Report: Patriots Reach Out to Josh McDaniels
by Greg Knopping on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST
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As news developed over the past week that Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien was likely to leave the Patriots for an outside position, many have speculated that the Patriots could bring back a familiar face: former quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.
Last night, it was confirmed that Bill O'Brien would be leaving the team for the vacant head coaching position at Penn State. This morning, Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that the Patriots (and the Chiefs) have requested permission to talk to McDaniels.
Assuming the Patriots view McDaniels as an offensive coordinator candidate, the Rams could deny the Patriots permission to interview him since the job would be a lateral move.
The Rams fired head coach Steve Spagnuolo on Monday, but McDaniels remains under contract for the 2012 season. St. Louis seems to be taking a wait-and-see approach if their new head coach would want to retain McDaniels, but reportedly won't retain him if leading candidate Jeff Fisher is hired.
The next step in this process will be to wait and see whether or not the Rams grant permission for the Patriots to speak to McDaniels. If they do, and the interest between New England and McDaniels is mutual, then I expect things to move quickly. McDaniels is still a valued coaching commodity, and if the Patriots stall, he could end up going to a team like Kansas City (don't forget that McDaniels had a lot of success with quarterback Matt Cassel in 2008, and tried to acquire him from the Patriots in his first year with Denver in the 2009 offseason).
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According to Peter King
Rams have told McD they won’t stop him from leaving.
yes
he was the OC for the best offense in league history
although 90% of it was passes to Welker and Moss
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I really like this
I think we’ve come to a point where BB realizes there is no real option to recruit internally at this point and thus reaching out to Josh McD is the right thing.
McDaniels is a very solid coordinator and would have some new toys to work with (Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ridley and Vereen).
If we could also acquire a great defensive mind to mold our future defense I’d be exstatic.
Love to see McD back.
Allows him to learn to be a future HC under Belichick for a few more seasons (could even replace Belichick [far] down the road should Hoodie elect to retire), while allowing Ferentz and Godsey to develop as potential coaches.
It could be very interesting timing as well if he contributed here during the post-season.
16 weeks of material on our offense under O’Brien, but you have to look back to Cassel in 2008 to see the closest McD plays.
It could be an extra twist that makes the offense harder to predict. Considering we’ll go as far as our offense can carry us….
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
He should be OK under BB's tutelage.
At this moment, hopefully he starts understanding there is more than just playbook & schemes. I always have hope for him but ego is hard to overcome unless real hardship descends (and survives).
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It would certainly bring back an air
of championship potential, get the “team” back together per se.
Bring back championship potential?
We’re the #1 seed in the AFC playoffs—and they haven’t even started yet! Don’t let the McD story tarnish your view of this incredible season.
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BUT BUT BUT WHY YOU NO SUPERBOWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
But yea, point taken. No one seems to care it’s the 2nd straight season we’re the #1 seed, like any ol’ team can do that, these days. We’ll see if it turns into a Super Bowl, but I can nitpick on so many other things that could supposedly put us over the top this season or in future ones. And hey, last time I checked, is McDaniels gonna help our defense get better? Not likely. All the same, he’s an easy upgrade over O’Brien.
I learned how to make a sig just so it can say "DFA Darnell MacDonald". That means it must happen.
by Tai on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
If only for some continuity
Plus it can’t hurt BB to have somebody who was a head coach on his staff. I hope Fischer goes to St. Louis. He’s a good coach – better to see him in the NFC.
McDaniels leaving left a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth.
I wanted him to stay, but at the same time I didn’t want him to stay if he had his mind elsewhere (i.e. On a head coaching job.) But if he comes back now with a deflated head, I think it would be great for the team.
Also, Mr. McDaniels, how would you like to bring Brandon Lloyd with you? He followed you from Denver to St. Louis, so how about one more trek across the US?
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Hmm
I hear Marques Colston and Stevie Johnson are free agents after this season. I dunno, I feel like we should look at these guys first.
I learned how to make a sig just so it can say "DFA Darnell MacDonald". That means it must happen.
by Tai on Jan 6, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Stevie Johnson... No.
Just no. I don’t think he can be mature like Ochocinco and put the team in front of his own interests, as seen last week.
Marques Colston, on the other hand, I would be more interested in. From what I can tell, he hasn’t been a headache to the Saints, and he might be interested in going to a NE offense where he would be a featured receiver.
I can't see NO willingly letting him walk
He’s had excellent chemistry with Brees since he was drafted. If NO lets him walk, it’ll likely be because of him wanting more $$, which a team like the Patriots would not give him. He’s a legitimate #1 WR in his prime; he’ll command top dollar.
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 6, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't get Stevie Johnson because he's immature, I'd skip him because he's like Lebron
Drops gamewinners at the clutch.
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by BrokenbatGrandSlam on Jan 6, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Lloyd has said that he wants to follow McDaniels if possible.
If the Pats want Lloyd, too, he will be one very quickly.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 5:11 AM EST up reply actions
I like what I hear about Brian Ferentz
But Josh is clearly not looking to be an OC for a long time. So McD as OC for a few years, then Ferentz steps in when he gets a few more years of seasoning.
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Right, I see him as a good stop gap measure.
We get some time to groom a replacement, and he gets some time to rebuild his cred.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
If Josh McD is ready to adjust to a 2-TE offense, then bring him in.
However, if he’s still living in the past and wanting to replicate the 2007 season, slowly bringing us back to our base 3-WR offense, no. I’m perfectly happy with the offensive scheme now. And while I can’t do much to voice my opinion, Josh might be the victim of a particular spike.
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I understand not wanting to hurt the 2-TE formations.
I don’t see why they would (remember BB also has say here).
If he can get the 3 WR formations working, though, it makes the team even more difficult to stop. More looks that the defense has to plan for.
Maybe the best of both worlds, especially if Gronk and Herndo went wide TURNING a 2-TE set into a 3-WR set.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think the concern is trying to force the offense to do something that it's not suited for.
It makes no sense to try out 3 TE sets when you have only one WR that is better than competent and two insanely talented TEs. They would have to make some personnel moves during the offseason and maybe transition Hernandez to a more pure WR-type role, which may take away some of his effectiveness. But there’s no one formula for success. McD is a good coach and I don’t really worry about him mucking things up, especially if Brady is under center.
I understand that concern, but we've also got Belichick.
He switched to 4-3 because the personnel favored 4-3. We run more 2 or 3 TE sets because Gronk and Herndo are Gronk and Herndo. I don’t think that changes much.
We ran 3 WR sets under Josh because Moss and Welker were phenominal, and Gaffney and Stallworth were more reliable than David Thomas, Ben Watson, and Kyle Brady. Although, I might note that we beat the Chargers in the playoffs in 2007 based on multiple TE formations (they’d shut down Moss and limited Welker).
McD also traded for Gronk’s brother after Gronk’s rookie season started so favorably.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
we can run diff formations with 21 personnel
such as 3 Receivers w/ Hernandez in the slot
4 Receivers w/ both TE’s in the slot
Empty w/ RB on trips side
Put Hernandez in the backfield as an H-back
or the conventional 2 TE
For more craziness- a 3 WR and 2 TE formation
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I disagree
I want him to go 3-WR sets. We have the TEs, they know Brady, Brady knows them, they’re good, its somewhat of a completed project. At this point, however, we don’t even have 3 reliable WRs. Play 3-WR with McDaniels improving it as much as possible, but unlike in 2007 we’ll have the TEs to fall back on if necessary.
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by New Century Silver on Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Which they did against the Chargers in the 2007 playoffs under McD.
Lots of multiple TE sets.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
this opens the door for more 3 WR 2 TE sets
it has worked when the patriots used it against denver and miami
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No, he's not looking to the past.
In 2009, he drafted a TE in the 2nd round. In 2011, the Rams drafted one in the 2nd, too. He knows where its at.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
Can some1 give me a list of FA WRs that are possibly up for grabs this year?
I know Desean Jackson, Reggie Wayne, and a whole bunch of others are – few names please?
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by New Century Silver on Jan 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions
touche
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Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
To name a few
Mike Wallace (restricted), Wes Welker, Dwayne Bowe, M. Colston, V. Jackson, Reggie Wayne, Stevie Johnson, Brandon Lloyd, Robert Meachem, Laurent Robinson, Pierre Garcon, Mario Manningham, Steve Smith, Braylon Edwards and Jerome Simpson.
Wayne or Lloyd
are the only names I see us legitimately pursuing. Both would be (relatively) cheap, and I think either would be up to the task of playing with Brady through the twilight of their careers. Lloyd would be an easy acquisition if McDaniels decided to come back. Wayne’s status is up in the air depending on Manning, I would think.
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Lloyd has said he will follow McDaniels around.
It might be a 2-4-1 type of deal.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
There are a bunch
Brandon Lloyd, Vincent Jackson, Robert Meachem, Dwayne Bowe, Mario Manningham. Quite the collection.
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my top choice is meachem
New England Patriots: 11-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, Chiefs, Eagles, Colts, Redskins, and Broncos.
I figure one of Colston or Meachem will be available.
They’re more likely to keep Colston.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Belichick is looking for a new name for his boat: VI Rings sounds pretty good.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 6, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I would absolutely LOVE getting Lloyd
I think he is the perfect fit in NE. Smart player, good routes, deep speed, hard worker, exp in NE system
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I would too
But who does this leave out, can’t have tons of wr with other positions to man.
Rb- law firm, woody, vereen, Ridley
Fb-???? Polite, 07 we had heath miller in mcd offense
Wr- welker, lloyd, branch, ocho, ….
I say edleman goes DB full time, I see him as revolutionizing slot DB with converted small slot wr. Makes sense as cb is more prevalent with 3 n 4 wr sets now
I want a playbook 1/2 two te balanced run pass, 1/3 3 wr balanced but lil pass heavy and what’s left as 2 wr gronk and hb and fb formation Brady under center run heavy with pa plays
Work bob 2 te, mcd 3 wr and oldschool Weiss fb Corey dillon run era pa and running attack. 30+ everygamecwith the ability to close out the 4th.
by gnatecolby on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
heath evans
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Yeah what I meant
Had a perry moment.
by gnatecolby on Jan 7, 2012 3:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We don't need Ocho next year
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it was cool
but they were losing a lot of money
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We should get a happy medium from 3 WR and 2 TE sets
by combining them for 3 WR and 2 TE sets about 20% of the time
and 3-1-1 15%
and 2-2-1 65%
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