New England Patriots Links 2/14/12 - Arrington Optimistic About Young Defense; Media Weighs in on Moss
by Marima on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 AM EST
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PrintKaren Guregian says Kyle Arrington is ready to see what this young defense can accomplish in 2012, with a full offseason program.
"We’re a relatively young team," Arrington said. "We’re looking forward to improving individually as players and collectively as a team. We should be right back where we want to be this time next year."
"We’ll start from scratch. That’s what we’ll work on from Day 1," he said. "We just need to be around each other more. I think that will benefit us a lot. With the offseason program, we’ll be working out together, watching film together, hanging out together, just being together more. It’ll be beneficial for everyone."
What would Arrington like to do better? "There’s always areas of improvement. Basically you’re just trying to turn your weaknesses into strengths," he said. "Build on what you do well. You always work to try to be the complete player. A lot of the self-scouting, which I did last season, I think I made some improvement in areas of my game I needed from last season. It’s still not good enough. I’ll continue to work on those."
Mike Reiss posts some key NFL dates ahead for 2012.
Feb. 20 -- First day for clubs to designate franchise or transition players.
Feb. 22-28 -- NFL Combine (media access Feb. 23-Feb. 26).
March 1 -- Clubs no longer required to grant permission to another club to discuss position of head coach with an assistant coach.
March 5 -- Deadline to designate franchise or transition tag players (prior to 4 p.m. ET).
March 13 -- Free agency begins at 4 p.m. ET, marking start of 2012 league year (trading begins).
March 26-28 -- NFL annual meeting (Palm Beach, Fla) -- compensatory draft picks awarded etc.
April 2 -- Clubs that hired a new head coach at end of '11 regular season may begin offseason programs.
April 16 -- Clubs with a returning head coach may begin offseason workout programs.
April 20 -- Deadline for signing of offer sheets by restricted free agents.
April 26-28 -- NFL Draft.
TEAM TALK
- Paul Perillo has had enough of the Moss dance.
- Patriots.com posts a list of Super Bowl records set or tied in Super Bowl XLVI.
- "Super People" take dream trip to Super Bowl, courtesy of the Kraft family.
- Patriots' Berlichick makes cut at AT&T National Pro-Am.
LOCAL LINKS
- Greg A. Bedard reports the Patriots were but a few plays from being world champions, and that is a resounding success, no matter how it happened.
- Ian Rapoport explains why the situation around WR Brandon Lloyd got a little more complicated recently for the Patriots.
- Christopher Price notes Kyle Arrington is intent on getting away from football so he can come back stronger in the spring.
- Tom E. Curran sees the Patriots in prime spending shape with the opportunity to carry over last year's under-the-cap balance and lack of multiple big-ticket free agents.
- Karen Guregian reports Randy Moss wants back in the game.
- Mike Reiss offers his opinion on whether Randy Moss should be on the Patriots radar as a WR to pursue.
- Christopher Price gives us five reasons why Randy Moss won't be back with the Patriots.
- Tedy Bruschi thinks that a return to the Patriots for Randy Moss is a possibility.
- Tom E. Curran talks about the 'tepid' interest the Patriots had in Randy Moss in '11. (1.36 min. video)
- Mike Reiss posts Chad Reuter's first round mock draft selections for the Patriots.
- Tedy Bruschi (ESPN) Biggest Pats need is DB help. (1 min. video)
- Mary Paoletti asks if we want to watch Rob Gronkowski spike a hockey puck? Of course we do.
NATIONAL NEWS
- Joe Fortenbaugh (Nat'l Football Post) Will anyone bite on Randy Moss?
- James Walker (ESPN) Does Randy Moss fit in AFC East?
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) With Moss returning, Pats are the first team to watch.
- Report (ESPN Stats & Info) Five things to remember about Moss.
- Steve Wyche (NFL.com) Moss' agent claims interest, but final options could be limited.
- Andrew Brandt (Nat'l Football Post) Raiders cut Routt; Randy Moss wants back in.
- Jason Cole (Yahoo! Sports) Randy Moss' NFL return hinges on his dedication.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Cris Carter says Randy Moss can still run a 4.3.
- Nate Davis (USA Today) NFLN's Evans: Moss can run 4.35 40, says Owens is 'cancer'.
- Video (ESPN) Wendy Nix with Sterling Moore on 'NFL32'. (3.17 min. clip)
- Will Brinson (CBS Sports) What players will get franchise tagged in 2012?
- Gil Brandt (NFL.com) Hot 100: The best 2012 prospects heading into April.
- Wes Bunting (Nat'l Football Post) NFL Combine snubs: Offense.
- Alex Marvez (Fox Sports) NFL looks to enhance fan experience. Robert Kraft offers some thoughts.
- Michael David Smith (ProFootballTalk) NFL examines how the stadium can compete with the couch.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) New RFA rules should end three-year deals for draft picks.
- Mike Florio (ProFootballTalk) Weekend rewind: Teams can carry over cap space.
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The answer to Moss isn't a one that fans ought to say yes or no to.
He ought to be a part of the Patriots due diligence, just as any other free agent is. If they feel he should be on the 80 man roster, then that’s the way it will be despite what any of us says. It’s still a LONG way to the 53 man roster.
If Moss cracks that, then he is the best man standing. Belichick doesn’t play favorites. Yes, Moss isn’t a long term solution, but then again, neither is Brady. BB will field the best team he can (and still fit into the salary cap) this year.
If Moss isn’t a part of that then no problem. I don’t think they should approach him any differently than Wayne, Colston, Meachem, Lloyd, or any other free agent.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions
moss isn't going to command a big contract and will likely sign in New England if he gets an offer from BB
Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about being AFC Champs?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"
by freeland1787 on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Pats offered him a 1-year contract last year
but Moss wanted a 3-year deal, didn’t get one and retired. It will be interesting to see what happens here. I was rooting for him to succeed and wanted the Vikes gig to work out – as much as I can’t stand Childress – for Moss’ sake. If the Pats bring him back, it will be because they came to an agreement – both monetarily and in spirit, where it is made clear what the team’s expectations of him will be. Unless Moss had a fundamental change in attitude, though, I don’t see him coming back to NE – especially after reading Michael Holley’s War Room. It sounded as if the Pats knew he was a ticking time bomb and made the best of what could have been an explosive situation.
Keep the faith!
But the Vikings and Titans thing was, well, a disaster
so I don’t think he can come in with the same demands as before. In 2010 he literally went from looking like a either top or 2nd tier receiver to being someone lucky to make the field.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Feb 14, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think he has to know that he's not playing on his terms.
He tried to do that last year (3 year deal vs a 1 year deal), and that didn’t fly. He knows that before the phone ever rings.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
offer him 1 year, low money
and have him run a deep go route on every play, regardless of whether it’s a run or pass. If he’s OK with that, then sign him. Otherwise, enjoy your retirement, Randy.
Should be incentive laden
1 MM + 200k per TD + 2k per yard.
It's not whether you win or lose.
It's whether you win.
-Trump 'The Game'
I concur with this.
Bring him to camp with a cheap contract laden with incentives. Kick the tires. If he’s not the best option, cut him. No risk really.
The football upside is probably not enormous – I would be ecstatic over a 300yd, 5 TD contribution.
But the real ‘upside’ to that sort of contribution would be sticking it to certain members of the rabid dog media out there.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Tom Condon
sounds like a total idiot, jerk, and hater. I hope we somehow find a way to make him humiliate himself again.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Feb 14, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions
The Patriots haven't dealt with his players since Ben Watson held out.
His name is an anagram for Ton Condom – that’s because he’s a big dick.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 14, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He's incredible
But is going to command a ton of money—way more than the Patriots would ever drop on a single player, let alone a wide receiver. I love watching the guy, but I’ll wager he’ll get rewarded with the largest contract of the WR free agency bunch.
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i would absolutely be thrilled if we got him
if he is not franchised he would be worth every penny. dont mind paying him so long as we dont give up picks for him
Pats have had contract talks with BJGE
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/14/patriots-have-had-talks-with-green-ellis/
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I don't think BJGE gets much interest outside NE
as a featured back. They should be able to retain him on the cheap. If not, they have 3 dynamic backs to work with.
It's not whether you win or lose.
It's whether you win.
-Trump 'The Game'
they'll prb draft a RB late
just to screw around- although picking Brady just to screw around did work
Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about being AFC Champs?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"
by freeland1787 on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
If we get moss on a veteran minimum deal, 1 yr, no guarantees
I’ll take it.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Patriots: We are prepared to offer you $2.13 for year
Moss: That seems kinda low
Patriots: OK, we will throw in a years supply of Gatorade and up the offer to $2.17
Moss: Where do I sign
i'll take this
Moss: I love you guys.
Patriots: We do too. Umm….but give us some time okay? We, uh, need to check out some options.
Moss: Whatever.
Patriots: Hey Moss? How about coming in for training camp?
Moss: No guarantees?
Patriots: ehh…no…we’ll give you 2 million.
Moss: That’s it?
Patriots: And a SB ring.
Moss: WHERE DO I SIGN.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Here's my take (DISCLAIMER: if we can get him dirt-cheap)
Who here thinks that Moss won’t be an upgrade over Slater on that deep ball Brady got picked off on in the AFC championship? Who here doesn’t think that Gronkowski may have caught that Hail Mary in the end zone if Moss was in the other end with four guys bracketing him?
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Slater>Moss
There I said it.
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
For the Lulz
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
I don't know why you thought that we were going to have Slater for the deep ball but
I will have Gronk>Moss on that.
And Moss would not have done a thing with us last year because he currently does not fit our 2 TE, horizontal style offense. I know you have flashes of 07, but 2010 is proof that Moss just didn’t have it anymore. he was getting single covered, and dropping passes. For vet minimum, I will like to sign him, but I don’t want him to start, unless he proves to me otherwise.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He didn't have it with the Vikes and Ttians
but his production was decent in his 4 games with us.
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
He didn't get any touches in his last game with the Pats.
and wasn’t too happy about it at halftime.
Keep the faith!
^This
And his production was inconsistent. He caught a ball, then dropped two. Caught two, dropped one. He was becoming unreliable, and Brady was throwing to him like he was 07 moss. If I had to chose who I would rather trade, it would be 2010 Moss of course. And our offense became better without him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
The deal is going to be attitude, I think, more than talent.
Yeah, he’s getting older, but he also wasn’t fighting for the ball like he once would and that is attitude.
Could Moss with his head screwed on straight still help us? Yeah, he probably could. Does he have his head screwed on straight? Don’t know. Are they willing to risk it? Probably not.
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Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 15, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
He also was dropping the football in 2010 too.
And Brady decided to not throw against him for the majority of the Miami game. I think he only threw to him twice, with one completion.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
For the vet minimum I would sign him
but I would not start him unless he proves to me otherwise.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But I'm not sure if the team wants to deal with the fallout from that strategy
For a team that tries to “ignore the noise”, anything to do with Randy Moss is a media magnet. When he doesn’t talk, they analyze his body language from afar and speculate. It’s even worse when he does talk.
Who knows how he’d react to not starting? And is it worth the trouble to find out?
Keep the faith!
If he starts talking then cut him.
If they feel that he should not start, then cut him in camp. If they feel he would be a great mentor, a la Torry Holt, then keep him, and just not respond to the media. If anything, just say that you didn’t think randy was ready to start yet.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I don't remember him dropping
as many balls as you’re saying. I mean he wasn’t great out there but he certainly did not all of a sudden was Braylon Edwards. 3 TDs in four games when your facing double coverage half the time is not bad production IMO. If you put him in a small role as your 4th option receiving where he’s facing single coverage against a team’s 2nd to 3rd best CB I think he can make a good impact.
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
I'm sure as well.
And he did drop quite a few balls. At least 5. But I’m going off of my memory. I know he dropped quite a few.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Four.
Moss had 4 drops in the 4 games he played for us, 1 in each. That was on 22 targets, 9 receptions, 3 TD.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Link? (Not saying I dont believe you, its just that I have been looking for the drop stat. lol)
so 22 targets and only 9 receptions? Thats kind of alarming. Not saying that its all Randy’s fault (although everyone is quick to blame ocho for every non completion), but some of it could have been wrong with the routes, or just that Brady and Moss just didn’t have that connection anymore.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Some of it maybe that
I doubt it’s Moss running the wrong routes, because he really only runs a couple routes and he’s been in the offense awhile so there wouldn’t be a reason for him to all of a sudden forget his 3 routes. I mean Brady definitely forced the ball to Moss on a couple occasion still his receptions should have been higher, but again he was almost always facing the team’s best cover guy who was always backed up by a safety over the top, and which left a lot of other guys on the team wide open for Brady to throw to so I wouldn’t be TOO alarmed at his lack of catches
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
Yeah.
I’ll definitely bring him in at vet minimum, but for me, he has to prove that he can start. But I think its best that we move on, and spend that money elsewhere…. =/
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I got that from profootballfocus.com
in their advanced stats section. You have to have an account (it’s cheap).
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Okey doke. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
What message does it send to the team
If Randy Moss somehow makes it back? We’ll let you go if you decide to become the self-centered irritant everyone warned us about, but if we need you badly enough, we’ll bring you back sometime down the road anyways?
Moss violated Belichick and the Patriots’ “Golden Rule” of putting himself before the team—in a press conference in front of Belichick’s most hated mediots, even. I don’t doubt there’s a lot of mutual respect there on a pure football level, but once “bad Randy” reared its ugly head, it violated all the principles the entire front office has worked years to ingrain in this team.
Can I Scream?
and that's why I don't think the Pats will pull the pin on the grenade again
even for a season. They managed to extricate themselves nicely from the last situation and I don’t think the ending would be as pretty this time around. I’d rather end the relationship on the way that it did, and keep it that way.
Keep the faith!
All we have, though, is idle speculation about the nature of Moss internal relationship with the team.
For all we know, it is the true love-fest that everyone has publicly proclaimed. All you hear publicly from BB, Brady & others is glowing odes of love for Randy. And vice versa. That, of course, could all be smoke. But it might not.
We assume because of the blow-up with O’Brien that that validates media suspicions that he was a ‘cancer’ or whatever. But didn’t Brady have a sideline blow-up with O’Brien THIS year?
I’m not saying that Moss wasn’t a problem in the locker room. But I don’t think any of us really know.
If they bring him in to kick the tires then, whether he makes the team or not, that probably all that speculation was probably vapor. If he was truly the ‘cancer’ that guys like Felger (“I’m a Packer Fan!”) insist he was, then I don’t see why they’d waste time bringing him in.
If they don’t bring him in to kick the tires, we still won’t know. Because that could just mean they don’t want him for football reasons.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
I'm sure he was fantastic in the locker room
But you don’t get to spout off to prominent media outlets about how you’re “not wanted” and in dire need of a new contract. That’s a fast ticket out of here. You just don’t do it.
I, for one, am in Camp Meachem. Terrific underrated receiver that just got buried under New Orleans’ intimidating wideout depth chart: great hands, fast, similar offense, young, can be had for cheap.
Can I Scream?
Here is the thing I just don't get: THAT is 'spouting off'?
What, in any of Randy’s comments there was so bad and awful?
Further, there is no factual support that that was taken negatively by the Patriots. Are the Patriots really so thin-skinned they would get upset by any of the things Moss said there?
I’m not saying it wasn’t. But again, any speculation that it was is just that – speculation.
You assert, “You just don’t do it.” but that’s written in stone … where?
We dealt Branch away over very public contract issues. The acid in many a fan and mediot comment back then was harsh. Everybody loves him now.
Maybe these guys (teams, players) are a little more professional in their relationships than we are giving them credit for.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
I will say that he did go off on Bill O'Brien during the Miami halftime game in week 4 in 2010....
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That was already noted, up above.
And Brady and O’Brien went at it on the sideline THIS year.
What does that really mean? You and I just don’t know.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
We do.
It means that there was some friction going on, and that Moss was getting frustrated. I think O’Brien was telling Brady that it was his fault, and not the WRs. The whole thing was initiated by O’Brien, not Brady.
Reports say there was an outburst by “one player” toward O’Brien, and I’m willing to bet that that player was Moss. Not too mention thats what several reports indicate. So if thats the case, MOSS the one who started it. Spelled diva to me at that point.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
And you shouldn't use the "I don't know" argument.
Because we know what happened at halftime during the dolphins game was not good, and resulted in Moss being traded two weeks later.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No. You are again, speculating.
Unless you were there or have transcripts of what was said you don’t know exactly what each of these incidents were about. Can you provide links with actual transcripts or witness testimony?
You also are speculating that the Moss v O’Brien incident “resulted” in Moss being traded. Can you provide links with testimony from the Patriots that that was their reasoning?
Maybe they were going to trade him anyway because they felt he was no longer good enough? That’s a perfectly reasonable speculation that is supported by his lack of numbers at other teams that year. That’s a very different reason than being traded because of ‘attitude’. Or maybe it was a mix. Or neither. We don’t know. It is all speculation.
Unless you can provide hard evidence otherwise, don’t pretend it is anything but that.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
I was implying that it probably helped with the trading effect.
And if they were going to trade him because they felt he was no longer good enough, then when he went off at O’Brien should be the icing on the cake.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I read in Michael Holley's book "War Room"
that Moss had a great relationship with Josh McDaniels, but that didn’t carry over to Bill O’Brien once McDaniels left.
Keep the faith!
That's awesome. =D
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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