Silencing Hank: Patriots vs. Ravens
I honestly thought I'd be a lot more nervous at this point in the week than I actually am. After all, this is the AFC Championship Game; whoever wins this one gets to make a trip to Indianapolis. Whoever loses goes home, knowing how close they came to winning it all. All signs point to me being borderline suicidal right now But you know what? I'm really not. Sure, I'm a little anxious, and BEYOND excited for this game, but I'm not consumed with that gripping, paralyzing, bowel-loosening fear that has devoured me in AFCC games of yore.
And I think I know why: the media simply hasn't given me a chance to get scared.
I know that almost everyone is picking the Patriots to win on Sunday. Vegas has the Pats by 7.5, there have been more than a few "how can you stop Tom Brady?" articles and discussions, and people have been giving New England their much-deserved respect. But in spite of all that, I feel like I've been hearing much more negative than positive in regards to this team and what they have accomplished so far this season. If I had to sum up this past week in one sentence, it would probably be "This Patriots team is overrated and Baltimore's stellar defense is going to put them in their place." This could just be my blatant homerism and unflinchingly proud fan bias talking, and if so, I apologize. But the truth is that I feel like there has just been too much negativity surrounding this team and this game for me to become properly terrified over it.
That doesn't mean Hank has been silenced, though. Oh no - he's still alive and well, and he's had plenty to say all week. The thing is, there really isn't much that Hank can say at this point that hasn't already been said ad nauseum on ESPN, NFL Network, si.com, and every other sports website you go to to kill some time at work. I've been bombarded with it all so much that it's starting to lose much of its luster.
Still, here's what Hank has been saying all week, and here's what I've been saying back.
But Alec, the Ravens TROUNCED the Patriots in 2009! The media has been talking about it all week! Who's to say they won't do it again?
Shut up, Hank. That was two years ago. It means absolutely nothing. You know who Tommy B's leading receiver was in that game? Julian Edelman. You know why? Because Wes Welker blew out his ACL less than a week before that, completely short-circuiting New England's entire offensive scheme. The Patriots of 2009 won games through short passes to Wes Welker that set up the deep ball to Randy Moss. Without Welker, the Patriots had nowhere to go, especially against a Ravens defensive front that wouldn't allow enough time for any deep passing routes to develop and a secondary that was good enough to blanket Edelman, Matthew Slater, and Ben Watson. But hey, guess what? Brady isn't throwing to Edelman, Slater, and Watson anymore. This time he's throwing to Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, and Aaron Hernandez. And if those guys are covered? Deion Branch and Chad Ochocinco are there as well - not to mention Julian Edelman and Danny Woodhead/Kevin Faulk coming out of the backfield. I also consider Benny and Stevan Ridley a pretty big upgrade over Laurence Maroney. To look upon that first playoff game as any kind of indicator of how Sunday's game will go is to act like Vern Troyer in the back row at a rock concert: short sighted.
But Alec, the Ravens D is the best defense we've faced all season! They have the personnel to match up against this offense! Brady is going to get clobbered!
Shut up, Hank. No he isn't. And contrary to what pretty much every moron on television with a microphone has to say, the Ravens actually don't have the personnel to match up with New England's offense. Nobody on that side of the ball can hang with Gronk 1-on-1; he's going to have to be doubled and/or bracketed all game. And when you double Gronk, other receivers will be left in single coverage. Look for a big day from Branch, who is still a great route runner and is completely on Tom Brady's wavelength. Nobody can deny that this Ravens defense is very, very good - but this isn't the Ravens D of old. Ray Lewis has lost a step, and I don't care what he says, Ed Reed is playing hurt. Terrell Suggs is going to bring it, but that's nothing new. The Ravens definitely have the ability to pressure Brady and throw him off his game - but I love what I'm seeing from this offensive line, and Matt Light is having a career year. There's a chance we get Sebastian Vollmer back for this game too, giving New England the potential front line of Light, Mankins, Wendell, Waters, Vollmer, and Nate Solder as an extra tight end/blocker. That's about 4 metric tons of muscle and height keeping Tommy B safe -and with plenty of time to throw. I'll take New England's offense over Baltimore's defense every day and twice on Sunday - especially if it gets me out of going to church. The Pope, for some reason, thought it would be a good idea to change up parts of the Catholic Mass and I'm now spending most of my Sunday mornings reading from a cue card like a D-List celebrity at a public broadcasting network telethon. No fun.
But Alec, RAY RICE! OhmyGodOhmyGodOhmyGod RAY FRICKING RICE! AAAAAAAAHHHH!
Shut up, Hank. Yes, Rice is an animal. Yes, he's the key to the Ravens winning the game. And yes, if he gets going, New England is going to be in for a long day. We all know this. But you know who else probably knows this? Bill Belichick. One thing Belichick thrives on as a coach is taking away an opposing team's biggest strength and making them beat him other ways. Everyone knows that Ray Rice is going to run, and odds are he's probably going to run with some success. But this pervasive notion that Ray Rice is going to spend 60 minutes dragging 11 Patriots defenders up and down the field at will as he rushes for 296 yards and 4 touchdowns is borderline comical. All New England needs to do is slow him enough so that Flacco will have to make some throws in order to keep Baltimore in the game - and a Patriots run defense featuring Pat Chung and Brandon Spikes is more than capable of doing that. I'm fairly certain that the Denver Broncos were a better rushing team than the Baltimore Ravens, and the Pats figured out how to stop them. Nobody has adjusted better this season than this New England defense - if the score is close going into halftime, I like our chances.
But Alec, the Ravens aren't intimidated by the Patriots! Home field advantage is useless against these guys! USELESS!
Shut up, Hank. Home field advantage is still home field advantage, regardless of where it is. In spite of a few losses, Tommy B is still pretty damn hard to beat at home, and I'd rather be playing at Gillette than anywhere else this weekend. Plus, the only reason the homefield advantage was negated last time these teams met was because of how quickly the Ravens took the fans out of it. I honestly think the 2009 playoff game is a completely different outcome if Ray Rice hadn't busted out an 80 yard TD run right off the bat. I still think the Ravens would have won, as they were simply a better team than the Pats that year, but the kind of confidence and momentum you build from coming right out of the box and punching New England in the face can be a huge advantage. Plus, going up big in the 1st quarter allowed the Ravens to lean on the Pats with slow, clock killing drives. That 1st quarter will never happen again. Even worse, I remember the fans starting to empty before the 1st half was even over in 2009 - an absolute disgrace. Every fan going to this game has the responsibility - strike that, the Patriotic DUTY - to be as loud as possible and do everything in his/her power to make life very difficult on the Baltimore Ravens. And even if Baltimore does manage to be up 42-0 after one quarter, you keep your ass in that seat and you cheer like you've never cheered before until the bitter end. I'm kind of getting off topic now- but I'm sorry, that needed to be said. The reality is that the Patriots have a whole slew of loud, foul-mouthed, obnoxious fans. It's on them to make Gillette a tough place to play, and I think that they'll bring it this weekend. They did a great job last week, in my opinion; time to keep that momentum going.
But Alec, New England hasn't beaten a team with a winning record all season! Baltimore won 12 games! WE'RE DOOMED!
Shut up, Hank. How is this argument even relevant? What does it have to do with Sunday's game? Nothing, that's what. It wouldn't matter if Baltimore backed into the playoffs at 7-9, to be honest; New England would still prepare for them the same way they would if the Ravens were 17-0 coming into this one. This type of nonsense is nothing more than the argument of Patriots haters desperately trying to justify YET ANOTHER wildly successful New England season as their team sits at home shining their golfing shoes. Records - preseason, regular season, postseason, or otherwise - are meaningless from here on out. The only thing that matters now is how each team is playing at the moment. The Patriots look pretty damn good, in my opinion. The Ravens - honestly, they look very beatable. If we play our game, I don't see us losing this one.
But Alec, Bernard Pollard is a Raven now! He's going to take out Aaron Hernandez's knee and he'll be lost for the season!
Crap. That's a pretty damn good point. Let me get back to you on that one.
I'm very aware that there is a good chance that the Ravens take this game. They are a great football team, and they deserve to be playing for the chance to represent the AFC in the Superbowl. But you know who is a better team? The New England Goddam Patriots, that's who. I believe in this team as much as I have any team that has taken the field since I started following the Patriots on a mentally unhealthy level 20 years ago. There's no way I'm going to abandon ship now. This season has been too much fun, and this team has come too damn far, to go down the way they have in years past. I say New England wins this one 27-17. But even if they lose, you know they are going to lose with no excuses, having played their best game and leaving everything out on the field. And while I won't be happy about it, I can definitely live with it.
And honestly, so can Hank..
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You should by Hank a bottle of rum and pour it down his throat. ;)
by Paydirt on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Every time you write "Shut Up, Hank"
It makes me think of chris farley saying “Shut Up Richard” and I laugh… literally at every paragraph haha
Kick Hank's (3 letter expletive for butt)
how about being AFC champs?
aww yeah!
Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about a playoff victory?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"
How can they call this team overrated?
The Saints and Packers were overrated, so what the Pats had an easy schedule this year, look at last year, they had a better record and beat pretty much every single team that made it to the playoffs last season. Record means nothing, look what the Giants are doing right now, look at what happened to Greenbay, and damn, look back at what happened in ’01.
The beating no one with a winning record argument is stupid.
Green Bay beat 7 or 8 teams with winning records. That speaks for itself.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
It is stupid
In fact, losing to a good team by a small margin is a bit better than getting your butt kicked on national TV by the Jaguars
Keep the faith!
Pats went 14-2 last year
and won against playoff teams. One of them being you guys in overtime. There is no mistake that the pats could beat playoff caliber teams. It’s ignorant to think otherwise.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No more ignorant than to think a loss to the Jaguars means much when we’ve beaten every good team we’ve played this year.
It means something.
Just as the pats losing to Pitt and the Giants. You guys are only 4/8 on the road, and 3 of those losses were against bad teams. The regular season suggests that Baltimore is not that great on the road.
Now, I believe regular season games can get thrown out the window in the playoffs. I believe the playoffs are a different animal.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
According to Cold Hard Football Facts
Pats have by far the best Relativity index among teams left. In other words, even though they didn’t have “quality” wins, they were beating teams by almost the largest margin, in fact by almost 10 points higher than their average. Relativity index measures how you perform relative to your opposition.
For what it’s worth, they also say this is the best predictor of success in football.
The bad news, the two teams better than the Pats in that category, were Green Bay and the Saints. However, they argue that the Pats D is a much more efficient defense, which gives them a better shot.
The Packers(credit to the Giants)did not play championship caliber football – dropped passes, fumbles, allowing a hail mary etc, while the Saints had a great matchup with the Niners who played a hard hitting game, and also scarfed up 3-4 turnovers, and the Saints still almost beat them, but were the victim of 2 fourth quarter comeback drives from Smith and co.
The thing you are missing is just how sloppy the Saints were- 5 turnovers in their game against the 49ers- you can’t do that in the post season and win.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jan 20, 2012 7:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
actually, i mentioned that, and pretty much
ended with that exact assessment, other than I said 3-4 turnovers, while it was actually 5. That was one of my points, that the Pack and Saints both did not hold onto the ball, thus decreasing their chances greatly in close games.
Sorry- I somehow missed that on first reading, and thought you were only making the argument that the Saints were hard luck losers of a close game at the end, without mentioning how it got to be that way.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jan 20, 2012 10:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You know what?
Even if we lose, I’ll be happy.
The AFCCG may not be the Lombardi, but it’s damn good.
I’m far, far more relaxed about this game than the Broncos.
by quadruple option on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Me too
Honestly, with the way the defense has been playing all season, I didn’t really expect the Pats to make it the Superbowl, much less win it.
1st quarter
Not just in that game in 2009, but in a TON of Ravens games the first quarter is huge. Their team is custom made for protecting early leads. But if the Ravens get behind, it takes them totally out of their game plan. Their offense is way better than the Broncos, but they’re similar in that they have a very tough time trying to come back from big deficits. Flacco’s got a real nice arm, but if you know that he’s going to be throwing a lot, I’ll just say that he’s no TFB.
by Aluminum Penguin on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 PM EST reply actions
We haven't beaten a team with a winning record?
Damn, I wish we had lost to the Jets in week 5, because then the week 10 win would be over a team with a winning record!
…and we’d be playing this game at Baltimore.
Yeah, I’m feeling okay about the Patriots record. I am still super nervous about this game, but I am so tired of hearing that stat.
"I don't know. I'm making this up as I go."
by aja32 on Jan 20, 2012 12:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
7 wins
were over teams which would have had winning records if the Patriots hadn’t beaten them.
This.
Pretty much the entire NFL was 8-8 this year. There just weren’t that many winning teams to beat. For many teams (Raiders, Chargers, Jets), that one loss to the Pats could be viewed as what kept them out of the playoffs.
I like to think the two losses to the Pats kept the Jets out of the playoffs.
Makes me smile.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'll agree with Hank on one point:
I’m terrified that Bernard Pollard will be anywhere close to our players. It’s just way too creepy that he’s back there.
if pollard dare touches brady
he will get pile-driven by the gronk on the way to the end zone
Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about a playoff victory?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"
by freeland1787 on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Pollard got Gronk
wow. Didn’t see any dirty play there, but whoa does he have bad mojo.
While he had nothing to do with it...
Wasn’t he also the guy nearest Welker when Welker cut and blew out his own knee?
I want to see gronk
steam roll him
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
This is a year to shake back monkeys...
and one of those is Bernard Pollard.
I’d like to see him come on a blitz and get pancaked by Waters.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Me too
I know that Pollard was blocked into Brady’s knee and that Welker was hurt before Pollard tackled him, but having him playing for an opponent is terrifying.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Brilliant article as usual Alec.
The thought of Pollard scares me a bit – irrationally so. I hope all our guys come out healthy whatever the result.
in an ironic twist of fate
i believe that pollard may leave the game in the 1st quarter with a torn ACL- just kidding but it would be weird
Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about a playoff victory?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"
by freeland1787 on Jan 20, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Bernard Pollard
Would have been useful against Aaron Rodgers. Guess we’ll have to try and dodge a bullet here!
My favorite argument that Ive been hearing from many "analysts"
is that the ravens receivers, INCLUDING LEE EVANS, pose a problem for the NE secondary. Lee Evans of the 5 catches this entire season variety
Well, let’s face it- you don’t get to be the 31st ranked pass defense easily- the one good thing about playing Denver last week was that you could be pretty sure that they were nmot going to beat you by passing. (Although there was that one game against the Steelers…)
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Pretty much everyone agrees Lee Evans has been a total bust. Injured and ineffective all season.
That said he had one nice catch last week and he seems to be getting healthy for the first time as a Raven. Mediocre option still but for a #3 receiver we could be doing worse.
The 2009 team
“Even worse, I remember the fans starting to empty before the 1st half was even over in 2009 – an absolute disgrace. "
That 2009 time was a team with no mental toughness and found itself unable rise to occasions all season – an idea reinforced by the comments recorded in the Belichick NFL special. Had they simply failed to blow games at the end they would have been 14-2, or plausibly 15-1. They were completely non-competitive in that playoff game.
I think of that season as
The height of the Meriweather-Maroney era. The team was compriised of mentally weak underachievers who didn’t really care about football.
Maroney's height was 2007
where he was getting 100 yard games, and was a threat in the playoffs.
Meriweather I do agree with though.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Pretty sure
he meant height of the era in a bad way, not which years those players actually played well.
by AverageJoeEveryman on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
oh okay. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I didn't mean the height of each player's career
but the particular makeup and mindset of the team, as defined or exemplified by a few players. I always viewed Maroney, Meriweather and Adalius Thomas as talented guys who weren’t that committed to football. Even after a loss, they’d still have a smile their faces. They weren’t driven to work harder than was minimally required.
The 2009 team had too many guys like that to be successful. Too many important positions were filled with guys that just weren’t mentally tough. To me, Maroney and Meriweather exemplified that attitude, so I’ll always associate that awful playoff loss with them. The fact that Meriweather played horribly in that game doesn’t help much, either.
I think Meri had a very good year that year.
Yeah he missed a key tackle which we could ring his neck for, but overall his 2009 year was excellent.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
There were to many gaping holes in his mental game
In a team that is so focal upon “doing your job” Meriweather never did his job but created his own
He did his job alright.
But yeah he seems to be doing his own thing.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Other than Kevin Faulk and Julian Edelman- is there even a starter from that game (running back/tight end/ wide receiver) who started that day?
Maroney- gone
Moss- Adios
Morris- a fond farewell
Watson- Gone.
I know Law Firm was on the team- did he see much play that game?
The offense is very different from that day.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Speaking of Merriweather
I believe it’s him that commits on an awful angle to stop Ray Rice on that opening 80 yard run in that game. That about sums up the season.
Him and Guyton.
They were both out of position. Guyton committed to the wrong gap, and Meriweather came to the line too early (and in the wrong place).
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
The only game that really showed some toughness from them that year was the first game of the season- coming back from down by 11 with less than five minutes to go was not easy,, and that day I thought they were something special. But as the losses mounted (all on the road, and so many of them late), the truth revealed itself. When the only true away win you can manage is against the Bills- you have a problem!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
That Hank Bloomberg fella needs to shut up! ;)
I like how you too believe Ed is hurt. I believe so too. The brisk cold is going to get deep into that sore aching body of his.
by Yardpenalty.com on Jan 20, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions
I believe he is hurt (I saw the play at the end of that game, and while my ankles naturally roll that way, I have been told that it is not good for other people)- but between adrenaline, modern medicine, and being 60 minutes from a Super Bowl, I doubt it will effect him much.
Remember- Phillip Rivers played a pretty damn good AFC Championship on a torn ACL.
I will believe that he is limited when I see it.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Funny, I'm becoming more anxious about this game
Ed Reed and Ray Lewis are all time greats—they won’t go quietly into the night.
by bbismyhero on Jan 20, 2012 9:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm worried that our defense will struggle.
IBWT, as always. But Baltimore has a variable attack and I worry that without a simple, clear concept of how to attack a team, the defense will flounder for a half. We put together a complete game against Denver, but Denver is not a complete team. Against true pro-style offenses (that both run and pass semi-effectively) we’ve often taken at least a quarter to get going. If that happens, things could get ugly.
"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."
"The longer they play, the more they lose. In the end, we get it all."
by JohnHannahRules on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I still have nightmares
of Brady calling “hut” and almost immediately Ray Ray sacks him. Like he didn’t have time to even raise the ball. Remember that from 2009?. Man..bad memories.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
what if..
my worry is nobody is talking about the ravens TE’s. What if they do what Heath Miller did in our game against Pittsburgh.. The kind of defense the Pats have been playing leaves gaps in the middle for the TE’s..
Yeah I do worry that.
I am hoping that having spikes, mayo, and nink and being back in the 3-4 will help against the TEs.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No, that is not homerism
Midway through the season, the media declared the Saints and Packers the best teams in the NFL. They decided the Patriots were old and not relevant anymore, and that they never would be with that defense and BB past his prime. Now, there stuck in this awkward situation where the Packers and Saints are out but the Pats are still on. The media is not sure how to deal with this, so they generally ignore it.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions
Patriots were old and not relevant
Does not compute….
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Thats the media for you
I’m going to keep going back to the “can anybody stop the Pack?” headline. Prime example of their what-have-you-done-for-me-in-the-last-two-weeks attitude.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Jan 20, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
mhm. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I envy your confidence
I’m watching the Patriots worst losses in some weird pregame penance ritual. ’09 Ravens, ’06 Colts, and if I can work up the guts, the ’07 Super Bowl.
I still can’t believe how close the team was in 06. That may have been Brady’s most impressive year.
Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.
Would've beat the Bears if they advanced, too.
That was the peak of the AFCs superiority over the NFC. The Colts were the final hurdle, and they would have cruised and gained that 4th win in my opinion. It made it even more painful when the Pats had the Colts in such a massive hole throughout the game.
Can I Scream?
Definitely a lot missed chances...
2006 – Up 21-6, they blow the lead and would probably have beaten the Bears if they made it.
2007 – Well, you know what happened.
2010 – Just a complete, flat turd against the Jets, despite being the best team in the NFL over the regular season.
Blah, they should have 6 Superbowls by now…
And 7 counting this year
considering whats left on the board, the Pats have no excuse to lose to any of these guys.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well the Ravens do have a top 3 defense
and the giants have both a great defense, and a dangerous offense. Niners have an AMAZING defense, and a consistent offense (I know they pretty much have only vernon and gore, but they have a very good system that seems similar to the old patriots. And we also had no name WRs then).
This year is very tough for our pats. Hope they call pull out.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But compared to the Jets last yaer
maybe we were better then the Jets, and have no excuse to lose to them, but look at the other teams we would have had to face – Steelers, Packers, Ravens, etc. As soon as the Packers blew out the Falcons last year, I knew there was no way we were beating them.
This year, however, I feel like we really are the best team. The Giants are good, but we’re just better – our O is better, and, if our D plays like it did against the Broncos, our D is at least as good. 49ers have the best D in the league, but their O will have trouble scoring 30+. Same for Ravens.
With that said, I don’t think we win the SB this year either. There are times when you could call it a missed opportunity – 2006, 2007 for-sure, and maybe this year should we lose. But I wouldn’t put 2010 into that category.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Jan 21, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I think the pats have as good a chance to go into the superbowl as any other team.
This year’s playoffs are matched up very well, and look exciting to watch. If we win against Balt. it won’t be easy. If we win the superbowl, I don’t think it will be very easy either.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Question regarding the Pat’s D- how much of last week’s win was their being good, and how much of it is just that the Broncos are THAT bad?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Well... for one thing
I doubt the Ravens will let Brady stand back and pick apart their defense like the Broncos did.
Keep the faith!
They have a great OL and a great running game.
When the pats switched to 3-4 last game, they took care of the broncos very handily defensively.
We don’t fully know how the defense will do, but we know that they can potentially be very good. they seem best in the 3-4. The pats defense created 14 tackles for loss that game too, and stopped their running game nicely.
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The Broncos aren't bad
but they match up well against us. Our D is best at dealing with the run, and the Broncos are done when they go down by 14-21 points.
With that said, the amount of penetration into their backfield was just pure eliteness.
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by New Century Silver on Jan 21, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch… are you also going to watch that travesty against the Jets? Skip the game we don’t talk about.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Yeah, this might’ve been even worse than 2009 just because there’s no way the Jets were the better team. But they played better that day.
It was tons worse! I rate sports losses by how late the night after they keep me up:
2006… Frustrating, but one of the few blessings of pneumonia was enough drugs that I was sleeping all the time.
2007: Sleep deprivation caused me to fall asleep, but I was broken up about it for a few days.
2009: Slept like a baby- going into that game, I knew it was not likely to end well- the Pats were not as good a team as the Ravens- while watching the game was painful, it was not stunning in any way.
2010: I was up until after four in the morning- I just could not understand how the Patriots could play so badly after such a great season.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
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2006 – I was really, really sick, could barely stay awake and if I did I was having to take a ton of painkillers. We were up like 20-3 and I thought finally I could rest, and then when I wake up the next day I find out we lost. Terrible piled on top of terrible.
2007 – I sort of saw it coming, but still. Thats the ultimate form of missed opportunity. Skipped school the next day, and kind of stopped following football.
2009 – Knew we didn’t have a chance to beat the Colts or Saints and I was still kind of turned off to football because of 2007, so I didn’t care as much. Besides, my other team the Vikings was in the AFCCG.
2010 – Didn’t think we would win the SB, but was mad it was against the Jets. I’d say I was significantly more mad in 2010 then 2007, but I also got over it alot quicker. Even though we lost, it was clear we were getting stronger, whereas after the loss in 2007 it seemed like the dynasty was over.
2011 – If we lose I expect I’ll react similar to how I reacted in 2010.
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by New Century Silver on Jan 21, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I had a bad feeling going into the Super Bowl in 2007, but I did not want to listen to it- after all, they had won 18 games, and had beaten those same Giants to end the regular season.
I was definitely over the 2010 season a lot sooner than the 2007 one- I was up really late that night, but then I slept on it, and in the morning I felt better.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
i cried after SB 42
screamed “f*** u refs there was holding on that david tyree catch” skipped school for two days! two of my teachers were giants fan so i had to hear it until summer break
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by BostonBeasts on Jan 21, 2012 8:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ouch- I had to deal with the pain within the walls of my own house! My little brother was not a Giants fan, but was a Patriots hater (he has tempered with age, but once threatened to burn my jersey with me in it!!). He walked in, seconds after it was over and started jumping around and rubbing salt in the wound.
Work the next day was nowhere near as bad. I was temping at the time, and while I was working in Philly (around plenty of Giants fans, I am sure), the few people who knew I had a rooting interest were also Pats fans.
My little brother has since learned his lesson- when the Pats lost last year he was wonderful (sympathetic and everything)! I think he learned his lesson when I screamed at him during the Pats-Lions game that year about how would he feel if I acted during Packers games the way he did during Pats games!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jan 22, 2012 2:48 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
06 was really a tough one for me
Being from around Indy and just about my entire school at the time knew I was a Pats fan, so it wasn’t exactly easy to ignore that it happened.
by indy pats fan on Jan 21, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not the Same defense
The Ravens are not the same dominate defense they were in 09. The did not look like an overwhelming defense against the Texans. Yates had no idea what he was doing in that game. Brady has too many weapons for the Ravens defense to stop. I say the Pats should have someone on Ray Rice every play. He is more than 50% of the Ravens offense. Make Flacco look somewhere else to make a big play. Limit Ray Rice and the Ravens will struggle on offense. Ravens defense is overrated. Brady should be able to move the chains and score against their defense. Pats win a close one, 30-27. (giving the Ravens 27 points because I do not have much confidence the Pats defense can stop any team from scoring)
Yea
Yates was only hit twice that game against the Ravens; no sacks at all.
And according to the ESPN NFL General board, Brady has the best O-line ever and that’s the only reason why he’s actually good (yes, dumb people, I Know). But assuming Brady’s O-line is close to that good, there’s a good chance Brady will have an ample amount of time to throw, which is bad news for the Ravens.
I also wonder who was in our O-line in ’09. Were they pretty much the same guys, or what?
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I think it was Nick Kaczur at RT in that game
Koppen was uninjured at center, and god only knows who we had at RG. Overall, I’d say we have a better line this year, even with Koppen being injured.
The Ravens consistently rushed 4 or less and dropped 7 or 8 into coverage.
The gameplan was to let (or rather dare) TJ Yates to throw. Despite only 2 hits Yates threw 3 picks. The Ravens led the AFC in sacks in the regular season.
I wouldn’t get comfortable based on the Texans game. The lack of a pass rush was a tactical decision. There is next to no chance the Ravens dare Brady to beat them because unlike Yates he can and would. They’ll rush often and creatively to keep Brady on edge.
Totally agree- in many ways the game plan has to be the opposite of the Texans game for Baltimore- Houston had fewer weapons (Foster and Andre Johnson are beasts), and could be contained in some ways by covering the guys and waiting for mistakes. It is tough to cover up all of the Patriots options, and much easier to hassle Tom Brady to the point where the fact he has multiple open choices does not matter because he is on his back. Brady has proven in recent years to get rattled by defenders in his face.
He will get pressured and sacked. That is for sure.
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by dannijd on Jan 20, 2012 7:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
That was agood game plan for them
It worked. I think the Ravens will mix it up. They will definitely try to bring more pressure, but they will pick their spots when they will disguise coverages and drop guys back into lanes. The key will be the overall protection, and how well Brady is throwing, and how well he can read what thay are trying to do.
I like our O-line right now, and yeah, I’m feeling Brady.
Ravens fan here...
and good post btw. Well written and good point. I agree with it, and hanks for pointing out that the Ravens are a great football tem because we are, and so are the Pats. I don’t think anybody can argue these points.
The way I’ve been feeling about it is either team can win this game. Either one is good enough and its any given Sunday again. The Ravens MUST pressure TB to win this game and we are capable of doing it. The question is will we? The same holds true for the Pats shutting down the run.
The determing factor will be this;
Each team MUST do everything that they do well and execute most of the time in this game to win this game. There is no room here for either team to modify their typical MO.
Whoever does what they do well, and does more than the other guy, is gonna win this football game.
I think its that simple.
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Another thing that I believe....
about our veterans, Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, is that while the media is calling them slow, washed up, and other things, I wouldn’t be fooled by that. These guys tend to show up in these kind of games.
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Yeah you're right, Big Ben doesn't.......
Neither does Bill Billichick.
Just Kidding.
He is definately one of the smartest coaches.
Thye only thing that worrys me is Rex’s prediction. Nothing against him lie you guys have, but he’s not too good at predictions.
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