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2nd Round Patriots vs Broncos: Defending the Big Play

The Patriots must get to Tebow early.

Like Greg, I've spent a fair amount of my time reviewing the Week 15 game between the Patriots and Broncos. If you follow me on Twitter, you've probably already seen/ignored this information.

The Broncos managed to torch the Steelers for massive yardage on big plays down the field. The performance of the Steelers defense immediately made me look towards the Week 15 game to watch all of the big plays allowed by the Patriots defense. If you can recall the first quarter, you'll remember that the Patriots defense did not perform at a high level. The defense gave up 17 plays of 10 or more yards, which is atrocious. The scarier fact is how balanced the Broncos were in their big plays: 9 were on run plays and 8 were on pass plays.

It's key for the Patriots to limit the Broncos offense, especially the run, and prevent extended drives. The more the Patriots offense is on the field, the greater chance the Patriots have to win; I don't think many expect the Broncos to stick with the Patriots in a shoot out. By limiting the large plays and the running attack, the Broncos will have to dink and dunk down the field and Tim Tebow may not have the skill set to consistently march the Broncos down the field with his arm on short passes.

This leads us to the Word of the Week:

Vesuvius

Definition:

Verb; To build steam and go to the brink, before exploding on everything.

Use in a sentence:

The Broncos took advantage of Dick LeBeau's strategy and Vesuviused on the Steelers defense.

The Patriots must realize that Broncos offense thrives on the big play in order to win games. Tebow is a dangerous athlete who can make those big plays happen with both his arm and his legs, so the Patriots must find a way to disrupt Tebow and force him to make terrible throws. Bill Belichick and Matt Patricia must find a way to stall the Broncos offense and, ultimately, prevent them from Vesusviusing over the Patriots defense.

Let's take a look at the Week 15 tape to see how the Broncos were able to beat down the Patriots defense for extended stretches.

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First Quarter:

The Patriots allowed 8 plays of 10+ yards

6 run plays

2 pass plays

22.5 yard/play average

Play 1: Willis McGahee rushes for 19 yards. Dane Fletcher hits the gap extremely hard before the play develops and is removed from the play as McGahee runs outside. Rob Ninkovich and Devin McCourty are overpowered and sealed out of the play as they crash to the middle of the field. McGahee is able to bounce outside for a big gain. Patriots were undisciplined, out-executed, and just plain out-hustled as it seemed as if the Broncos schemed the outside run.

Play 2: Jeremiah Johnson sprints for 25 yards. Kyle Love is blown off the line and Brandon Deaderick is blocked out of position as the defensive line is extremely overpowered. Dane Fletcher is pancaked as he tries to make a backfield tackle. Matthew Slater takes a terrible angle and Johnson breaks for a huge gain. Again, nothing tricky- the Patriots are just out-executed.

Play 3: McGahee rushes for 29 yards. Patriots are in the 3-4 front. Rob Ninkovich is at outside linebacker as is sealed from the play. Broncos wide receiver Eric Decker blocks Kyle Arrington back towards the middle of the field (similar to how McCourty was blocked on Play 1) to open up the sideline for a big gain. The block on Arrington also eliminates Fletcher from the play as an unintentional "pick" to interrupt Fletcher's pursuit. Slater takes another bad angle. Again, nothing fancy- just the Broncos taking advantage of a less-than physical Patriots defense.

Play 4: Demaryius Thomas for 22 yards. The Broncos use the play action pass to draw the Patriots defense up to defend the pass. Thomas is open (as we've examined) as Kyle Arrington is out of position and the underneath layer of coverage is drawn up and out of position.

Play 5: Lance Ball for 32 yards and touchdown. Rob Ninkovich is stood up as a defender. Dane Fletcher crashes his gap, like the first play, and leaves a giant hole where he should have been in position. Ball breaks down the field and McCourty and Ihedigbo are sealed by their receiver. Sergio Brown takes a terrible angle and doesn't even try to make the tackle at the 20 yard line.

Play 6: Decker for 22 yards. This was the same exact play and coverage as Play 4. Play action with identical coverage.

Play 7: Ball for 12 yards. Patriots are in the 3-4 front. Deaderick is sealed from his gap and Jerod Mayo makes a terrible read and runs around the pile, even though Ball runs up the gut; Mayo effectively removes himself from the play.

Play 8: Tim Tebow for 19 yards. Design option play and Mark Anderson is sealed from making a play. Deaderick misreads the option and chases the running back. The defensive backs are blocked by their receivers and there are no middle depth defenders.

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That was just the first quarter. Keep in mind that only Tebow's run- which was the eighth 10+ yard play of the quarter- was a non-traditional play call. The Broncos beat the Patriots by out-executing and outperforming the defense. The cornerbacks did not seem prepared for the physical blocking of the Broncos receivers and were often wiped out of run defense. The linebackers, especially Ninkovich and Fletcher, did a poor job maintaining their gaps and were continually washed out of the play. The defensive line did not seem prepared (especially Deaderick) for the physical fight in the trenches and were thrown off their gap or were sealed.

I believe that the Patriots will be better prepared for the physicality and energy that the Broncos bring to the field and to their blocking and, as a result, will not be caught so off guard. The Patriots have mentioned how surprised they were with how physical Tebow was as a quarterback and I believe that sentiment can be attributed to the entire Broncos offense- they're an extremely physical group and will try to enforce their dominance on the field.

As a result, the Patriots shouldn't try to win 2-on-1 battles. They just won't. As Jeff Howe stated, the Patriots transitioned from a two-gap model to a one-gap defense to handle the Broncos offensive line. The Broncos were double-teaming the gap they were going to run through and the Patriots couldn't win those fights. By playing a one-gap style, the Patriots can try to create traffic in the backfield and prevent the Broncos from running through open gaps.

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Second Quarter:

The Patriots allowed 2 plays of 10+ yards

1 run play

1 pass play

13 yards/play average

Play 9: Thomas for 15. Play action pass on the same route as Plays 4 and 6.

Play 10: Ball for 11. Tracy White attacked the correct gap, but completely whiffed on an arm tackle. Jerod Mayo was also in position to cut off the run, but couldn't disengage from his blocker and couldn't make the play.

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The Patriots settled down in the second quarter and forced plenty of turnovers to disrupt the Broncos momentum. The Patriots need to find a way to break up Tebow's favorite throw (it involves the linebacker not biting on the play action and dropping to the correct depth to either deter the throw or defend the pass). Again, poor fundamentals led to another large play.

I hope the Patriots spent their Bye Week working on their tackling.

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Third Quarter:

The Patriots allowed 1 play for 10+ yards

1 pass play

16 yard/play average

Play 11: Thomas for 16 yards. Another play action play, but this passing play is different from the others. Arrington and James Ihedigbo cover deep quarters of the field and Thomas cuts into an out route to get open and away from Arrington. In fact, Ihedigbo bumps Thomas at the line to throw off his rhythm and to deter Tebow from throwing his normal seam route. This is a bend-don't-break look and the Patriots seemed fine with letting Tebow attempt that throw. They wanted to challenge his sideline arm and accuracy.

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The Patriots were on lock-down mode in the 3rd quarter and were able pretty much eliminate Denver's big play ability. Hopefully the Patriots will review what worked so well in the 3rd quarter and find a way to incorporate some of the core strategies of their defense into their game plan for Saturday.

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Fourth Quarter:

The Patriots allowed 6 plays of 10+ yards

2 run plays

4 pass plays

23.7 yards/play average

Play 12: Tebow scrambles for 10 yards. The play was a 3rd and 14 so the defense was willing to give up the yardage. Still, Ninkovich is blocked out of the play by an offensive lineman and White misses another arm tackle. The linebackers need to be smarter when they try to take down Tebow in the open field.

Play 13: Thomas for 14 yards. This is the first passing play of 10+ yards not from the play action set-up. Thomas run an out route and Arrington tries to undercut the throw and make an interception. It was a good read by Arrington, although it was a risky play. He probably could have knocked the ball down if he didn't go for the interception.

Play 14: Thomas for 39 yards. Worst play of the Patriots second half. McCourty is expecting deep safety help and, as a result, releases Thomas to cover the middle depth of the field. Unfortunately, the Broncos have two receivers deep and only Sergio Brown is deep to cover. While McCourty should not have released his receiver so early in the play, Brown didn't read the play as it developed and was playing center field instead of covering the deep receivers. Nate Jones had left the slot receiver to spy the outlet and the slot receiver took off down the field. Just total miscommunication by the secondary.

Play 15: Ball for 34 yards. Tebow dumped the football to Ball 5 yards down the field and Ball ran for 29 YAC. Mayo was in coverage of Ball, but Tebow had bootlegged out and Mayo abandoned his man to make a play on Tebow. Bad move by Mayo. White made a bad angle in pursuit of Ball, while Arrington gave a low effort attempt because it was late in the game and the score was already determined. Nate Jones also whiffed on a tackle. The defense definitely phoned in the effort at the end of the game.

Play 16: Matthew Willis for 15 yards. Willis ran a crossing pattern away from McCourty. The tight end engaged with Guyton to set a pick and create separation between Willis and McCourty. Well designed play by the Broncos and there was little McCourty could have done on this play.

Play 17: Tebow scrambles for 30 yards. Ninkovich creates pressure and has his arms around Tebow, but Tebow breaks free and takes off. The Broncos receivers had run deep routes so the entire Patriots secondary was very deep and there were no defenders around to slow Tebow. Guyton did take a terrible angle on Tebow, but this was a broken play at the end of the game that Tebow turned into a big gain.

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The Patriots were definitely sloppier in the fourth quarter, although I feel like the lack of hustle can be attributed to the score differential. Still, the Patriots should show the desire and effort to play the full 60 minutes in a playoff game as this is do-or-die.

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So what can the Patriots take away from reviewing the Week 15 game? They need to be ready for the Broncos physical game from the first snap so all levels of the defense are prepared to stop the run attack. They must also realize this scary fact:

The Broncos gained 393 total yards of offense.

The Broncos gained 364 total yards of offense from the 17 plays of 10+ yards for 21.4 yards/play.

The Broncos gained 82 total yards of offense from their 41 other plays for 2.0 yards/play

The Broncos lost 53 total yards of offense from 4 sacks for 13.25 yards/sack

Limit the big play and the Broncos offense will struggle. A tight bend-don't-break defensive scheme should limit the Broncos as the Patriots offense (hopefully) manages to score early in the game.

The Patriots have had plenty of time off. It's time they take the field and play their hearts out for a full 60 minutes and have a statement game to open up their playoff season.

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Love these film reviews Rich

I tried desperately to find the video of Spikes spearing DMC against Oakland and driving him into the ground. If its on the internet, I have no idea where.

If that Brandon plays on Saturday, Tebow should be looking out. I bet Spikes is chomping at the bit to finally get a good lick on Tebow. Timmy said that Brandon had played a little past the whistle a few times in college. No whistle this time, big guy.

Can’t wait to see the Spikes shuffle again.

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by Austin Martin on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This one.

Found it because it was the same play that injured Mayo. Spikes was a beast in this game.

by Richard Hill on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Let’s see “White takes a bad angle” on almost every play mentioned. And Fletcher seemed over anxious to get into the backfield quickly – disregarding discipline. And any time I see Guyton’s name and “run play” I’m concerned. Having a high motor/emotional guy like Spikes out there will not only take a lesser player off the field, but I think it will elevate the play around him. You know you can set an edge with Brandon behind you to clean up the gap.

Maybe I’m overvaluing his impact, but I’m always happy to see him in the game. I know he’s going to bring it every play and then gloat about it as he stands over his victim. This defense is a bunch of lunch pail guys without the emotional leader. I think Spikes can fill that role.

by iLikeStuff on Jan 12, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I also like McCourty as safety

He’s instinctive and can wrap guys up – or at least he did last year. I think with the play in front of him, he’ll be way more effective.

Chung and McCourty as safeties with Arrington and Newb as DBs
vs.
Random and Random as safeties with Arrington and McCourty as DBs

by iLikeStuff on Jan 12, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The defense

looks much more cohesive as a unit with Spikes on the field. You immediately see more energy, more intensity, more desperation. He may never be a singular “elite talent” but you can’t underestimate the “glue guys” on a roster enough.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Jan 12, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep -- you both nailed it.

He plays with more abandon but he’s also totally solid. I think stuff-liking-guy really hit a big point: if you’re Ninkovitch or Anderson, you can set the edge with confidence because you have complete faith Spikes is going to compress the spine of anyone who wants to jump inside.

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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 12, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully he can play disciplined

Being out for a bit and wanting to make an impact in the game could cause him to overcommit or bite on some plays. I can see that happening in the first quarter and then him settling down. Hopefully that doesn’t happen at all but I’ll forgive him a couple plays early of that’s the case.

by iLikeStuff on Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the issues in the secondary...

…is that there’s been no confidence in the safeties and, as a result, the cornerbacks have been trying to accomplish too much.

by Richard Hill on Jan 12, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggest difference between then n now...

Slater n brown shouldn’t see time at safety. Chung n Mccourty there n will not take those angles that make plays bigger than they are. Also Fletcher shouldn’t see the field as his name was all over all the run plays.

Dif between us n steelers is no 50+ plays, we will make them gain that 50 in 4-8 plays Bc the more Tebow drops back the more likely the pick.

Finally zone works against average throwing qbs like Tebow or Sanchez. Also allows to spy the run as well.

The secondarys first p needs to be back, pass first run second.

by gnatecolby on Jan 12, 2012 1:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I would never ignore your twitter, Rich!

Gloss over? Sure.

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by Hometown Gyro on Jan 12, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

If both Chung and McCourty are safeties

who plays deep? They are both excellent run stuffers/tacklers.

by furiousd on Jan 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

The beauty of the Belchick system is that there are no real strong/free safety designations.

Both guys are expected to be able to handle both responsibilities (which is partly why Milloy was eventually shown the door – he was more of a strong safety). Hopefully mixing up the looks will add to the confusion of one 2nd year qb.

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by Hometown Gyro on Jan 12, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I get a feeling

We’ll see Ihedigbo opposite Chung with McCourty back at CB. Ihedigo is embarrassing in pass coverage, but BB might like to bolster the run coverage a little but more.

Of course I say that now, and he tosses Sterling Moore back out at safety or something.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Jan 12, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless we play a lot of zone I don't think we'll see McCourty on a corner.

I really like the idea of Chung and DMcC as our safeties with Arrington and changeable at corner. I feel like McCourty will thrive as a FS and struggle as a corner right now.

I wonder which Moore we will get? First half of season Moore or last quarter of season Moore?

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

"The longer they play, the more they lose. In the end, we get it all."

by JohnHannahRules on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair to Moore...

…he was great at safety early in the year. Only issue was that he injured McCourty and then he was terrible in the Colts 4th quarter when they moved him to CB. Only one bad quarter, in my opinion. Still think Moore could be the best free safety on the roster.

by Richard Hill on Jan 12, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope I'm not too drunk when the game comes on

Me and some buddies are headed out to the bar for the earlier game because our friend is bar tending. I prefer to be sober at the start of the game and drink a Belgian 40 (750ml of Chimay or something) before halftime. Then chill or have only a couple more after that so I don’t miss too much.

I like to pretend I’m Richard Hill and pick up on all the nuances and meta games within each play. That hasn’t happened yet, but being inebriated doesn’t get me any closer to that dream. The sad part is I already know what’s going to happen, yet I’ll do nothing to stop it.

by iLikeStuff on Jan 12, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

Say what you want about the defense.

But one thing we’ve been able to count on is very few big (30+ yard) plays. I haven’t actually looked at the stats on that but that’s the impression I’ve gotten watching throughout the season.

I think the Broncos had..7? of those on the Steelers. That simply isn’t going to happen to this defense. It can and probably will happen once or twice like last game, but it won’t kill us.

by Csigs on Jan 12, 2012 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

10 total completetions, 5 for over 30.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

"The longer they play, the more they lose. In the end, we get it all."

by JohnHannahRules on Jan 12, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

…Patriots lead the league in plays of 20+ yards by an extremely large margin (~10). They’ve allowed 89 over the course of the season. Next closest is around 80.

by Richard Hill on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We've got to play really well to beat you guys

but don’t be shocked if this is a nip and tuck game throughout. Other than us, the AFC West really sucks, so it’s understandable to see why people would overlook us…

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by the new Bradfather on Jan 12, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

The Chargers were more talented than broncos

AFC west was all mediocre teams, including the Broncos

by Timberg193 on Jan 12, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Since we've only beaten mediocre teams, we should be in good shape.

Honestly, the top of the league is tiny this year, and I’m not sure you can even include the patriots in the discussion. On the cusp, maybe. I number the elite teams at two and a half: Saints, Packers and the 49ers for the .5. Niners have no offense, but their D is incredibly good.

Knocking on the door: Baltimore, Pats, Steelers (regular season edition), Giants (building momentum).
Third, but breathing down their necks: Atlanta, Detroit
Behind those guys: Everyone else until you get to…
The dregs: Cleveland, Indy, St. Louis, Tampa, Minnesota.

What was weird is that outside of the top two, things quickly got foggy. There was no real upper class (which the NFL strives for) but the middle-class was really, really mediocre. The playoffs for the AFC are going to have less to do with a test of quality than a contest of who-gets-hot for a stretch.

I mean, I don’t see Houston beating Baltimore, but it could happen and it wouldn’t seem totally weird given the way Baltimore has played in some games this year. But I give all remaining four teams in the NFC the edge over all remaining in the AFC.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

"The longer they play, the more they lose. In the end, we get it all."

by JohnHannahRules on Jan 12, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd generally agree

The NFC teams are more easily labeled “elite.” However, I’d drop 49ers down a notch to the other group. But I also believe that Patriots and Ravens could definitely put together a one game stretch and knock out the remaining NFC teams.

Also I don’t even give Atlanta and Detroit that mention (This is not even counting the playoff games) because they are far to inconsistent. Detroit is incredibly undisciplined so they had no shot. And Atlanta was just for lack of better words “dull” this year.

by Timberg193 on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a great way to describe Atlanta.

Oh, you know. Pretty good. Throw a little, run a little.

"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."

"The longer they play, the more they lose. In the end, we get it all."

by JohnHannahRules on Jan 12, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of talented underachievers this year

The Cowboys and Eagles both looked great at times, and atrocious at others. Some strong teamwork and coaching could make them great though. And of course the Jets fell completely flat on their face.

Then there were a lot of key injuries. The Chargers fall into the underachiever category frequently, but the cascade of injuries might have caused them to fall even further. Houston could have been truly elite if they had stayed healthy. Indy went from rock solid to horrible with one injury. The Bears were looking really good before Cutler went down, and then Forte was the nail in the coffin.

So injuries and some crappy locker rooms caused a huge mass of mediocrity.

by Aluminum Penguin on Jan 12, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The Chargers are more talented offensively

The Broncos hold the edge on special teams and defense. The Eagles showed us that playing as a team trumps talent any day.

Tebow 3:16 says I just passed on your ass!!!

by Bronco Mike on Jan 13, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd Disagree

I think the chargers are more talented all around (except Special teams), just extremely extremely undisciplined. Thats not a knock against you guys, obviously the better coached/disciplined team is better

by Timberg193 on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

hey dont hate on the raiders. lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 13, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

At least they got rid of their mickey mouse coach

…Too bad he got to trade away two high draft picks before they did :P

Tebow 3:16 says I just passed on your ass!!!

by Bronco Mike on Jan 13, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we do like Palmer. :)

AT least we still have free agency and a 1st the offseason after that. :)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

hah Palmer

Hes pretty mediocre at best. Hes 32 and has regressed the past 3 seasons. Doesn’t sound like the recipe for success.

by Timberg193 on Jan 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He isn't mediocre. At first yeah,

but he was better than I expected. He is starting to have very good chemistry with his receivers. take into account of of 2 of his 3 starting WRs in Moore and Ford getting injured for most of the season, and Mcfadden out who is our best offensive play maker for most of the season, and palmer ultimately didn’t do too bad.

here is a nice post too: http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/1/9/2695992/carson-palmers-stats-as-a-raider

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 13, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Adminately I did not see much of him an oakland

But his career splits show mediocrity
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4459/carson-palmer

And his game by game split at oakland
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4459/carson-palmer

Doesn’t fair much better

Whenever I watch him I just get a bad taste in my mouth, hes a waste of talent. I think most objective people would deem him simply as mediocre and nothing more. He most certainly isn’t “good.” I can easily name 15 better qb’s.

But hey whats the value of debating over a guy who is a proven non-winner (politically correct?)

by Timberg193 on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He has thrown quite a lot of INTs, but he throws quite a lot of TDs too.

And I am one of the most objective people you can meet. Ask anyone, even Jet fans and Chief fans. They like me because I am objective and reasonable.

Palmer has made some big mistakes here, but considering:

2 of his 3 starting WRs in Moore and Ford getting injured for most of the season, and Mcfadden out who is our best offensive play maker for most of the season

And coming in mid season, and looking at how he passed the ball and his chemistry with his WRs, he was far from mediocre. He was good. He is not the problem in oakland. We should have won two games, and been into the playoffs: The lions game, where OAK defense gave up a 99 yard TD drive, and the chargers game, where OAK defense gave up a 99 1/2 yard TD drive.

You will see OAK win much more game once their defense gets back in order, and with a better DC. Palmer can get us 24+ points a game, and you need a QB who can do that in these days to get anywhere. Couple that when McFadden returns next year, and our receivers being healthy, and us at OAK can’t wait to see how Palmer and this offense can do.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 14, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

haha okay you enjoy that

The should of wins are the best. Especially 2. Considering if they took one of those they would have made the playoffs. Especially considering they were in one of weakest division in football.

by Timberg193 on Jan 14, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Not the weakest. Chargers are good, and the Broncos are good too.

It’s not the weakest. The Chiefs when they get their injured players back will be looking to try and take the division, Denver would be a contender, and the Chargers and Raiders will both contend as well. the division will be tough next year.

But I’m not surprised that you don’t know anything about our division. Those two games were just two examples of Palmer doing everything he can, while our defense was pooping the bed. Palmer has been good with us, and I can’t wait to see what he has in store next season. SO much great potential the Raider’s offense has with McFadden healthy, Palmer having more of the playbook down and more chemistry with his receivers, and receivers that are healthy for most of the season, I can’t wait to see how potentially explosive this offense can be.

You of course, will know nothing about it since your perception of the Raiders and their division is still in “early decade” mode.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 14, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol thank you for telling me what I think

I actually think the chargers are an immensely talented team, just completely undisciplined.

“The Chiefs when they get their injured players back will be looking to try and take the division”

Really? I thought they’d be purposely trying to lose.

But hey maybe you will make the playoffs next year! Palmer is a stud in the playoffs.

Enjoy it this year though

by Timberg193 on Jan 14, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If i may add to

I said one of the weakest, not the weakest. And guess what. It is one of the weakest, no question.

by Timberg193 on Jan 14, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? I thought they’d be purposely trying to lose.

Dude….. Eric Berry their pro bowl safety out for the season, Jamaal Charles (the Chiefs #1 RB who WAS the Chiefs offense and brought them to the #1 rushing offense in the NFL last year) out for the year very very very early. And they have had a few more injuries up and down the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. There was NO WAY they would do much in their division (until the Raiders took the injury toll, and Tebow started getting wins).

The division, when healthy, is a very tough division. Everyone but denver imo will be competing for the division.

Raiders have to take care of penalties, and they need a better DC. I think they have the potential to be a 10-12 win team if they get rid of the penalty problem, and stay healthy. I think the Chargers might still hold the division crown next year, but OAK will definitely give them a run for their money if they take care of the penalty problem and grab a much better defensive coordinator to help coach up that defense (they may switch to 3-4 next year too). But I think they’ll be in the wildcard contention.

Palmer looked good with us. Yes he had some very bad throws, but he also had very beautiful ones too. He seems more comfortable with our WRs than with TO (head case, and he was being a distraction last year) and Ocho (regressed as a route runner, and us pats fans definitely know that), and next year he’ll have more of the playbook down, and he’ll have better chemistry. Us Raider fans are really excited to see what he can do next year.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 14, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes mediocre as I said before

They are only mediocre until they can play disciplined and healthy (depth) football. Which are two important aspects of the game.

The whole purposely trying to lose was sarcasm

by Timberg193 on Jan 15, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, if it's a tuck game, we win.

LOL

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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

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