NFL Combine: Saturday Impressions
Saturday's workouts are in the books and here's a look at some prospects for the Patriots:
(Click here for all combine results)
Georgia center Ben Jones ran a little slow in the 40 Yard Dash (which is actually important for most positions), but he was just as fast as top prospect guard David DeCastro. On the other hand, his 3 cone drill was far from spectacular. Jones was above average in the bench press, vertical jump, and the broad jump. He looked very good in his drills, which matches how he is as a player: an above average, but not elite, athlete with extremely sound fundamentals.
Wisconsin center Peter Konz put up 18 on the bench press (extremely low), and is recovering from an injury so he didn't participate in anything else.
Ohio State center Michael Brewster was extremely limited as an athlete (no explosion). He hasn't helped himself, in my opinion.
Wisconsin guard Kevin Zeitler continues to impress as a vicious guard prospect and could be rising due to his versatility. He was athletic and has the grit to be an elite run blocker (something the Patriots expect out of their right guard).
The star was Georgia's Cordy Glenn. Glenn is a projected guard, but showed he has enough athleticism to potentially play tackle (read: Marcus Cannon). Glenn is 345 lbs, but moves extremely well with the weight. If the Patriots paired Glenn with Cannon, there's no way any team could move them.
Lafayette tight end Ladarius Greene was the athletic stud many expected him to be. He was great catching the ball and at 6'5.5, Greene could present a mismatch all over the field.
Oklahoma tight end James Hanna was also impressive in shorts at 6'3, 252 lbs and could be a solid prospect. His tape might not back it up, but he's a potential riser.
Missouri tight end Michael Egnew had, in my opinion, the most impressively athletic day. He dominated the field in the broad and vertical jumps, showing off his explosion. However, his bench press was low (21). Still, he has questions around translating his ability to the field. Could be another Ben Watson sort of question mark- flashes of talent, but concerns about putting everything together.
Stanford tight end Coby Fleener and Georgia tight end Orson Charles didn't participate, while Clemson tight end Dwayne Allen hurt his stock (in my opinion) with an abysmal 4.89 40 time and low numbers across the board. These are the big three tight ends.
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There are plenty of shorter (5'9-5'10) receivers in the draft. Arkansas' Joe Adams (179 lbs), Oklahoma's Ryan Broyles (192), Florida International's T.Y. Hilton (183), Toledo's Eric Page (186), Arkansas' Jairus Wright (182), and Baylor's Kendall Wright (188). All are potential prospects for the Patriots.
There are fewer medium (5'11-6'1) receivers. Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon (207), California's Marvin Jones (199), Ohio State's DeVier Posey (211), Rutger's Mohamed Sanu (211), and Wisconsin's Nick Toon (215).
This is the year, if any, that the Patriots go for a big receiver. There are plenty of top prospects between 6'2-6'4. Arizona's Juron Criner (224), Notre Dame's Michael Floyd (220), Texas A&M's Jeff Fuller (223), Georgia Tech's Stephen Hill (215), South Carolina's Alshon Jeffery (216), North Carolina's Dwight Jones (230), Iowa's Marvin McNutt (216), Appalachian State's Brian Quick (220), LSU's Rueben Randle (210), Arizona State's Gerrell Robinson (227), and Miami's Tommy Streeter (219).
Look for players to separate themselves from the rest and expect the Patriots to draw from the 2nd tier of players.
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He is currently not under contract, but I hope he gets an extension offer from the Pats
He’s really a hybrid like Hernadez . . . big and freakishly fast.
It shows him as Practice Squad / Injured
So he was on PS at the end of the season, and went IR? That would be nice to invite him/keep him through training camp and see what he’s got. He was the one guy I was looking for the Pats to select if Hernandez was not taken by the Pats, like 3rd/4th round. They are very similar in size and speed. And Dickerson has excellent hands. Youtube highlite shows him making a one handed grab down the sideline.
Sanu actually list at 6'2"
According to WalterFootball’s weigh-in results. Not that it’s a big deal, but in my readings he has mostly been categorized in the large receiver group because of his physicality and huge hands. I think he brings the kind of physical play we’ve come to love out of Gronk!
I think Criner is going to be better than Sanu
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 25, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
criners stats over last two years
Are actually a bit more impressive than sanus. From ypc to tds to total yards.
by AMORALES on Feb 26, 2012 12:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh you mean while Sanu was playing half his time at the Wildcat QB??????
“The results were certainly staggering for a freshman who played parts of two positions for the second half of the season. In the last six games of the season, Sanu totaled 693 yards on 80 touches and scored six times. Overnight, he had gone from a freshman trying to find a position to becoming the focal point of the Rutgers offense.” Brendon Prunty
It’s his versatility that has caught most eyes. He runs the O in the Wildcat, he catches 115 balls, he scores through the air and on the ground, and he even punts. Plus he was recruited to Rutgers as a Safety.
by waldoon on Feb 26, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he played half hist time there?
sorry thats no where near accurate. last year he rarely played wildcat. two n 3 years ago he got tops 70-90 snaps there. n meanwhile his wr numbers were pedestrian until he became a full time wr last year. n last year his stats were not much better than criners or many other late round wrs. besides the fact that college stats are not completely indicative of success or lack there of at the nfl level. n most importantly is what do i care about his versatility… we are looking for another wr, not another wr/safety/cb. i dont want an edelman or a slater, def not one who runs a 4.65 40, n runs sloppy routes. i want a wr plain n simple. so keep ur wildcat stats ill take criner or quick or mcnutt or streeter 50 plus picks later than u all wanna reach for this kid (at 1-27 really? whyyyyy?) and be just as happy.
He doesn't run a 4.6 on game film. 4.5 at the most.
n runs sloppy routes.
Route running: Quick burst off the line of scrimmage perhaps masking a lack of elite straight-line speed. Has enough speed to challenge vertically. Throttles down quickly, sinks his hips and has good burst left and right to generate separation on underneath routes. Used from a variety of positions, lining up inside in the slot, outside and put in motion. Courageous over the middle, often pulling away on drag routes and quick posts.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664646/mohamed-sanu
Doesn’t sound like he is a sloppy route runner.
I don’t think he wants Sanu because he can play the wildcat by the way.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Wright ran a 4.6 40.
I don’t think Wright runs that slow in game film.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
ive watched alot of sanu
A lot, ive watched him live, on tv, on dvr. he is not a first round pick, if he is this draft is nowhere as deep at wr as u make it seem. he does round out routes, including short ones. only difference between his short routes n deep routes is he is great at snatching balls and adjusting to short routes. He does not adjust well to deep routes. call it what you want. if we draft him first round it has more to do with the RU love connection then the kids skills. If you look at my mock you will see im not pushing criner either. i do like quick however. n u can get him much later. but even criner 50 picks later is better than sanu at 27. shoot sanu 30 picks later, which is where he will probably go is better than sanu at 27. sanu at 27 would be the worst possible pick i can imagine us actually making at 27.
Hate to break it to you but most experts project him . . .
late First or early Second. If you think he’s around 30 picks after the 27th pick then you would be in a small minority.
Definitely.
You watch a lot of Sanu. Fine. But Sanu has done more with sucky QB play than most. He CAN make sharp cuts, as I have also watched footage of him. But he doesn’t play in a passing offense. he plays in an option offense. If BB drafts him it will be because he has GREAT hands and very good blocking skills. His route running is fine, and you don’t give him as much credit as you should.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I agree
I think that Bill has moved in the direction of “tough guys” that can take a licking and keep on ticking. Sanu impresses me as a guy that won’t spend alot of time on the sidelines nursing a sore hamstring.
Plus with his physicality
he can beat press and man coverage. He can run underneath routes, as well as routes that desean jackson runs.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
i really do see him being there at 48.
there is no way i see him taken in first round. absolutely no way unless its us which i can see unfortunately. but time will tell guys. tired of arguing it. we will know in a month n change
of course. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
It's not on the short routes he's sloppy
He is exactly what you want when it comes to those, but it’s the deep routes he tends to get lazy on.
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He is fine deep.
He just has horrible QB play that he has to adjust to the ball a lot.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Criner ran a 4.68 BTW same as Sanu
Actually Sanu was a 4.67. Look we all get that you don’t like Sanu. I don’t particular see Sanu as the best value at 27 either but I can see a trade back and picking him up in the top past of Round 2 if he’s there. But the bottom line is he’s definitely off the board before Criner and it’s not because everybody but you doesn’t know what they are talking about. I could argue that Sanu has been playing with rookie QB’s since he’s been at Rutgers and that Criner had a top six rated QB throwing to him. If you don’t want to acknowledge the talent . . . not worth the time.
Yeah Sanu's QB is horrible
Just look at this QB play here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoVGzvhJZe0
Sanu didn’t have a very good QB, and he wasn’t in a passing offense.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Plus we know that Bill has the inside scoop on every Rutgers player
If you have any doubts about that click here:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/518345/stephen-belichick
No I know that. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
watching criner 2010 film, it would seem criner helped make QB top six rated QB. hard for me to compare criner to sanu.
Criner does have a good QB though.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
good WR's make good QB's and vice versa
the only exception is Tom Brady- he makes everyone better than they are and Tom Brady is self made
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
In a league of quarterbacks, the Wildcats have one of the good ones in Nick Foles, a career 65 percent passer. And they have an abundance of receivers led by Juron Criner, a first-team all-league choice who caught 82 balls for 1,233 yards last year.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskyfootball/2015904026_arizona14.html
Foles is a good QB. And compared to the QBs Sanu has, he should be very good.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
i have no problem with taking sanu before criner...
or quick or many others dude. ur missing my point. i just would hate to pick him at 27. itd be a waste. only wr talent worth 27 whjo may possibly be there is floyd, n after today, no way he slides that far. i either want cox or trade back. n if not cox only other picks maybe worth that spot would be jenkins n konz. however konz’s horrible combine may allow us to take him at 48. so jenkins or cox…if not trade back. u can get sanu in second. or many other comparable wrs.
Sanu will likely go into the early 2nd, and Randle will likely go ahead of him.
But Sanu, Criner, and even Hill won’t make it to the pats at 48. I’d take quick with our later 2nd round pick, which is of good value. I agree, Sanu at 27 is sort of a reach. But if we do get Sanu, reach or not, I think he will be a good WR for us. But i would rather have Randle and Criner. Even grab Stephen Hill as a project. In the 2nd, there is a chance we can grab Quick, Adams, Streeter, McNutt, Jones, but none of those guys are at the talent of Randle or Criner. sanu is the in-between guy. I think we should grab Randle at 31. he would be gone after 5 picks into the 2nd round. Criner would be gone by 10 picks into the 2nd round, and we can PROBABLY trade down into there to grab him. As a later 2nd round, I would prefer quick over McNutt and others. After him, Marvin Jones.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Criner will be there 48th
and the Patriots will get him- or at least I hope
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
They could get him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Not sold on Randle
He’s only had the one solid year. There are a bunch of LSU receivers in the NFL but only one I’d catagorize as elite (Bowe). I would want a ton of production from someone taken at 31. I don’t want to look back and say his best year in college he caught 53 balls and that should have been a red flag.
His QB is donkey doo.
And I am not just saying that. When looking up Randle on youtube, and reading his profiles, they have been saying hat his QB is not good, and that he would have flourished greatly if he had someone of competence.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
lol ur right, he makes savage look great.
He didnt just have one crap qb…he had two.
by AMORALES on Feb 27, 2012 12:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Was Dan Gronk a TE too?
if so why don’t we get him for our 3rd TE spot?
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by New Century Silver on Feb 25, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions
We did . . . twice last year I believe
But he’s not his brother
Um... yea he is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Gronkowski
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by New Century Silver on Feb 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Right
but he was injured most of his time in NE so I was reserving judgment. He’s more of a blocking TE anyway, but Rob is definitely the most talented.
Keep the faith!
We don't really need 3 star TEs, though
so I’d still take him.
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by New Century Silver on Feb 26, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dan may be back next year
they released him because they needed someone on the roster badly and Dan Gronkowski (only Rob gets the Gronk label) was wasting a space due to injury
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
David Molk, former Wolverine, looks pretty interesting
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/2/25/2824477/combine-notes-day-one-offensive-line-group-two
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Would be a value in the 4th round.
It is what it is
im glad about konz
Keep dropping…right down to 2-16.
by AMORALES on Feb 25, 2012 11:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i feel better about his teammate Kevin Zeiter at 48
Konz won’t be there- get Kevin and slot him in at RG when Waters retires
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda thought Cannon was the RG of the future.
I don’t see an O Line acquisition that isn’t filling Koppen’s shoes happening in Round Two.
48 sounds good
jets will not take a C at 47.
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by sweetjesusihatethejets on Feb 26, 2012 7:56 AM EST reply actions
Stephen Hill
I really like Stephen Hill. I have been very impressed with him at the combine today. I also think that Hemmingway could be a good late round pick to add some depth at reciever. Excited to see the next group of WR’s
Hah, I was coming here JUSt to post that after he ran a 4.3
Yes, speed in shorts is speed in shorts, but he obviously can outrun guys down the field
Remember ages ago saying he’d be a good choice
last two big name GA tech receivers were Megatron and Demaryius Thomas. First is all pro, second is good enough
by quadruple option on Feb 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Unfortunately his performance today is pushing him out of the late rounds into the first two days.
I was thinking that also haha
There is a lot of speed at WR in this draft
i look for those big SOFT fly paper hands first. speed is nice but useless unless they can catch well.
Mainly I'd just be looking for a blocker
catching is nice incase someone is hurt, but since I doubt he’d be seeing major playing time its not a priority. Speed is a distant 3rd.
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by New Century Silver on Feb 26, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my bad
thought you were talking about TEs.
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by New Century Silver on Feb 26, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
29.3 ypc
Think he may be the deep threat were looking for? Lol…only 28 catches n 800plus yards…n can’t hold the low catch total against him considering their offense. I’ve never seen him play but he looks intriguing to say the least.
by AMORALES on Feb 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nflnation&id=54339
I want Marvin McNutt!
by iso1512 on Feb 26, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would like McNutt.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I've been hoping McNutt slides to us in the 3rd
But I don’t think that’s going to happen with his 40 time.
McNutt will be an early 3rd rounder. =/
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
If not Criner at 48
get a DB and this guy 63rd
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
he can definitely be available in the third. i was hoping much later initially
someone may reach, but he should go at earliest third round. unfortunately we have a late 3rd. but theres a chance. wr position is deep. keep the faith
McNutt definitely comes from a program that Bill knows
Ferentz was not only Bill’s O Line coach in Cleveland, but the father of our most recent TE coach. I’ve always been surprised we haven’t tapped into that program more for talent.
thats what she said
Criner, McNutt are my top 2 guys I absolute want in NE
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Also for Steven Hill
you guys need to not get clouded by the combine. He can be a great track star like DHB for all we know. It may take him 2-3 years to develop into the guy we would probably want (like DHB). he can be a Randy Moss as much as a Chad Jackson. He is raw, but does have potential.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
*Stephen
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
completely agree
but his speed puts his 29.3 ypc in a better context. he is definitely talented. im sure he is very raw as well, with as few opportunities to produce as he has had in his offense. but if there at 3-31 he would represent way beter value than sanu at 1-27 who is quite raw himself. n either way i say we sign a fa, cuz few wrs come ready to plug n play.
Would like to sign a free agent WR.
And Hill will be gone by mid second round.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
fortunately for us he has that time
I don’t think BB would cut a player if he didn’t show promise
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
did show not didn't show
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Of course.
But Hill would take quite a lot of time. And its no guarantee that he’ll develop to who we want.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Brain Quick
I don’t know about anyone else, but I looked at some video of Quick before the combine and like what I saw. After the combine I really would like to see him with the Pats. He is a big WR and has some speed, he is not blazing fast but seems to have good control over his body and has good hands. What do you guys think?
I want the Fighting Irish Last name from Iowa or Juron Criner from AZ first
if they’re not there- then get him in the 4th
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 26, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
2nd
Im wondering if we could get him in the second round. He is listed by the nfl.com combine site as the 5th best WR right now. I know that can change and doesn’t mean he will be drafted early. But I would be happy with a 2nd or 3rd pick.
he will definitely be available in 2nd rnd
I was hoping 3rd…maybe mid 3rd n trade up…also like Jones. Both would be awesome.
by AMORALES on Feb 27, 2012 7:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
where's waldo
why isn’t Jermaine Cunningham name on patriots roster or injury roster.
Cunningham and all the other IR players
were all taken off IR on 2/6. He’s still under contract through 2013. He’ll make $490K in 2012, and $575K in 2013. I haven’t given up on him. Sometimes these hybrid players take awhile to emerge, just look at Jeremy Mincey.

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