend my hand in a sincere gesture of congratulations on being #1 in the AFC in the regular season. I'd also like to have some good football talk here this week so let's get to it.

Last time we played, three 2nd Q turnovers led to a meltdown from a 16-7 lead to a 27-16 halftime deficit. From there the Pats never looked back on route to a 41-23 victory. Final score aside, many Broncos fans felt like we made many mistakes and put ourselves out of that game. That's not taking credit away from the Pats, good teams capitalize on mistakes, let's just say the game shouldn't have been as lopsided as the final total.

This week many interesting things are in play. The greatest being a memorable Broncos victory on the first play of OT against the 12-4 Pittsburgh Steelers. This marked our first playoff victory and our first home playoff victory since '05.....I'm sure you folks remember the last time it happened;)

The next big thing as far as the media is concerned is the recent signing of Josh McDaniels. Now let me put this issue to rest right now. I personally, along with many other Broncos fans could care less. The dude got fired last year and wasn't a part of our offensive planning and transformation this year. So for those in the media that are crying "ho-hum" over this move, I ask why? While he may be familiar with some of our personnel, he also failed miserably at putting those guys in consistent positions to succeed. I may be in the minority, but I also applaud the way he refused to put up with the bad antics and lack of leadership from players such as Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler. He is also responsible for many of the guys we have contributing in a big way now. So personally, I don't have an axe to grind with the guy---we are in a different and better place now and need not look at that heaping pile in our team's history, and I don't really think that the guy can help give Hoodie Sr. anything new that he wouldn't be able to see himself.

So with that out of the way here are some questions to begin:

1) Looking back at the first meeting, we absolutely gouged your defense on the ground in the 1st Q, but were slowed down after that. It was mentioned that the Pats switched to a 3-man front after starting off in a 4-3 base. For those of you that are film savvy and analyze those things, what did you see? Why were the Pats able to slow down the Broncos rushing attack?

2) The Pats spread out into a lot of 4-5 WR sets, which made Dennis Allen counter with 3-man rushes, nullifying our pass rush. When we did blitz, Brady hit the hot route for some big chunks. Although our corners did well on Welker and Gronk for most of the game, there were still large gains to be had from Hernandez and even a TD by 85. Which defenses have given the Pats the most difficulty this year and why?

3) Your team is aided health-wise by a bye week. Who's coming back to action and who's still hurting?

4) What are your thoughts about keys to the game from The Patriots point of view?

5) Is your fanbase taking this game lightly or do you guys feel mostly respectful of the matchup our Broncos present?

6) Is it pronounced Chowduh or Shoudair? Hehe

Let's all have some good football talk, some great laughs, and even some light-hearted smack talk this week! I look forward to the visit my East Coast friends! Please remember to Rec this thing so it's easy to find!

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What will be the final score this week?
Broncos 14 Patriots 13
7 votes
Broncos 21 Patriots 17
22 votes
Broncos 31 Patriots 30
55 votes
Broncos 27 Patriots 14
32 votes
Broncos 10 Patriots 0
25 votes

141 votes | Poll has closed

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To go through your list, this is how I see it:

1) I’m not sure how the 3-4 defensive adjustment help, however what did help us against the Broncos option was the concept of simply hitting the pitch man. What makes the option successful is lack of decision on the defensive side, however when the defense knows who is going to get hit, even if the pitch man gets it off before getting hit, there’s a guy already on the move for the runner with the ball instead of not knowing whether the pitch man isgoing to keep it or not.

2) So far the only defense to beat the Patriots on their terms was the Steelers (whereas the other losses were due to our defenses inability to keep our offense with the last scoring possession). They did that with tight man-to-man coverage. Unfortunately for the Broncos, that won’t work. For one reason, the Pats should be prepared for that, and for another reason, there are too many mismatches between the Pats and Broncos, with the Broncos being on the short end of the stick. Hernandez was productive because Gronk was being double teamed.

3) I can’t say I know much, but I think Brandon Spikes should be returning, and he should help with the run stopping. Maybe some O-linemen of ours can get healthy as well.

4) Keys for the Pats are: 1) Start fast, start strong, start productive, and end the same offensively, 2) the defense needs to remain opportunistic as it has all year because not only are they 15th in the league (virtually 14th given the difference) in pts allowed, but I believe the are 3rd in takeaways, 3) respect Tebow and the Broncos

5) I would say that between Belichick, his team and the fans, the fans probably respect the Broncos the least, but that’s not to say there is no respect or even just a little. Of course Bill and his team give the Broncos 100% respect, especially considering what’s at stake, but as fans we probably have a good 70% respect (that’s just a shot in the dark, but I feel it’s accurate). Since we’re biased and the rest of the country see the Patriots body of work defining them as better team, we do think the Pats are inherently better and should win, but of course we know that’s exactly what the Broncos and their fans want and we know y’all are dangerous.

6) Don’t ask me! I’m a Texas boy and all I know is my mother’s family calls trash “rubbish” and dinner “supper” ;)

by Noah Lot on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

it's chowdah!

i appreciated the Simpsons reference, Bronco Mike!

by ill! on Jan 10, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I loved that episode

I have several friends that are native to Boston and they’ve always appreciated my Chowduh reference as well;)

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Your poll has some typos in it.
  1. It’s “CHOW-dah.” Which is why you should be very careful about raving about the Lebanese restaurant that offers free hookahs with dinner when you’re in Boston.
  1. The best way to get Brady rattled is to hit him hard a few times early on, and be able to generate pressure with four or fewer rushers. More than that, and he has time to hit an open Welker or GRONK and you’re hosed.
  1. I think the better success with the 3-4 comes because most of the players are more suited to a 3-4 scheme than to a 4-3. The 4-3 met its demise when Carter went down; it seemed to be in place to get maximal benefit out of him.
  1. The Pats’ key to the game is making sure Ninkovich gets his 30-yard sack of Tebow on the first Broncos play from scrimmage, and the second, and the third, and. . . .

But more seriously, if they can keep Tebow in the pocket, much of Tebow’s magic is gone.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Jan 10, 2012 2:44 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Wow. Numbering fail.

The automatic system needs some work, apparently.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Jan 10, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That seems to be the knock against all great QB's----hit em hard and they make mistakes

Going back to last game, I have no idea how Tom held onto the ball when Dumervil absolutely destroyed him.

With Carter now gone, how did your pass rush suffer?

The Steelers tried to keep him in the pocket but also got no pressure. He wasn’t sacked once. Unlike other defenses that gave us issues though, they were over-aggressive and our OC Mike McCoy used Polamalu’s aggressiveness against him. Besides a few great plays he made in the running game, he was largely MIA.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

TFB is TFB

He’s been so good for so long that he can make amazing plays seem almost routine.

I think that Ninkovich and Fletcher have picked up a lot of the load on the rushes since Carter went down. Although sacks seem to be a bit down overall, I think the pressure is still getting there. (See: the mega-sack at the end of the first Broncos-Patriots game.)

As I mentioned downthread, I’m concerned about the play-action a bit with Spikes because he’ll need to be reminded not to bite on the play-action. Last year he was bad about that. A bit better this year, but I hope the coaches in Foxborough are showing him this week an endless loop of Polumalu’s “highlight” reel from Sunday.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Jan 10, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions  

He must have had been using hexadeciamal notation using app system32_calc.exe to get those poll numbers

Seriously,

Appreciate the gratitude Bronco Mike, although congrats aren’t in order until we have walked out of INDY with the pinkie ring. The pinkie ring is the 4th SB ring that will be placed on TB’s golden hand sometime this year! :)

by Yardpenalty.com on Jan 11, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon hexadecimal isn't hard to understand - you don't need a calculator.

It’s just base 16, but we don’t have 16 numerical symbols defined, so they just use A-F for 10-15.

I like hex because then I’m only 30.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel like McDaniel's knowledge of the Broncos personnel...

…is as useful as his knowledge of all the potential playoff opponents. He’s spent plenty of time researching the strengths and weaknesses of both the players and the opponents. However, when it comes to putting it into action, he only figured out the “how not to do it” portion. Still has to figure out “how to do it” and that’s where he’s at square one.

Should be a good game!

by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 AM EST reply actions  

That was always a knock on him in Denver

For as much a student of the game he is, whatever knowledge he preened from it was not very useful on the field….save for making Kyle Orton better than average at times. I agree, win or lose Saturday, I would love for both teams to play some hard-nosed, hard-hitting, exciting football! It goes that way, it plays into the Broncos’ strengths.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 4:07 AM EST up reply actions  

My impression of why McD failed as a head coach was...

… because he was a jerk as a leader. Yelling, my way or the highway, getting rid of popular players or personnel. After a while, people did not want to do it for him. Someone last season said it was like the wicked witch had died in Oz.

As an assistant coach, McD’s lack of people skills won’t affect him because he doesn’t have the authority. If he ever wants to be succesful as a head coach, he needs a lesson in humility.

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Jan 11, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

McD is not a leader of men. It looked like he tried to be a more animated version of Belichick but turned out as a petulant jerk.

by dudebro on Jan 11, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Many coaches have failed in their first attempts at a head gig.

Look at Bill in Cleveland.

It means absolutely nothing.

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 12, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

1+

Learn from your mistakes

by Timberg193 on Jan 12, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, Belichick was “too Belichick” in his Cleveland days.

by tossin on Jan 13, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think his insight will have a degree of success in the schematics of the play calling.

We all know what the Broncos are capable of and how they run their offense with or without McD. The personnel insight might be what helps us. Gruden killed the Raiders in the SB when HC@TB. Is he taking over BOB’s job immediately or having equal authority, no. He wont have any say IMO at this point. Just insight. He’s our Chad Johnson in the coaching dept. Love you 85 :) Not trying to downplay DEN cuz I have to admit I’ve been rooting for Teeebow all year, but there comes a time when TB/BB/and co. has had enough losing in the playoffs for one lifetime that he shows us all why he was once the underdog and won the hearts of many over. His journey was quite remarkable too.

by Yardpenalty.com on Jan 11, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And for your Qs:

1) Well, the Patriots were just completely outexecuted in the 1st. The Broncos weren’t doing anything fancy, but were completely manhandling the Patriots defenders and throwing them out of position. I don’t think the Patriots were ready for such a physical match-up and needed time to adjust. The loss of Andre Carter pushed the Patriots back to the 3-4 defense and it helped the team settle down as the linebackers were able to do a better job of containing the Broncos. Setting the outside edges with the 3-4 DEs means that the running lanes funnel to the middle, between the tackles, and the Patriots’ strength is their inside linebackers.

2) The Giants were the most difficult defense that the Patriots faced (outside the Steelers, but that came was just bad). The key to stopping Brady is getting consistent pressure with a 4 man rush and dropping the rest into varying man cover schemes. Don’t play zone because Brady can eat that coverage live.

3) The Patriots benefit greatly with the bye week. Here’s a list of those who have returned or healed since Week 15:

Key D:
S Pat Chung – Patriots best run stopping safety (and really only good safety)
LB Brandon Spikes – Spikes is the Patriots best run stopping linebacker.
LB Dane Fletcher – Yes, he played against the Broncos. He was also rusty. He’s since been a much better defender.

Key O:
WR Deion Branch – Brady’s safety blanket; didn’t play against the Broncos.
G Logan Mankins – Mankins has been resting up after injuring himself Week 16.

4) Discipline. Patriots can’t afford to bite on the play action pass. They also need to attack the seams with the tight ends and spread the ball.

5) I think everyone is tired of being one-and-done in the playoffs so everyone understands the gravity of the game. Any given Sunday and the Broncos victory over the Steelers definitely proved that true.

6) Chowdah.

by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thoughts on your thoughts
  1. Welker is Brady’s security blanket. Branch is Brady’s “freaky mind-meld” partner. GRONK is Brady’s red-zone weapon.
  2. Not biting on play-action will require superhuman effort from Spikes. He bites almost as hard as Polumalu did the other day.
  3. Who will be the primary spy on Tebow? Or will they split up the duties?

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

1. You forgot Hernandez.

2. Spikes might as well just go for the run. He’s not great in pass coverage anyway.

3. My guess is Mayo/Chung.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a very healthy Pats team coming into the game

I figured the Steelers WR’s would give us a hard time. Though the moved the ball at times, they were also a victim of key drops and an hurting Big Ben. Robert Ayers sacked him early on in the game and after that (until late in the 2nd half) he was very errant with throws and made some bad decisions.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Today marks the first time all season...

…that the Patriots had full attendance at practice. No one is sitting.

by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

McDaniels has healing hands....

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 10, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about a victory?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"

by freeland1787 on Jan 11, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Conspiracy theory in full swing.

No, seriously.

You’re not going to convince me guys miraculously got healthy. Bill has been keeping guys out for weeks to get ready for the playoffs.

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 12, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I know this is a common complaint from N.E. opponents and fans alike

Brady seems to get an inordinate amount of roughing penalties from pretty clean hits. On our side, though a bunk penalty was called on a Harrison hit on Tebow, he was mugged and facemasked several times with no calls.

As Patriot fans, do you think that the protection of Brady by the officials is justified or a case of lucky calls?

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 4:12 AM EST reply actions  

That's the thing—He doesn't get a lot of calls

And at least not relative to other QB’s, nor does he whine and scream about it any more than other QB’s. He’s not a complainer à la “Big Ben” (who could be renamed “Big Baby”). Typically, at the end of the season, we finally get a rundown on all the injuries Brady was playing through during the season.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Jan 10, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I can think of two calls this year that have been really bad.

And they’ve both been in the last 3 weeks. Other than that, I really don’t think he’s gotten many roughing the passer penalties, certainly not ones that aren’t merited. Anytime anything happens with Brady, it gets blown out of proportion, so it seems worse than it is.

Of course, maybe I’m just biased. I’m sure the stats are out there…

by CanadianPatriotsFan on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

He really doesn't

That’s a total fabrication by the media. Every now and again you’ll see a questionable RTP penalty, but this is across the board for every NFL QB. The rules are tailored to protect each one to an pretty unbelievable degree. I’ve seen more RTP calls against our defense on other QBs than on Brady this year, honestly.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a myth

Brady will take whatever free yards the refs want to give them, but he does not get an inordinate amount of roughing calls.

Former VP of officiating, Mike Perierra wrote a column about this after Michael Vick complained that he never got the calls other quarterbacks got. He was wrong in a big way. The list was surprising as Tom Brady was 30th out of 36 and Michael Vick was 9th. Here’s the link.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post of the link to that data...

Funny…that will be the end of this part of the thread. After you provide the stats to demolish that fallacy, everyone just moves on. Nobody ever comes back and says “Gee…I guess the perception is wrong!”

by arelshroom on Jan 11, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Brady is actually towards the bottom of the league in RTP penalties per 100 passing attempts.

Here is a chart that shows the amount of RTP penalties per 100 attempts. The chart is a bit dated, but it encompasses the 2010 season and the first three weeks of the 2011 season. So, 19 games worth of data should be sufficient. If anyone can find an updated chart, it would be much appreciated! Here’s hoping no stupid refereeing blows the game for either team this week (much like the non-fumble/fumble call almost blew the game for you guys the other day.)

It matters not how strait the gate, nor charged with punishments the scroll:
I am the Master of my fate. I am the Captain of my soul.

by BigRussNovak on Jan 10, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Injuries on our side

The most serious last week was to WR Eric Decker. Though it isn’t as bad as it looked, he is likely out for this game. We are also missing starting RG Chris Kuper who had one of the nastiest injuries I’ve ever seen. Last week his replacement (a guy you should know) Russ Hochstein filled in admirably and played very well.

I realize the Steelers defense honed in on our running game, but it still didn’t seem the same without Kuper.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 4:15 AM EST reply actions  

How much of a distraction to your team when O'Brien was hired at Penn State?

I have theories on why McDaniels was hired when he was. My thought is that the offense he last ran with N.E. in ‘07 and the one being run now with a huge emphasis on the TE’s in the passing game is really not one of his strengths. Would it be fair to say that BB got him now in order to ‘catch him up’ on some of the different intricacies of the NE offense since his departure?

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 4:19 AM EST reply actions  

Pretty much...

…as opposed to screwing over the Broncos, which some of your fellow fans seems to think is McDaniels’s only goal in life.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't give the guy much credit

He was 11-18 in two years here, then he goes to St. Louis with a young stud QB that was the rookie of the year, Stephen Jackson, and had the worst offense in the league. Injuries didn’t help no doubt, but the fact remains that since leaving the Pats, McDaniels has helped his teams to a combined 13-32 record.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s fine. It’s less about giving McDaniels respect and more about how everyone seems to be criticizing the Pats, which is especially ironic considering the Broncos did it 20 years ago with Shanahan.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll just put it out on the line right now

I don’t agree with the opinions being written in the Denver Post about this situation. The unfortunate thing about Spygate is that anytime the Patriots do something in regards to coaches or players, even if it’s within the rules, people are going to complain.

But I have no problem with them going and getting McDaniels. It’s being blown way out of proportion.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But even Spygate was blown out of proportion

If you want to call it what the actual crime is, it’d be “Wrong Location Gate.” When you put it like that, it’s not as impressive, is it?

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Jan 11, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

As time goes on

It looks more and more like the success of this team is strictly due to the play of Tom Brady and the leadership of Hoodie. Whenever coordinators come and go, is it fair to say that it is business as usual for the Patriots? In other words, the people that leave had less to do with the success of the team than the people I mentioned. What are Patriots fans thoughts’ about this?

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 4:21 AM EST reply actions  

The Cassel year showed that there's a difference

But it’s more the complete system. The idea is to truly build “defense in depth”: the more players you have who are capable of filling a given role, the less likely any one loss is to be catastrophic. That’s why the drop from Brady to Cassel changed the team from a potentially 14-2 or 15-1 squad into an 11-5 squad.

You need everybody: the coaches who buy into the system teach the players their responsibilities. And it’s everybody’s job to execute to the best of their ability on game day. The mantra “just do your job” isn’t empty rhetoric.

Fenway: "An alternate and better universe, disguised as a ballpark." --Thomas Boswell

by lone1c on Jan 10, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

and the team has to have players that buy into that team-first mentality

otherwise Branch and Ocho would be complaining their brains out that they’re not getting as much action as they deserve or they stop blocking for each other and the RBs when their number isn’t called. Otherwise you end up with a collection of talent and no team, a la the Eagles or Jets this year.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jan 10, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what I liked about McDaniels, he wanted team-first guys

His problem with us is that his mood swings and antics alienated veteran players and leadership. Though Champ is a classy guy and really won’t say anything bad about McDaniels, when he left, he said something like “I knew when McDaniels left things were going to be different around here”. I think that speaks volumes on how the players respected him.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

When you're successful for so long.

Other teams want the guys in your system. This is why there’s been such a turnover.

I don’t think I’d go as far as saying those guys have “less to do with the success” and I think the constant changing environment does hurt the team, but it’s just the way it is. Obviously, Bill and Tom make the adjustments and new guys come in to help, and they continue to be successful.

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 12, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget the turnovers...

…The Broncos had an entire half to win the game. An 11-point lead is not insurmountable in the least. I keep hearing Broncos fans chirping about that first quarter, but there’s a reason why they weren’t able to score again until the game was in hand.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The biggest failure of the 2nd half was

not getting a score on our first possession. We do that and the score is either 27-19 or 27-23. The Pats’ defense no doubt held us in check. But that 2nd quarter was more than just an 11-point lead, it was a huge change in momentum.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

I’m the last guy who thinks the scenario you mentioned will play out. All I meant with the turnover discussion was that the game would have been a lot closer without them…you could probably say that about anygame where a team is -3 in the turnover battle. In the end it’s a discussion of woulda coulda shoulda. Bottom line is we did turn the ball over, the Patriots turned them into points, and won the game 41-23.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm.

1) I think the defense stepped up for Andre Carter. He went down and the momentum of the game began to turn in New England’s favor. Pats switched to a 3-4 because Andre Carter was the main reason for a base 4-3.

2) Big dime packages where effective man coverage is used to shut down Brady’s receivers. It worked for the Steelers, Giants, and the Jets in last year’s divisional round. Pats more loaded up in run game now.

3) SS Chung, LB Spikes, LB Fletcher, and WR Branch. Mankins might be out.

4) Discipline is key to a Pat’s win. Be consistent, don’t get greedy like LeBeau did, and take care of the football.

5) Some are taking this game lightly if only because the Steelers we saw in week 7 were pretty scary.

6) Why talk chowder when you can talk lobstah?

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 10, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

My 1st question for Bronco fans;

What’s up with McGahee lately?

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 10, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

I big bowl of FAIL

Seriously…he’s been coughing up the rock at record pace the past few games, it seems. I think he better pull up his big-boy pants and be ready…we need him to perform this week if we are to have any shot.

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed sadaraine!

It’s not just a lately thing though, McGahee has had issues with the ball all year. It’s frustrating because the lastest happened when we were marching the ball for a possible game clinching score.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Tebow's future as the starting QB secured?

He sure looked impressive against the Steelers in a high-pressure playoff game, but so soon we forget the nasty 3-week stretch against New England, Buffalo and Kansas City that had many people screaming for his head.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Once Elway gets his brain transplanted into Tebow's body, then his position is secure.

If Elway could do the Vulcan mind meld, they’d already be there.

If you see a bunch of Elwaying, then you know it has happened.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As far as 2012 goes

He’s earned the opportunity to go into the offseason as “the guy”. Most of us fans wanted to see that regardless of the bad three game streak. I think it’s a no brainer after Sunday. He goes into next season as #1 and then we’ll see what progress he’s made in the offseason.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No point in voting

"Thirty-seven points on the best defense in the league, suck my d–k" - Bill Belichick

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by BostonBeasts on Jan 10, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

I dont like this guys attitude

Dont be a Jets, Broncos Mike.

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 10, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

I think we just got royally trolled.

And I think that he is Stuntman Mike.

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by wetfeet on Jan 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha! I got you on that one Marima.

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by wetfeet on Jan 10, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, the poll seems to be offending a lot of people

Remember I said this:

“Let’s all have some good football talk, some great laughs, and even some light-hearted smack talk this week”

The poll for me is funny, I didn’t expect Patriots fans to vote on it. So please don’t take things so seriously. The other thing that has offended people is the statement I made about the Broncos making mistakes the first time we played and that the game should have been closer. This is how many of us felt and still feel about that game. We were dominating up 16-7, moving the ball at will, and then three turnovers later are down 27-16. I never said that it was a fluke or that the Patriots didn’t deserve to win, in fact I said good teams capitalize on mistakes.

As far as whoever Stuntman Mike is, I just joined Pats Pulpit as of late last night. Though I’ve read stuff here before, I’ve never been here under another name.

Bottom line is I’m here to talk football and have a good week here with you folks.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was funny. Daring too, on an opponent’s board.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Fumbles are a little lucky...

…but they were caused by adjustments that contained the Broncos to 7 points after their offensive explosion. I don’t think you can use the fumbles as an excuse for why the Broncos couldn’t move the ball for most of the 2nd half.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The strip of Tebow on that pitch play was an awesome play by the Pats' defender

The other two were just sloppy. Quan Cosby muffed a punt which is on him, and the other fumble on Lance Ball was him carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. We need to do a better job of protecting the football bottom line.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

My point was less about the Pats causing fumbles, and more on the ability of the Pats defense to rebound and keep DEN from scoring until late in the 4th quarter.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I see this game going in N.E.'s favor

much the same way the first time around happened. What makes The Patriots so different from any other team Denver faces is that they are the perfect antidote for the Broncos formula for success. The Steelers re a great team, and I don’t think anyone would dispute that, but thy certainly are not a high scoring team. The Broncos motto (I’m making this up) is “keep the score close and by the end of the game we will win”. The thing is, unless the Broncos offense can keep up score with Brady, Welker, Gronk and Hernandez, there’s no way they will stay in it to win it, and I seriously doubt they can. Of course Brady and his offense stalls out every few drives, so what makes up for that is our opportunistic defense. There’s rarely a point in a game where you say “That should have been a pick” because 99% of the time it is a pick and New England gets the takeaway. For as much as Belichick’s defense bends, they straighten out and say, “Hey stop bending me.” N.E. will force or capitalize on giveaways and then proceed to score on them.

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by Noah Lot on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

No doubt

I think the Broncos need to play mistake free-ball and force Brady to make some that will give us more opportunities. Great defense will always be able to stall an offense, I truly believe that. So if our guys play lights out, it’s going to be a close game. I also think that we did a great job in limiting Welker and Gronk the last time out. But we gave up a big play to Ocho for a TD and some big plays to Hernandez.

One thing we have working for us this time around is that our safety play is much better going into this game. Bruton and Carter had fantastic games agaisnt the Steelers and aren’t making the same mistakes they did against the Pats the first time around.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is

The broncos are not a great defense. They have a couple of play makers on it. But when the defense looked like they were world beaters, they were not playing good offenses.

by Timberg193 on Jan 10, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is...

…that despite 3 horrendous passing games heading into the playoffs, Tebow has shown you have to respect his deep throw. That is definitely going to open up the playbook for the DEN offense. The Pats were able to make adjustments in their previous encounter, but I have a feeling those won’t work any more. Need a whole new game plan, defensively.

Additionally, the offensive line has been beset by injuries recently. Hopefully they’ve rested over the bye, but if Dumervil and his cohorts get going, this game could look a lot like the Pats’ last 3 playoff games.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

Our offense needs to show that it can adjust as well. If the Pats remain disciplined, those big plays we had against the Steelers won’t be there as much. But Tebow confidence wise played extremely well and looked like he shook off those bad games and tentativeness.

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the o line looks healthy

and the concept that they have to scrap their game plan the last time is ludicrous. Problem is if the pats play there game they win. Only they can beat themselves

by Timberg193 on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

We saw Tebow throw deep balls for that Steelers game

but he only had 10 completions. So my question is, can the Broncos survive a game if that deep threat isn’t there with New England? Basically what I’m getting at is I’m not sure if Tebow, after the run game, can keep a drive alive down the field with short and intermediate throws, especially without having to create choas in the backfield. We saw some intermediate throws of his to completely open receivers that were way under thrown or in some area were the receiver was burdened to catch it.

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by Noah Lot on Jan 10, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is...

…can the Pats’ secondary stop the deep ball even when they know it’s coming? It’s been a problem all year.

If Tebow completes a few long passes at the beginning of the game, then DEN can thrive on play-action and draws all day long.

by tossin on Jan 10, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Tebow is not consistent enough to dink and dunk in a sustained drive. If the long ball is shut down, the running game will have to be able to move the chains, and even if the running game is working, one missed pass or stuffed run and the drive dies (see KC game).

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by margabelle on Jan 11, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i think the only way

denver can win is by turning into the JETS from 2010 or the g-man from 2007 keeping the ball for 35 min plus cutting the possington way down staying close and winning the game late look at it this way u score 28 or more u win u score under 20 u lose

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by j-man on Jan 10, 2012 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

I agree j-man

Our team is built for that with our running game. If we can put together some long drives and keep the Pats out of rhythm offensively, that is our best shot. The key will be 3rd down on both sides. Can we convert more consistently, can our defense force stops consistently?

by Bronco Mike on Jan 10, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

right on

by the way great tittle

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano

by j-man on Jan 10, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, is Vegas trying to get Tebow even more pumped up?

Oh, and nice poll man (even if I didn’t have the heart to click on it)

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by BrokenbatGrandSlam on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

Just to be friendly to those not willing to vote

Denver 31, NE 30 is the winner so far.

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by sadaraine on Jan 11, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

I didn’t vote, but I do think it’s a very possible score.

by tossin on Jan 11, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i just want a playoff win

it’s been awhile

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by Chris Kole on Jan 12, 2012 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

I'm watching the Sound FX on NFL network, they are featuring Tebow and Brady

I’ve been asked a lot the last couple of weeks about Tebow and the future and here’s my thoughts on the situation.

From the beginning it’s been a very up and down year. He’s played well, he’s played terribly, we’ve won, we’ve lost.

What I do know is that he has shown improvement throughout the year, and he’s always been a leader. I don’t think you can dispute that our team started playing as a team as soon as the gig was given to him.

Both our franchises have fantastic records historically. Our Broncos have been to six super bowls, won two of them, and for many years especially in the 80’s and 90’s we were perennial winners. For your Patriots, they have been to six super bowls, won three of them, and for the last decade+ have been perennial winners.

Our franchise has struggled lately. We made the AFC Championship in 2005 and won a playoff game last week, besides that the few times we’ve made the playoffs this last 10 years, we’ve been one and done. Your franchise has struggled in the postseason the last three years, and in many ways there is much more pressure on the Patriots to deliver a victory Saturday. Anyway I’ll get to the point.

We haven’t had a leader at QB since Elway. Tebow is a leader, he works hard, he honors his teammates and gives them praise in victory. One of his most common phrases when asked about success or winning is that he says “I give credit to my coaches and my teammates for making me look better than I really am.” For all the attention he gets, he doesn’t ask for it, and it doesn’t change him—-he handles it well.

On the field, running, passing, it doesn’t matter to him so long as we get the victory, and that’s what I think. I don’t care if the guy throws an ugly ball or completes half his passes, because we have a leader again. He’s done exactly what the coaches have asked from him, and they’ve done a great job bringing him along. People forget that including last week, that was his 15th start in the NFL—-experience wise. And from what I’ve seen, he will get better, and both the coaches and fans know he’s going to work his butt off and do whatever he can to improve.

Now, when I hear things about other starting QB’s and how their teammates call them out, or even Joe Flacco who recently complained that he isn’t getting enough props for his teams’ success, it makes me very thankful that Tim is the kind of competitor and person he is.

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by Bronco Mike on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

Here are my thoughts on the game

I’ve been asked about my ‘worries’ for the game.

It all boils down to one thing: mistakes, and not executing.
We here this stuff all the time from Bill Belichick. But for our Broncos this rings true even more. Our offense is probably not at the point where it can trade scores with Tom Brady. Defensively, we ABSOLUTELY have to make tackles and keep your receivers from getting big gains and YAC. We need to be the epitome of bend but don’t break defensively—-Brady will get his yards, but keep him—-however possible, out of the endzone. Kick FG’s all day. Pressure wise, we need to get there with 4 rushers. Before this year, Fox was known for playing zone and using the zone blitz quite a bit. Well we have to find some ways to get to him while being able to keep 6-7 guys in coverage.

Offensively, we need to convert 3rd downs more consistently. This starts #1 by not giving up stupid offensive penalties (which we have avoided lately), and by getting positive yardage on 1st and 2nd down. We need to limit our three and outs to maybe one or two like we did against Pittsburgh. We also need to convert TD’s in the Redzone. Last week against Pittsburgh, we ended two drives inside the Pittsburgh 10 and settled for FG’s. Maximizing our scoring opportunities is paramount.

Do I think the Broncos can hang with the Patriots? Without a doubt! Do I think we can win the game? Of course we can! The only way we are going to do it is by playing smart disciplined football, and by executing the game plan. How’s that for a Belichickian answer? :)

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by Bronco Mike on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

Confidence level?

50% = even chance of winning

by tossin on Jan 13, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do so many fans of other teams say that the Patriots have no class?

This question is not aimed at saying that is your opinion Bronco Mike but rather just an overall sentiment I get from reading other teams blogs. If class is feeling bad for a team in game and not stopping to score then I dont want to be classy. However, Belichick, Brady and the rest of the Patriots are always respectful to the other teams during the press conferences and talks on radio shows. My guess is that reputation just comes with success.

by Always Sunny Next Year on Jan 14, 2012 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

It most likely stems from LdT's comments after the Pats beat the Chargers in playoffs

They were imitating Shawn Merrimam’s “lights out dance” later attributed to “Have you had your roid shot lately” dance.
Then you add in “spygate” – not taped from the wrong spot on the field gate, and fans latch on to the sentiment. Add an additional multi TD drumming during the 2007 offensive domination and everyone’s on the bandwagon “Classless” moniker.
Think about what it is to be a Broncos fan with all the Jebow hype, you’d love it their shoes, but everyone else can’t stand the constant attention.

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by TFBismywingman on Jan 14, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Well folks, game day is here

I’d say good luck, but that would be dishonest lol! So instead I wanted to say thank you guys for having me this week! Win or lose we’ll see you folks again next season!

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by Bronco Mike on Jan 14, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Congratulations Pats!

And thank you everyone for having me this week. Enjoy your victory, you guys deserve it and were the better team!

Thank you Broncos for such a fantastic year! Thank you for coming together as a TEAM! Thank you for giving us a reason to believe again! I love you guys!!!

by Bronco Mike on Jan 14, 2012 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

thanks man

As much as the entire league is about to catch up to Tebow’s style, he and the organization have ability to overcome it. With Decker’s return and few good WRs/TEs I think Tebow can add another facet to their offence, which will make him more dangerous. I am sure Broncos are heading to right direction and we won’t be able to sleep on you guys for while.

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by cruelangelT on Jan 15, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

I hope the organization throws their support behind Tebow and improve his passing and reads. He’ll really be formidable.
We’ll see you next season. Cheers.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 15, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

just another chapter in the saga between these two teams.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

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