Brady playoff performances on decline, what this means
Margin for error in this game is slim to none...like this is an announcement..huh?
Brady has been average in the playoffs over the last five games. Why? Who knows, but his numbers aren't what they used to be. So BB gonna run the ball 60 times? I didn't say that. Brady will pitch and he will pitch a lot, can he make enough money on the NY secondary to win? Yes.
The Patriots will win because their defense has a better chance of defeating the NYG offense than Brady has of beating the NYG defense.
Patriots Defense is the wild card. Not Brady. If he is what he has been the last 3 years (besides the scrimmage against Denver) the Patriots D will need to carry us....will they? Yes the D has been on an arc since mid season...look out.
The views expressed in these FanPosts are not necessarily those of the writers or SBNation.
31 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
So apparently
throwing 5 touchdowns and being almost perfect and turning in one of the best postseason performances in NFL HISTORY doesn’t count, eh?
You remind me of Jerry Thornton’s article.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
by D.S.T. on Feb 1, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think it was actually 6.
Strengthening your point even further.
Denver is a half-team, so any win against them in the regular season or postseason is asterisked. Remember that.
Can I Scream?
Oh, and last I checked
Brady’s postseason performances weren’t so hot at the beginning of his career either.
Were you refering to 2007? Wasn’t that the year he crushed the postseason and won the Super Bowl..oh wait.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
The point of the post was made based on QB rating stats and how I see the game
As in the post….MINUS the Denver game Brady’s QB rating has been average in Playoff games over the last three years.
The rest of the opinion is mine, just like my last 47 posts.
I dont understand this "dropoff" statement
Every QB’s QBR drops in the playoffs because they are facing the best teams and defenses of that year. The only difference between now and the beginning of his career in the playoffs is his W/L record and it would be completely unrealistic to expect the trend of 10-0 to continue throughout his career. It was, after all, a record.
by DrJgopatsgators on Feb 1, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree...
if you don’t count the games in which Brady played well, his performance is definitely in decline. The same can be said for his regular season performance: take out the games in which he’s played well, and you can clearly see a quarterback in decline. The same is true of Eli Manning, or any other quarterback for that matter.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
by rebop on Feb 1, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
OMG THE WHOLE LEAGUE IS DECLINING
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
Yes but lets play devils advocate and remove the Baltimore game
OMG his stats become skewed positively. Now lets remove the Broncos game, wow they become skewed negatively!
The fact of the matter is Brady has not be great the last stretch of postseason games. But the 09 team was a joke. 2010 the Jets outright outplayed the Patriots in every regard. Broncos game Brady was phenomenal, and Ravens game he played poorly, but not as negatively as the stats would show.
Its never as good or bad as it seems. Just like in the Superbowl stretch Brady was not some statistical demon that people credit him to be. But he won! Guess what though those were complete teams.
To think that the defense is the linchpin of this game is asinine. To think that Brady alone will win this game is equally absurd. It needs to be a full team effort. The defense has to create turnovers and make stops on 3rd downs.
Bradys offense has to limit turnovers and create an uptempo pace because the Giants D is not good against that.
by Timberg193 on Feb 1, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Uhh no
Vs Ravens in 2009 Brady didn’t have welker, throwing to edelman and a double covered moss
Vs Jets: 2TD’s 1in 89 rating…not up to his usual standards but it wasn’t terrible
Vs Ravens: He still had the go ahead TD and drove the team down field to the red zone 5/6 times and the go head TD…Ravens defense is the best in the red zone btw. His int were on great defensive plays by the ravens.
Oh right there was that Broncos game…but that doesn’t count right?
There is some truth in what this author says...
Brady has started to falter in big games as of late. Sure, the Patriots win a ton of games by double-figures, but the close ones tend to be losses if you look at a more recent picture.
So... the Pats are 15-3
Week 3 loss: 31-34 (3 points)
Week 8 loss: 17-25 (8 points)
Week 9 loss: 20-24 (4 points)
Three losses for the season by a total of 15 points. What that tells me is that even the games they lost were close. Why are you painting that as a bad thing? Would you be more comfortable if they lost by double digits?
If you’re suggesting they shouldn’t have lost at all, then that’s asking a tad bit much wouldn’t you say?
Keep the faith!
I think he just means that Brady
hasn’t played well in a lot of the close losses or wins we’ve been in. The Steelers, Giants, Ravens, and Cowboys. The Giants, Cowboys, and Ravens should have been double digit wins because the defense played great and they set up our O very nicely those games, but Brady just didn’t play very well and we ended up either barely winning or barely losing (we had no business losing that Giants game they had scored A GRAND TOTAL OF 10 pts WHEN THE 4TH QTR BEGAN).
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
Don't get me wrong.. Brady has played well
I’m just stating a point that Brady in big games now is different than Brady in big games before when the Patriots won SBs. To be fair, let’s just look at this year and last year’s seasons (13-3, 14-2 respectively). For starters, these kinds of records are incredible. It just proves what a great system New England has established.
Our recent losses have largely been a result of poor play by Brady. The defense has played well and deserves much more credit than they have been given thus far. I’m just noticing a startling trend that Brady seems to have lost that killer instinct in the 4th qtr when the game is on the line. He plays incredible when we are up by multiple scores but in close games, great performances are not as common in certain junctures during the game.
Against the Ravens, I remember Brady throwing a terrible pick the first play just after Brandon Spikes make a huge interception to stop the Raven’s offensive possession. I thought he was entirely too overzealous and put his team in a very dire situation to possibly lose the AFCCG. To his credit, he did make that incredible TD on a QB sneak. But last year, he really didn’t show up against a Jet’s team that we had the ability to dismantle.
I’m just seeing that it’s not so much the defense failing to stop the other team, its our offense stopping ourselves. Too many missed opportunities will seal any team’s fate.
I beg to differ
Brady over the years had that playoff mystique about him because he was able to make late drives or just pull out tough wins versus teams that were supposedly much better than the pats. Let’s look at his stats from the 2003 and 2004 playoff runs:
2004
Vs Indy: 18/27 for 144 yds 1 td pass and 1 rush td
Vs Pitt: 14/21 for 207 yds 2 td pass
Vs Phi: 23/33 for 236 yds 2 td pass
2003
Vs Ten: 21/41 for 201 yds 1 td pass
Vs Indy: 22/37 for 237 yds 1 td pass 1 Int
Vs Car: 32/48 for 354 yds 3 td pass 1 Int
Looking at that production, in only one of those games would you call it “Brady like production” that we are used to now. One could argue that he is playing exactly as he always has in the playoffs. Even in 05, 06 and 07 playoff wins he made mistakes. He had really good games and really bad ones. He is a great QB but let’s lower that pedestal a bit.
The recent trend
of Brady’s poor play being responsible for six losses in 35 games? What about the 29 wins? Not good enough? In that Jets game (they lost by 7 points), Alge Crumpler dropped a sure TD, remember? Brady was also sacked 5 times which isn’t all on him.
I’m not saying he’s perfect, but I don’t expect him to be – I expect him to make mistakes during a game, but also to make more positive plays than negative ones. Sometimes, the Patriots and Brady play some pretty good defenses and against some pretty good coaches who are determined to stop him (Ryan brothers anyone?) That’s just competitive football.
Keep the faith!
The Patriots will win because their defense has a better chance of defeating the NYG offense than Brady has of beating the NYG defense.
This statement I find not entirely true, as the Giants can stretch the field and expose the Pats more than the Pats can do to the Giants, especially with Gronk not healthy.
I think the defense makes us have a great chance, but Brady needs to win this game for us by not trying...
to win it all on his own. Get BJGE involved and set up some play action. Defense will make the plays and Tom just needs to be cool and calm and do his thang when needed. I would love for him to be the MVP more than anything because then you know we played a great game
The game changer...
News flash! Brady doesn’t need any of us to give him advice or an “update” on his performances. The reason is HE has already a proven track record over the last 12 years! Hello!! This year was clearly a show effort as a team to perform as a whole. In November the PATS made huge changes. To rid the team of sour performances and attitude. That was a proven win, win for the PATS! QB alone DOES NOT win football games! My observation was the team made sizeable changes to its D line and tested it out. Game by game. Brady was not the subject for IMPROVEMENT for the PATS. A smart move coachs. In the long run… Brady will do what Brady has always done. This year the PATS “team” will win this prize! WTG PATS!
by Miss Football on Feb 2, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
If you're going to ignore the Broncos game...
Ignore the Ravens game as well. Brady NEVER plays well against the Ravens. In the 2007 regular season, the Ravens game was, by far, the closest one we came to losing, and by all rights we should have lost (thanks Rex!).
by CanadianPatriotsFan on Feb 2, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions
I think everyone is talking past each other, a bit.
Has Brady had some uncharacteristically bad playoff performances since 2007? Yes. He’s also had some good ones, but nothing has (or likely ever will) match the historic run from 2001-2004. We really have to stop looking at that as the norm and realize that it was really a once-in-a-lifetime run.
Conversely, can you take a few mediocre performances against very good defenses and extrapolate out that Brady is declining? I don’t think so. He’s consistently, almost uniformly, played extremely well in every game in his career. His QB skills look sharper now than perhaps ever before. I don’t think anyone can reasonably conclude that he’s declining. We can acknowledge the existence of some sub-par performances without forecasting Brady’s demise as a player.
No playoff game is a scrimmage
Brady tossed six TD’s against one of the NFL’s better defenses. You can’t just throw that out the window.
Besides, Brady has never been a guy to put up huge postseason numbers. The only stat that Brady really has accumulated in the postseason is the only one that matters: WINS.
It's the "as of late" or "lately" thing that I don't see.
He’s never been stellar in the post-season relative to his in-season performance. What he has been is consistently better than other post-season quarterbacks.
"Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game."
"The longer they play, the more they lose. In the end, we get it all."
Stats don't necessarily explain the entire story here...
If Brady throws for 210 yds, 1 TD and 1 INT, its a rather lackluster game for him. Conversely, he could throw for roughly 300 yds and 3TDs and 1 INT. But the time at which the TD and the INT occur are critical. What I’ve noticed the past few seasons is when the game is on the line and the Patriots are trying to either take the lead on a final drive or break the tie, he hasn’t been getting the job done as he had in the past. I’ve seen on numerous occasions him completely overthrowing his receivers or throwing a bad pick with an ill-timed bad decision. It happens to everyone and its impossible for a player to always execute flawlessly. But Brady’s time is ticking and I understand no one wants to hear their star QB is having a decline, but it happens.
what games are you referring to?
He isn’t “God” as a cocky player would say. He cannot win every game, and if he does have the opportunity to win and doesn’t deliver it doesn’t mean he is on the decline. Yes I am biased to Tom, but you totally discrediting the games he DOES come back. They may not be last second drives to win the game, but much more often than not any time we desperately need a score, Tom delivers. He did after all score the go-ahead td vs the Ravens no?
I’m not saying TB12 isn’t getting older, but putting up 5200 yards and 39 tds this season he is playing as good as football ever.
by BAMF. on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yikes.
Excuse some of the horrible grammar. Cell phone messes up often.
by BAMF. on Feb 3, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just don't think he had a lot of opportunites this year
which is actually a good thing for the team. As noted, he drove for the go ahead td against the Giants, leaving them with 1:36 to take advantage of Tracy White and Sergio Brown. He won the Dallas game and left them only 30 seconds or so, and of course, he did get the go ahead td against the Ravens, to take, and keep the lead in the 4th quarter. The only game I remember TB blowing it this year was the Redskins game, with that ill advised pass, that could have allowed Washington to tie it late, but the D did it’s job. And I know you’re not counting what, was it 40 or so second to work with against the Steelers.
You have to wonder about Eli, give him credit for having a great 4th quarter season, but why do you need so many comebacks? It tells me that he can be clutch, but also the team is not particularly good at protecting a lead, or taking a large enough lead to where you don’t need the 4th quarter heroics.

by 




























