Fun With Predictions: Pats Moves, FA and Draft
Let's start with Brian Hoyer. Pats are reportedly shopping him to try and get a second-round pick, so let's assume they get a third round pick.
Let's assume the Pats trade back their second 1st-rounder(to whomever wants to jump infront of the Giants and Colts in selecting a TE) into next year and get a late-2nd round in exchange. Which is great because the Pats will try to trade a 2nd rounder back into 2013, too. How'd you think they got 33rd overall last year?
So the Pats may have a late-1st rounder, a mid-second, let's say a late-second, and maybe two third-rounders.
With approximately twenty million in capspace to spend, the Pats will franchise-tag Wes Welker. Let's hope he deals well with it. It's already being reported and further suggests that the Pats are obviously looking to stock-up in free-agency. They're ridiculously-high in terms of caproom. So let's look at the positions the Pats will look to upgrade;
I think we can assume that Brandon Lloyd is being brought in to upgrade the starting WR corps. They'll probably either try to retain Chad Johnson/Deion Branch at a discount or maybe pickup someone else up, but Lloyd looks destined unless something goes wrong. They'll also draft for this position to build for the future given Welker, Lloyd, Johnson, and Branch are all over 30. I'd like to wait for the combine to get a better feel for 2nd/3rd round targets at WR. Don't be surprised if they once again draft in pairs for their Offense. I can see them going for a WR in the 1st round at 27th on only one condition;
That DT/DE Michael Brockers, DT/DE Fletcher Cox, C Peter Konz, DE/OLB Nick Perry are not available but WR Mohamed Sanu is. The Pats need to upgrade their D-Line outside of the nose-tackle position, where Kyle Love and Vince WIlfork have covered. They need a true 3-4 DE to add some youth after Gerard Warren and Shaun Ellis. It should be noted that Vince Wilfork isn't getting younger, and the Pats need to start building for the future here. The Ron Brace experiment does not look to be going well. If Brockers and Cox are both gone by #27, then I expect the Pats to aim for Jared Crick in the mid-second round. Shaun Ellis and Gerard Warren should be brought back at a reasonable cost given their age. Do you prefer someone else for DT/DE?
Also for the defense, the Pats will continue barnstorming the FA-market. In addition to bringing in another wideout(and drafting one) I suspect the Pats will try snagging a Safety. Wouldn't it be great if we could find a starting-calibre Safety who already worked with a McCourty-twin and is in his prime? We can, but will we get him? The Pats will draft for young talent at the WR corps and the D-Line because of a combination of age and talent, sure, but the DB corps is both young and in need of talent. I could still see them trying to get Markel Martin or Harrison Smith in the late-second round or maybe Chase Minnifield in the mid-2nd round with the Raiders pick but the Pats really I think will try to pick up a starting-calibre vet to play with Chung. Goldston or Griffin, guys? I figure one of them will be a Patriot for 2012.
As for the Center-dilemma, I think it's unlikely that the Pats go looking for a vet. They'll keep Connolly for a little longer. They'll try getting Mike Brewster or Ben Jones somewhere in the 3rd round. If Fletcher Cox and Michael Brockers are both unavailable by the 27th overall but Peter Konz is available, I really believe the Pats would go for him to be the center-piece of a rungame fueled by Shane Vereen(2nd round last year) and Stevan Ridley(3rd round last year). I think in the later-rounds they'll look at Guards as well if someone looks to be of the right talent-level for the pick.
As for Nick Perry, if he's available at 27th but Brockers/Cox/Konz/Sanu are gone then they'll take him. Mark Anderson will be back, and they'll still have Rob Ninkovich, but I won't be surprised if the Pats go for him or another DE/OLB hybrid-type to add depth/talent. Jermaine Cunningham is in for a tough camp.
So to sum up the predictions;
Through FA;
Pats will get WR Brandon Lloyd to play alongside Welker. They'll also get either S Michael Griffin or S Dashon Goldston to upgrade the secondary and probably take a low-cost/high-reward gamble on someone else at another position or three.
Through the draft, let's predict one 1st rounder, two 2nds, two 3rds, and one 4th for New England;
At DT/DE, Pats will try for either Brockers/Cox in the 1st or Jared Crick/Jerel Worthy at mid-second. I think they'll grab one of them or look for someone else in the late-2nd.
At C, Pats will try for either Peter Konz in the 1st or Mike Brewster/Ben Jones in the 3rd. I think they'll grab one of them to at least build O-Line depth but also to see if they can do better than Dan Connolly.
At WR, Pats will try for either Mohamed Sanu in the 1st round or a pair of WRs between the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Think it'd be crazy for the Pats to draft two WRs? They drafted two Linemen(Solder, Cannon) and two RBs(Vereen, Ridley) last year and two TEs the year before.
At DB, CB Janoris Jenkins is probably the only prospect the Pats would spend a 1st-rounder for. CB Chase Minnifield at mid-2nd would be a steal. Pats might want to build depth here incase Ras-i-Dowling gets hurt again and McCourty continues to struggle. The late-2nd or early-3rd might be a good place if Harrison Smith or Markel Martin are there but this is mostly-depending on who else is still on the board as it's mostly a 3rd S spot they'd be vying for.
At DE/OLB, it's Nick Perry ar 1st, maybe Andre Branch at mid-2nd, or someone else. I'll have a better feel for mid-range picks after the Combine.
At S, we'll see who's around at late-2nd or 3rd round. Pats aren't going for Mark Barron. Shouldn't a 1st-round Safety show some competence for man-coverage?
What this all means is the Pats are surely going to be stocked and loaded heading into the 2012 season. The Pats are going to have an easy time keeping the talent from the 2011 season and a fun time adding talent where they need it most. No other team looks to be better-positioned than the Pats for the off-season, and I'm not just saying that as a fan. We have a lot to look forward to.
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I’m with you and can only reiterate my thought that if we were to get Michael Griffin (even at a somewhat high price) it would open up possibilities for us to go elsewhere with our picks, since as you point out the safety class is rather weak behind Mark Barron.
expanding on the weakness of safeties (in the 2012 draft)
I don’t mean that Markelle Martin or Harrison wouldn’t mean we upgrade the position but I have the feeling neither is polished enough to warrant instant reward for us.
I see holes to their game and a bit of rawness but I haven’t studied either of them in depth yet. In my eyes only Mark Barron offers instant starting ability.
I also believe there are interesting corners that might get a clear second-round grade after the scouting process has run it’s due course (like Jamell Fleming for example).
My hope is that their will be a big-bodied without with the ability to get some separation (read Alshon Jeffery, Michael Floyd, Mohamed Sanu) available for us, that would make us even more potent on offense.
I don't think we'll get a safety in the 2nd round. I think the lack of overall safety talent will have BB looking for one in the 3rd or 4th.
Since the talent wouldn’t be too far off.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I was big on Alshon,
but the more I hear about him the more worried I am. I doubt we’ll have a shot at Floyd, and Sanu would be a great pickup; but over a talent like DT/DE Michael Brockers or DT/DE Fletcher Coxat #27? Not so sure.
I’m not opposed to drafting young players who are still raw. The draft is more about the future than the present. But yeah, Michael Griffin would be an awesome pickup
It is what it is
Chad or Branch...
Branch has a lower ceiling, but the Patriots k ow what they are getting from him- a decent receiver (and excellent route runner) who has a good rapport with Brady.
Chad (I am calling him by his first name because we don’t know what last name he will ultimately have) is more of a gamble to me- He has a higher ceiling, but will a full off season be enough for him and Brady to get on the same page (if the relationship can even be repaired)?
I think if the money was equal (and it would have to be a team friendly deal either way), I would go with Branch over Chad, particularly if Lloyd or another big play threat were to also be signed.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Feb 10, 2012 3:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Chad(with a restructured deal) is more likely than Branch.
Especially if he’s Chad Johnson. Ultimately, Branch is slowing down and struggling with man-coverage. If he comes back it’s as 3rd or 4th WR. Even if Ocho comes back it’s not as a feature-WR. Pats will hope that can be Lloyd and/or one of their draft picks.
It is what it is
So, what does the new rookie salary system mean for our strategy
in moving down draft boards?
It was an obvious choice in the past with early first-rounders commanding huge deals.
Does this alter our strategy? I still see the reasoning for acquiring extra picks but the benefit of not dishing out huge money to unproven kids is not as big a factor it seems.
The trade-backs will continue because otherwise,
what happens to always-successful teams will happen to the Pats; they’ll be constantly locked in bad draft position and will be unable to get top-talent out of the draft. That can hurt overtime. The Pats got to tradeback because it gives them shots at better talent for the future and because they can still take a shot at a 2nd rounder. Otherwise, the Pats will always be somewhere between 25-32 in draft selection.
Pats were able to pick up Nate Solder(amongst others) because they had the 17th overall pick from Oakland. What’d the Pats do? Use the 1st-rounder they got from Oakland and then used their late-20’s pick to get a 2nd rounder and trade back into this year. The Pats will get to draft ahead of the Packers, Ravens, and 49ers despite have progressed further than them in the post-season. The Packers like the Pats need to upgrade their DT/DE and maybe OLB department, while the Ravens and 49ers both might want a WR or a C like the Pats do. Who knows what the Pats might end up having next year?
It is what it is
This may help BB get Barron
Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about being AFC Champs?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"
I'm smelling a situation
close to that of Gronkowski…
Let’s hope the Patriots medical team outplays their opponents ones on this one to.
Far too early to tell if this really means anything to Barron’s status though (as the report indicated)
Nope, I still say pass on Barron.
It is what it is
This guy is a 7th rounder. Look to have potential for a FS/SS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TZholHL9V4
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Pats don't currently have a 7th rounder to spend
It is what it is
No reason to think they would end up with one during the draft
or that McCray would go as an UDFA.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
A few possibilities for S in 2012
Brandin Hardin Oregon State University
Tysyn Hartman Kansas State
Brian Peters Northwestern
Tavon Wilson Illinois
Trumaine Johnson Montana
Stephon Gilmore S Carolina
The last three play CB but have the physicality to possibly move to S.
Trumaine would be interesting....
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Remember it is Belichick
He will trade two picks. One of the trades will be a couple of spots down and one of them will be 2013……the reason for the above? This is his pattern.
He will head for big SEC linemen either O or D.
My guess is if he sees the D lineman with good value early in the draft he will take him.
He has gone through a raft of DB’s recently. I suggest DB’s in the second. FA Lloyd guess sound good with McDaniels…but Brady is doing the throwing.
He will keep Hoyer. Backup grows in importance with Brady’s age and the Arkansas kid will be on the bench again this year…not ready to be #1 backup yet. If Hoyer went they would get a Vet as #2.
Doesn’t like to draft pass rushers. Why would this change?
O line looks ok Beyond C.
He’s a value freak. Look at Cannon, Dowling and Mallet…he just plain could NOT resist the value proposition on each of those “early projected first rounders.” He picked em’ all now didn’t he?
BB's got a great record and...
he’s making the cut at Pebble Beach in a hoodie.
Come see the violence inherent in the system, help help I'm being repressed.
by sweetjesusihatethejets on Feb 11, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions
I've got a Pats Draft Prediction:
Someone that, according to Pats Pulpit consensus, is perfect for our team will fall or be available at #27 and BB will trade out of the pick. Happens almost every year. Either that or the player we all want will get passed over and he’ll draft a player that we dont think we need.
love your predictions
exactly how i feel. if we can get jenkins (an absolute stud!!) in second round i would be ecstatic, if not i would be happy with minnifield. both also help immensely in the return game (a huge area of need). i would love cox or brockers in that order at 27. and as much as i would love konz i do not see how we get all three (since you know we aint keeping the 31st) so im guessing we will take either brewster, jones, or blake. then get criner and streeter in late 2nd and 3rd round. and sign lloyd avery and goldson in free agency. resign welker (for right price which better not be more than vjax cuz i much prefer vjax and lloyd to welker and lloyd) and anderson.
My Dream Offseason:
FA re-sign Welker & Anderson, acquire Brandon Lloyd & Michael Griffin. Release BJGE, Chad Ochocinco, Deion Branch.
Turn picks 31 & 48 into pick 15 and get Trent Richardson (he’s not likely to be around then but it’s not totally implausible either)
Pick Peter Konz @ 27
60 & our 3rd / 4th rounders go to defense and a WR.
If there’s any more cap room it would be nice to see us bring in another quality free agent DL.
Offense:
QB: Brady – Hoyer / Mallett
C: Konz – Connelly
G: Waters / Mankins – Cannon
T: Light / Vollmer – Solder
TE: Gronk / Hernandez
WR: Welker / Lloyd – Edelman / a pick
RB: Richardson – Ridley / Vereen
Lining up Welker Lloyd Gronk Hernandez Richardson means we can run with the best RB prospect since AP behind 7 excellent blockers or pass with 4 elite pass catchers and an RB who’s supposed to be good in pass protection & catching. Considering we have a great O-line, often have 2 TEs on the field, and teams focus on the past against us we have everything in place for an awesome running game. All we need is the elite RB. With that piece I really think this could be the best offense ever assembled.
Defense:
S: Chung, Griffin
CB: McCourty, Dowling – Arrington
ILB: Mayo, Spikes
OLB: Anderson, Ninkovich
DL: Wilfork, Love, Deaderick
Great at S, ILB. Solid at OLB. Good at CB depending on McCourty getting back to where he was. DL is merely decent aside from Wilfork but hopefully we could draft one at 60 and/or bring in an FA (Kendall Langford? Calais Campbell? Paul Soliai?) if there’s room. I think this defense has potential to be very good overall.
based on history alone
I doubt BB would trade up in the 1st round and especially not for a RB. It would make even less sense considering the draft picks dedicated to the position just last year. Also, Brandon Lloyd isn’t worth it. They would have to sign him for less than 4 mil a year for it to be worth it, imo.
Have to disagree
with the ‘All we need is the elite RB’ philosophy. I’ve become a fan of the committee and keeping BJGE, Ridley and Vereen. Since they went for two last draft I don’t see them packaging two picks to move up to get one, no matter how good he may be. As long as they have Tom Brady, it will be a pass first offense and in my opinion they’d be more likely to go WR than another RB.
Keep the faith!
Committee is alright
I just think our offense has every element of a great running game (OL, 2TE sets, defense scared of the pass) except a good RB.
Defenses never had to worry much about BJGE. Ridley fumbled twice in less than 100 carries and was outcompeted by BJGE by playoff time. Vereen was injured. Woodhead was a lot less effective than he was in 2010. I think Richardson would be a huge upgrade and BB isn’t shy about picking at a position he’s picked at recently.
Even in a pass-first offense, Richardson would get more touches than any individual receiver. And he could provide a big benefit to our passing game too by catching out of the backfield and blocking.
With an effective runner and a decent deep threat, we’d be able to do it all on offense.
That last sentence is dead on
especially with the solid O-line the Patriots maintain
Keep the faith!
Our running game isn't great
but it’s good enough. Let’s give Vereen and Ridley a chance to show what they’ve got over a full hopefully healthy season with a full offseason under their belt. BJGE is reliable as long as we don’t have to pay too much to keep him. If we can get Brandon Lloyd in FA, re-sign Welker, BGJE, Anderson, Connolly and Koppen,we’re set for 2012. Then if we can get Konz at No. 27, we can use the rest of our picks to shore up the defense, maybe picking up a young WR in the 3rd or 4th round. Then we’re set for the next few years as well.
by poindexterregan on Feb 19, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions

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